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Scary drive: Dash cam records near head-on highway crash

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By tbnewswatch.com

A dashboard video of two trucks nearly involved in a head-on crash on Highway 11 has been posted to YouTube.

The video, which can be viewed below, shows the crash from the perspective of the one driver. In the video, which is date stamped Jan. 4 just after 8 a.m., the driver of one transport truck is forced into guardrails on a highway to avoid the head on crash with another transport truck that appeared to be attempting to pass a snow plow.

“This was on Highway 11 driving eastbound past Nipegon [sic],” a YouTube comment published by the original poster reads. 

“Other driver was headed westbound. Please share this with anyone you know. This guy needs to be stopped before he kills someone. He didn't even care enough to stop. Just took off. Truck drivers have families too.”

An OPP spokesman says police have seen the video and are looking into whether the incident was reported and are trying to identify the driver of the truck to lay possible charges, including unsafe pass and failure to remain. 

WARNING: Video contains graphic language …

 


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fastball says:
Another flippin' 18-wheeler who just HAS TO pass a slower-moving large vehicle. The guy just couldn't back off the gas for a couple of kilometers until there was a safe spot to pass - in snowy weather conditions, to boot.
You ever wonder why there's a long, practically-weekly, list of accidents and fatalities on the national embarrassment called the Trans-Canada Highway of Doom in NWO? Look no further.
1/30/2014 10:31:55 AM
j_northey says:
No question we need to see more passing lanes and ideally a divided highway at some point. It would save lives and cut down a bit on scary stuff like this.
1/30/2014 1:15:20 PM
zeppelin says:
A divided highway is the only way to avoid this, unfortunately, because it's obvious that truck drivers aren't getting any more cautious towards other traffic. Getting to the section that is finished now is such a relief while going down the highway. We need more passing lanes so they don't feel like they need to pass whenever the hell they want to just to make up time!
Either that or they should just have their own highway all-together, because they act like it's all theirs anyways. How many fatal highway accidents involve tractor trailers compared to other types of traffic? and it's not just because they are bigger, transport drivers have a completely different mentality while driving a highway than you or I do, they are more worried about their jobs instead of being cautious because they are in a bigger vehicle and could do serious damage.
They scare the you know what outta me. I can't even imagine what this guy felt during this, I'm glad he got to tell this story.
1/30/2014 4:01:11 PM
fastball says:
They have their own highway...it's called the freight train.
You can put all the passing lanes in you want - but if they won't ease off the hammer for that extra 2 or 3 kilometers til the passing lane, what's the point?
1/30/2014 7:54:37 PM
Derpitydooda says:
That was a safe spot to pass. 3 seconds into the video when mr panic pants ripped around the snow covered corner to see the transport was already passing and in his lane.
It was a full 6 seconds later mcscreamy started pooping himself. In those 6 seconds he wasn't slowing down.
The average human response time is under 500 milliseconds.
The driver of this clip was going too fast for conditions and distracted.
2/1/2014 10:30:16 PM
localboy says:
Man thats freaky.
You can really hear the distress in the driver's voice! The other driver needs to be stopped!!!!
1/30/2014 10:33:32 AM
Dockboy says:
The driver of the truck which provided the footage did a fabulous job of avoiding a tragedy. The other truck made a drastic error in judgement thinking he could pass the snowplow in time.
1/30/2014 10:35:51 AM
DougMyers says:
I should hope that driver is now off the road. If not, why did the plow operator not report his details? The plow operator must also have seen what was happening there. My wife and I, with kids in the back, were forced off the road last year the same way by a truck passing a long line of vehicles going around a blind corner on Hwy 61. We managed to stay on the shoulder and everyone was OK. Moves like that need to warrant a loss of driving privileges. This kind of thing happens way too often on the less travelled highways in our area. Especially when the driver knows no one witnessed the incident. Talk to some insurance adjusters and appraisers for some crazy stories like this one.
1/30/2014 10:42:09 AM
Tachyion says:
I wonder if with today's ability to enhance video if it would be possible to find out the plate number of the offending truck, or any other markings on the drivers door for example. The trailer is pretty much blank of info.
1/30/2014 10:44:24 AM
jb says:
zoom, rotate and enhance 400%?
1/30/2014 4:58:41 PM
buddyanon says:
Being a medic that needs to drive this stretch of highway every 4 days, this type of thing doesn't surprise me at all... The stretch of road from nipigon to schreiber is just treacherous. Also on very snowy days you can just about guarantee that there will transports spun out on cavers hill when they should have just waited till the road was cleared.
1/30/2014 11:08:31 AM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
Brutal stretch of highway and it's not TOO too populated.

Can't say how many times I've driven that road and witnessed these things; though it has been summer.

Not trying to fault the driver with the dash-cam video but, was he slowing down when he noticed the trannytruck? Granted it looks like it was slippery as all hell but good defensive driving can always help too. Looks like he was able to maneuver well!
1/30/2014 11:28:30 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
If we hadn't given up on the Canadian Dream, most of this traffic would be on the rails and transports would not be costing us a fortune in road repairs and pollution, let alone making our highways unfit for civilian traffic.
1/30/2014 11:50:13 AM
Bigthunderbay says:
yea we could put it on rails and we would be paying a fortune in transportation costs and if you are trying to get rid of the truck I wonder how the load gets from the train to the store?
1/31/2014 5:09:11 PM
unknowncronik says:
seems divided highways in NWO would end this stupid problem....too bad southern Ontario gets all the funding!
1/30/2014 11:55:20 AM
commonsense says:
How scary to watch! I hope the driver did report the incident, with details of time, date, etc (available from video) and perhaps he noticed the name on the truck, barely seen as the truck passes. The company would know "WHO" was driving and should take action, hopefully prompted by OPP.
A friend who drives this stretch regularly said he sees trucks trying to pass the plow all the time, putting others at risk.
Could the plows be outfitted with dashcams? Perhaps laws can be changed allowing trucks to pass only when in a passing lane? Perhaps NO ONE should be allowed to pass the plow, and plow would just pull over if driver deems roads aren't too bad for drivers to proceed.
All things to consider.
Now, this driver will have to explain the damage to his rig, to his boss or insurance company.
Glad he survived to tell the tale.
1/30/2014 12:00:34 PM
moi says:
OMG... My heart goes out to the trucker who almost became another highway fatality.Can't imagine the terror you must have experienced when you saw this idiot heading towards you.
We're glad you're safe and hopefully Karma will return the favour to the trucker who passed the snowplow.What a jacka**.
1/30/2014 12:15:57 PM
S Duncan says:
Welcome to reality. Why would the other driver stop? Unless he collided with the other truck I dont believe he's obligated to stop?

A large problem with trucks right now is the stupid government speed limiters. Because speed is limited a truck with a heavy load will slow down more on a hill than a lighter load or more powerful truck.

Often times a truck cannot complete a pass because the heavier truck starts accellerating down the hill that he just slowed down coming up.

So you can be driving a more powerful truck but be forced to slow down on every hill. So you have to pass in order to maintain schedules, fuel economy, and sanity.

But the government took away some of the speed you needed to complete a pass in a shorter time period.

So you end up with situations similar to this one (different though because this was a slow moving sand truck).

The sand truck could have helped this situation by stopping immediately as well.

It was an accident, nothing more.
1/30/2014 12:28:00 PM
Miles August says:
This might be the dumbest comment I've ever read. "Why would the other driver stop?" Probably to avoid a head on collision at highway speeds! Your opinion seems to be that because it was his lane he should have barreled through regardless. You say speed limiters are the problem? no no no. drivers making dumb decisions is the problem. Do you think they should remove the limiters to allow transports to make dangerous passes? The drivers should just be safe and responsible and wait a few extra minutes. Then you blame the snow plow driver for not adapting to someone else bad judgment.
1/30/2014 12:59:07 PM
S Duncan says:
I meant why would the other driver stop after the incident, not before.

My comment seems stupid to you because you failed to understand what is written right in front of you.

I dont blame the plow driver either. Im just saying he could have took actions to help the situation if he was even aware of it. (he has his own job and vehicle to control)

Speed imiters are A problem. They create a problem just like I described. Perhaps you werent able to understand that either? If not then I can logically deduce youve never driven a big truck with electronically controlled speed.

The limiters are causing issues. The trucking industry warned the liberals when they brought this out. Its another stupid emotionally based law. Speeding is already against the law and putting limiters into play was just stupid. The "liberals" once again turn their nose up to the definition of "liberty" by trying to overlegislate and control people.

People dont like these traffic jams so they pass. and?
1/30/2014 1:34:18 PM
tbaygardener says:
Too bad we can't put a limiter on Mr. Know it All S Duncan's ridiculous comments!!
1/30/2014 2:33:05 PM
S Duncan says:
Another thing you may not realize is that truckers know you dont drive into the ditch to avoid an accident. You end up with a wrecked truck while the other guy keeps going. Now there is nobody your insurance co can pursue for damages.

So if youre taking the ditch or in this case the guardrail, you are better off to take a piece of the other vehicle with you. FOR LEGAL AND INSURANCE REASONS ONLY.

Thats the truth.

Now youre right, the limiter doesnt cause the accident, people do. The limiter leads drivers into these situations much more frequently. Some make good decisions, some dont. But I guarantee you the reason we're having the truck issues we are is because of limiters.

The problem is people dont have minutes in todays world. We cant be stuck behind a line of trucks that cannot pass in the same length of time they once could.

Just like red light cameras. The end result is way more accidents because people have to jam on the brakes when they used to proceed smoothly.
1/30/2014 1:49:03 PM
smartguy83 says:
Deciding to complete the accident vs avoiding the possibility of killing someone or yourself has to be one of the most cowardly acts any human being could accomplish. Go crawl in a hole and leave us alone because that is totally ridiculous.
1/30/2014 3:43:56 PM
S Duncan says:
Its the truth, whether you like it or not.

Its obvious that its you living in the hole. This story just shows you. He took the guardrail, the other guy hit nothing.

Today one has a damaged truck, and the other is out making money.

Nobody said life was going to be easy for you, but if you continue to live in ignorance, it might be something you can handle.
2/1/2014 9:48:35 PM
j_northey says:
Wow. Just wow.

OK, lets see...
1) while for insurance reasons it might be better to smash head first into another car rather than going into the ditch there is another law - the law of physics - which dictates that it would be the dumbest move you could do if you wish to live. The driver in this case was very smart to have that camera on and it is something I debate adding to my car as a 'just in case' since it provides proof of what happened.

2) Limiters - these were put into place due to idiots who drove way past the speed limit regularly. I used to live in the Toronto area and pre-limiter you would regularly be passed by independent truckers doing 120+ KM/hr which is extremely dangerous. 105 makes a lot of sense as a limit, and some major truck companies actually had limiters on their trucks before the law was passed.

3) Red light cameras - it is dangerous to gun it through yellow, and that is the only way you would ever get a ticket. Obey the law and no ticket.
1/31/2014 11:42:03 AM
madashell says:
'Professional Drivers' like you need to be stopped for good. Where is Darwin when we need him.
I've advocated that all commercial trucks be required to have video cameras showing both directions of travel, recording speed / GPS location, driver etc and available for inspection 30 days, or suspension of license. Perhaps idiots like you you can't understand common sense, do we need more laws, maybe. I'm going to install my own video to help stop your type.
Thanks for kicking my butt into gear.
2/1/2014 1:49:31 PM
unionbay880 says:
You are obligated to stop by law. The fail to remain law says every driver directly or indirectly involved has to stop. This would include the sander. Even if the law didn't exist you would think that common courtesy would dictate you stop after causing an accident. Speed limiters have been on trucks for years, do you think this is the first time this moron has driven up a hill with his truck only to find that going up a hill makes the truck go slower? It wasn't an accident, accident means there is no fault, nothing could have been done to avoid it passing uphill approaching a blind corner is not an accident. Not 2 kilometers from where they were is a huge straight stretch that would have been safer to pass on.
1/30/2014 1:14:31 PM
DougMyers says:
You must enjoy displaying your ignorance publically

Of course the driver needed to stop. He was in the opposing lane of traffic while an on coming vehicle was approaching. He was completely at fault for this accident.

Do you suggest the guy in the video should perhaps clip the transport to ensure it was the other guys fault?
1/30/2014 1:20:33 PM
fastball says:
Seriously - I've seen a lot of stupid things posted on this board...but SD, that was quite possibly the gold medal standard to which all stupid comments aspire.
DON'T PASS IF THE WAY ISN'T CLEAR, you knucklehead!
By your logic, if we outfitted transports with the equivalent of a NASCAR-powered engine, we'd never have any accidents. The problem is not with the trucks - it's with the idiots driving them who display a shocking lack of judgement, or absolutely no regard for the rules of the road or the safety of anyone not driving a 10-ton truck.
I swear, if your comment had one less metaphorical brain cell, it would have to be considered plant life and left on a window ledge to be watered once a week.
1/30/2014 1:23:20 PM
Tachyion says:
It was an accident caused by plain stupidity.....the truck attempting to pass made no attempt whatsoever until the last fifty yards to retreat and get the hell out of the way of the truck that had the right of way. Even if the offending driver had no damage to his truck he should be held to account for CAUSING an accident. You do not proceed to pass or enter into an oncoming lane unless the way is clear to so. Lives could have been lost here through just plain stupidity.
1/30/2014 2:05:23 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
Duncan! I sure hope you don't drive! Because if you do, you are probably the guy that says I've never had an accident in my life. Ya! But caused 1000's! You are just a moron! Your logic makes no sense. I hope you just take the bus!
1/30/2014 2:58:19 PM
sd says:
ALERT ALERT ALERT
Idiotic comment above
You start by speaking about the reality of the situation and wonder why the driver would stop since there was no collision between the two vehicles and feel that he is not obligated to stop. You conclude your comment by stating that it was an accident.
Would someone involved in an accident not be obligated to stop at the scene of the accident. Is there not a law about leaving the scene of an accident.
Your post as usual is unbelievable.
Thank you for nothing
1/31/2014 11:01:21 AM
Madison123 says:
I drive the high way 1 hour each day to work and I have seen many close calls In the last 15 years and I've noticed one common denominator is they have all involved transports, as far as your dumb response about the speed regulators on trucks being the problem I believe the law says you are to be in control of your vehicle at all times and drive to the conditions of the road. This being said I'm sure this means not running people off the road that are completely in the right because you made an error in how much safe room and time you had to pass well knowing that your truck has been limited to 100km an hour I believe you are definitely in the wrong. Myself I would definitely want you to stop after running me off the road because I would love to talk face to face to you and have you explain how this is the snowplow operators fault or my own. I personal think that driver should be charged with attempted manslaughter or some other premeditated offence ....wish I had more room to finish.
2/1/2014 8:28:45 PM
toobadsosad says:
We travel this highway all summer and this is ALWAYS happening! Glad the video driver is safe!
1/30/2014 12:41:43 PM
Dan Dan says:
Just another speeding driver that had to pass instead of slowing down. There are a lot of people posting here that are angry at the truck, but I wonder how many of them stick to the posted speed limits always? If you're a speeder, you're no better than the trucker.
1/30/2014 12:51:30 PM
albertc ferguson says:
man u have no clue the moron here is the one trying to pass at 40 kmph unfortunately its uphill and the trucker should have hit his brakes but the cops don't care and let people drive the way they want. but anyone passing a plow knows the risks and knows to do so safely
2/1/2014 7:54:33 PM
anvil of crom says:
driving back from sask this summer there was a traffic backup after a semi truck collision past dryden. After traffic it was conjested and backed up people doing stupid passes. On a long straight stretch that ended with a sharp right turn at a corner, a few faster transports started passing a slow tranport and a truck, as the straight stretch came to an end a third red transport pulled out last second to pass as well.
I thought, I hope no one is going to come around that corner. Sure enough a transport comes around. I see brake lights hear horns, squealing tires.. the guy barely squeeked in. The slow transport pulled over a few klicks up and was on his cell. We passed the offending transport and 20 kms later, an OPP was pulled over, lights on, officer standing watching the oncoming traffic.
hope he was there for the offender.
1/30/2014 1:31:44 PM
eddylives says:
As a person that has been in that position more than a few times (the plow operator and the person being forced off the road) all I can say is.....
Its the driver doing the passing that is the problem.
I have avoided many tragic ends by taking evasive actions to try and limit the possible damages/injury's/deaths forced upon myself and other innocent victims by those that are too impatient to wait for a safe passing time.
The person passing takes full responsibility for the outcome of their actions
1/30/2014 1:47:03 PM
zeppelin says:
I HATE driving that highway because of transport drivers, I'm usually scared for my life. They do stupid things like that all the time. Try to race each other up hills, drive side by side and pass on blind hills and corners, and tailgate you until they decide to pass. One time we were heading westbound turning left off the highway (and we definitely had our blinkers on for a sufficient amount of time for following traffic to react) one transport that was behind us did not even slow down and almost rear ended us while at the same time another was passing him and us! HELLO!? It's just nuts, they need to be stopped, I have seen to many things like this happen.
1/30/2014 2:02:16 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
We need that guy off the road, thankfully the man filming and the snow plow driver are ok. This could have turned ugly very quick. I can hear the sheer terror in the man's voice, how completely awful for him to experience this.
1/30/2014 2:05:37 PM
Dockboy says:
S. Duncan, get a life.
1/30/2014 2:28:37 PM
S Duncan says:
Ok.

Since you asked so nicely.
1/30/2014 4:01:58 PM
Archer says:
I drove transport for years in Canada and the US. I found that in the later years of my driving career that the respect on the road became a thing of the past. It became the wild west where each driver seemed to be concerned with only himself and maximizing his day. It's a sad state of affairs when a person feels they have more rights to the road than anyone else. As I drive around my home town of Thunder Bay I am seeing the same change in drivers of all vehicles. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have seen drivers of passenger vehicles doing exactly what we see in the video. I fear for my kids who are now driving. I am now a first responder and this winter alone have seen carnage, that with some patient driving and respect for others could easily have been prevented. Lets all take a look at ourselves and share the road as we were meant to.
1/30/2014 3:36:31 PM
Tachyion says:
Sad but true.....the willingness of people to put other's lives at risk just to save a couple of minutes at destinations end. A prime example of driver stupidity is the private road intersection at Home Depot. Entrance road has the right of way in both directions, yet drivers on the intersecting road frequently pull out from the stop sign right in front of oncoming traffic. STOP means STOP....do NOT proceed into the intersection until the way is clear to do so. There is no other excuse for such actions than STUPIDITY.
1/30/2014 4:20:39 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
Hear ya on that one Tachyion. Ive seen a half dozen really close calls in that intersection too. The property owners should make it a 4-way stop.. people just seem to be confused by it or something.
1/30/2014 8:56:09 PM
jordan912 says:
It is most likely a pulp truck driver from Nipigon or Beardmore. He shouldn't be too hard to find. I don't know how many times I encountered this on the road where I found a transport in my lane. There has to be better laws and training for these drivers. They don't care because it is the driver in the other vehicle that usually gets the brunt of the accident which usually results in death. What ends up happening these drivers get off with a traffic ticket while they ruin the lives of whole families. Limiters have saved countless of lives already and has paid for itself over and over again. Before limiters, driving on northern Ontario roads was a scary place.
1/30/2014 3:53:13 PM
mexifin says:
Watch it video,No pulp truck
1/30/2014 9:54:06 PM
Nitesky says:
Divided hwys won't help at all. Have any of you seen the new 2-lane snowplows? They monopolize two lanes and move at a snail's pace. Want to see road rage? Follow one for 30 K
1/30/2014 4:50:16 PM
pub27 says:
I think they labeled the story wrong, it should be "Normal Drive" not "Scary Drive" as this in definitely the norm on HWY 11 during the winter...and jordan912 where do u see the pulp truck??? Looks like one of those trucks with 7 people in it who wash their feet in sinks...
1/30/2014 5:05:43 PM
Itsnoaccident says:
This would have been a collision and not an "accident". To use the word accident implies the incident was not preventable which in this case would have been very preventable had the truck driver had more patience and common sense
1/30/2014 5:09:48 PM
zeppelin says:
That doesn't make any sense. Divided highways are safer, period. And you still need to plow them...
I would rather end up behind a plow rather than drive on slush, although it can be extremely annoying following a plow, people need to chill out and let the plow do its thing until you can safely pass, its not worth getting in an accident over, as is the point here. We have snow, therefore plows, it's a pretty minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things.
1/30/2014 5:26:39 PM
gone for good says:
I had a woman cross 4 lanes last week on the Pembina Highway in Winnipeg.
She was talking on her cell phone heading towards the Beer Vendor in St Norbert. This is why I have a dash cam in my car.
I was driving defensively and avoid a major crash. But had it all on video if I needed it just in case.
Camera was 100 bucks.
1/30/2014 6:07:17 PM
Watchful says:
This was just plain reckless driving and I am appalled that the snowplow driver did not stop and assist. Dto the reckless driver, next time you may kill someone so you need to be stopped. To Duncan, are you for real , no one can be that dumb
1/30/2014 6:50:30 PM
deanc12 says:
This video is actually between Nipigon and Beardmore on hwy 11, just south of the gas power plant
1/30/2014 8:41:49 PM
brooky says:
I drive these highways for several hundred km's every week and I am in the opinion that I am taking my life in my hands every time I head out. It's a lottery whether you are going to live or die. To be fair, not all tractor trailer drivers are irresponsible. But way too many are. Just two weeks ago I counted 7 rigs in the ditch on a drive home from Dryden. Yes, 7. There's no way that some of these drivers should be on the road. I'm not sure if the picture I've attached will show up, but if it does, this is what I see every week. Finally, let me join the S Duncan is an idiot club. Proud to be a card carrying member.

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1/30/2014 9:20:28 PM
moi says:
I don't always agree with you brooky, however I'm guessing most of us on this thread would also be proud, card carrying members of the... "s duncan is an idiot" club.
LOL, with.. "s Duncan" as president, "pie island" as v.p., and "Tim H" as treasurer..
Just a thought.
1/31/2014 9:10:07 AM
deanc12 says:
I drove these roads as a truck driver many times. I find most car drivers and some cdl drivers of being jerks. My truck was governed at 105 and I never attempted to pass anyone going the speed limit, unless I had a 2km passing lane.
Some auto drivers and transports would pass me with 3 or 4 autos in pursuit and pass me at 92 k/p/h by the end of the passing lane I have 2 cars on my left and pass lane ending. Every body needs driving lessons. By the way Quebec Hwy 20 is the is the best for merging and sharing roads
1/30/2014 10:31:04 PM
Enquirer says:
I am choosing to ignore all of the purposeful trolling posts as well as those seemingly disassociated with this incident.

All I do want to say is, very rarely do you hear what true panic and terror sounds like; I can honestly say that, on some sort of human to human level, I could sense the sheer terror in the voice of this man. When a voice reeks of real terror and impending doom, you just know it. My stomach literally sank hearing that in his voice.

I am very happy this incident did not end with a much more tragic finish.
1/30/2014 10:41:53 PM
Tachyion says:
Very well said.....an experience that will never be forgotten in this man's life. My brain would be replaying that fright over and over again both in the conscious, and unfortunately, in the subconscious ( the part I have no control over ). No lives were lost or severely impaired, and you are right....a tragedy was averted......for that we should be grateful.
1/31/2014 9:00:38 AM
Curious says:
Seeing this video and experiencing something similar as many of you have, lets say this wasn't caught on camera and the driver was run off the road by trying to avoid a collision and gawd forbid was killed - it would have been ANOTHER "single vehicle" accident due to road conditions and left at that. I question every single vehicle accident causing death because of these maniacs. Lots are good and considerate but there are a certain group that are hired to just drive - they don't stop even to go to the bathroom - that is why there are so many plastic bottles of urine on the sides of the highways. These drivers don't care about anybody or anything except making time.
1/31/2014 6:50:53 AM
jethro says:
takes two in every accident! Even tho the transport causes this accident the half tonne tr driver should have slowed down as soon as he seen snow plow and transport side by side! Had he slowed down at corner this woulda been avoided regardless of truckers mistake,, like i said, in my view two mistakes makes an accident(involving mv collisions)
1/31/2014 8:10:40 AM
unionbay880 says:
Which half ton driver? Do you mean the one that the video came from? That's also a transport (60 -70 x half ton). So slamming on the brakes and coming to a quick stop wasn't an option. Did you see the road? That's not white pavement. If you watch the video the truck going uphill isn't even into the lane when the truck going downhill rounds the corner, the truck is around the corner and he seems to hesitate then still go for the pass. Should we stop before every corner, get out and walk around the corner to make sure some maniac isn't passing uphill on a blind corner. This driver did an excellent job of basically threading the needle of not going into the ditch and not hitting the moron who caused all this. By the way had this driver tried to slow down any more than he did he "woulda" ended up taking out both other vehicles in a jacknife crash that "woulda" closed the highway for hours. Hopefully if this video gets passed around enough this coward will be caught.
1/31/2014 11:06:13 AM
workingman says:
Please do not reproduce.
1/31/2014 11:08:31 AM
Sinjo says:
Im sorry Jethro but your logic is definitely blurred like the passing transport driver. Not every collision is both parties at fault.
Police should have been called immediately so that they could have stopped the driver before he reached Thunder bay.
1/31/2014 10:57:59 AM
eddylives says:
Good luck finding one truck amongst the hundreds out there without a plate # or damage caused by the incident lol
This is why true professional drivers all know
"Take a piece of them with you"
Its your only real proof other than the footage from the dash cam.
Police and insurance love to lay the blame game as fatigue/fell asleep/distracted etc etc. when there is no other witnesses or participants around to back up your accounts of the incident.
1/31/2014 2:21:08 PM
coolchick1969 says:
Interesting. I just watched this once and here are my thoughts. The driver that is filming this, could see the semi in the wrong lane from a fair distance. In this type of weather, would you not drive more cautiously, especially paying attention to oncoming traffic? Also the truck 'filming' isn't exactly going slow. As for the semi, the same thing goes for him or her. They could see the truck coming. Both drivers are at fault here. Just my opinion.
1/31/2014 2:08:45 PM
Tachyion says:
Might seem like a fair distance to you, but the distance between these two trucks is disappearing at twice their indicated speed. That does not leave a lot of time to react...defensive driving can only protect a driver to a certain percentage. The idiot in the passing truck reduced that percentage to a minimum. Those were not half ton trucks.......semi's that size and probably fully loaded have a lot of inertial mass. The larger the vehicle the more common it is to overestimate its speed.
1/31/2014 4:03:31 PM
PDSchuck says:
That video was driver error, nothing more. You can't blame anything else, it was a (stupid) judgement. And I really hope that anyone saying it's the speed governors fault doesn't drive.
1/31/2014 2:58:13 PM
gone for good says:
Cool chick

You nailed it. Same thing I had on my mind.
Either of them were driving to the road conditions.
And I agree 100%
They were both traveling far too fast on a upcoming corner.
1/31/2014 5:45:52 PM
deegsnana says:
Hearing the raw fear and terror of the driver almost made me actually cry!!! I really hope they catch that S.O.B. and get him off the frigging roads!!!! This video made me SO MAD, my daughter and her family have to drive on a dangerous highway regularly and the amount of truck drivers pulling stupid stunts like this are unfortunatly all to common! It needs to stop!
1/31/2014 6:08:02 PM
angelad says:
Coolchick you've said it best!!Yes the oncoming truck should have got back behind the plow when they saw there was oncoming traffic, or even the plow driver could have slowed down.It seems that the amount of uneducated or uncaring drivers is increasing in both the CDL world and also the four wheelers!There needs to be more enforcement of traffic laws.How many times have you seen "those" trucks who HAVE to drive twenty thirty feet behind the truck in front of them at highway speeds for miles?Isn't that called tailgating? Why are these drivers not getting tickets ?I think it very sad that as a driver of hwy 17-11 it is a coin toss going to work because I am never sure that I will make it home safe and sound because some drivers think that they can do whatever they want whenever they want and the rest of the world will move to accomadate them.We need better education and MORE enforcement of the traffic laws.Just my opinion.
1/31/2014 11:05:25 PM
klepto84 says:
I grew up in the Soo and drove to the lakehead frequently. Saw lots of nuts, but nothing like the 401 between Kichener (where I live) and Toronto. Never see a cop unless there's an accident and that's the main issue. People flaunt the law and put us all in danger because there is very little enforcement on Ontario roads. (Thank you Mike Harris and every premier since). When I go into New York state or Michigan cops are everywhere. The speed is slower. People don't pass on the right and generally driving is less stressful and safer. C'mon Premier Wynne.....hire some OPP's and let's get these yahoos off the road!
2/1/2014 8:59:50 AM
what i see says:
If you slow the video or pause the video at 3 sec. and then start again.. pause at 6 sec. you will notice that the truck passing the plow is already completely in the passing position and nearly nose to nose with the plow... the oncoming driver did not slow down... when this was evident..... it only stands to reason that it takes time to back off and get back in behind the plow... which if the oncoming driver slowed down some.... could have helped the situation.. I am not saying one is wrong and the other is right ..... this is clearly a situation where by if each of the three had been thinking clearly.. and giving the other driver the opportunity to get out of the way..... this mishap very well may have been avoided.... just my opinion!!
2/1/2014 9:15:01 AM
sandramcc says:
The passing transport was carrying dangerous goods. Looks like various gases, with a compressed gas as most dangerous.
2/1/2014 4:33:29 PM
Foxy123 says:
What Mr. Duncan said in a earlier comment is true you have to get a piece of the other vehicle. I have run coast to coast for the past 30 years and that is something a driver trainer told us in a drivers meeting 15 years ago. I made the comment you could kill someone one and they told us that is the chance you take. I know and everyone else knows it is wrong but the laws and insurance companies don't give you a choice or else you are charged. I said you would be charging me because I would have done the same thing taking the guard rail and taking my chances. As for drivers getting frustrated and taking stupid chances the speed limiters are causing the biggest frustrations on the highways because your truck basically stops pulling when you hit that limit and that is scary when you are trying to pass a slower vehicle. As for drivers everybody is responsible to drive their own truck and think for them self. It is a different industry and drivers today aren't we use to be.
2/1/2014 4:51:50 PM
S Duncan says:
Thank you very much.

These people are having difficulty accepting the reality that you, I, and many many others already do.

You can tell they aren't professional drivers otherwise they would understand it. They are in turn just drivers. Ignorant of legal issues and how they pertain to insurance situations.

the truth is, if youre forced into the ditch you take a piece of the other guy with you.

P.S. I work in insurance.
2/1/2014 9:57:10 PM
tbaygardener says:
If you work for the same insurance company as your user name, I know who I will not be calling for an estimate at renewal time!
2/2/2014 2:14:52 PM
S Duncan says:
That's OK, if you're just going to drive into guardrails and the ditch on your own all the time, insurance company's wouldn't want your business.
2/2/2014 5:33:22 PM
unionbay880 says:
That driver trainer is an idiot, no wonder so many truckers drive so aggressively (not all, there are many good ones)If you intentionally hit another vehicle it is a criminal offence. No court is going to listen to your defence of "I didn't want the other guy to get away with passing unsafe so I drove into his vehicle" during your manslaughter trial.

"Speed limiters are causing the biggest frustrations on the highways" yeah because truckers can't speed anymore, deal with it, adjust your driving, like I said before this can't be the first time this moron tried to go up a hill with a speed limiter.
2/2/2014 2:04:42 PM
52FORD says:
see the sign at start of video(turn ahead)that down hill driver should have been slowing down,road was snow covered could he not think the big picture that something could be coming up the hill,he was going to FAST,just my thought.
2/1/2014 5:45:47 PM
S Duncan says:
Is it any wonder why so many witches were burned at the stakes during the Salem witch trials?

Here a guy who has intricate knowledge of the insurance business and commercial trucks in particular tells you exactly why and how this happened and all these people who think because they drive a car they are the most knowledgable on the subject.

Now we have 2 commercial drivers telling you to take a piece of the other car because that's how it actually is.

Nobody wants to hit the other vehicle at all but nobody wants to go to the dentist for a root canal either.

You have to do whats best for you. In this case you take a piece of the other vehicle or get stuck posting videos while youre waiting to have your truck fixed, at your expense. Meanwhile the other driver is probably on his 2nd or 3rd trip by now making money.

Reality sucks sometimes but it is what it is. Quit ignoring it, quit crying about it, quit calling people "witch" and deal with it like an adult instead of an ostrich.
2/1/2014 10:12:44 PM
CommercialOper says:
First things first, any IDIOT passing a plough on a snow covered road, should have their licence revoked for stupidity.

Secondly, many large vehicle accidents are caused by smaller vehicles (cars, pick up trucks, taxis) cutting them off and not leaving enough room in between them and the other vehicle for braking emergencies.

Thirdly, most accidents occur due to drivers who have no idea what defensive driving is, or just want to hot dog it. I was driving a coach with 56 passengers on board. I had a pick up truck on Hwy 401 near Pickering & Oshawa play chicken infront of all the large vehicles, making the larger vehicle hit their brakes, and the pick up would then take off so as not to be hit. This put my vehicle, my passengers and other vehicles using the highway in danger of a crash.

Whose fault would it be? Mine because I had to brake so as not to hit the pick up? or the pick up playing a deadly game of chicken on a very busy stretch of highway during rush hour?

2/2/2014 12:23:52 AM
dblonghauler says:
Let the truck driver bashing begin. Everyone is so quick to say oh the evil truck driver with horns and tails are all speed demons just out to kill everyone on the road. I have seen just as many 4 wheelers pull just as bad if not worse. As for putting the freight on the train a little thing called just in time freight will not let that happen. People love there stuff to be there the next day guess how it gets there umm lets see oh ya on a truck. Yes this guy was wrong to pass the plow and he should be charged but not all truck drivers are evil. We need better training of drivers not more laws to govern them. If you ever had to drive a truck you would understand we have rules up the butt. How about more pull outs and rest areas. People want us to rest yet all the new rest areas and coffee shops are set up to keep trucks out cant have the evil truck drivers resting here. So lets get off the truck bashing band wagon and fix the problem.
2/2/2014 8:07:25 AM
blackwell says:
Well if you take the time to really look at this video we all agree that these were all very fortunate people to still be alive, the video trucker did a great job of riding the rail and safely coming to a stop and of coarse he needed to change his underwear! As for all these people who are condemning the other truck driver for not stopping... think about how fast this all happened as far as he or the plow driver knows there was no accident, the plow driver was already past as the video truck just missed the following trucker and the plow truck driver I guarantee was holding the steering wheel very tight as was the following trucker. As far as having video in every truck I think that is a great idea but it is the 4 wheelers that would receive the majority of tickets "after the fact" by the police. I'm so glad no one ended up getting hurt! The uphill driver should not have been passing! the video driver did not respond to the approaching situation near fast enough for the speed he was at
2/4/2014 1:14:35 AM
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