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2013-12-12 at 11:39

Road salt no good during current cold snap: City police

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City police have issued a special road advisory in response to the recent cold temperatures.

In a news release issued by the Thunder Bay Police Service Thursday, the force reminds drivers that road salt is not effective at temperatures below -15C. That means city drivers will likely have to deal with slick roadways until at least midday Saturday.l

The recent cold snap has kept city police busy. The force reported 45 crashes Monday, 37 on Tuesday, 25 on Wednesday with another 12 reported before the end of Thursday morning.

Police are also reminding drivers that they must report any collisions to police if the combined damage exceeds $1,000 or there was an injury as a result of the crash.

Police say that drivers being sent to the self reporting center will need to bring the vehicle involved, all related documents and some patience as line-ups are expected until the weather breaks or everyone starts to slow down.

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country_gurl says:
Maybe it's time to start using something else like sugar beet juice. They use it out West also down East and it's been proven in -30 weather. It's also not as harsh on vehicles and roadways like salt is.
12/12/2013 1:01:11 PM
outside looking in says:
Maybe im missing something in this article. Why not use sand and sand the corners. It has worked roads for years in the past. Is there a reason for not using it today? I know some communities use it regularly as well as on the highways.
12/12/2013 5:17:35 PM
Glyder says:
When it is this cold, the sand just sits on top of the ice and doesn't stick to it. It just gets pushed off to the side.

12/13/2013 7:35:43 AM
Nitesky says:
I saw that they use sugar beet juice to good effect on the show Highway Through Hell. Now I am left with some questions.
1 - How is that on windshield? Salt is hard to see through, is beet juice easier?
2 - In a world where people go hungry should we tie up farmland growing something to spread on our roads? Growing fuel seems enough of a waste don't you think?
12/12/2013 6:13:54 PM
Bigtime says:
How about instead of salt, sugar beet juice, etc etc....people simply adjust their driving accordingly? I heard that reduced speed + common sense has lead to less accidents. We live in Canada...this topic comes up every year. I may be mistaken, but I think winter happens around this time of year. You should EXPECT snow, cold, poor road conditions, having to shovel, having to winterize your vehicle, having to watch your step for ice etc. I still cannot figure out what people are not getting about adjusting to winter?!?
12/13/2013 8:03:53 AM
nest27 says:
They use sugar beet juice and rock salt in combination so they are still using salt on the roads. It also leaves a brown stain on everything it touches so not only will there be salt stains everywhere there will also be lovely brown stains to go along with it.
12/14/2013 11:25:54 AM
country_gurl says:
So what if it leaves brown stains everywhere its alot better then people losing lives or being seriously injured on our roads or highways. You clearly haven't lost someone to an auto accident making that kind of comment. Also yes salt is mixed with it but maybe if you read up on it first you will know its alot more environmentally friendly and not as harsh on vehicles and roadways like pure salt. Sugar beet juice washes away easily.
12/16/2013 5:21:59 PM
rootbear says:
This is the comment I wanted to add to one of the unavailable comment stories of an accident. Everyday radial tires become hard as rock and slick as goose poop when it's -25 or colder out. Winter tires have additives in the rubber to make them more "forgivable" to cold. I for one don't have them. I save my money and just slow down.
12/12/2013 1:20:58 PM
Me n My Opinion says:
I've never understood the argument that it's too expensive to buy a second set of tires. It might be marginally more, as winter tires may be a bit more expensive than summer tires, and they may wear a bit faster, but for the most part, they're not that much different. So now that you have winter tires on for half the year, your regular tires will last six years instead of three, or eight years instead of four, or whatever. A tire mile is a tire mile whether it's all done by the same tire, or whether two tires share the work. Two sets will generally last twice as long as a single set.
12/12/2013 2:21:07 PM
johnschmidt says:
So the first half of your comment is really irrelevant then, if you yourself dont own them..
12/13/2013 6:01:50 AM
rootbear says:
I merely educating the people and a set of winters for my vehicle are $1500 from Can Tire.
12/13/2013 1:09:01 PM
Wayne79 says:
Thunder Bay will NEVER learn. Every year we have endless accidents that can easily be avoided by proper driving techniques, but they refuse to learn from their mistakes. Im sure this gentlemans insurance company ware thrilled about having to pay for 3 vehicles. Yes, he is also responsible for the guy who was actually following the law sitting at the lights
12/12/2013 2:17:39 PM
fluffy says:
People need to slow down. I have winter studded tires that work great but I still slow down and watch the other drivers whizzing down the expressway talking on their phones.
12/12/2013 3:21:51 PM
Doug Meyers says:
All good advice, but you are probably preaching to the choir. There are just too many people out there making bad decisions when it comes to driving, be it going to fast, cutting corners, not paying attention, etc. etc. Twice in the past three days I have seen a driver run a full red; i.e. entered the intersection on a red light; but, get this, they were followed by another bonehead!
12/12/2013 3:49:14 PM
rootbear says:
I hear ya Doug...I had front row seat to a near T-bone at Isabella and FW road. The young girl in a SUV just blatantly ran the red. Luckily the other driver was defensive. It could have been ugly, she was moving fast....
12/13/2013 1:12:52 PM
ring of fire dude says:
If salt doesn't work at -15 then why is the City spreading it all over the place ?? It's no wonder the City is way over budget on snow removal/street plowing plus the overtime for someone to drive the salt trucks .
12/12/2013 4:25:34 PM
tsb says:
The city isn't spreading salt "all over the place". There is no salt on Simpson Street. They haven't used salt on any sidewalks at all yet, just dirt for traction. I haven't seen any vehicles with salt stains on them, either. Just dust and snow. I don't drive, yet I've noticed the clear lack of salt on the roads this winter! Since we've had snow, it's been below -15 almost constantly.
12/12/2013 7:51:24 PM
Tannoy says:
When the weather warms up the salt will do its job, until the temperature is right it will still help provide traction. Also Im not sure what tsb is talking about theres salt everywhere, even on simpson street. What do you think the white stuff is? Its not from the ladies of the night...
12/13/2013 9:29:59 AM
victoriosity says:
they have been sanding the roads, there is also salt in the sand, to keep it from freezing into a solid clump of dirt.
12/13/2013 1:28:33 AM
Dan Dan says:
In weather like this, driving the speed limit may not even be wise - never mind all the idiots speeding. Although there is a disproportionate number of pickup trucks in Thunder Bay, these seem to represent a large portion of those who thing they are unaffected by weather.
12/13/2013 11:58:54 AM
unknowncronik says:
winter tires should be mandatory in NWO like in quebec...there is a reason why not all of Ontario gets the advantage of using studded tires.
12/13/2013 1:30:47 PM
mystified says:
It's the guy coming up from behind you that you have to be concerned about. Oh well, some people will never learn until they experience the lesson.
12/14/2013 7:07:34 PM
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