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Economic gap

NDP leader Thomas Mulcair talks about the status of poverty in Thunder Bay during a kitchen table discussion Wednesday morning.
Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
NDP leader Thomas Mulcair talks about the status of poverty in Thunder Bay during a kitchen table discussion Wednesday morning.
By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com

Although the Canadian economy has grown by more than 140 per cent in the last 35 years, the average family is making seven per cent less.

"If we don't change that, we will be the first generation in Canadian history to leave less to our children than what we got from our parents," said federal NDP leader Thomas Mulcair.

"I find that completely unacceptable because the debt is not just economic," he added, noting it's also social and environmental.

Mulcair was in Thunder Bay Wednesday for his party's nationwide affordability tour and met with local poverty advocates in the home of Poverty Free Thunder Bay chair Terri-Lynne Carter for a kitchen table discussion.

The NDP leader heard how the need for affordable housing is a priority in Thunder Bay and said it's an issue the federal government should be addressing.

There is no reason to have that many Canadians without a place to live, he said.

"The federal government can play a positive role on everything from transit to housing, on everything from ATM fees to gouging at the gas pumps," said Mulcair.

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There are common sense items that get lost in the bigger picture of the economy; everyday issues that are slowing eroding people's capacity to get by, he said.

The NDP launched a petition last week to eliminate extra fees for paper billing known as pay-to-pay fees.

In less than a week, the petition has about 10,000 signatures.

"Life is becoming increasingly unaffordable for many Canadians because of an accumulation of these things," said Mulcair.

ATM fees was another example he gave, saying it shouldn't cost $3 to $5 to use a bank machine when it costs the bank about 35 cents.

A 50 cent fee would be fair for both the banks and the customer, he noted.

"We think this is simple gouging," Mulcair said.

Raising the issues now is also important in engaging youth to become involved in politics.

In the 2011 federal general election, 65 per cent of youth aged 18 to 25 didn't vote.

"If young people don't vote, we're not going to be able to change things," said Mulcair.

"These are changes that should be made in the interests of young people in Canada."

While travelling the country, Mulcair has been meeting with college, university and high school students to make them realize they have a say in the decision-making process.

"They often feel powerless. They just see a structure in Ottawa they feel disconnected from. They don't see that that's part of their lives. We have to convince them that it is going to determine a large part of their lives," he said.

Mulcair also met with Mayor Keith Hobbs Wednesday morning at the Community Economic Development Commission office.

The two discussed the affordable housing issue the city faces, specifically the decommissioning of the Royal Edward Arms building.

"Mr. Mulcair agreed sometimes you shouldn't have all your housing in one big spot," Hobbs said.

"We talked about how the federal government has to really start looking hard at affordable housing."

Hobbs also said the NDP leader loves the idea of the event centre and the potential economic benefit of bringing an AHL team to Thunder Bay.

"We talked about the Build Canada fund and he would like to see some federal funding come our way for that event centre, which was good news. So we do have a champion in our court for that," said Hobbs.


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gone for good says:
Perhaps I should explain it even more detailed for you.

Where does Mulcair get off on making statements like that?
He is way out on this one. Is there some unwritten rule where parents are obligated to leave their kids anything?
I have seen how the NDP is destroying Manitoba. Since Jack passed this party has taken an epic nosedive. They had a chance then. But not a hope in hell now with Mulcair running the ship over the cliff.
I hear how this generation believes they are entitled to a big inheritance.
The me generation is alive and well.
Don't give me a lecture on adversity either. My industry crashed and I lost a home, family, province and job. But I managed in 7 years to procure two new homes with no mortgage and I'm doing just fine. I have had a first class lesson on adversity.
I also managed to get 27 people pensions (myself included) that the company we worked for denied us. And a 4 year labour market re-entry from WSIB. So hows that for adversity?
I would not wish this on anyone
1/23/2014 8:04:21 PM
gone for good says:
Read the first paragrah Outlaw.
Kinda self explanitory.
1/23/2014 7:22:10 PM
NewAgeOutlaw says:
gone for good, I am not sure what your comment is about but everyone goes through problems, trust me I am no different. It is how we deal with them that makes us who we are when faced with adversity.

I wish you luck in your journey
1/23/2014 4:09:51 PM
gone for good says:
"If we don't change that, we will be the first generation in Canadian history to leave less to our children than what we got from our parents," said federal NDP leader Thomas Mulcair.

Is that how it works?
Because I'm stumped.
My parents stung me for over 70 k on a real-estate deal.
I didn't realize they were supposed to leave me anything.
I would have been happy to just break even.
1/23/2014 1:39:38 PM
fastball says:
Because for the most part, the economy in our parents' day had some expectation of job security. Because wages weren't bad for the times. Because houses were somewhat more affordable. My inlaw's first mortgage was 56 dollars a month..which wasn't totally easy back in the late 50's. But within a decade, his earnings went up to the point that 56 dollars a month was a mere annoyance. My dad bought a new car every 5 years...and that car cost him 4 months take-home pay. A new car now costs me over a year's take-home pay.
Today's young worker (with the exception of the skilled trades) is probably starting out at a series of part-time, minimum wage work with no expectation of job security, no benefits and no pensions. Those jobs don't buy houses or cars or even contribute to the tax base. They're barely subsistence-level jobs. You're not making more than your parents, nor leaving anything for your kids.
1/23/2014 2:25:54 PM
Tachyion says:
This is a problem within your own family and has nothing to do with Mulcair's NDP policies. In your case it is obvious that not all parents have their children's best interest at heart.
1/23/2014 3:14:10 PM
JSharp says:
How about creating some "good" jobs so I can come home....
1/23/2014 11:20:04 AM
DougMyers says:
Every trade is looking for people in Thunder Bay right now. The problem is they cannot find good people who want to work
1/23/2014 1:56:03 PM
Bluejay1 says:
This talk was part of the affordability tour. The NDP want to lower gas prices; stop companies from charging to receive a paper bill in the mail; cap ATM fees; and cap interest rates on credit cards and payday loans.
How are any of those items giving people a handout? These are items help everyone.
1/23/2014 10:51:11 AM
S Duncan says:
Those are all things that can be avoided.

You cant be a victim if youre a volunteer. If you don't like interest rates on payday loans, don't get one. If you don't like interest on your credit card, don't use it and keep a balance.

ATM fees? don't use them. Your bank is open, go there during business hours and keep cash in your pocket.

That's not up to government to do for you. Its up to you. Take some personal responsibility in your life.
1/23/2014 11:40:43 AM
S to the Duncan says:
Some people may not look like they have $$, but are a lot smarter than you may think & have a nice nest egg...
Stop judging by appearances as many whom look like they have a nice home, 2 cars & every toy ever needed are usually those who are in debt most & would loose it all if they missed a week of work!
1/23/2014 10:38:22 AM
S Duncan says:
and that is those peoples choice to make.

nobody forces you into debt. Nobody forces people to take out loans and live beyond their means.
1/23/2014 11:58:00 AM
Duncan S says:
I have more than most of this city
1/23/2014 12:04:59 PM
Duncan S says:
People also have to learn how to save for a rainy day. People who "claim" to be in need of $ always seem to have a fridge full of beer and a newer vehicle in their yard. People need to learn financial responsibility and it needs to start in public school.
1/23/2014 10:01:05 AM
S Duncan says:
Great comment. Love the name.

People need to be financially responsible. We don't need government to be our parents like the NDP want.

That's guaranteed nanny state. We have enough of that.
1/23/2014 10:39:06 AM
Tachyion says:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. The NDP has always been a party of redistribution. Unlimited aid without any onus on the recipient to, at the very least show a real need for such aid, is poor management of tax payer's money. Want's and needs must balance.
1/22/2014 10:22:56 PM
S Duncan says:
Excellent comment.

That's the whole problem with todays lazy NDP generation. They don't want to work to raise themselves up because its too hard. They instead seek to lower down the levels of success so they can all get a trophy.

The sure fire way to win the race to the bottom is to support the NDP. The sad thing is the world has already seen what happens when you seek to make every thing equal. The CCCP was ruled by Bolshevik Communists for a long time. It ended up in complete failure.

Hiding behind the colour orange instead of commie red doesn't change the horrible truth behind their motives.

Penalizing the good hard working members of society by taking their rewards and redistributing them to the poor performing just destroys that very society and takes away the rewards for hard working individuals.

Its too easy these days for the lazy to cry to government to give them everything they need. Hence why Thunder Bay votes NDP. Its a crybaby town.
1/23/2014 9:01:34 AM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
One thing you can bet the conservatives do best is lie,cheat and steal. They have shown us that time and again.
1/22/2014 9:49:18 PM
ibrando says:
Very confusing post Tbaylifer. You just described the currently governing provincial Liberals and previous federal Liberal governments but accidentally typed conservatives. Weird or what?
1/23/2014 10:56:08 AM
Ranma says:
Yes let's talk to the demographic that is least likely to vote in the next election. According to Elections Canada, not even 40% of the 18-25 group showed up to vote. Should he really be pandering to a group that knows the system is broken and does not bother to vote because their voice will not be heard. BTW first past the post has got to go.
1/22/2014 5:33:18 PM
fastball says:
Um...maybe you talk to them and try to see why they feel disenfranchised. Let them voice their concerns and feelings, and give them every opportunity to make them part of the process. Maybe you give them a REASON to vote for you.
Seems kind of a no-brainer to "pander" (other people would call it "paying attention to") a potentially significant voting block that just might help you.
1/23/2014 9:40:25 AM
richy says:
To PC look at what the conservatives gave us lower taxes but I don't see it. Lower wages but I can't live on and paying more for the things I need like food.Mean while I'am told to enjoy what I have but what is it!!!
1/22/2014 4:01:39 PM
S Duncan says:
The Conservatives lowered the GST from 7% to 5%.

The only way youre not seeing any tax reduction is if you're not buying any single thing.

If you haven't seen much reduction, its because the provincial liberals HST began taxing you on things that were previously exempt.

Every time you buy gas youre now paying tax on tax. Everytime youre at the pump you need to thank the Ontario liberals for the extra cost.

Never hear Mikey and Billy talking about that, do you?
1/23/2014 8:47:17 AM
JakobWellis says:
The problem with your comment is that you are wrong. The Harper Convservatives pushed and gave incentives to the provinces to adopt the HST - if it were an "Ontario Liberal" thing as you claim, it would not be in every province but BC (who had a referendum due to public backlash and dropped the HST). While the Ontario Liberals agreed to it, the HST was the baby of the Harpies. So next time you are paying HST, I hope you thank Jimmy Flaherty for the extra cost, he's sure thanking you for paying it.

Go here for a history of HST, and realize that not everything the Harpies have done deserves a gold star as you seem to think.

1/23/2014 12:19:05 PM
S Duncan says:
Ahh the classic Liberal "blame Harper" excuse.

Your version of reality is shot down within your own statement.

The reason its not in BC is the province (provincial government) didnt sit there and embrace it. They took ownership of their provincial responsibility unlike your Ontario Liberal government who jumped at any opportunity to tax its citizens more.

The Federal govt reduced gst and gave us plenty of tax breaks that has the federal deficit coming down to nothing before it was even forecast to. Your Federal Majority Conservative Government has done its job and is living up to every one of their campaign promises.

Where have your provincial liberals taken us? From have to have not.

And in typical Liberal fashion (like your very comment) they continue to blame someone or something else. They will go to great lengths to place blame others for their own incompetence.

Remember when Cretien's whole election campaign was about killing the GST? I do. He lied as usual.
1/23/2014 1:30:17 PM
Tachyion says:
I do remember Cretien's lie......he was confronted by a women in the audience at a town hall meeting concerning those very statements....she said " Mr Prime Minister, you clearly stated on many occasions that you would get rid of the GST, if elected",( which the lier actually stated on Radio and Television ) Cretien's response " No, I did not say dat....what radio, what television." Da little guy from Shawinagate just lied to everyone in the hall, and no one batted an eyelash.
1/23/2014 3:27:50 PM
JakobWellis says:
It would help your argument if it was based on facts and not political emotion.

As the article in the link at the bottom of my comment notes (which of course you were likely too busy to read):

"The federal government has continued its attempts to persuade other provinces to join the HST scheme. In his 2007 Budget, for example, federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty offered an incentive to provinces to harmonize their sales taxes with the federal GST by offering to protect them from revenue losses during the transition to the new tax. This initiative was part of a broader federal plan to reduce overall marginal effective corporate income tax rates to the lowest in the G-7 group of industrial countries by 2012."

Before you claim bias in the source of this, please consult the "About" section in the above link.

So, as I said, yes the Liberal government agreed to it, but it was the brain-child of the Harper Government. I think we can agree that they both suck on this point.
1/23/2014 4:09:07 PM
pc says:
He has talked to university students and young people to find out what they want.
Why not talk to the older working class people. We are the ones who will be paying for all of his wants list.
Which means higher taxes and less companies staying or starting in Canada.
I seem to remember a candidate talking about wanting a hockey team to move to TB. He was ridiculed and laughed at. Now Hobbs thinks it is a great idea. But paying for the center to be built to house the team will simply raise taxes for long term as we will have to pay for the upkeep of the building.
Bring in jobs and get the ring of fire going, build roads to the distant communities and maybe the young people will be able to get an education and jobs after.
Stop with the pie in the sky attitude and do the basics first.
Keep in mind that Ont. had an NDP government and look where that got us.
1/22/2014 2:23:32 PM
fastball says:
And voters who are 18-30 years of age aren't as important because they're not "older working-class people"? Seems to me that they're are the ones who will soon be entering the new work world, and be paying for everything during their working lives as well.
1/23/2014 8:50:37 AM
NewAgeOutlaw says:
Dont worry Mr Mulcair, I have alot of $$. I appreciate your concern. Thank you
1/22/2014 2:16:01 PM
Eastender says:
He is absolutely right about the banks, oil companies, gasoline companies gouging us.

Its not exactly about redistributing the wealth, but about leveling the playing field, and taking away some of the unfair advantages that banks and large corporations have managed to aquire through their highly paid lobbyists.

We need to create opportunity for those who wish to better their lives. Thats not exactly charity. It is a judiscious and wise use of tax dollars, unlike the wasteful squandering of money on ORNG, cancelled power plants, wind farms, and, well you know the story. Federal or provincial, taxes are taxes
1/23/2014 9:54:13 AM
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