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2014-01-23 at 14:54

“He’s not reliable’

Green MP Bruce Hyer responded to comments made by NDP leader Thomas Mulcair while the politician was in Thunder Bay this week.
Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
Green MP Bruce Hyer responded to comments made by NDP leader Thomas Mulcair while the politician was in Thunder Bay this week.
By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com

Thomas Mulcair said he didn't appoint Bruce Hyer to a shadow cabinet post because he thought the area MP was unreliable.

Hyer agrees.

"He could not rely on me to park my brain at the door of the House of Commons. He could not rely on me to allow myself to be whipped by the party whip and the party leader and backroom party hacks," said Hyer on Thursday.

"If that's what he meant by unreliable, yes, I was not a mindless automaton for the party. I was not a customer sales rep for the party in Thunder Bay-Superior North," he added.

On Wednesday NDP leader Thomas Mulcair was in Thunder Bay on his cross-country affordability tour.

He told media that Hyer leaving the NDP in 2012 to sit as an Independent MP was not about the gun-registry vote, but that Hyer expressed frustration over not being given a shadow cabinet post.

"Frankly, I didn't find him very reliable and he's proven me right since then - he's not reliable," said Mulcair.

Hyer, who joined the Green Party in December, said despite leaving the NDP, he still represents the constituents of his riding no matter who they voted for.

Mulcair also said the NDP will reclaim Thunder Bay-Superior North in the 2015 federal election and many people who voted for the party are upset that Hyer crossed the floor.

"People voted for the NDP because they like our policies, they want us to be able to put those policies into force," he said.

"I guarantee we'll be taking that riding back."

But Hyer said that decision is in the voters' hands.

"I think Mr. Mulcair forgets that Thunder Bay-Superior North is not his riding or the NDP's riding. It's not my riding either. This belongs to the voters and constituents," he said.



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barry medawin says:
all this talk about gun registry and yes it had to go. this went against my right to hunt. i dont need them to spy!
1/26/2014 11:31:20 AM
Curious says:
The honest politician always gets put down by the dishonest ones. I wouldn't trust the lawyer - Mulcair as far as I can throw him!
1/26/2014 9:38:59 AM
moi says:
Obviously Bruce forgot the old saying..

"Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool,than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
No Bruce--you didn't just park your brain" at the door of the House of Commons", you parked your brain long,long ago. Just keep smiling Bruce..that pension will be yours soon.
1/26/2014 9:31:46 AM
NorthernGuy says:
@YellowSnow13 - The Liberals haven't been in power for over 8 years now. You have federal and provincial politics mixed up. Bruce Hyer is a federal politician. This thread is about Federal politics. The Conservatives are in power.

Honestly, Bruce was never the right representative for this riding anyway. He has publicly fought to reduce the amount wood access to companies in this region. He's always been a hardlined enviro He's someone that doesn't understand just how important resource extraction is to the economy of this region.

Hyer is someone who should have ran under the Green flag from the get-go. He's never had NDP or Liberal values. He's always been an environmentalist.
1/25/2014 12:39:57 PM
NorthernGuy says:
The Firearms Act is intended to keep guns out of the hands of those deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. To meet these objectives, the Criminal Code of Canada governs the licensing of restricted and prohibited guns.

Restricted guns, including some handguns and assault rifles, can be bought and sold in Canada with the appropriate Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL). Prohibited guns, including some automatic and higher-calibre handguns and rifles as well as those that are easily concealed, however, can only be owned by those in possession of a grandfathered licence, issued to gun owners in possession of a prohibited gun prior to changes in the Firearms Act in 1998.

If the long-gun registry is scrapped, as Bill C-19 proposes, restricted and prohibited guns would still be documented at the point of sale and ownership records would still be listed on the RCMP's Firearms Information System (FIS). The main change would be that records of non-restricted firearms, currently documented on the registry, would be erased from the FIS, meaning law enforcement, and the government, would have no permanent, central, traceable record of the number of non-restricted firearms an individual may own. Canadian gun laws would in effect revert to a time before 1977
1/25/2014 12:30:16 PM
S Duncan says:
Oh Gee. A copy/paste job from the coalition for gun control? Wendy Cukier is well versed in half truths and misinformation.

First off, the first 2 paragraphs are ok but you notice they only talk about licencing, not registering. For the record restricted and prohibs are still registered and have extensive limitations that are as ridiculous as the lgr was. Stay tuned for some changes on that though.

Anyway your last cukier quote is comical. Again having a registry only keeps records on who owns which guns. In order to own guns you have to have a licence. If you have a licence you can own as many guns as you want. How would it stop criminals? If a gun owner wants to become a criminal whether or not there is a gun registry matters not. Also if you dont have a licence and possess a gun, youre already a criminal. A registry does not prevent anything.

next the pre 77 comment references the elimination of the "red book". Stores kept records of purchasers but that prevents nothing.
1/25/2014 3:42:44 PM
S Duncan says:

the red book was a store registry. They kept track (by law) of who purchased non restricted firearms. Of course you had to have an FAC before you could buy one. The red book was a registry of sorts but it has no meaningful information.. why?

because you could sell it 5 minutes after you bought it. It was illegal to purchase a firearm without an FAC so once again, the red book did nothing to stop criminals from getting guns.

The now defunct lgr did nothing to prevent criminals from getting guns. In fact the liberal firearms act turns law abiding people into criminals.

If you own grand dads old enfield heirloom and you dont have a licence you are a criminal. You are subject to a mandatory 5 yr minimum sentence and will be paraded around in front of the media and the police will issue a presser claiming how good they are at getting illegal guns "off the street".

imagine if your driv lic expired and the cops raid you, seize car, arrest & imprison you.
1/25/2014 3:54:59 PM
supersavage says:
Good stuff Bruce. I will be voting for the Green party next year. I do like the NDP policies but not when they classify Thunder Bay as 'just another riding'. We have hard working people in this riding while you Mr. Mulcair take home a salary most people in Thunder Bay only dream of. Bruce works for these people, you Mr Mulcair work for big union bosses that provide an illusion to 'labour being in control'. Screwed me once in 2011, you won't do it again!
1/24/2014 6:10:11 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
If you think you are voting for the person in your area you are totally wrong. You are voting for the leader, period. Since these leaders seem to want to dictate how things are going to be done and you as an MP are suppose to tow the party line, it really doesn't matter. You really need to understand the party policy and vote for that party. Because voting for a good guy that tows the party line does NOTHING for this area. So in the end, vote PC and get the Liberal money wasters out of there. Don't you think they have done enough damage?
1/24/2014 2:42:13 PM
my 2 cents says:
I was an NDP supporter for a long time - not the party itself, but because when I looked into the candidates the NDP usually best represented my beliefs and values. I have also voted outside the party on occassion.

I no longer know what NDP stands for and do not know if I can support them anymore. They continue to offend me and I do not think they represent me anymore. I find the statement by Mr. Mulcair to be highly arrogant and speaks volumes to warn people of voting the party line. Don't vote ignorant and out of habit, please get some education before putting the X on the paper.

Perhaps the D needs to be changed from the party name. Pretty sure that democracy means that you are allowed an opposing position, and although the majority rules, you still are able to disagree. When our representatives were sanctioned for this, my opinion became that NDP stands for Not so Democratic Party. I really miss Mr Layton, I think things would have been different.

Good luck Bruce Hyer!
1/24/2014 12:58:42 PM
NorthernGuy says:
The funny thing about this whole situation is that most people in Thunder Bay actually support the Gun Registry.

The registry never stopped hunters from owning guns. It helped stopped criminals from owning guns.
1/24/2014 12:10:07 PM
S Duncan says:
The lgr does not do a single thing to stop criminals from getting guns. You need a licence (pal) to buy a gun. Whether a gun is registered or not has no bearing on if or how a criminal gets their hands on it.

If a criminal does not have a valid licence he/she cannot lawfully posess a firearm.

Adding a special super duper illegal clause and bureaucratic nightmare that only interferes with legal gun owners does nothing to prevent the criminal and their procurment of firearms.

You obviously had no clue about firearms laws if you think the lgr stopped one single crime.

The only people who thought a gun registry was a good idea are ones who have no clue about what it was or did. It was pure emotional garbage law.

The lgr prevented criminals from getting guns the same way the car registry prevents drunk driving. It doesnt because it cant, and thats why its gone.

Sit down and talk with people who really know the laws. You will learn how stupid the laws are.
1/24/2014 4:02:38 PM
Jack Frost says:
The ludicrous, wasteful, and costly Firearms Registry was a Federal Liberal "strong-arm tactics" tool that was over zealously most often used only to harass, bully, intimidate and coerce law abiding firearm(s) owners and hunters and was mostly questionably enforced by Provincial and Municipal governments and did absolutely nothing to better protect the citizenry of Canada.
1/24/2014 4:08:36 PM
Jack Frost says:
I / we should always vote for the man / woman and there principles as I / we did for Bruce and Jack Layton regardless of party affiliation.

Bruce has been a very good voice and an honest fine representative for all the people of NWO and has earned my / our trust and respect.

I have no problem supporting Bruce regardless of what political party he belongs to and I will contine to support him again should he choose to take another "shot" as our MP.

Thank you Bruce for standing up to the pressures of tyranny and bulling of the NDP party and for voting as your constituents wished and doing the right thing to help to kill the very wasteful boondoggle of the ludicrous Liberal Firearms Registry.
1/24/2014 11:03:31 AM
Jasper says:
It is not just Bruce that is a democratic joke. Last year really highlighted what a total waste of time going to the polls has become. Locally the municipal donkeys have been up to their usual tricks. The provincial govt has been a complete disaster and have destroyed this province. And thanks to Harper and his cabinet the Feds have done no better. For the first time since I turned 18 I am not going to bother wasting a second marking an x on any ballot. It really makes no difference who lies to me next.
1/24/2014 10:04:17 AM
Johnny75 says:
All I want are season tickets to Thunder Bays new AHL team!!
1/24/2014 9:45:56 AM
Sandwiches1123 says:
I don't know if the quote by Mulcair used in this article is 100% accurate but if it is then the NDP has lost any support I might have considered giving it.

"People voted for the NDP because they like our policies, they want us to be able to put those policies into force," he said.

This is an Americanized mentality and unfortunately, it is consistent across the parties. In Canada, our electoral system was designed so the voting public elects the best representative for their local constituancy.

We have lost this mentality as voters. Now, many people vote for political party since, as Hyer mentions, MP's are automatons. The actual representative doesn't matter.

I do my best to vote for the candidate that I feel has our riding and not his/her career in mind. Does that mean I'm voting for Hyer? I don't know. If, at the time of the election, I believe he will best represent Thunder Bay North, then yes, I'll vote for him.
1/24/2014 9:42:34 AM
Tannoy says:
I don't know why its acceptable for a politician to be voted in as one party then cross the floor to another one. Bruce you were not elected, the NDP was, you are no longer NDP therefore there should be another vote to see if you should still have your seat. Your a democratic joke!
1/24/2014 8:24:47 AM
DougMyers says:
You are completely incorrect. You vote for an individual who has a party affiliation. You do not vote for a party.

You can consider your vote a party vote or a personal vote depending on your personal concerns (individual vs party).

However your vote was for that person. It did not ask on your ballot what party you were voting for, it asked what person. That person is elected as your representative.

It is your understanding of our democratic system that seems to be the issue here.

I am indifferent as to what Bruce did but ultimately he shall be judged by the voters for his decision, as all politicians are.
1/24/2014 11:11:15 AM
Tannoy says:
How do you figure you don't vote for a party? Even though yes you do vote for a person that person is attached to a party, and more often then not they're elected based on which party they represent. When they skip across the floor to another party that's complete BS!
1/24/2014 3:14:19 PM
S Duncan says:
Bruce might have been against the long gun registry but he has introduced a private members bill that makes it mandatory to consult the Canadian Firearms Centre before selling a firearm.

It is essentially a backdoor registry that will require permission from the CFC to sell your property to another licenced individual.

So Bruce cant change his spots. These hard line socialists never can.

What a disappointment.
1/23/2014 7:54:26 PM
Tachyion says:
How does that work between two person's who have an FAC......who would even know about the transaction? I am sure the criminal element are really concerned about that bill....their reporting is going to gridlock that system if it ever sees the light of day.
1/23/2014 10:16:58 PM
tsb says:
Hyer was only "not reliable" as an MP because the party did everything it could to make him not reliable. Mulcair is out to lunch if he thinks Superior North is going to become an NDP riding again. The people of Northwestern Ontario don't forget what politicians did to them in the past, and what happened to Hyer was a major mark against the NDP in this region.

The actions of NDP leadership have shown us that an NDP MP cannot be reliable to their constituents, only to party leadership.
1/23/2014 6:10:12 PM
Tachyion says:
At least Bruce can be relied upon to be honest......a very elusive trait in any politician.
1/23/2014 3:17:32 PM
yqtyqt says:
Yes, honesty is an elusive trait.

Mulcair couldn't give a damn about Bruce, other than damage control over Bruce speaking his mind and standing up for his constituents.

The gun registry IS the issue here. The NDP tried to strong arm him into voting along party lines. I hate this obligation to support party wishes over doing what the locals want.

I don't support the greens or the oranges. But I do admire Bruce for his fortitude. I wish him well and hope that other politicians will vote for what the residents want, not just suck up to what the Ottawa or Toronto leaders tell them to do.

I'm not mentioning names, but we have a pair of spineless politicians representing TBay.
1/23/2014 4:37:56 PM
Harvey P. says:
I'm sure you meant self serving instead of honest.
He had no future with the NDP and did what he did to survive. He's a politician the same as the rest.
Honest? Har har har.
1/23/2014 6:03:48 PM
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