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2013-12-30 at 15:24

Colder than 1982

By Matt Vis,
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It’s official -- this December has been really, really cold.

According to Environment Canada meteorologist Geoff Coulson, the frigid temperatures that hit this area Monday morning are of historic proportions.

“It does look like we are going to potentially be seeing some single day records being broken,” Coulson said. “In fact, this morning we got down to a low of - 35.8C and that did beat the prior record for Dec. 30 set back in 1982.”

This most recent cold snap is expected to plunge the region into nighttime lows below -30C for most of the week. While it isn’t the coldest December on record for Thunder Bay, it certainly has been colder than average.

The average temperature for the first 29 days of the month was - 16.1C, which comes in at more than four degrees colder than the month’s average of - 11.6C.

With a couple of days remaining, this year’s total average may come close to approaching the record low of - 17.9C that was achieved in 1989.

This December has also featured more than its usual amount of precipitation.

The city has had 73.4 centimetres of snow dumped on it to date, with no new snowfalls expected through the end of the week. That’s significantly more than the typical December average of 44.1 centimetres.

Coulson says it is possible for the cold to set more benchmarks throughout the rest of the week, with the New Year bringing forecasted low temperatures of -36 C on Wednesday followed by -35 C on Thursday.

“It does look like the bitterly cold Arctic air mass that is over not only Northwestern Ontario but all of Ontario and the prairies will be with us until at least the end of the week,” Coulson said.

All this has led the Thunder Bay and District Health Unit to issue a special advisory, which cautions residents to take extra precautions, such as keeping skin covered, to avoid frostbite and hypothermia.

Skin can freeze in as little as five minutes when exposed to windchill at -40 C.



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Marak says:
So are we going to go back to "Global Cooling" or just stay with "Climate Change"?
12/30/2013 4:21:46 PM
rootbear says:
*sigh*...this is going to be a loooong winter! Especially if it runs till April again or May...
12/30/2013 4:29:11 PM
Arch Stanton says:
Global Warming or Global Cooling...

Either way it all = GLOBAL TAXING!!!!
12/30/2013 5:24:53 PM
gremlin says:

Thanks for stating what I've been thinking for a very long time. The whole "climate change/global warming thing is a hoax" perpetrated by those (Al Gore, David Suzuki) types with "financial interests" in pushing the AGENDA.
12/30/2013 5:43:32 PM
Neebing1414 says:
then why have we seen many more years of recording breaking high temps than record break lows?? please tell me oh wise one
12/30/2013 8:58:59 PM
Bttnk says:
Or perhaps you are not very informed of the impacts of global warming? Weather like we are seeing is suggested to be an effect of global warming.
12/30/2013 11:33:07 PM
sky high says:
You global warming quacks will say anything to hide the truth. I can just as easily say that the odd hot day we get around here is the result of global cooling! The scientists that got caught in England changing the result of a major study a few years ago (that clearly dictated that global warming is a hoax) is proof enough that some scientists are just after the funding and will say whatever it takes to keep the money rolling in. btw, you ever hear of a volcano? That's where all the CO2 is coming from. Try stopping that, quacks! And heating and cooling is a natural phase...the earth has warmed up and cooled down several times without mans' existence. What do you think killed the dinosaurs?
12/31/2013 7:35:36 AM
fastball says:
C'mon - take a second to get the whole story. Those scientists' remarks were emails between themselves, debating about different procedural models and how best to write up the conclusions. Any "errors" were, at best, minor rounding-up/down errors in their long-term projections - and NOT in the actual science itself. Seizing one debatable "error" amongst 3000 pages of documentation - which 97 percent of the world's leading scientists and climatologists agreed with - and dismissing the whole concept of climate change as a hoax is just plain silly.
As the Romans said "cui bono?"...who profits? The scientists - or the oil industry, who see nothing wrong with the continued consumption of natural resources and would view any other viewpoint as detrimental to their industry and livelihood. I find it hard to swallow that 97 percent of experts out there are in a global, generations-long conspiracy to profit on their findings.
Maybe we're all drinking Kool-aid here - but who's serving it?
1/2/2014 2:20:09 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Neebing +Bttnk . Keep drinking the Gore/Suzuki Kool-aid , but hurry , it's gonna freeze !
12/31/2013 8:59:22 AM
minstrel says:
more accurately called "climate change". it helps the uneducated grasp it a little better.
12/31/2013 10:46:38 AM
donnybrook says:
You should watch the documentary "Chasing Ice", then come back and tell us again how global warming is a hoax.
12/31/2013 11:27:16 AM
sky high says:
Quit getting fooled by quacks like Suzuki and Gore. In the 70s, Suzuki said that an ice age was on the horizon!!! No one denies that the average temps have increased one degree in the last 50 years, but MAN is not the cause. Warming and cooling is a natural process. The planet has done this several times, it is called a cycle. The liars want money in their pockets so they go out fear mongering, and they got you hook line and sinker. Educate yourself instead of grabbing the pompoms and cheering on the quacks
12/31/2013 1:52:32 PM
eyeinthesky75 says:
And out come the climate change denial loons!!! lol
Please educate yourselves!
12/30/2013 6:58:00 PM
keiths31 says:
This is Global (insert noun here) at it's finest! David Susuki was right all along! *rolls eyes*
12/30/2013 6:58:05 PM
tsb says:
If this is proof that the theory of global warming is a lie and we can continue polluting and stop any form of adaptation to our climate, can we take the existence of poverty as proof that the theory of trickle-down economics is a lie too, and respond by raising taxes and nationalizing industry?
12/30/2013 7:04:29 PM
advocate says:
Can you please explain to us what taxes we pay because of Global Warming and what financial interests are being benefited?

I love any time there is a cold day, people throw out the baby with the bath water, but say nothing when it is the reverse. But even if you do not believe in it, it is very obvious that pollution causes bad air and bad drinking water, and that is not healthy for us.
12/30/2013 7:14:19 PM
progress now says:
I hate naysayers.

Our brisk northern weather will surely boost our city's reputation as a major global destination.

Lets place some metal poles in the ice pad at Prince Arthurs Landing for children from around the world to stick their tongues onto - a superior by nature experience - one they can relate to the envious folks back home.

12/30/2013 9:09:53 PM
young&concerned says:
It's been brutal for our fearless leader...on his Walk-about Wednesday's!
12/30/2013 10:03:09 PM
Chaos says:
Who needs parking close by for downtown multiplex?
In five minutes you can get frostbite! Consultant says.......
12/31/2013 3:05:32 AM
gremlin says:
Right on cue people, right on cue. You've been "well trained". You are VERY GOOD SHEEP. David Suzuki & his buddies (Al Gore & the Idiot In Chief) would be very pleased.

Bttnk, you hit-it-on-the-head, IT IS SUGGESTED, & there lies the problem. I can't help but notice that NONE OF YOU HAVE PRESENTED FACTS. I hope you know the difference between "facts" & THEORIES?

Here is a "fact" for you "advocate". The LIEBERAL government of our province instituted the "environmental fee" AKA "tax" on all "electronic devices" bought in the name of "saving the environment". Its really just a TAX ON THE STUPID.

Meanwhile, the "fear mongering" David Suzuki & Al Gore go "globe-trotting" leaving a large ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT all over the world while between the two of them they live in "numerous large houses".

"Bhaaah, bhaaah, bhaaah.
12/31/2013 4:22:02 AM
minstrel says:
apparently you don't know what terms theory or facts means. a theory is a set of facts. i think the word you were looking for in its stead would be hypothesis.
for example, when one takes piano lessons, one spends a lot of time studying (wait for it...) music theory! this does not mean that music may or may not exist, as we all know it does, theory is the set of rules and dynamics that music adheres, not (and never has been) speculation as to whether or not the existence of music is real.
the term theory is often mis-used by people who don't understand science to dispute ideas they know nothing about (ie-evolution).
that being said, there are no credible, peer reviewed studies that do not show evidence of climate change. even if a natural cycle were part of the phenomenon, we are speeding it up to the point we will not have the technology to deal with it in time especially if we continue to speed up the process.
12/31/2013 10:37:32 AM
Thor Odinson says:
^ This. So much this. Thank you for owning the neo-con crank with his head up his woo-hoo.
12/31/2013 1:58:57 PM
advocate says:
So you do not believe that pollutants cause air quality issues that can cause lung issues, and that contaminants can cause water quality issues?
12/31/2013 1:04:19 PM
fastball says:
Hint - typing things in capital letters doesn't increase the credibility of what you're saying.
Since you're asking for facts - can you tell us exactly how Suzuki and Gore are profiting? Have they got the eco-market cornered and are cashing in on their secret percentage of solar panels or LED bulbs? Are you suggesting that world-famous scientists and speakers travel the globe in ox-carts or old Chevy pickups? Suzuki lives in the same house in Vancouver that he's owned since 1975...with a loan from his in-laws.
Quit using Ezra Levant and Sun News as your source of "information".
12/31/2013 7:32:17 PM
gremlin says:

Loon? I wear that "badge" with honour as the "hypocrites" (David Suzuki, Al Gore & insert yourself here) types make "fools of themselves". Please EDUCATE YOURSELF.
12/31/2013 4:42:15 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
Climate change dogs with a bone...scientists have long since changed the name of "global warming" to "climate changes". The globe is still warming and just because it isn't warm on your front door step or in your back yard doesn't mean that it isn't happening. It means that you are experiencing the extremes of a planet in danger. The planet isn't fragile. We are. And the extreme heat and extreme colds we are experiencing are the result our actions. Besides, this is like the winters of the 50s and 60s. We survived then with less technology. We can only hope we can survive this. But if you bury your head in the sand and do nothing, you're likely to freeze your behind.
12/31/2013 4:47:13 AM
Wile E. says:
My question for these global warming theorists is, how can you say there is dramatic climate change when they have been only recording weather since the 1800's. for all we know we know we could be heading for an ice age next century. Wake up people, the special interest groups are fleecing you.
12/31/2013 8:11:17 AM
minstrel says:
perhaps because we are observing the melting of the polar ice caps. does that help with your question?
12/31/2013 10:44:06 AM
Wlbr says:
At Neebing1414

Using Bttnk's logic, we can suggest that global cooling is the cause of high temperatures. This is the same goofy logic we now read, that global warming is causing warm ocean water to sink and cool ocean water to rise, in explaining why the earth has not showed any warming in the last 20 years.

12/31/2013 8:52:55 AM
mystified says:
I don't know why some of you who comment waste your time posting your stupid remarks.
I hope some of you don't expect global warming/climate change to bring you suntanning conditions 365 days of the year.
It's winter! It gets cold! This isn't the first winter where the temps dipped to what we have today.
Get outa the basement and off the computer, go upstairs and see the real world and not the perfect world you envision.
12/31/2013 9:03:22 AM
ring of fire dude says:
If you take away Al Gores carbon tax scam watch how fast Gore and Suzuki clam up . Carbon tax is nothing but a scam perpetuated by the 1%ers to dig into your pockets even deeper than they are now . It's hard to believe people buy into this ponzi scheme with only weather records that date back 100 years and expert opinions from people like Suzuki .
12/31/2013 9:08:40 AM
myopinionmatters says:'s winter in Northwestern Ontario. Yup it's going to snow and yup, it's going to be cold. Bundle up and go for a walk - I think the fresh air would do you all some good. Happy New Year.
12/31/2013 9:40:17 AM
rob20 says:
Can't wait to walk 3 blocks from my parking spot in this weather to events at our new future marina area multiplex... going to be so enjoyable. Not. Idiots.
12/31/2013 9:40:45 AM
kpo says:
Then take public transportation and get dropped off right at the door like every other big city does during major events!
12/31/2013 12:08:22 PM
fastball says:
What a hard life you delicate little types must lead! Five whole minutes in the cold? Those folks in Winnipeg and Edmonton that attend games there in winter - do you think they get underground parking there? No, they find a parking spot someplace close and WALK a few blocks to attend functions.
So, you might as well stick to needlepoint, Suzie.
PS...Honestly, wouldn't your grandparents be just the littlest bit embarrassed with you right about now?
12/31/2013 1:41:22 PM
fastball says:
Ah yes - what's a cold snap during winter without the "global warming experts" coming out in droves?
Firstly - educated people don't use the term "global warming" anymore. Scientists and climatologists haven't used that phrase in over a decade - because it's not accurate. It was a media catchphrase from the 1980's.
The undeniable trend now is towards more extreme weather, at both ends of the spectrum. Summers get warmer, there's more rainfall and storms get more violent. Cold snaps are for the past decade, there haven't been the cold snaps of yesteryear. Frankly, I don't think we plugged in our car more than a few times last year. A blip here and there doesn't indicate a trend. It's just an anomaly.
What's happening outside today is called "weather". What's happened in the past 3 decades and the next three decades is called "climate".
Why don't you "experts" do something for yourselves - like read up on a subject before you show the world how truly ignorant you are?
12/31/2013 10:51:56 AM
Thor Odinson says:
^ Hope for humanity. They aren't all as painfully ignorant and moronic as gremlin.
12/31/2013 2:00:28 PM
donnybrook says:
If you really wanna fool people in to thinking you know what you're talking about you'll show that you understand that climate, climate change and extreme weather all fall under the umbrella of the still commonly used term "Global Warming". Unless of course you're claiming to be better informed than the leading scientific communities who still use the term.
12/31/2013 4:27:47 PM
Glyder says:
You people are idiots.
12/31/2013 1:57:52 PM
Wlbr says:
There have not been many recent years of record high temps. NASA's James Hansen( Al Gore's source for info) admitted to an error that had falsely showed the last 10 hottest years occurred since 1990. Revised NASA data ( Al Gore's source for info in case u missed it the first time) shows 1934 as the hottest year on record, not 1998. Third hottest was 1921 not 2006. 3 of 5 hottest years occurred before 1940. 6 of 10 hottest years occurred prior to 90 % of the green house gas emission growth.
This is why there are skeptics regarding man made warming. Too much massaging of data from the Goricle and the Saint. Also lots of money to be made by these people should be a red flag.
As Fastball says, these daily extremes are just weather. History shows that weather has cycles also.
12/31/2013 5:13:43 PM
monicker2013 says:
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Why can't you folks emulate this guy:

12/31/2013 10:48:27 PM
gremlin says:

Are you really that much of an idiot?
Suzuki & Gore scientists? You've got to be kidding?

Those two are raking in the cash from "speaking engagements" spouting the "environmental gospel koolaid" that sheep like yourself are so eager to drink.


I challenge you to disprove me wrong about those two.
1/1/2014 3:12:36 AM
fastball says:
Let's see - Suzuki has a BA in biology, a PHD in zoology, and has been a professor of genetics for 40 years at UBC. Yeah, I think that qualifies as a "scientist".
As for his house - he bought it in 1975 for 145K with a loan from his inlaws. His home is worth millions now... merely because it's in a nice neighbourhood in Vancouver. Ever heard of home prices in Toronto and Vancouver? Here's the link from an actual NEWS magazine (which is sort of like "doing my homework", instead of you posting baseless innuendo and allegations)

As for Gore - you sound like you'd rather shoot the messenger than listen to the message. Anyone who spends 30 years leading the vanguard on climate change isn't doing it for a quick buck. Yes, he has investments in green industries, but I'd call that putting his money where his mouth is.
If that doesn't "prove you wrong" - at least it lets everyone know who drinks deeply from the denier's Kool-aid.
1/1/2014 10:19:54 AM
mystified says:
gremlin it is obvious you don't like people who make money telling the world how screwed up this planet is because of the carbon footprint us earthlings create.
If you think Suzuki and Gore are just spouting off to make money why don't you tell us all the truth.

Something is happening. There have been major floods in place that have never had a problem in the past. Heat waves that cause droughts. Cold weather in places that haven't seen snow in over 100 years, i.e. Egypt.

Fill us in on what is happening or not happening that is creating these anomalies, Please.
1/1/2014 1:35:28 PM
victoriosity says:
You don't have to be a scientist or listen to the scientists to realize things are changing, just pay attention to your surroundings, it has definitely changed from 30 years ago, you don't have to be a scientist to figure that out.
1/1/2014 8:47:09 AM
gremlin says:
I meant "prove" me wrong.
1/1/2014 1:31:31 PM
Wlbr says:

Your comments prove that Gremlin is right. E.g. "Places that have not seen snow in over 100 years". This tells us it has happened in the past, long before the man made warming religion began. The answer is to your question what causes these anomalies is very simple. We are experiencing natural weather cycles. Our carbon footprint has nothing to do with weather. Remember back in the 70's when these same scientists were telling us smog was going to bring global cooling.
All this flooding, heat waves and cold weather has happened before. Nothing new here. We just have tenacious fear mongering media coverage now and more population moving into bad weather areas, like tornado areas, where people avoided living there before.
Again the United Nation's IPCC and Al Gore's right hand man from NASA, James Hansen have admitted the earth is not warming and have admitted their computer generated future weather models were wrong.
Gremlin up 1-0
1/1/2014 4:06:22 PM
mystified says:
I disagree.
Who said these are natural weather cycles?

I see. It's the guy you choose to believe.

what business/corporation is he invested in that he wants to try and convince a segment of the population that his investment doesn't effect the atmosphere?

As for Gremlin up 1-0. I'm not in a competition. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. It's called freedom of speech.

1/1/2014 10:53:26 PM
gremlin says:
fastball, mystified:

You clearly avoided my challenge. Maybe you need to read it again. I clearly referred to the HYPOCRICY of Suzuki & Gore. You are purposely over-looking their ownership of several (plural) houses between them.

So let me see if I have this right? You have no problem with them owning multiple homes with the associated "carbon footprint" that they are always "preaching about"? It's okay for them "while they tell us how to live"?

As for Suzuki's investments, how convenient to be "preaching & pushing governments" in the use of "green technologies" while invested in the very thing they are promoting. Rather self-serving don't you think?

Baaah, baaah, baaah.
1/1/2014 5:31:13 PM
JakobWellis says:
Gremlin, your arguments are foolish. First and foremost, you are making ad homonim attacks on just two people associated with climate change (albeit the most public). Your arguments would be better served by debating the actual science, and the work of the thousands of scientists around the world who have reached a consensus that, yes indeed the Earth as whole is warming, and that yes indeed the warming is caused by our CO2 emissions. Your challenge against Suzuki is a parroting of Tar-Sands Talking Head Ezra Levant, and is put to rest at the following link:

If you want to continue to be a blind fool, that is up to you, but don't try to pull the wool over other people's eyes. And if your skepticism is fueled by "Who profits?", be sure to ask yourself "who profits" from continuing with the status quo - and think about where the "profits" are greater....
1/2/2014 10:19:23 AM
gremlin says:

BTW, I don't have a problem with people making money, after-all I'm a capitalist through & through. Again, its the HYPOCRISY i.e. "carbon footprint of Suzuki & Gore".

1/1/2014 5:41:38 PM
mystified says:
"BTW, I don't have a problem with people making money, after-all I'm a capitalist through & through."

You are contradicting yourself.

"I clearly referred to the HYPOCRICY of Suzuki & Gore. You are purposely over-looking their ownership of several (plural) houses between them.
As for Suzuki's investments, how convenient to be "preaching & pushing governments" in the use of "green technologies" while invested in the very thing they are promoting. Rather self-serving don't you think?"

It's all part of business. Do you think these two are the only ones who are self-serving in this world. The spin doctors' twist it one way, then the other. The self-serving members of the carbon fuel industry will deny any environmental effects from their product because of their investments and spin off businesses.
It's he said, she said.

1/1/2014 10:36:16 PM
fastball says:
Suzuki owns his Vancouver home and a cottage off the coast of BC.
Gore is rich and owns a few homes - one of which was extensively renovated to make it one of the most energy-efficient homes in the country. The guy is big deal. I don't recall any rule that says you have to be a pauper. And let's face it - he could own a thousand homes with no insulation and still his carbon footprint would be infinitesimal compared to the Chinese and India putting four coal-fired plant into production every single week.
Let's not get ridiculous, OK? That kind of picky, penny-ante stuff is the hallmark of a very small, very petty mind.
1/1/2014 11:15:07 PM
gremlin says:
mystified, JakobWellis:

If you knew me you would know I'm not involved in any business/corporation that has a stake in convincing people of anything "but even if I was" I don't have the platform that the COMMUNISM BROADCASTING COLLECTIVE gives to Saint Suzuki.

Obviously you're not to bright or have difficulty with reading comprehension. My challenge wasn't against Suzuki it was with "fastball & mystified" to prove me wrong about SUZUKI & GORES HYPOCRISY but I see you'd rather avoid that. Have the courage to address it.

As for "putting things to rest" Suzuki & Gore "want to play God" & are in favour of "population control" by government involvement. BTW, speaking of profits, do you honestly believe that "heads of corporations" are intentionally doing things to "profit" when they themselves have to live with the consequences? That's just messed up thinking or you've been drinking too much Kool-Aid while listening to these idiots. "I thought only Obama was that messed up".
1/2/2014 12:42:12 PM
wlbr says:
Australian ABC-TV, last fall,An Audience with David Suzuki. Suzuki is questioned by other scientists on global warming, etc. for about an hour, but the first 3 minutes of the video, when asked about warming data showing the earth has not warmed in the last 17 years is priceless.

1/2/2014 4:58:07 PM
fastball says:
Suzuki states, and probably correctly - that cherry-picking certain bits of data and presenting them without the context of the whole is damaging BOTH sides of the argument.
Too many people have too little information - yet all jump on a bandwagon and loudly criticize the other side for doing exactly the same.
Bottom line...there are lies, there are damned lies, and then there are statistics.
1/3/2014 11:13:01 AM
Wlbr says:
In the video Suzuki states the questioner is cherry picking data when he was not. The questioner was using data from the International Protocol on Climate Change where Suzuki gets his data from. The United Nations IPCC is the organization leading the charge that global warming is man made. That is what was so funny about it. Suzuki was mocking his own people at the IPCC accusing them of being a rogue scientist from an Alabama university when this university is where Suzuki gets his info from regarding global warming.

1/4/2014 12:39:54 PM
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