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2013-03-14 at 17:49

For safety’s sake

By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
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More needs to be done on the federal and provincial levels to increase safety for pedestrians and cyclists, says the city’s active transportation coordinator.


The World Health Organization recently released a report on global road safety that states Canada is falling behind when it comes to the safety of its cyclists and pedestrians.

While the country promotes active transportation, there are few policies in place to enforce safety, the report says.

The City of Thunder Bay’s active transportation coordinator Adam Krupper says that every major municipality in Canada is implementing policies and plans to improve infrastructure and education for cyclists and motorists, but those municipalities aren’t receiving any support provincially or federally.

“We don’t have policies to enforce it and we don’t have money to help us as municipality to implement safer measures,” he said.

Krupper said last year in Ontario an independent bill was brought forward to create a one-metre shoulder on all highways in the province; that shoulder would greatly increase safety for cyclists riding on those roads.

“That bill was shot down,” he said. “It never passed. That shows on the provincial level there isn’t the political will to improve safety for cyclists.”

Most interactions between motorists and pedestrians and cyclists happen in municipalities so the onus to improve safety is on the city, said Krupper.

However, provincial legislation, like the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, has a profound effect on what a municipality can do.

In Ontario, unless at a pedestrian crossing, motor vehicles always have the right of way and Krupper said that ups the danger factor for pedestrians.

“Motorists aren’t going to yield the right of way because they don’t have to. It’s not their legal responsibility and if a driver does stop … because they’re not supposed to do that, they’re obstructing traffic,” he said.

As a municipality, Thunder Bay is on the right track, added Krupper.

The city is constantly looking at ways to improve sidewalk connections, add more bike lanes and pedestrian crossings like the recently installed crossing on Oliver Road by the Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre.

Krupper said they have urban design guidelines that were approved by council that look at how they can make complete streets.

“Streets that aren’t just designed for cars, but that are designed for cars, cyclists, pedestrians and transit. Let’s make our roads functional for everybody,” he said.

Some work Krupper would like to see done federally or provincially to improve active transportation safety includes adding more information into driver training about how to drive the roads with cyclists and to see more training for cyclists, specifically integrated into school curriculum.

 

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Winger says:
Is that bicycle on the sidewalk? Id like the police to charge him for that offense please. Its the law!
3/14/2013 6:54:59 PM
James Gang says:
good idea. all those bike lanes and this civil servant has to break the law like that? at the very least city hall should reprimand him and suspend him without pay for 2 months.

if you cant abide by your own bs, then its time to go!!!!
3/14/2013 10:30:31 PM
Swirly-Q says:
I suspect Winger was aware that what he wrote was a tongue-in-cheek but since you seem to have taken him seriously, I thought I had better point out that Mr. Krupper is standing next to his bicycle on the sidewalk, most obviously NOT riding it. And it's a photograph, man... lighten up.
3/15/2013 6:12:28 AM
BetterThunderBay says:
It is clear from the photo that he is standing beside his bike. There's nothing illegal about walking your bike on the sidewalk, it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk.
3/15/2013 7:32:32 AM
SomeGuy says:
But he is not riding his bike on the sidewalk, he is standing next do it. I'm sure there is a video on youtube that shows the difference between the two.
3/15/2013 7:50:51 AM
Bigtime says:
*Sigh* Please take notice that he is not RIDING his bicycle, he is standing next to it on the sidewalk posing for a photograph for the article as opposed to standing in the middle of the road for the photo. Thank you for your waste of time comment, I am sorry to hear our educational system has failed you so badly.
3/15/2013 8:55:20 AM
drummerbob says:
Winger: really? when did it become illegal to stand on a sidewalk with a bike?
3/15/2013 8:49:46 AM
Us3rSp0kePersoN says:
This would be an amazing step for the people of Thunder Bay, I just have one concern that bothers me for my own safety when I drive my vehicle, last year i was going down Harbour Expressway, around 2200 hours, and all of a sudden 4 drunken men walked out on the street on a green light, ( Harbour/Carrick street ) which i had to slam on my breaks just to avoid them, wouldnt that put me in a safety concern where someone could rear-end my vehicle? also a bad spot is May Street/Superior Bowling, where people always J-Walk, and some of them are so slow that your scared u need to hit your brakes, and this occurs in summer time nights, (weekends) I think the bigger picture is THUNDER BAY ROADS IN GENERAL, TERRIBLE, We should be expanding the roads for use of all, making crosswalks, and bike lanes, but first things firt expand roads and redo them! not cover them up, some of main roads are bad and need the work, Thunder Bay needs to see this, rebuild roads + add extention for the bike lanes.
3/14/2013 7:22:38 PM
tadzup says:
Pedestrian/Cyclist education on the rules of the road would be a good start. I can't count the number of times ive seen people nearly miss being hit because they cross on the left when there is an advanced green light. I know before I drove, I didn't know what the flashing green light meant.

Also, who was the drunken engineer who thought Victoria avenue was a good idea? Seriously. When will it be fixed? It would be funny if it weren't so dangerous.
3/14/2013 7:24:34 PM
tsb says:
We should demolish everything and just build 10 lane roads all over the place.
3/14/2013 9:29:58 PM
mercy mercy me says:
i walk a lot,for health, exercise , groceries, you name it, my head is on a swivel, although i have the right-of-way in most situations, one would never know it, 3x now i have glanced off a vehicle that had no right to turn and was trying to beat oncoming traffic, i hope if something worse happens and i end up collateral damage, it was not to get into the bingo hall, the movies, a drive thru coffee lane or scariest of all, the beer store....can you imagine the mentality of the person who has those priorities over a pedestrian?
3/14/2013 9:39:22 PM
razor_burn says:
Common sense will keep you safe. Oh wait....nobody has any these days.
3/14/2013 10:09:22 PM
ring of fire dude says:
I have a hard time swallowing the Active Transportation Coordinator position the City has bestowed on this person , my tax dollars hard at work . The City cannot even maintain the shoulders of our roads never mind letting cyclists ride there and whats going to happen when the electric wheelchair community wants in on the cycle lane action ? The main streets are in no way set up for cycle lanes and City council just wants to pass the buck to a coordinator hoping he can perform a miracle trying to make this work through awareness and stupid bike lanes . If you ride on the cycle lanes you are taking your life into your own hands , and also remember , cyclist don't own the roads , the big boys do , we pay for it .
3/14/2013 10:32:59 PM
passlake says:
There are areas of the city that need work, but you're making it sound like every road is pothole infested, crumbing and dangerous.. We all know that's not true and we all know that in our climate roads deteriorate.

electric wheelchairs are treated like a pedestrian under the HTA and can be fined for driving on the roadway.

Also, to suggest that riding in the cycling lanes is a death wish means you're part of the problem. The roadway needs to be shared. If you can't understand this concept you have no right to be on the road. In fact, part of this "hard to swallow" active transport co-ordinator's role is to change attitudes like yours.

Anyone that contributes to our municipal tax base is contributing to the maintenance of our roads. To suggest that only people with a car are paying for the road is just wrong.
3/15/2013 7:22:55 AM
newsreader says:
“and also remember , cyclist don't own the roads , the big boys do , we pay for it .” What the hell kind of comment is that? What are you implying?
3/15/2013 8:38:07 AM
ring of fire dude says:
What I am implying is that the roads system in ThunderBay is not designed to accommodate cyclists safely and never will be . (I am talking about the main arteries, Memorial , Water , Balmoral ,etc) Between riders weaving to avoid potholes , sewer grates and sneaking up to the front of the line at stop lights when vehicles are trying to turn , you may as well say we are driving distracted trying to keep an eye out for you . And as to the Active Transportation Coordinator , I can see you have absolutely no input on road design . The new road work that was done on Algoma Street with the curbs and lock stone jutting out away from the natural curb line is a great way to force cyclists into the traffic flow .
3/15/2013 10:51:51 AM
ranma says:
I just hope cops actually start ticketing bike riders that are running red lights, stop signs, making illegal turns etc. It is the few idiots that ruin it for everyone. Sadly these idiots do it at the peril of losing their lives.

I'm in a car that weighs thousands of pounds, you are on a bike that weighs 10-15. I have air bags, seat belts and crumble zones. You if you were smart, have nothing but a helmet. I think you can wait the extra 30 seconds for that light to turn green. Or is your life so unimportant that you impatience trumps it.

The worst has been the cyclists during the winter. It's bad enough those of us with winter tires are sliding around, why are YOU out there on a bike, usually without winter tires, yes they do make them, thinking you have the right to that lane, and slowing down traffic.
3/15/2013 4:31:07 AM
youngintbay says:
Would be nice if these city plows would actually clear the roads right. Look at the corner or victoria and vickers beside apple autoglass. The snow bank is 4 ft from the curb in the turning lane. And winger and James gang give your head a shake. hes not riding his bike on the sidewalk. He cant get charge.
3/15/2013 7:16:04 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
...with all the DUI's in this city,
these bikelanes, I'm sure are appreciated.
3/15/2013 8:13:46 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
@ Winger: It appears the guy is beside his bike, not riding his bike.

...nice try though.
3/15/2013 8:18:06 AM
olddog says:
Hey Newsreader: that is right the roads are paid for thought gas tax the last time I checked bikes do not use gas.
3/15/2013 10:04:55 AM
Swirly-Q says:
Actually, municipal roads are primarily funded through property taxes, not gas taxes. Nevermind that you are wrong... are we really arguing about who "owns" the roads?!
3/15/2013 11:43:09 AM
newsreader says:
I give up. I’ll just drive my car randomly into cyclists because in my car I own the road… on my bike I’m a sitting duck. No one in their cars should drive defensively… at least when it comes to sharing the road with cyclists. See Swirly-Q comment please...
3/15/2013 12:13:27 PM
jpm1953 says:
It is time for all these idiotic hippy ideas to be a thing of the past.Nobody is going to protect you from yourself
3/15/2013 12:05:32 PM
olddog says:
Hey Swirly-Q: where do you thing the tax on gas goes The City gets their share in the form of transfer payments and our property taxes goes to pay the salary this Active Transportation Coordinator now that is a waste of tax payer money.
3/15/2013 3:16:46 PM
BetterThunderBay says:
Hi olddog,
Swirly-Q is right, the gas tax doesn't normally fund municipal roads, bike lanes, etc. You can see for yourself at .
3/15/2013 4:38:18 PM
hardrawkin says:
For all of you drivers who think that their $30 plate fee even covers the cost of providing or even maintaining the 4 lane streets in Thunder Bay. Beleive me it doesn't!

People like me who own property, work, pay taxes and also ride a bike and drive a car, pay for them.
3/15/2013 9:45:21 PM
olddog says:
It appears both BetterThunderBay and Swirly-Q are wrong "Gas Tax In Ontario @GasTaxInOntario
Canada's Gas Tax Fund is at work in your community, investing over $4.9 billion in municipal infrastructure projects throughout Ontario between 2005 and 2014"
Right out of your recommended web site

Thank You for the info.
3/16/2013 7:20:49 AM
Swirly-Q says:
Yes, and only a fraction of that comes to Thunder Bay and only a portion of that is used on roads (the exact amounts are readily available online). The cost of building and maintaining municipal roads is much greater than the gas tax contribution. Therefore, municpal roads are (and I quote myself) "primarily" funded by property taxes.
3/16/2013 8:30:17 PM
Tim H. says:
I cant seem to find any laws that state its ok to walk a bike on the sidewalk. 24" and over need to be on the road.

Winger might be right.
3/16/2013 9:32:08 AM
pc says:
I'm a driver and I don't mind sharing the road with bicycles, however when I have a choice between hitting the bicycle or a transport truck the bicycle is going to lose. there have been worth in a few occasions when I have come up behind 2 bicycles riding side by side and I have had to go out into the oncoming lane to miss them. You want to share the road fine but remember I can't turn on a dime I can't stop on a dime and you have to remember I'm there. Use common sense and we can get along.
3/17/2013 8:43:52 AM
collie says:
I think more thought should be put into WHERE these bike lanes are being made!!!!! I think form experience that riding a bicycle in the icy winter months should be against the law. I grew up where to ride on the road, you had to know the laws and licence your bike. SHEESH there are so many potholes that bikes are all over the road instead of in the bike lanes. Really lets spend money where it is needed.
3/17/2013 1:41:36 PM
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