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2014-01-07 at 17:21

Global what?

A pedestrian braves the cold walking down Oliver Road on Tuesday afternoon.
Matt Vis,
A pedestrian braves the cold walking down Oliver Road on Tuesday afternoon.
By Matt Vis,

A mild summer, cool fall and now an Arctic blast doesn’t mean climate change has been debunked, nor does it expose a scientific myth.

According to Dr. Adam Cornwell, an assistant professor of Geography at Lakehead University, climate change does not represent a linear shift in weather.

“As the climate becomes warmer what we’ll see is more of the warmer years and fewer of the colder years,” Cornwell said Tuesday afternoon.

“Global warming represents a change in the average expectations. There are still going to be warm years and cold years. If you look at a typical temperature for December in Thunder Bay it’s probably around - 10C and this past month was closer to - 17C and the two prior years were around - 7C so they were warm years.”

The cold weather set records for several consecutive days last week, highlighted by the - 51C windchill value that was recorded on Dec. 31. That was the harshest wind chill ever recorded in Thunder Bay in the month of December.

This has led to some to question the concept of climate change and global warming.

For example, nearly 45 per cent of users responding to a poll on Monday, a day that saw a morningtime low of nearly -35C and a daytime windchill warning of -45C, said they are skeptical about climate change because of the recent cold temperatures. 

The online poll is not scientific.

But among the 45 per cent is Lakehead University student Erin McGlade, who returned to Thunder Bay from Ottawa on Monday evening after her flight had been delayed for several hours.

“It’s hard for me to believe in global warming when it’s freezing cold,” McGlade said. “This is a little crazy. I’ve been here for three years and it’s never been this cold. It’s too much. It’s too cold and snowy; there’s never one day you can go outside and feel like normal winter.”

But Cornwell said while the consistent cold weather is not normal, it is not completely unprecedented or even extremely abnormal.

He compared the patterns from the past few weeks to December 2008.

“There’s a lot of variability in the weather and this happens to be a particularly cold year,” he said.

“That variability may itself change. We may see extremely cold or warm years happening more often. We will see a change in our expectations and more mild winters than cold winters.”

Cornwell added that it has been difficult to provide a concrete reason for the severe weather across North America. He said El Nino and La Nina do not appear to be a factor, with a likely theory involving air usually contained by the polar vortex escaping and affecting areas that are not usually affected.

“The polar vortex usually refers to strong upper atmosphere winds that circle around the poles and have the effect of keeping the cold air in the local region,” he said. “What some people have suggested we have this year is a weakening of the polar vortex over the Arctic which is allowing cold air to escape.”

For those searching for a silver lining amidst the cold who are hoping for a longer and warmer summer, Cornwell said it is rare for weather systems such as the cold snaps to have any bearing on the weather in future seasons.

Things are supposed to improve by the end of the week, with Environment Canada forecasting a high of 0C on Saturday.



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William jogns says:
"Especially the oceans which is what really drives weather on this planet"

Had to bring out my high school science book here to check this out, because I was pretty sure I was taught that along with water, the earth's rotation ( causing jet streams), jet streams and axis tilt, to and away from the sun and sun activity, were also main drivers of weather and creation of climates.
So we have to keep an open mind to the many causes of weather changes.
1/10/2014 8:42:45 AM
fastball says:
Just saying that the top 3 meters of the oceans contain as much heat as the entire planet's atmosphere. The oceans are a gigantic heat/cold storage unit. If the atmosphere's average temperature goes up for years, that heat gets soaked up by the ocean. Then, even if there's a brief period where the atmospheric temperature moderates - that heat is still being stored inside that enormous body of water, moderating the climate for a long, long time.
Warm water creates warm air - and when warm air hits cold air, produces storms with rain and wind. The warmer the air, the greater the temperature disparity, which creates more weather with higher winds and more precipitation.
The oceans' currents are also one of the greatest drivers of weather. Cold water displaces warmer water, creating current...but if there's more warmer water - the cycles get uneven, with more extreme swings.

1/10/2014 11:53:40 AM
gremlin says:

You clearly DON'T WANT TO SEE SUZUKI'S HYPOCRISY. I've given you some examples & you obviously can read (your understanding is a different matter) so it boils down to LAZINESS on your part.

Please don't bother responding "till you've done some research on Suzuki's personal life".
1/9/2014 2:59:33 PM
fastball says:
I'd LOVE to see examples of his alleged hypocrisy, Gremlin. You haven't given me a single example of hypocrisy. You've mentioned his house and his "carbon footprint"...and expanded on nothing. His house is his house - and has been for 40 years. He takes a plane here and there. He supports his cause, tirelessly and patiently. No hypocrisy there.
So, I'll wait here with bated breath until you get your next set of observations and baseless innuendo from Ezra Levant and the rest of Sun/Faux News.
1/10/2014 9:21:59 AM
William jogns says:

A lot of posting issues, mainly posts similar to yours. Hopefully they are not censoring different opinions.
1/9/2014 2:36:35 PM
gremlin says:

The same applies to you & "all your fellow Kool-Aid drinkers". As stated in the prior post I've "submitted numerous posts" that were "never posted" for some unexplained reason. I self-edit all the time but I guess there are "some issues or people" that your just not allowed to question".

I've been trying to point out the TOTAL BIAS of the Kool-Aid drinkers favourite "news programs on the CBC & CTV".

BTW, I get my info from many sources including CBC, CTV, SUN, magazine articles, various internet sites, books. I believe in being an informed person so I am able to discuss the current issues of our time.
1/9/2014 2:04:07 PM
fastball says:
All you're doing is exactly the same as everyone who doesn't like the message they're getting...that is, kill the messenger.
1/9/2014 3:26:19 PM
gremlin says:

Since your such a "worshipper of Suzuki" & a "Kool-Aid drinker" you should know everything there is to know about the man. HIS HYPOCRISY SHOULD BE SELF-EVIDENT TO YOU.

Here's a hint for you - (houses, children, carbon footprint). Better yet, read his own autobiography.

Suzuki's motto is - "do as I say, NOT AS I DO".
1/9/2014 12:21:06 PM
fastball says:
What about his house? As I mentioned before, he's lived in the same house in Vancouver since 1975. What's the big deal about his house?
A his carbon footprint? Are you still nittering because he (gasp!!) takes an airplane to various speaking engagements? Should he ride a horse?
Once again, I'll include a link to Maclean's magazine (an actual NEWS magazine...or are they somehow deeply involved with the Suzuki kool-aid as well?) to provide my answer some actual documentation, instead of what you usually offer - namely, caps-lock hysteria and the deafening sound of your own deluded paranoia.
1/9/2014 1:32:04 PM
gremlin says:

Now that it has been established that my posts are getting to tbnewswatch by way of my post re: "shift change" I'd like to know why over 50% of my posts over the last 4-5 days haven't been posted?

I've been trying to respond to other posts with regard to the "global warming/climate change" articles but have "consistently been shut out". I'm sure my "fans" have been wondering where I was.

With respect to your query, "why the hate towards Suzuki" I "don't hate the man but HATE HIS & GORE'S HYPOCRISY".

My question for you is why do you give any credence to a man that has such "hate for anyone that doesn't conform & see things the way he does"? Need proof? Check into what Saint Suzuki has to say about politicians who "won't conform". Also look into what he has to say about "population control". The man is a LUNATIC.
1/9/2014 12:03:40 AM
fastball says:
What exactly is his "hypocrisy"?
1/9/2014 9:55:30 AM
SomeGuy says:
Ok Ezra you keep on believing that. I know Sun News told you to call him Saint Suzuki but he's a Doctor not a Saint.
1/9/2014 11:47:42 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
It really doesn't matter what the global warming deniers think (even though it's called "climate change" now) because the earth isn't all that fragile. We, as a species however, are and may be driving our oversized gas guzzlers all the way to our own extinction. The the earth will shrug and sigh "Thank goodness that's over."
1/8/2014 9:55:10 PM
outofgas says:
At least a discussion is useful. But if everybody is an idiot because they have a differing opinion........

And what is the truth. Lots of us have an opinion based on something we have read or seen, and made our final decision.

I have an issue with experts, maybe having taken a climatology course or two in university...

Having decades of experience in the "weather" field, I even don't know what to believe.

The TBay storm of 2012 wasn't a storm of the century. It was ordinary one, that slowed and stopped over the city. Had it stopped 20 miles in any other direction, there wouldn't have been a story for the city.
1/8/2014 7:38:52 PM
William jogns says:
@ minstrel
The fact that the IPCC group of scientists last year acknowledged that the earth has not warmed in the last 17 years.
1/8/2014 5:40:55 PM
minstrel says:
in the past year there have been 2258 peer reviewed articles on climate change, only 1 rejected man-made global warming. out of 9136 authors, just one disagreed. that is well over 99% saying it is real. so what makes all of you yahoos think you know more than 99% of scientists?
1/8/2014 3:07:55 PM
S Duncan says:
They all used falsified data from the IPCC. When you use false data, you form false conclusions.

You can repeat your nonsense all you want, but all the climate models which were used in conjunction with the falsified climate info have proven anthropogenic global warming is a farce.

Its not out dated to think global warming is fake, its the current state of knowledge.

You people ranting about global warming have been proven wrong. The Earths average temps have been cooling since 1998. That's the reality. To keep chanting "global warming" today just makes you look like dinosaurs of the 80's and 90's.

I know it sucks to find out something you all believed in wasn't true, but its time to grow up and realize your mistakes because staying in denial is not healthy in any way.

as for hate for Suzuki Havent any of you seen his commercial a couple of years ago crying that Santa had to move his workshop because there was no ice there? No wonder hes hated by realists and scientists
1/8/2014 5:10:42 PM
fastball says:
I prefer to keep an open mind about things - to be receptive to new ideas and theories. A closed mind merely rejects ideas and theories without any real consideration.
Your logic would suggest that if you would find a single gray hair on a teenager's head - you'd insist high and low that you're dealing with an older person.
1/8/2014 9:17:40 PM
Jeannied says:
99% of scientists in the world are scammers and liars, says the guy who can't even spell the word "dummies" correctly lol
Some people are addicted to internet trolling they just can't stay away, even when they get banned.
1/9/2014 8:01:10 PM
sky high says:
No one denies that man has a carbon footprint. However, with or without man the world is going to heat up and cool down, just like it has been doing so since the dawn of time. So man will cease to exixt in a million years instead of 999,999 years, because mans' overall contribution is nothing compared to natural causes. So if you really believe you're doing anything by supporting these quacks, go ahead and give all your money to the David Suzuki foundation. He'll happily take it and give it to his kids.
1/8/2014 5:33:12 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
the world is a living planet that's getting older....things change & happen when one gets older.
1/8/2014 1:58:11 PM
Really???? says:
I think the comments are more entertaining than the story. The planet will do what it is going to do. We can't stop it!
1/8/2014 12:41:46 PM
unionbay880 says:
How come when it's 10 degrees colder than average it is said to be "variability in the weather"? Yet when the summer is 1 degree warmer than average everyone is crying climate change.
1/8/2014 11:07:29 AM
JakobWellis says:
Umm probably because that doesn't actually happen the way you describe.

If a day varies from the average, that is not a big deal, and is varibility in weather (either colder or warmer). However, if the average varies, that is a significant change - (although one degree warmer may not be significant, if other years are 1 degree cooler, etc - again that would be variability.)

The significance of the global average moving one degree is very significant, as contrary to Limbaugh and Levant, the global climate has been relatively stable for the past 10,000 years (with a cooling event in the 19th century, just as the industrial revolution was ramping up).

Such a seemingly small change can have significant impacts. Our agricultural crops have all been developed and planted during that 10,000 year period - there is great concern for how agriculture will fare, especially if the projection of a dry MidWest (Breadbasket) pans out as the climate models predict.
1/8/2014 12:29:09 PM
fairlane says:
At least the bugs aren't bad right now...
1/8/2014 11:05:33 AM
Slyder says:
Weather events to not make up climate. Trends over a long period of time do.

On one side deniers... hur hur, it's cold what a load of crap...

One the other side avdvoates.... look it's hot, cold, raining, wet, blah blah blah... that
s proof!!!

All the while people who know what the heck they are talking about sitting in the middle slapping their forheads, adding one more data ponit to the millions they have already and looking at the trends...

I all the doctors in the world told you smoking casues cancer... I'd listen, casue they know more about it than me.

It's the sdame with human influenced climate change. The vast consensus is that's it's happening. Get your heads out of your behinds, stop the debate, and start working towards real solutions... like energy policy that makes sense
1/8/2014 8:58:22 AM
SMB says:
Yee Haw! Ah'm rite up wit dem Climate Change Dee-nyers! An' let's dee-bunk the led paint mith 2...Ah 8 all kinds of led paint chips wen Ah wuz a kid an' Ah'm jus fine!
1/8/2014 8:34:42 AM
madtrapper says:
Seems lately that -25C is a nice day to get out.
1/8/2014 7:58:41 AM
alarmforce says:
"What a bunch of bunk!!" This is a natural event in the cycle of climate changes that has been ongoing for millions of years.
1/8/2014 1:29:27 AM
William jogns says:
@ New Democrat

Thoughtful and articulate
1/7/2014 11:37:58 PM
unheard says:
I blame fukushima
1/7/2014 11:18:14 PM
Swirly-Q says:
Part of the problem is that whenever the temperatures are above normal, the CBC and others have no problem running with their "Global Warming/Climate Change" stories. Just last winter during a warm stretch there were multiple "news" articles about the poor conditions of the ice roads with "Climate Change" being blamed.

You can't use minor weather fluctuations to prove your point and then criticize others for doing the same to disprove it.
1/7/2014 9:23:23 PM
SomeGuy says:
Climate change is not about how it affects you next week or next month it's how we affect things for our child and our children's children.

If we where a couple hundred years ago the people who thought the earth was flat would be the same people who are today's climate change deniers.
1/7/2014 9:12:56 PM
New Democrat says:
"The Earth has cooled since 98. Yes, the whole average temp."

While we are experiencing a harsher-than-normal winter, other parts of the world are engulfed in massive heat waves and droughts. The world doesn't have uniform weather and climate. Some places are colder, hotter, wetter, drier, lighter, darker, or windier than others. These factors are affected by natural disasters (like volcanoes), solar activity, polar ice coverage, composition of the atmosphere, human activity, and more.

If you are idiotic enough to believe that the human-caused carbon dioxide emissions, release of CFCs, and other environmental catastrophes have no effect on climate, you're an idiot. I don't know where you bought your lab coats from, but I'm willing to bet none of you rubes has a science education.

"Climate change" refers to changes that SHOULDN'T OTHERWISE HAPPEN. Not "Dur, we haz a cold day 2day! Hur hur, sientists r rong! Al Gore is a raipist!". You are absolute morons.
1/7/2014 9:12:14 PM
sky high says:
I don't need a science degree to know that the world will heat up or cool with or without man (to the same degree). Scientists themselves tell us that the world has heated up and cooled down several times, all without the help of man. It may or may not be heating up now (not one person knows what the average temps will be in 10,000 years). Even during our very hot summers and moderate winters, I used to guffaw uncontrollably at idiots like you. Fear mongering. Hey, how much money have you contributed to Suzuki's foundation? Yeah, you know the guy with the largest carbon footprint in the world pretty well. Go ahead New Democrat, send David your money and save us all from death!!!
1/8/2014 8:12:34 AM
SomeGuy says:
Why the hate towards David Suzuki?
1/8/2014 10:28:55 AM
fastball says:
It's undeniable that temperatures are warming up out there...especially the oceans, which is what really drives the weather on this planet. The heat stored in the oceans dwarfs all the detectable heat stored in the atmosphere.
The only questions are - why is it happening so fast, and how much (if any) does mankind's activities on the planet play in the observed rise?
1/8/2014 12:12:56 PM
tsb says:
“It’s hard for me to believe in global warming when it’s freezing cold,” McGlade said. “This is a little crazy. I’ve been here for three years and it’s never been this cold."

Well, if you had been here in 2008/2009 or 2004/2005, you would have.

Also, the polar vortex is over Canada because warmer air from Siberia (which shouldn't exist, but does, because of climate change) has disrupted its normal pattern. This will happen more frequently in the future.
1/7/2014 7:46:42 PM
Swirly-Q says:
Actually, Ms. McGlade is almost right. A quick trip to Environment Canada confirms that this December, with a mean temp of -17.7 deg C was very close to the coldest on record (-17.9). This is compared to -11.7 in 2004 and -15.1 in 2008).
1/7/2014 9:46:37 PM
unknowncronik says:'s like saying CANCER is caused by watching TV.
1/7/2014 7:34:24 PM
fastball says:
On the other hand, there are people who still deny the link between cancer and cigarettes.
To demonstrate their stupidity and stubbornness even more - refuse to quit, despite the reams of data for the past 50 years.
1/8/2014 12:08:09 PM
woofwoof says:
0 on Saturday would be a great break. lets hope it does not rain.
1/7/2014 7:00:58 PM
Common cents says:
Does he mean climate change?

The same one thats been cycling since the beginning of time?
1/7/2014 6:58:17 PM
fastball says:
Oh, God - in 3...2...1 - Cue the seemingly inevitable debate that invariably occurs between non-scientists every time a weather-related story is posted.
In this corner - the paranoiacs, the cynics and the people who think that posting "global warming, har-har" every time there's a cold day is knee-slappingly funny.
In the other corner, the people who pull their hair out trying to explain to the other corner the difference between "weather" and "climate".
And both sides serve up Kool-Aid.
I suppose it all depends on whether you like your Kool-aid flavored with speculation poured by scientists - or flavoured with denial poured by oil company shills and FOX News "experts".
1/7/2014 5:59:08 PM
sky high says:
What none of these scientists or assistant geography professors are going to mention (well maybe they don't even know....) is that the planet has heated up and cooled down (ice age) many times without mans' interference. And long after the next ice age or boiling point, the earth will go through the same cycles over and over and over again. Just like the dinosaurs, man will cease to exist and other species will prevail. Don't let the quacks tell you that man can do this and that to prevent an apocalyptic heat wave, because we can't prevent one. Sure, our air should be cleaner but...don't let quacks siphon your wallets while they lie to you.
1/7/2014 5:52:28 PM
Arch Stanton says:
Notice how the quacks are now all screeching 'Climate Change' and not 'Global Warming' anymore??? (Note: the climate is ALWAYS changing.)

And whatever happened to the 'Ozone Hole' and 'Acid Rain' that were going to kill us all stone-dead a decade or two ago. Perhaps the Govt grants these doomsayers rely on finally ran out...

This new 'Polar Vortex' is a classic. What was so wrong with the 'Arctic Outflow' we've been using for years...? Must be some new grant money somewhere to waste on further studies on that one!

Cynical? Moi?
1/7/2014 5:44:28 PM
richtbay says:
Perhaps you could have asked the doctor to explain why cold weather doesn't dispel the myth cf global warming, but hot weather enforces this craziness. Unfortunately that requires some journalistic work when it's much easier to publish yet another bush-league biased "news" piece.
1/7/2014 5:40:11 PM
S Duncan says:
PS, why couldn't you actually seek and speak with somebody who isn't one of these global warming lunatics so they can make this guy look like the dinosaur warming climate phobe he is?
1/7/2014 5:36:48 PM
S Duncan says:
more lies from another old hippy teacher who used to be an "ecology" student?

The Earth has cooled since 98. Yes, the whole average temp.

These people just cant bear to admit they were fooled into their climate religion and much like a cult, they need serious deprogramming.

they claim when its cold, its global warming, when its hot its global warming. They all based their opinions on data from the IPCC which has been found out to be falsifying data to further their own agendas.

These "scientists" are like children who just found out the truth about Santa.

They are still in denial, while the educated people of the world have moved on and accepted that global warming was a scheme to get dummys to pay for their carbon sins, all so they could feel better about themselves.

What an embarrassment these people are to the modern educated world.
1/7/2014 5:32:44 PM
ou812 says:
Wow. The intelligence of people on this site continue to amaze me. Are you getting your information from videos on youtube R Duncan? Maybe Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory? Typical Thunder Bay-ites. You guys probably think recycling is a bad thing too!
1/7/2014 8:53:50 PM
stunnedjhun says:
there are two categories of human beings,sheeple and non-sheeple
you fall into the sheeple group,there are two categories of sheeple,ignorant and willfully ignorant,you fall into the latter
1/9/2014 8:20:29 AM
ou812 says:
Let me guess Duncan.. you probably drive a full size truck with a lift kit and giant tires, maybe even a "Get R Done" sign on the back.

Sounds like you get your info from the Bush family and other republican/conservative windbags
1/7/2014 9:01:16 PM
fastball says:
Now who's drinking the Kool-aid? Most of the controversy was about two scientists debating (which is what scientists do, btw) about extrapolating the future timeline and standardizing the language of the findings. Eight separate scientific committees studied the data, and each concluded that no fraud or manipulation had occurred. Seizing on a single page of dialogue, taken out of context from the entirety of a 3000 page document, is like focusing on one grain of sand on a beach. The summaries and time-line predictions may have been the subject of internal debate...but the science was deemed to be unimpeachable.
Have you read ANY of the numerous reports from a myriad of organizations on the summarization the IPCC report of Sept/13?
1/7/2014 11:07:37 PM
bttnk says:
@ fastball - Thank you for saving me the time in typing nearly the same response to S Duncan. Well said. But the truth is, there is an S Duncan in nearly every peer group. They are skeptical of everything. They are the ones who flamed the first people to suggest the world is not flat. To suggest that travel to other planets was possible, etc. You'll never convince these people until the proof is sitting on their face, literally.
1/8/2014 8:50:20 AM
Knauffer says:
Yes, except this "S Duncan" is a troll who creates different personalities on the boards to "back up" his weird arguments and entangle people because he craves attention.
1/8/2014 10:48:12 AM
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