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2014-01-27 at 19:58

Honouring the past

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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Fort William First Nation wants the city’s help to honour the area’s history.

From 1848 until 1905 “The Mission” served as the Jesuit headquarters. It expanded along the shore of the Kaministiquia River to include 60 homes, a church, an orphanage and a school until the land was expropriated for the railway. More than 100 years later, the community wants to recreate the village and include some more modern features, including a petting zoo, a youth centre and a community centre. It would also include a daycare and elder’s centre.

The church still exists, dragged along the ice in 1906 to Squaw Bay. Fort William First Nation economic development director Walter Bannon said around $12,000 has been spent so far to get the project off the ground. But with $40,000 from the city, a real feasibility study could begin to try and transform the original 25 acres back to the way it was. Along with generating tourism, it would be a good way to honour the history of the Ojibway people.

“History is what it is. Some of it was good, some of it was bad. Some of it was downright ugly,” Bannon said.

Council asked Bannon if other partners were out there for the project. He said there have been discussions with private companies.

He also asked to meet with Fort William Historical Park but it didn’t happen. He predicted the total cost would be around $1.7 million and that Fort William First Nation would be a major contributor.

Coun. Iain Angus said the project would be a great way for the city get involved in remembering and promoting the history of the area. Mayor Keith Hobbs said he liked the idea but worried about the cost.

“It’s a lot of money that they’re asking for,” he said.

Angus said the feasibility study would likely cost up to $150,000, which would mean the city wouldn’t be the only funder involved.

Administration has been asked to prepare a report with recommendations.

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SomeGuy says:
Council has no problem dolling our money to every organization that comes asking but a real tourist opportunity, a place that highlights first nations history beyond the fur trader period is a lot of money?

I think FWFN is doing the smart thing by developing this in stages by doing a feasibility study before jumping head first and building this village.
1/27/2014 8:13:04 PM
Tbay99 says:
Stuff like this nonsense is where my tax money is going?! VOTE THIS COUNCIL OUT ASAP!
1/27/2014 8:28:22 PM
Joesmo says:
Why doesn't city council let the residents of the city vote and decide? What is in it for the rest of us except higher taxes?
1/28/2014 3:03:24 AM
realist72 says:
What a great idea and a good opportunity to work together with FWFN. Look at how successful Old Fort William has become. We have everything to gain, and nothing to lose from teaching our children the true and unique history of our regions piece of NorthWestern Ontario.

I don't see where FWFN is asking for a handout, they seem to simply be asking for the city to be a partner.
1/28/2014 5:41:50 AM
sg says:
I think this is a great opportunity and the city should be all for it. I understand the reluctance to fund it, I really do.

Build bridges - to use a really bad analogy.
1/28/2014 8:02:51 AM
bttnk says:
I have to question where this initiative falls on the long list of requirements the FWFN and their community has. Shouldn't the city be asking this difficult question before agreeing to provide funding? Surely there has to be more pressing needs that redeveloping this village? Am I wrong?
1/28/2014 8:18:44 AM
Dockboy says:
Talk about going from the ridiculous to the sublime. If they want it, build it and fund it themselves. For once, city council, turn their request down.
1/28/2014 8:37:03 AM
SMB says:
Who-pays-for-what in municipal politics aside, what, realistically, are the tourism opportunities for yet another re-created historical site in Thunder Bay? The Old Fort has the historical re-creation market cornered in the area...and even that attraction has found it necessary to expand it's mandate way beyond the historic site. The Pioneer Village in Neebing...well, it's a distant second. This proposal sounds lovely in principal, but I really don't think it's realistic.
But then again, I guess that's why they want a feasibility study.
1/28/2014 8:59:59 AM
Tachyion says:
The Ring of Misfire had better come through for this city......the prospect of financially becoming a sister city to Detroit is alarming.
1/28/2014 9:13:14 AM
mystified says:
Thunder Bay doesn't need it...they have everything...NOT!
My in-laws came for a visit and I took my father in-law to see the sights. Thunder Bay museum was a disappointment so we went to Oliver Paipoonge and were thrilled at the displays they have in regards to the local history.
The water front is turning into a very pleasing place to go, sit and relax and take in the view.
Kakabeka Falls gets boring.
Not much at Mission Marsh.
A whole bunch of hiking trails if one is interested in hiking.
The conservatory is good for a few minutes.
Mount McKay is a pimple if you live surrounded by the rockies.

In all reality there isn't a hell of a lot of tourist attractions for visitors to experience. Every little bit helps.
1/28/2014 10:56:41 AM
yqtyqt says:
Well then move out of town if Kakabeka is boring, if Mount Mckay is a pimple, if the Museum is a disappointment, and if you`re not interesting in hiking. You`re obviously living in the wrong place.

Maybe a stay in smog choking downtown Toronto would be better for you, a drive up the congested QEW or 401 would turn you on, or a daytrip in the crime-infested neighbourhoods of Scarbourough or Jane & Finch would excite you.

The truth is that Thunder Bay has an abundance of natural beauty. Outdoor opportunities and activities that are envious - campsites, trails, fishing, hunting, ethnic & cultural communities and food. Free for everyone to enjoy.

That's what people have enjoyed here for generations and what makes us unique.

Mystifried, if you like it somewhere else, move there. Don't let the door slam on your backside on the way out.

I`ll keep Thunder Bay simple and beautiful. The way I have for more than 60 years.
1/28/2014 1:55:25 PM
fastball says:
Seems that most of the regular posters here have the "simple" part nailed down.
1/28/2014 2:55:59 PM
Dockboy says:
Angus says a feasibility study would cost $150,000.00. I'll do it for free, "We can't afford it." Your welcome.
1/28/2014 11:06:58 AM
SomeGuy says:
They aren't asking the city to build it, they are asking the city to partner along with other organizations including FWFN to see if a project like this even feasible.
1/28/2014 12:14:53 PM
S Duncan says:
Theyre asking the city to partner. That means PAY MONEY.

If the city is paying for a feasibility study of $150,000 Id say we're already in over our heads.
1/29/2014 9:50:51 AM
TIC says:
As a taxpayer I do not want my tax dollars wasted on this, I am already paying for t much that I didn't want thanks to this counsel. If FWFN wants this then have them pay for it, I am sure the have the funds.
1/28/2014 12:11:57 PM
fastball says:
What a wonderful world it would be if we could all order off the "Tax Menu".
Those of us that don't drive could direct their taxes away from any roadworks projects. Those of us who don't have kids could decline that our money go to school taxes, and those of us that just don't agree with a direction that the city is taking could just indicate by checking off the appropriate box that they don't care to fund this project.
Ah...but for the rest of us who live in the real world - we get to choose another way. It's called Election Day. That way you get to vote the guys out of office that you voted into office last time because you hated the guys that were in office previously.
That's the real world....not a bunch of cranky old men sitting around Robin's Donuts having coffee and bitching about "the world these days".
1/28/2014 3:01:08 PM
S Duncan says:
Thats why government isnt supposed to be acting like your parents and be in the business of charity, entertainment, real estate speculation, and running industry that flies directly in the face of private business.

With that massively ballooning municipal government they venture far off the path they are supposed to. When everybody finally gets ticked off enough we have problems.

This city is trying to be everything to everyone. Hobbs is too. The problem is you end up making everybody angry because they are paying too much for such little in return.

We are at that point now. Every month some group comes to council with hat in hand for something they think is important. People like Hobbs are too scared to say "no".

These are the reasons why government was never supposed to venture this far into peoples personal and non essential service lives.

Thats why communism failed, it tried to keep everything artificially equal. We are not far from it now and government is failing.
1/28/2014 5:03:23 PM
fastball says:
Are you telling me that TBay is the ONLY city around that operates like this? Like there's NO other city in the western world that "flies in the face of private business"? Give me a break.
Quit equating this city and the way it has conducted its business with the spectre of communism. It's a ridiculous parallel to draw.
The government is NOT failing, society is NOT ready to crumble into decay - just because you don't like a few things. If everyone "gets ticked off enough" they can exercise their right to effect change on Election Day. It's not the Boston Tea Party out there...and no one is storming the Bastille.
Hyperbole much, Scott?
1/29/2014 7:35:54 AM
tsb says:
Hated the guys last time? Only five of our councillors DIDN'T get a majority of the vote in the last election! Johnson, Ruberto, Gietuga, Bentz, McKinnon and mayor Hobbs got just under 50% of the vote in their races. Everyone else got OVER 50%. 77% of those who voted in 2010 voted for Ken Boshcoff! 77%!!!! MORE than three quarters!
1/28/2014 7:09:17 PM
Dave Silvey says:
I think old fort William history park should turn back the name old fort William and they should clean up simpson street by getting rid of hookers and drug dealers
1/28/2014 1:18:24 PM
Tachyion says:
A little off topic but since we are talking about a connection between FWFN and the City....has there ever been a definitive answer given by fire investigation as to the actual cause of the destruction that took place on the James St bridge? Don't recall hearing anything other that suspicious. Could the reason for CN delaying any repairs is their fear that whatever caused the fire could happen again.....something they know that we don't.
1/28/2014 4:11:04 PM
S Duncan says:
You guys removed my comment that fit well within the guidelines.

Its examples like that which cause distrust with news media in general and this site in particular.

Im not asking for an explanation, just pointing out to you why people will develop their mistrust.

You do well, but you can do better.

Scott
1/28/2014 4:37:25 PM
fastball says:
God, I've never heard a grown man WHINE as much as you! It's a comment board, not the sole lifeline to society. They probably got it mixed up with the other 2 dozen messages you've posted today. In fact, I'd be surprised if they print this.
1/29/2014 7:38:50 AM
Jack Frost says:
Partner And Help Wanted !!

I also want the city to be my partner and help me pay to completely renovate my home, build a new roof, finish the basement, build a new huge garage, install a new in ground year round pool, pave my driveway, buy me a nice new boat and new truck to pull it with, new Italian sports car, new snowmobile, new motorcycle and finally pay my ever increasing ludicrous property TAXES...

That all...

LOL !!
1/28/2014 6:12:09 PM
Tachyion says:
I would like a Cessna 172 and sufficient runway to operate on ( YQT is getting too crowded ).....where do I sign up for your proposed partnering request.
1/30/2014 10:29:40 AM
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