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Minimum-wage hike

Poverty Free Thunder Bay chairwoman Terri Carter says increase in minimum wage is a step in the right direction, however, it
Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
Poverty Free Thunder Bay chairwoman Terri Carter says increase in minimum wage is a step in the right direction, however, it's still 16 per cent below the poverty line.
By Jodi Lundmark & Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

Although minimum wage in Ontario will increase 75 cents to $11 per hour, that's still 16 per cent below the poverty line.

Poverty Free Thunder Bay chairwoman Terri Carter said although she's pleased minimum wage will now be tied to inflation, she's disappointed the province didn't take a stronger stance on pulling people out of poverty.

"People are still going to struggle to pay their rent and food and other necessities," she said Thursday.

The anti-poverty advocacy group had been asking for minimum wage to increase to $14 an hour but Premier Kathleen Wynne announced Thursday that minimum wage would rise from $10.25 per hour to $11 starting on June. 1.

The government will also introduce legislation to tie future increases to inflation. Every April, the province will announce a new minimum wage rate based on the previous year's inflation rate. That rate will take effect six months later in October.

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There are 15,000 people in Thunder Bay living below the poverty line and Carter said the wage increase will make a difference for some people.

"But I think if you're living on your own and paying rent and food, they're still going to have to use the food banks and we're still going to see those huge social housing waitlists," she said.

"They're just struggling. It's hard for them to pull themselves out."

In October, the Thunder Bay Chamber of Commerce met with the province's minimum wage advisory panel and asked for a predictable and transparent process in determining minimum wage.

The panel released a report recommending the process be tied to inflation.

"The government has listened," she said, calling it a good process.

"It provides predictability. It's fair to employers and employees because everybody is going to know this is how it works and this is how it's going to be and they can plan accordingly," said Robinson.

That predictability is important for small businesses in particular because it allows them to plan their budgets knowing what changes are coming.

Minimum wage hadn't increased since 2010.

MPP Bill Mauro (Lib., Thunder Bay-Atikokan) said the move was a necessary one.

“Today’s increase will make the minimum wage in Ontario the highest in Canada, and through legislation, we hope to provide predictability for employers going forward.  This increase to minimum wage is one of the measures we have introduced to support lower income earners, and is in stark contrast to the work of the previous government that froze minimum wage for nine years,” Mauro said in a release.

Minister of Northern Development and Mines Michael Gravelle said he’s been advocating for higher hourly wages for some time.

“Increasing the minimum wage will help improve the standard of living for hardworking people in Thunder Bay - Superior North while ensuring that local businesses have the predictability necessary to plan for the future,” he said.



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Alexa says:
HEY "Keith31" & Mutechirp" just to set the record straight for the couple of people who do not believe that a person that has a minimum wage job would not at least see some increases. I have a full time day job and a 2nd minimum wage job a few evenings a week. I have had the 2nd job for 15 years and the only raise I have ever had is when the minimum wage is increased.
my day job pays fairly well but as a single parent who raised 3 kids I work hard to own a house, pay taxes and set a good example for my kids.
1/31/2014 8:43:39 AM
mutechirp says:
That's why I said "most" businesses. I recognize that some min. wage employers won't give raises if they aren't required, and that's too bad.
1/31/2014 10:49:41 AM
rootbear says:
Oh no! My fav burger, the quarter pounder will be $3 now!!!
1/31/2014 8:39:44 AM
The Beaver..... says:
@fastball Are you sure you are playing on the same turf in the same stadium.?
The list of misdeeds are Ontario scandals and underhanded tricks performed by McGuinty and Comp. that managed to plunge Ontario in to an insolvent like status.
1/31/2014 8:33:40 AM
Curious says:
I really do agree that it needs to be increased, but with that along comes the consequences. Small businesses are already taxed to the hilt, so with this your cup of coffee etc with go up - and i personally don't mind, but i am concerned that some of these low income jobs will be cut - therefore forcing them to go on welfare.
1/31/2014 7:24:08 AM
TWM says:
Wage subsidies & tax breaks for companies from government to compensate a low wage is wrong. It takes the onus of paying your employees a decent wage off them and puts it squarely on the shoulders of tax payers. If you're in business, pay your employees a decent wage and don't expect the tax payers to pay your employees for you.
1/31/2014 7:09:45 AM
peas08 says:
I am tired of people saying that minimum wage jobs are no brainers and that the amount of money one makes somehow reflects how hard you work.
1/30/2014 8:36:03 PM
hotchoc says:
Amazing--first. This IS the highest in the land. Nunavet is also at the same rate. What a dumb posting. 2nd-the rate hasn't been frozen for 9 years. It has been frozen since 2010.
3rd-almost everyone was calling for an increase. They gave one that even business supports. SDuncan, get over it.
4th-Had they not done anything. People would have yelled. They did something. People yell. What complainers we are.
5th-This group Poverty free is an NDP front. The President works in John Rafferty's office. She is trying to once again run to be the MPP. Some agenda she has going there.
6th-I love Robinson's comments about the opposition. Well Mr. Hudak, what's your call. The Chamber of Commerce supports this move. They are the business owners. Do you support it. Ms. Howarth-do you support it, or do you want more. Tell us. 7th-If it costs 10c more for coffee, a penny for fuel, or 15 cents on a burger, fine. Grow up. 8-cops/fire comment. I agree. They get all the cash all the time. It stinks
1/30/2014 6:52:51 PM
festus says:
I do agree it might be time for a small rise in minimum-wage. I think that it should be forced across the board. not right for people who make slightly above minimin and know they are back at the bottom of the wage scale.
1/30/2014 6:22:03 PM
Countrygril89 says:
Wow the hike has really stirred up a rage in you people that clearly make more than minimum wage or own businesses. I understand the struggle for owners of small businesses with dealing with the minimum wage hike my husband has a business so I get that. However I work 3 minimum wage jobs that's right 3!!! When my husband's company is down during select time in the year due to weather we rely on my wages. Between the 3 jobs I have to work 7 days a week often 10 hour shifts and I still can barely support the 2 of us during his off time. I did not quit school actually I went all the way I have 2 degrees and could not get a job in my fields because you need to have a personal connection with someone in order to get a job in Thunder Bay even if you're more qualified then the other contenders is comes down to who you know. So clearly I worked hard through school and all my jobs and I still make minimum wage what have I done to you people to not deserve the right to live?
1/30/2014 6:03:10 PM
fastball says:
Did any of those two degrees involve requiring punctuation?
1/30/2014 10:15:29 PM
pc says:
Stop your bellyachin. I have a degree and I could not use it. Paid off the student loan raised 2 children helped with university and college for both of them. All on one salary.
We opened a business where I was the sole employee so yes I worked long hours sometimes with no money coming in so my husbands salary went to pay for the store and me a wage which went to groceries. Sort of Peter paying Paul.
With health issues any savings we had are going to modifying our home and life style, all of which cost money. We will have to sell our house which is paid for so we can find one with a single level and adapt it to handicapped useable. More money to spend. Just when we think we can have a better more relaxed retirement in the near future.
No gov. hand outs plus now the Libs don't even send an envelope for travel grant forms. Just another minor expense added to the growing list.
We move to where the jobs are and always have and that is one of the reasons I could not use my degree.
2/4/2014 7:38:47 AM
socialist_fool says:
There is so much ignorance in the upper-middle class population regarding this increase. Most minimum wage workers DO work very hard - many work multiple jobs, then go home and support their families as best they can with their measly earnings. Most of the wealthy in this country had certain privileges, allowing them to begin their life of hard work and reap the benefits of such. Too many people are the victims of all kinds of social inequality - racism, sexism, classism - which puts them at a disadvantage right from the start of their own hard working life. Minimum wage workers are not lazy charity grabbers - they have all kinds of expenses to pay for just like the wealthy do (except their spending is necessities rather than luxuries) and after all those expenses they are usually left with NOTHING to save to give themselves a better life. Education isn't cheap, and you need one to get a decent paying job.

Oh, and S. Duncan - feel free to gag yourself with your petty reasoning.
1/30/2014 5:05:50 PM
pc says:
Too many people are the victims of all kinds of social inequality - racism, sexism, classism - which puts them at a disadvantage right from the start of their own hard working life.
There are many who over come difficulties like these and so many more.
I do not speak as one of the so called privileged few. My father was dyslexic and he started his own business's. He made money but we were far from wealthy.
My son is also dyslexic and he is a teacher and runs a business on the internet besides.
You do what you have to do to get ahead in life and stop whining about what you don't have and work to get what you want. Stop asking the tax payers to support you in the style you think you deserve.
It is the whiners who elect people like McGuinty, Winnie and probably Justin.
Do you think they had parents who struggled and therefore they were deprived? I know Justin certainly wasn't.
Living on 1 pay cheque meant we made cuts to our lifestyle and moved to the jobs.
Do what it takes.
2/4/2014 11:50:25 AM
Tachyion says:
Quite the timing for this as Sears and Best Buy/Future shop drop hundreds of jobs across the province and
get ready to pay a little extra for that Latte come July.
1/30/2014 4:58:15 PM
CM Punk says:
Need to add another comment here.
This is supposed to be a great country to live in and have a high standard of living, etc. etc.
Canada is not even in the top ten anymore in that department.

Question why a nation with only 35 million still has people living in poverty.
But the federal government does not mind giving $66 million to Jordan and overall over $100 million in aid to help the Syria situation.

Yeah! That makes sense.
1/30/2014 3:52:29 PM
Tachyion says:
I would suppose that in some cases we actually give money to countries that would like to see our way of life destroyed. Crazy stuff, but then again it's the government's money which was originally yours. It's like the government matching your donations to numerous charities with your own money ( you are the government, politicians work for you....HA, HA, I made a funny. ). Will the people ever challenge the government on this blatant abuse of taxpayers dollars.....citizens are sheep being tended by the shepherd of government.
1/30/2014 5:09:53 PM
countrychick says:
I just got a raise at my work and I guess in one way I am now 75 cents closer to minimum wage then I was ... so do I get another 75 cent raise as well... probably not .. I think we should ALL get a 75 cent raise then despite what we currently make only seems fair to me....
1/30/2014 3:41:38 PM
noront says:
Why did I even take the time and money to go through years of training if minimum wage is going to catch up with mine? It will soon be time to quit my technical job and go work at some no brain job for what its worth. I don't need the headaches of being a professional if I can make close to the same after tax money and flip burgers or pack groceries. It will save a whole lot of stress.
1/30/2014 3:22:57 PM
fastball says:
If your professional job pays, after tax, close to what a minimum wage worker takes home - well, I respectfully suggest that you picked the wrong profession.
Time to go get that no-brain job...seems you've got the qualifications already.
1/30/2014 5:40:58 PM
festus says:
It may not be the wrong profession but simply the wrong marketplace to have that job. My $14/Hour job hear would pay close to $18/Hours in a bigger market. (Toronto,Calgary,Vancouver)
1/30/2014 6:14:22 PM
MasterDebater says:
This is just too bad for everyone who fought hard for that raise to 11/hr this past year! I really don't see enough positives increasing minimum wage. Professionals trying to break into their careers making 25-30K salary, that works out to less than the 10/hr if based on the time they invest at their jobs. This is just some affirmative action nonsense...
1/30/2014 2:58:31 PM
CM Punk says:
To Who Cares, there is a flaw in your argument.
One, education does not guarantee a job.
University and College only care about bottom line and making money.
It does not guarantee you greener pastures and singing like the sound of music film.

I know people who did not even finish high school and made over $30/hr via a trade or hard industrial work. Mind you that would not happen today but these people are well off with no schooling involved there.

Moving to a bigger city does not guarantee a better life either. Cities like Toronto and Vancouver or even Calgary for that matter have made it impossible for the average person to love there.

As one friend told me, he came back here six months after being in Calgary. Rather make 40k here then 85k there.
1/30/2014 2:14:54 PM
The Beaver..... says:

The EHealth scandal
- The slush fund scandal
- The lottery corp scandals
- The CancerCare scandal
- The MPAC scandal
- The Children's Aid scandal
- The hospital consultants scandal
- The Niagara Parks Commission scandal
- The tire tax
- The electronics tax
- The cheap beer surtax
- The hidden hydro tax
- The planned hidden gas tax
- The 'smart meter' tax
- The 'Eco' tax
- The auto pension bailouts
- The Nortel pension bailouts
- No reduction in HST despite $4.3 Billion from the feds
- The forcing of WSIB on all construction owners
- The staggering increase in the Sunshine List
- The failure at Caledonia
- Selling out to the teachers & civic unions
- The blatant Nanticoke lie
- The squandering of record revenues
- The nanny-state banning of nearly everything
- The billion-dollar-per-year burden of Family Day
- The billion-dollar flip-flop on The Oakville gas plant - Saddling rate-

There is your Liberal record
1/30/2014 1:23:56 PM
fastball says:
So basically...stuff that's a "tax" is a scandal. Stuff that you don't agree with is a scandal.
I guess you've been living under a rock for the past 8 years with the Cons in government. Ever heard of the Senate and their expenses?
Ever heard of Nigel Wright?
Ever heard of Irving Gerstein or Bruce Carson? Ever heard of robocalls in the 2011 election? Hell, you MUST have heard of Rob and Doug Ford...the Dumb and Dumber of the Conservative Party?
Maxine Bernier?
Proroguing Parliament whenever questions get too hot? Twice?
Bev Oda?
I can't even begin to comment on forcing WSIB on employers. Stupid workers getting hurt, right? Pisson'em all.
The Sunshine list is so highly populated because employers, having cut their payroll to the bone - find it cheaper to pay a guy overtime than to hire a replacement. How much of a policeman's or firefighters' pay is regular pay, and how much is OT? It's staggering.
I could do this all day...but it's just too easy.

1/30/2014 4:03:49 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
At least the Beaver stated everything at the provincial level. But you fastball just lump everything together. What does the Senate have to do with the provincial gov? What about Rob Ford? He's a Mayor! Proroguing Parliament and Nigel Wright is Federal. If you can't distinguish between Federal, Provincial, and cities then you don't add to the discussion. You just hate Conservatives. Good post Beaver!
1/31/2014 8:07:08 AM
Luxe says:
As a small business, I all ready do pay above the current and proposed minimum wage hike, and I hire mostly students, with no skills that apply to the industry I am in ahead of time. I'm just glad that they didn't do the proposed hike to $14.00 all at once. My business involves me giving quotes for a year away. If they had a controlled and timed hike, it would allow me to factor in the costs of labor. If it had gone through at $14.00 and hour, it would have forced me to raise my prices by over $350.00 per job.
1/30/2014 1:02:47 PM
Who-cares says:
Stay in school, get an education, work your butt off and get a decent paying job. If you can't find a job where you live, move to where you can find one. Why should I do all of the above including spending my time just scraping by to make ends meet. Just so the uneducated, lazy, drop out of school good for nothing person can cry poor me? Maybe you should have listened to your parents, teachers, etc that told you to stay in school and get an education so that you could earn a decent living, instead of relying on others to provide you with one. In the end we all pay more in terms of higher taxes and reduced buying power, not to mention all of the local small business that will close because of it. Have fun working at the big box stores where you are nothing more than just a payroll number.
1/30/2014 1:00:34 PM
rootbear says:
On one hand I agree that people should not have to live in poverty, that they should be able to afford clothing and good food....but, the other hand is going to put a strain on the smaller employer. Product costs continue to rise, utilities, rent, taxes and now this? The only way the business can survive is by, you guessed it, raising prices. Will the Dollar Store be changing it's name?
1/30/2014 12:19:09 PM
DRL1979 says:
I think it is fair to raise the minimum wage up to $11/hr. Is it enough to make a difference? I highly doubt it. It won't be long before we are raising it again. In the end all we are doing is devaluing jobs that pay higher such as $17/hr and more. If we raise the minimum wage to say $14/hr what does that do to the motivation of those working for just above that. Are they going to get a raise to boost their living circumstances?

Many jobs that pay better than minimum wage require some sort of post secondary education, such as trade school, college, etc. Now where is the incentive to get that education to get that better paying job, if those with out that education are getting just as much?

If you want a well paying job do the required work to earn that wage. If you are unable to get that education because you had kids early or what ever other reason there is, find a way, figure it out. Its time people start taking responsibility in their own hands.

1/30/2014 12:05:48 PM
nonsence says:
"Today’s increase will make the minimum wage in Ontario the highest in Canada"

Actually Nunavut already has $11/hr mininum wage.

Mr. Billy is wrong again!
1/30/2014 12:00:00 PM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
.... goodbye small business.
1/30/2014 11:55:55 AM
Tachyion says:
What a bunch of political prostitutes.....nothing is beyond their using of the populace to buy votes. Unfortunately an uneducated voter base will buy into it.
1/30/2014 11:23:51 AM
sd says:
Yes because every other political party is perfect and would never do anything in an attempt to buy votes approaching an election.
1/30/2014 11:23:13 AM
S Duncan says:
oh the liberals are buying votes again?

1/30/2014 11:08:54 AM
bttnk says:
S Duncan - Perhaps you have something more constructive to say? Just this once? Do you disagree with the minimum wage hike? Or just the timing? If so, why do you disagree?
1/30/2014 11:15:29 AM
S Duncan says:
I disagree. Minimum wage hikes cause inflation. They take away buying power of a dollar because its now worth less.

The value of a dollar relates to the effort it takes to get one. If its mandatory to just hand them over, the buying power decreases.

As well it will drive inflation. Employers that have minimum wage employees will have to get that money from somewhere. Just where do employers get their money from?

Their customers! So those customers will end up paying more money for the same service. The people earning that extra bit more will lose the buying power of that extra money with a net result of nothing good. Then, that prices our industry higher which makes it difficult to compete with other markets with people providing more for less. We lose again.

Now liberals raise it to buy the votes of the working poor. They will proclaim this wage hike from the highest election podium they can. Liberals will keep the public down by stifling fair wages and competition. OK?
1/30/2014 11:26:55 AM
fastball says:
Are not the working poor entitled to some consideration? Nine years frozen at the same wage? Would you be as clinically cold-blooded if it was you stuck at the same wage for a decade?
Yeah, they're the "working poor" - and they're entitled to some relief - as the price of everything goes up and the purchasing power of the dollar goes down.
There's going to be more and more of them, too - as the middle class slowly shrinks away, and more and more of our jobs are of the big-box/call centre, service industry, part-time, minimum wage variety.
1/30/2014 11:49:53 AM
S Duncan says:
The whole problem with your argument is you keep using the word "entitled".

You arent entitled to anything in life. It is up to you to go and seek prosperity. With this move all the liberal government has done is help give those people less reason and desire to go forth and prosper.

Its the "everybody gets a trophy" day again. A day where liberals lower the value of a trophy because everybody gets one. If everybody gets a trophy where is the motivation to earn one?

That is why the liberal party is the working poor's worst enemy. They pretend to help you but all they do is keep you down and take away your motive to do better. The reason the middle class is disappearing is because too many people are settling for mediocrity like this.

and its the liberals that are providing that mediocrity.

My wage is tied to what I do. If I want more I have to perform more. I now will have to perform more to maintain the same buying power you and I used to have. Thanks liberals.
1/30/2014 12:12:01 PM
fastball says:
Quit focusing on the word "entitled" and refocus on "consideration".
I know you start salivating and going into full capitalist-mode whenever the word "entitled" appears - but I don't think it's totally out of line that the province's minimum wage SHOULD be reviewed every decade or so. We've provided the rich with every opportunity to make and keep as much money as they can possibly squeeze out of the system - yet you would begrudge the consideration of a raise averaging LESS THAN A DIME A YEAR for the past decade for the people who don't make the national average?

"A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization." Samuel Johnson - 1709-1784
1/30/2014 1:13:17 PM
S Duncan says:
If an empoyer is ordered by law to pay a ertain minimum wage, its no longer a "consideration" is it?

We also dont provide the rich with anything that the working dont get. The truth is people are rich because they most likely put in a lifetime of effort and sacrafice.

Why are some people entitled to other peoples money? because your very unliberal "liberal" government made it so? Do you hate freedom too?

You can change the word but its still obvious you think some people are entitled to the hard earned rewards of somebody else. There really shouldnt be any minimum wage. If people didnt want to do the job for the wage being offered, then the employer would have to pay more.

Instead you got mediocrity. Canada didnt become a great country because we wanted mediocrity. The entitlement attitude today is where all our problems stem from.

Whats wrong with earning your wage? and why should government tell you how much you need to pay for a job you need done?

please answer
1/30/2014 2:11:20 PM
smartguy83 says:
2 items.

1 - either prices WILL increase OR jobs will be eliminated.

2 - I agree with comments that no one is entitled to anything. There are many people who are stuck in better paying jobs but who have not received a wage for 5-10 years. It is not an uncommon occurrance...I'm not sure why minimum wage jobs are all of a sudden a priority.
1/30/2014 2:52:21 PM
smartguy83 says:
I retract this comment and any other comments I have made agreeing with this fool after reading his comments here:

1/30/2014 3:45:06 PM
S Duncan says:
The fact that you change your opinion in this story because you disagree with me on another story says more about your mentality than it does mine. Nice job of looking like a moron.
1/30/2014 5:27:25 PM
S Duncan says:
Im sure why minimum wage jobs are all of a sudden priority.

See my very first comment at the top of the thread.

Vote buying for the upcoming Spring election. You watch and see how they campaign on this issue.

Tachyion said it quite well.
1/30/2014 3:59:01 PM
fastball says:
Oh, you silly Pollyanna!
Of course the rich have access to financial realities of which the working poor can only dream. They've got every tax break and financial strategy that their accountants can dream up.
Some rich people got rich by hard work and sacrifice - that is probably correct. But we also have to protect ourselves from the sheer avarice and greed that the rich have demonstrated time and time again, in every country in the world, over generations of time.
Just like we wouldn't need unions if every employer was just as committed to his workers' welfare as he was his bottom line...we also wouldn't need any minimum wage legislation if the lowest paid among us were guaranteed a living wage. Most of our employers now are nameless, faceless corporations that will pay only what they are legally obligated to pay.
Reaganomics was the biggest economic farce ever perpetuated on the North American people.
1/30/2014 3:20:18 PM
TWM says:
If there was no minimum wage, I shudder to think what employers would be willing to pay. There are laws/requirements for collecting EI, social assistance that would force you to accept these low paying jobs and w/o minimum wage.. wow. The tax breaks and loop holes provided big business aren't there for the average guy who doesn't have government bending over backwards to serve them like big business does. Your problem is you think government is in control, well, they're not. Unpaid Internships should be illegal but government won't stop it and that's what you'd be working for w/o minimum wage. Entitlement?.. we are entitled to some things, when we entered a social contract to let government control society, we gave up some rights but fully expect some rights and protection in return for that.Your "survival of the fittest" mentality is alright if there are no laws to adhere to but there are and big business benefits from them. What's wrong with helping out your fellow man/woman?
1/31/2014 6:57:31 AM
Decide says:
Finally, you make a post that makes my day. Using your argument that we aren't entitled to anything in life, then that would also include you not being entitled to protection offered by the Criminal Code, therefore, I can walk up to you and drive you in the head. With no penalty. Simple. You are also not entitled to protection by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so I can freely discriminate against you. That is your argument, and you have won it. "No one is entitled to anything in life". I love it.
1/30/2014 4:48:07 PM
keiths31 says:
Nine years frozen at the same wage? Give me a break. Show me one company that has not given a raise to any of their employees after nine years. All companies, regardless of big box or small corner stores give their employees raises. If they have not received a raise in nine years...then they probably didn't deserve one.
1/30/2014 12:43:46 PM
mutechirp says:
Nine years frozen at the same wage - that's a little misleading. I've worked minimum wage jobs before - it's not like you never get a raise. Hard work and dedication = more money, even in many businesses where you start at the minimum.
1/30/2014 3:03:43 PM
unknowncronik says:
so the firefighters n cops with their raises every year cause inflation your saying??
1/30/2014 11:58:54 AM
progress now says:
A good case to make employees pay for their jobs.
1/30/2014 10:15:05 PM
S Duncan says:
I hope that helps to clarify my position on the matter. Your comment deserved a proper response and I hope I gave you one.
1/30/2014 11:28:40 AM
sky high says:
Don't bother asking him a constructive question because he's just trolling. The truth of the matter is that he's probably ecstatic that min wage went up because now his disposable income will increase-but he'll never tell you that.
I'm glad the minimum wage went up. Now it's time to set a maximum wage as well. Doctors, politicians and athletes first. Within each industry of course.
1/30/2014 11:30:17 AM
Undrgrnd says:
You're giving him far too much credit. It probably took him all morning just to come up with that seven word zinger.

I'm just happy there are no spelling mistakes. Sure, the "o" in "oh" should be capital, followed by a comma but hey lets not be picky here...

1/30/2014 11:44:46 AM
S Duncan says:
I hate to keep talking, Im even wearing myself out here but theres one more point that makes this a political agenda you need to consider.

As dumb as liberals are, they know this will drive inflation. It will cause people to pay more for the same things they got before.

When people pay more, they pay more tax. That means the liberal government cheapens the debt by artificially getting you and I to pay more on a debt incurred under previous economic conditions.

for example, if you lent me 100K today, and tomorrow we have hyper inflation when I give you that 100K back, its not worth as much as it used to be.

The liberals end up paying down debt by causing inflation. They devalue the money you have in your pocket and then take more taxes from you when you buy something that just got inflated.

It makes Ontario less business competitive than a province with a lesser wage. A factory in Alta can make the same widget for less than Ontario.

Where will the jobs go?

Liberals are bad.
1/30/2014 2:36:22 PM
workingman says:
Those votes will come pretty cheap as that will raise a 40 hour a week wage by a whopping $30.00. The sky will indeed fall as the devastating impact of that massive increase will crush businesses beneath the heels of the oppresive government.Sarcasm.
1/30/2014 3:56:23 PM
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