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2014-01-03 at NOON

Four file to run for council seats

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

There was no great rush to the city clerk’s office to file nomination papers for the upcoming municipal election.

Slightly more than a day after nominations opened, as of noon on Friday just four candidates have filed to run, none of them incumbents.
In McIntyre Ward, former radio newscaster Logan Ollivier was the first to hand in his papers, where he’ll likely face Coun. Trevor Giertuga on Oct. 27. Giertuga is the city’s longest-serving councillor, first elected in 2000.

In Northwood Ward, entrepreneur Shelby Ch’ng, owner of Unveiled Bridal Boutique, is looking to take over the seat held by Coun. Mark Bentz since 2003, while in Red River Ward David Noonan, president of the Thunder Bay-Superior North NDP riding association, will look to unseat Brian McKinnon. McKinnon, who was expected to file his own papers on Friday, was first elected in 2006.

Kimberly Coreau is the lone candidate so far in the at-large race. 

Mayor Keith Hobbs said he plans to file his nomination papers later this month, seeking a second term as the city’s highest elected official.

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New Democrat says:
I know Noonan personally and can tell you that he's exactly what we need on this council. A fresh face with fresh, progressive ideas that will move this city forward. I'd vote for him if I could, but I'll be leaving the city in a few months time. But I wish him and all the others running the best of luck.
1/6/2014 2:11:28 AM
shelby ch'ng says:
@advocate... I will have a FB page and website soon. I have a team of people that I am going to be running my platform through before it is posted.

@fairlane... you are right. I think all people who run will recieve their fair share of criticisms. In all fairness, I can be a bit tongue in cheek. I am really looking forward to this whole process and chatting with everyone.
1/5/2014 10:04:22 PM
fairlane says:
I'm looking forward to it too! Best of luck. I wish you well.

@Boar, her response was fair. The problem is public perception when someone new on the scene ruffles feathers. People will judge without merit. Down the road, if she gets in and proves herself, I'll say "Let them have it"!
1/6/2014 9:07:19 AM
Shelby Ch'ng says:
@farlane... I am not sure how this thread is much different than FB posts. I am up for open and fair discussion on any board and using real names. I take ownership and accountability for everything I say and if that means losing voters so be it. I am not here to wear velvet gloves for anonymous users who are misinformed. On another note, I would really like to encourage more people to run (even in Northwood :). There are a lot of very insightful people who post on these boards and it would be great to see more people put themselves out there. Young, old, male, female it doesn't matter. Even if you are 70 and have never ran before everyone should at least consider it. Even though I am a hair over 30 I have a healthy respect for the elders on council and have chosen my mentors from their ranks. As for an "agenda"....??? I live here. It's like owning a home and having someone else making the decisions. I want to be in the loop and help bring Thunder Bay to the next level.
1/5/2014 12:43:26 AM
advocate says:
Will you be setting up a Facebook page where you can propose the issues you will be fighting for and perspective on what decisions are currently being made that you disagree with?
1/5/2014 11:13:25 AM
fairlane says:
Shelby, KamRiver probably didn't know what he was talking about and was inaccurate with his/her comments. Your response was however, was a bit knee-jerk adversarial and a bit condescending. Not all conversations will be fair either. So often on social media we read people's non-filtered reactions....responses that many would not say face to face.

You're going to receive a lot of tough, personal comments like these before and after the campaign if you're successful. How you tactfully you choose to handle these people will partially define you as a politician.
1/5/2014 2:34:03 PM
Baor says:
Her response was perfectly fair!
One idiot said she had a shop on RRRd and she corrected him/her. This response was equally acceptable as "tough" comments deserve tough responses. Why should she walk on eggshells if she's right. Don't confuse "condescending" with honesty.
More politicians should speak what they feel, right or wrong, "tact" be damned.
I wish politicians apologized less, as they were not elected to sooth hurt feelings.
1/5/2014 7:19:41 PM
Eastender says:
So, Shelby, are you willing to make your position on the events centre clear, or the art gallery on the waterfront? Do you feel that taxpayers should be saddled with these costs? Are you in favour of having it built in the proposed location?
1/7/2014 4:35:58 PM
raymond says:
Thunder Bays worst nightmare - 4 card carrying members of the ndp party possibly on city council. Angus, Foulds , Pugh, and Noonan. Get the blank cheques ready, money is not an issue with this voting bloc.
1/4/2014 5:04:25 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
..."vote based on emotion/opinion rather than fact"....when has any politician EVER spoken the Truth? Certainly never to get elected. Even Jr. Trudeau won't even state what he's all about.
Look at all of Obama's promises. Or, shall we call them what they really are..."Politician's Lies"?
1/4/2014 1:05:03 PM
mutechirp says:
I agree its nice to see some new names, however I hope they understand there is more to the position on council than being popular on Facebook.

If the candidate will be one to vote based on emotion/opinion rather than fact, or if they lack the intelligence to crunch numbers and ensure that they know what they're doing when they vote on a budget or when giving large amounts of money out, then unfortunately I don't care how popular or nice they are, or how much they volunteer.

I have to wonder if some of them are getting involved in council to further their own agenda, or if they truly want to look at the big picture and improve the city even if that means they don't get their way with their cause.
1/4/2014 10:56:41 AM
fairlane says:
Well said mutechirp. There's no question that social media helped Hobbs get in but once you're in you need to prove yourself. New ideas and emotion are great but without any economic background we're wasting out time.

Mutechirp, I'm fearful for the last paragraph. I hope you're wrong.

And Shelby, you need to be a bit less on the defensive when responding to potential voters. Facebook type responses won't cut it here.
1/4/2014 1:51:04 PM
fastball says:
That's why you have to really screen these candidates to determine that they're just not "one-issue" candidates. That way you don't end up with guys like Orville Santa and Mary Roy, who swept into office with their platform of dealing with city financial waste. They spent the next four years scrutinizing corporate credit cards and making sure that you charged 9 dollars for a breakfast or 11 dollars for a lunch, and not the other way around. After that issue, it became apparent that they have no concept of how to run a corporation the size of a city - and we have the lawsuits to prove it.
Screen your candidates and make sure they are well-versed in many issues...not just their pet causes.
1/6/2014 4:01:39 PM
advocate says:
Hobbs will most likely get my vote, because I cannot see anyone better running, nor do I have anyone in mind.

I like Bentz and no longer live in Northwood. The Marina is not a fiasco, but a success, and you can tell by the amount of businesses that have moved into that area and the amount of people who go down there. I do not know much about Shelby, so I will not form an opinion yet. Maybe it is time for Bentz to move to an At Large position.

Ruberto. Well, the guy is definitely not the smartest. But he puts up with some much from everyone. He is the ONE councillor who will debate anyone and listen to everyone. I would not want a council full of Ruberto's, but having one is good. He has fought hard for our votes, so he is in.

Angus. There is no one on council who gets as little value for the money spent as him. He needs to go.

Olliver, I am very open to hear what you say.

McKinnon over Noonan.

and let's boot Rydholm out of there.
1/4/2014 10:33:45 AM
cr4life says:
I hope the people of Current River do NOT re-elect Foulds.

One of the worst ward councillors out there
I tried removing him last election, hope he looses this year
1/4/2014 8:07:26 AM
Shelby Ch'ng says:
Thanks for the support guys! Thunder Bay has a shortage of female and younger representation on city council. I like to think that we are all more than our gender, age, race etc. I would love to see a good mix of people on council with fingers on every pulse of the city.

Kam River you are correct.... I do hate snow! LoL but my shop is on Victoria Ave not Red River Rd. It is obvious that you know nothing about me.
1/4/2014 2:49:37 AM
hotchoc says:
Kamriver, Mr. Bentz has been the point man on the multi million dollar fiasco known as Marina Park. Almost 70 million dollars spent. People seem to put blinders on when discussing the Marina. What was done there could have been done for 20. Cost overruns, ripping out electrical 3 times, designing a park to put up private buildings.

This is the legacy that Mr. Bentz will run on. I hope someone strong runs against him and holds him accountable for the waste at the lake
1/3/2014 11:12:42 PM
fastball says:
Yeah, because it looks SO much worse now. It's nice to see people down there. It's nice to see activity and a clean place to bring the family. And when the hotels/condos get up and running, there will be increased business revenue down there - and local people will be employed, get wages, and contribute to the tax base.
In ANY other modern city - that magnificent waterfront view would be a thriving locus. In any other city, that waterfront would be the Golden Mile - with a scenic drive, perhaps with homes and businesses all clawing to get a chunk of that view.
Instead, we have been happy with abandoned elevators, train tracks, scrub bush and rocks for generations. We've accepted nothing, and wondering why Duluth has a vibrant waterfront economy - yet we niggle like old fishwives over actually spending any money to take our first steps towards that goal.
1/4/2014 11:17:11 AM
Eastender says:
You cannot compare Duluth to Thunder Bay. Duluth has access to an immediate population of approx. 279,000 within a 50 mile radius. Minneapolis-St. Paul is also within a 200 mile radius of Duluth. This area contains the bulk of the population of Minnesota, which is approximately six million people. With divided highways there is a constant flow of people and money in and out of Duluth. If Thunder Bay were located within 200 miles of Toronto, we would then have a more balanced comparison. Comparing Duluth to Thunder Bay is misleading, and ignores the fact that there is a huge difference in the scale of the economy that impacts the flow of money into the Duluth area.
As with most of your comments on tnis site, they lack basic information and serve to appeal only to childish emotions.
1/5/2014 12:30:16 AM
fastball says:
I wasn't directly comparing TBay to Duluth - I was merely making a comparison about 2 communities, both on the lake - who find themselves in entirely different realities, vis-a-vis their waterfronts.
One could use Grand Marais as a smaller-scale comparison - look what they've accomplished with their waterfront. Park land, a thriving business community, restaurants, a marina, a campground.
Face it - the Iron Range is an economically depressed area, compared to what it used to be. They've found other ways, out of pure necessity, to make themselves viable.
As for my "other comments" - I'd challenge you to point out any gross factual errors....but I guess you're entitled to your opinions. And we all know what they say about opinions, right?
1/6/2014 10:10:35 AM
CM Punk says:
Bentz has ignored the fact that his ward needs infrastructure and in the worst way.
Roads, sewers and water mains need to be tops on the list.
These have been ignored far too long as some who live in the area tell me.
He was really concerned over the two bent poles at the water front though.
1/3/2014 9:42:48 PM
musicferret says:
Shelby Ch'ng is EXACTLY what this city needs. She actually cares about something other than the Marina, she is smart, runs a very successful business, and is a hard worker.

Out with the old, in with the new; and NO, new does not mean build every white elephant project you can as quick as you can for as much money as you can.

1/3/2014 8:53:03 PM
sandstorm says:
Hobbs definitely has my vote... same with Ruberto.. I've seen Logan's comments on twitter and facebook..he follows all meetings..seems to know what he's doing.. as much as I like Guertuga.. I think it's time for a change.. Good on all the new folks and hope to see more new names.. for the most part this council needs to go.. I'm sick of living in a city behind the times where ANYTHING and EVERYTHING needs to be debated for months and years.
1/3/2014 8:00:57 PM
Kam River says:
Coun. Mark Bentz has done a very good job for us in Northwood. We do not need another Tax and spend Liberal on Council, I believe Ch’ng was the one complaining about the snow not being removed quick enough in front of her Red River Road Store. Sounds like another me me, teenager.
1/3/2014 7:38:21 PM
tsb says:
Mark Bentz IS a Liberal supporter.

Shelby Ch'ng's business is located on Victoria Avenue, she is a business owner who pays taxes in this city.
1/3/2014 9:15:14 PM
SomeGuy says:
Her store is on Victoria Ave not Red River road, and it was about the snow banks not being removed so people could actually use the sidewalk without having to climb over them or walk to an intersection and if you've actually meet her she is the opposite of a me, me teenager.

She is very intelligent and would be a welcome voice on council.
1/3/2014 9:22:03 PM
Wolfie says:
Sounds like you have the wrong person. Her store is nowhere near Red River.
1/3/2014 10:55:40 PM
CM Punk says:
Olive Garden, your comment is just like the food and service in that particular restaurant, very very poor and sub-standard.
No wonder they plan on opening up one at the county Fair plaza area by the old Beaver Lumber.
1/3/2014 7:13:24 PM
olive garden says:
Mr Hobbs and Mr Ruberto would be nice to re elect , i think they have been doing a good job so far.
1/3/2014 5:07:30 PM
fastball says:
I'm wondering how many of the perennial moaners and complainers here are going to finally put their money where their mouths are and throw their hats into the ring. Judging by your comments here for the past few years, you're OBVIOUSLY far better suited to run this city than the current lot in office, right?
Step right this way, folks. Or would you just rather continue snipe at things from behind the safety and anonymity of a nom-du-guerre and a keyboard?
1/3/2014 4:32:29 PM
tsb says:
Judging by the number of agrees their comments get, they would also get many votes!! Many of them are definitely shoo-ins!
1/3/2014 7:02:31 PM
Enquirer says:
tsb, could that be sarcasm I detect?! Impossible!

It seems to me one of our more...er...notorious members here, gets thousands of likes behind the comfort of his keyboard, yet could barely eke out triple digits on the ballot last election!
1/3/2014 9:28:25 PM
Cletus Van Damme says:
You know, I may just do that.

Here are several reasons to vote CLETUS...

1) I know nothing of politics, so I am not corrupt as of yet.

2) I will force EVERYONE to pay taxes. No more handouts. Zippo, nadda.

3) I will ban unions so that we can stop this takeover by smarter countries.

4) You want welfare - you work for it. There is ALWAYS a job someone can do no matter what.

5) Make smoking illegal. Yeah, sometimes you gotta give the less intelligent a kick in the ass to help them. We can't afford to pay your healthcare costs when you finally bork yourselves.

6) I will take only a middle class income. in fact, all on my staff will be forced to live in the real world.

So comeon folks, vote CLETUS and let's get this ball rolling!

1/5/2014 2:59:51 PM
ou812 says:
If you delete number 3 you have my vote
1/5/2014 10:20:56 PM
fastball says:
Well, you were going good until "I know nothing of politics" - and then you proceeded to demonstrate exactly how much of that fact was true.
But it was good for a smile, though.
1/6/2014 1:39:30 PM
Papercut says:
It would be nice to see some of our First Nations represented, as well as some of the new-comers to Canada......They may open our eyes and minds to some new and different approaches to our issues.
1/3/2014 4:11:01 PM
sky high says:
I hate to sound mean but the ones over 70 need to put themselves out to pasture. Old ideas mean we'll always be a dilapidated little town, and that means we'll die within a century. We need Hobbs, Ruberto, and the younger ones re-elected. Would be nice to have a female in her twenties or thirties in council as well. Maybe two or three of them! Upwardly mobile, re-elect Hobbs and also get some much younger people to support him.
1/3/2014 3:37:03 PM
bttnk says:
I does sound a bit mean, but it is absolutely bang on. For too long council has been filled with seniors that have been trying to address issues the same way for decades. It is time to inject some youth into city council.
1/3/2014 4:37:25 PM
Baor says:
Ageism at its best.
Age has nothing to do with common sense or ability to govern. Orville Santa wasn't over 70 , and look what that got us. Bob Rae and Dalton Mcguinty were in their 40's when elected premier and have legacies of bankruptcy to a once prosperous province. Nelson Mandela was an amazing leader up to the day he died .... Well over 70!
I like Hobbs as a mayor, warts n all....but I wouldn't ask him to leave office just because of a birthday.
It's not age that determine leadership, it's a combination of other factors that your post clearly shows you don't have.
1/3/2014 4:40:25 PM
Sean Patterson says:
It's nice to see some new people intending to run for council. People have been blasting the mayor for not changing anything, but we gave him the same council to work with. If people want things to be different, they need new councillors to implement them. You can't keep blaming the new guy for an inability to persuade all the incumbents to change their minds. Congratulations to all those brave enough to take a stand! :>
1/3/2014 3:21:28 PM
tadzup says:
Nice to see some new names, especially people who are active in and truly care about the community.

I think Hobbs has done a fantastic job and would like to see him re-elected. As for most of the Councillors (particularly Ruberto, Angus, and McKinnon) they need to go.
1/3/2014 2:24:17 PM
Eastender says:
I believe this will be a one issue election. That being the go ahead for the multiplex, and also the proposed Art Gallery. The candidates are going to have to make their stand clear, as to whether they are for or against going forward with plans to build these projects. Refurbishing Victoria avenue, as recently proposed, with tax dollars will be another issue on which the candidates will have to be very clear on.
1/6/2014 11:03:38 AM
Bigtime says:
PAY ATTENTION and read properly. The Victoriaville article was not a proposal, it was just a vision or an idea presented to council for future considerations. It is not on the agenda anytime soon.
1/6/2014 11:45:10 AM
Eastender says:
Vision? Proposal? Potato potah-to. If it costs hard cash out of my pocket, its an issue I want my candidate to be clear on.
1/7/2014 4:24:39 PM
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