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2013-03-15 at NOON

Pressure on poverty

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Anti-poverty activists are calling on the province to bring social assistance back in time to what it was before the days of former premier Mike Harris.

About a dozen people rallied outside of MPP Bill Mauro’s (Lib, Thunder Bay – Atikokan) office Friday. Many carried signs while others huddled in a blankets to stay warm. The protest was organized in an effort to apply pressure on the provincial government as it prepares to table the budget.

Protesters armed themselves with a list of recommendations that mostly involved more investments into children welfare, housing and social assistance. One of the main 10 recommendations asked Ontario to raise social assistance rates by 55 per cent.

Harris had reduced social assistance by that amount in 1995.

Cindee Richardson, executive director for Alpha Court Community Mental Health and Addictions, and her staff were among the group of protesters.

The non-profit group works with about 400 clients in the city looking for a home and assistance with mental health issues or addictions.

Richardson said the work gives them a firsthand look at poverty’s impact.

“It makes us look terrible as a society when we don’t take care of our vulnerable population,” she said.

“If you’re living Ontario Disability Support Program I think you’re getting $9,000 a year. Even with subsidized rent, you’re not eating well … and you’re becoming increasingly unhealthy all the time.

The problem is worse for people struggling with illness or a disability, she added.

“It’s extremely difficult. It’s like a sentence for being ill.”

She argues that the province needs to increase social assistance to where it was before it was reduced.

“We all hate on [Harris] for doing it and we should but no one else has increased it,” she said.
“I hope we can apply some pressure to the politicians to see some changes.”

Terri Carter, chair of Poverty Free Thunder Bay, organized the event to urge both Mauro and fellow Liberal MPP Michael Gravelle (Thunder Bay – Superior North) to include their list of demands into the upcoming budget.

“The last few budgets, these have been cut out or frozen,” Carter said. “People are finding it difficult and we want (the province) to reinvest in people. People are struggling and things cost more.”

Carter said they also want the province to make due on their 2008 promise to reduce child poverty by 25 per cent in five years.

To accomplish that goal, Carter believes Ontario will need to increase the rate of minimum wage and the Ontario Child Benefit program.

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leafsfanatic says:
I don't fully understand how raising the minimum wage helps reduce poverty. Obviously people will make more money, but won't companies raise prices and/or cut staff to compensate for the additional payroll expense?
3/15/2013 1:10:35 PM
udecide says:
I have an idea, how about we remove the large number of healthy individuals that are on social assistance and make them get a job or go somewhere where there is work.....why should they work when they can receive " tax payer " dollars for free... Thunder Bay is a welfare city and a joke and an embarrassment to the province.
3/15/2013 1:47:19 PM
PAgirl says:
6% of all people in Ontario on social assistance live in all of Northern Ontario. I hardly think that Toronto even blinks an eye at what you call such an "embarrassment".

With that said, healthy able-bodied people should only be allowed to collect welfare for a certain length of time before booted off the program, that should be saved for disabled people truly unable to work.
3/15/2013 4:54:46 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Only 12 people showed up for this anti-poverty rally ? I guess there's no poverty issues in ThunderBay with these low numbers .(roll eyes)
3/15/2013 4:20:41 PM
trevor99 says:
It bothers me when people can say whatever they want. Everyone knows that Harris made cuts in these areas, but the province has increased rates. Maybe not enough for some, but they have so why is the public being misled here. The gov't also made many tax credits to help people on fixed incomes.

They have also increased the minimum wage, several times. Yukon and Nunivat are higher, obviously. No other province is higher than Ontario, not even those with NDP governments. People can say it is not high enough but they are not lagging behind the rest of the country and it is for sure higher than what business wanted. I am tired of these protests.

Poverty is important, but trying to achieve your goal this way, just belittles the issue to me and people lose credibility. Driving by I recognized several NDP folks there including my ward councillor who obviously has nothing else to do for his ward. This stinks more of politics than it does the serious issue.
3/15/2013 4:23:46 PM
tbayguy009 says:
"We all hate on [Harris]"

Gosh. And who has been running the show for the last 10 years?

Yeah, blame history and save the current politicians.

After all it IS the other guy's fault.

In all this time the government hasn't been able to 'fix' anything. Apparently.

My smart meter is giving me a headache, thinking about this kind of stuff.
3/15/2013 4:29:29 PM
New Democrat says:
Why don't you stop being dishonest and quote her entirely instead of cutting off the quote:

“We all hate on [Harris] for doing it and we should but no one else has increased it,” she said.

Do you see that? "...but no one else has increased it". That means she's also blaming the people who have been in charge since Harris.

I'm sorry, were you offended that someone made a passing negative reference to your boytoy that you have to throw yourself on the pyre with him? Conservative Sati always makes me smile.
3/15/2013 10:08:24 PM
trevor99 says:
never an opportunity passed to criticize the current government. If you do not acknowledge history, you are likely to repeat it. Harris slashed rates. That is a factual statement for these people. Why does that bother you so much.

As for fixing this issue, it may never be fixed under our current capitalist system. People can decide if that is good or not.

Besides you criticising everything this government does, I am also worn out by the constant complaining of this issue. Many minimum wage jobs also exist because of the value those jobs bring to society and because of the lack of education or training for some who take up those positions. Not always the case, but sometimes.

How much do you pay someone for collecting grocery carts or sweeping a floor. If you want living wages, then a far broader public policy debate needs to take place about how to do that as a society

tbayguy and his friends will never accept less so that others may have more. So how do we solve this
3/15/2013 11:03:41 PM
Escroft says:
I really don't understand why the Government doesn't just do this. Make Welfare a set limit at $750, regardless. Make rules that ensure the taxpayers that this money is going to genuine citizens in Ontario that need this assistance, with drug tests and other screenings to ensure their money isn't being wasted or by fraud. ODSP should be $1500, flat rate ($2000 if you have to support a wife/husband and children). The reasons why it shouldn't be so hard to do this are these: Reason 1 - The money given to those on Assistance and ODSP are immediately funneled back into the economy via Rent, Bill Payments, Food, and a tiny bit extra to small or large businesses. Reason 2 - It will allow parents who are disabled to at LEAST put SOME money away so their children do not end up in the same boat when they reach 18 (education savings). Reason 3 - OHIP is becoming very picky lately, continuously discontinuing supporting drugs that those on Disability actually DO need to live.(more in my next post)
3/15/2013 6:21:43 PM
Escroft says:
Secondly, all these "tax credits" people speak of, all funneled into what is called the Trillium Benefit (or as I call it: Duncan's "Slap The Poor In the Face While I Exit Laughing" cheques), are a complete disgrace. People were supposed to be given a choice whether to take a lump sum payment for their tax returns or take the lump sum in monthly payments [as what is happening now], but this didn't happen. Under the false belief that is supposed to teach the poor "How to save and money manage", all it did was create an entirely new set of problems, for people relying on the lump sum need it for debt payments, bill payments, extra food, or other things. As if you can do anything with 52 dollars per month... That's supposed to teach the poor how to save?! This is the Government that has been at work for the last 10 years. They've done NOTHING for both sides: BOTH the taxpayers and those on assistance. They completely abolished the Startup Benefit in January. (more on my next post)
3/15/2013 6:27:24 PM
Escroft says:
Just because of a few "bad apples" as it were, they are putting every single poor person in the same boat as them. Now, I work, but I do understand their peril. I was in the same boat. I was there. I have found my way, but there are those who just can't. Killing the startup benefits, and with the heavy increases in rent, bills, and food prices, the amount they get are not cutting it. And with OHIP picking and choosing who gets what, that makes the situation that much dire for people who need their medicine to function. For example, I do have a friend who IS part of the system, but he would love nothing more than to work. He wants to, but cannot because he cannot get the medicine he needs NOW to help stablize him in the public workforce environment. You cannot just shove someone with mental disabilities into the workforce. I've dealt with people who have NOT been on their meds. They can get very dangerous. They need support in order TO support. It's very hard without proper assistance.
3/15/2013 6:34:34 PM
tsb says:
The current system offers so little to those who need help, that they quickly lose the ability to stand up and look for work. It's extremely demoralizing and physically draining.

We need a better way to help those without jobs find work.
3/15/2013 7:48:41 PM
hardrawkin says:
Increase the minimum wage to at least 15.00 per hour.
Yes! OK you may have to pay an extra 5C for you Timmies in the morning, but in the end the taxpayer will not be subsidizing businesses who pay minimum wage by having to pick up the slack
3/15/2013 9:36:06 PM
Tim H. says:
raising minimum wage does nothing but cause inflation. It takes from those who actually earn their respectful wage and gives it to those who don't.
3/16/2013 9:05:55 AM
lori says:
People have such easy answers to this issue. Raising minimum wage to $15 will reduce employment. It is not a nice reality, it is just is the reality and I have no problem paying 20 cents more for a Timmies if that's what it takes to raise the rates or 30 cents. But it reduces jobs. Are all of you okay with that. So less people working more collecting welfare.

Ontario already has the highest rate according to a poster so they are not failing on that score.

Everyone wants to eliminate this issue. I am not sure I support drug testing for welfare recepients. I understand why some people support the idea, just worry where that leads to.

The rates have gone up but for some they will never be high enough so where does the gov't land. Increase them face criticism, leave them where they are for the moment, face criticism, lower them face criticism.

It is typical of most decisions by any gov't of any party.

Whatever decision is made, someone is going to complain.
3/16/2013 9:06:11 AM
lori says:
Tim H. you brought out both the conservative and Liberal in me. Conservatively, yes, we need people to pay the taxes to support the programs that people want. no question. I also agree with you that one man's poverty is quite another to a different man. I believe our definition of poverty has increased to include televisions, phones, quality of life things, but not necessities, just like beer and cigs are not necessities. But the Liberal side of me disagrees with your conclusion that everyone is born equal. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are born to rich families or poor, educated parents or non-educated, with physical skills or physical disabilities. Too many people do not have the same chance to succeed. It is those people society has an obligation to. Even if I were to agree, which I don't, that 20% of welfare recepients are cheating the system you cannot punish the 80% because of it. Deal with the 20.
Anyway, still enjoyed your post.
3/16/2013 1:22:50 PM
TIC says:
To this idea of raising welfare I say no way!! People on welfare who want more money need to GET A JOB!! Why do I have to work my minimum wage job so people can sit at home on the internet, watching cable tv and talking to their neighbor on the phone while having coffee? The fact is welfare in this city is so abused its not even funny.

They should institute mandatory drug tests to collect welfare. I wonder how many would be cut off on the first round?

Also, if the person is able bodied they should be limited to 3-6 months. If they can't get their stuff in order in that amount of time then there are other problems or factors involved.

Last, no more cash directly to the people. Instead, food debit cards/stamps and bills paid directly to the utility companies. No more luxuries!!
3/16/2013 6:36:19 PM
adubs says:
Are you for real TIC?
I worked with with persons with disabilities and well below the poverty level for many years. The majority DO NOT want to be in 'the system'. An individual gets approx. $570.00 per month on Ontario Works. Lets work that out - $400-$450 for a rooming house or small appartment(you wouldn't want your dog living in these places), food, phone, utilities, clothes, medications/specail diet needs = NOTHING LEFT. Where are the luxery items here? A person must first go through OW before applying for Ontario Disability Support Program (ODSP). Do you honestly think that people choose to live this way? This is inhumane. Sure there are people who abuse the system and it bugs me as well but where is your compassion for people who just need some help to help themselves? Consider mental health/disability affecting your family. Would you want this for a family member?

P.S.This article was not about minimum wage. Where does it say that minimum wage needs to be increased?
3/18/2013 11:43:21 AM
TIC says:
Yes I am for real. For starters I made no claims or comments about people with disabilities and on ODSP. So don't put words in my mouth. Also, after a person is accepted to ODSP the amount they receive is almost double that of a single person on welfare plus backpay. As for the rest of what you have had to say, I have lived on welfare for a few months when I was younger and you only received $525 as a single person. I have lived in these places you call inhumane. Fact is, I had my hand out and beggars can't be choosers. As for your luxury's add a couple kids to the mix and your welfare check balloons. Phone I understand as a need; however, you want internet, go the library and you definitely dont need cable tv or cell phones. I mean you can't wear it, eat it and it doesn't power your house so luxury!

"Carter believes Ontario will need to increase the rate of minimum wage"

You may wish to actually read the article all the way through next time instead of just reading the comments.
3/18/2013 5:20:30 PM
HailStorm says:
Poverty in this city??No Way... Not if you see all the new vehicles being driven around...oh wait thats DEBT!! which will lead to poverty
3/18/2013 4:08:12 PM
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