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2014-02-01 at 11:15

Gas release

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By tbnewswatch.com

Residents across the city’s south side reported foul odours of gas early Friday evening, which have been traced to an area mill.

Officials with Thunder Bay Fire Rescue say they began receiving calls at 7:30 p.m. alerting them to strong odours of gas from the Westfort area and into the East End.

Upon investigating the odour fire crews were able to trace the source to the Resolute Mill on Neebing Avenue where mill personnel informed them there had been a release of condensed non-combustible gas due to a kiln flame going out.

The gas is non-toxic and does not present any danger.

Fire officials added that weather conditions were a factor in the odour spreading over such a large area and that it was dissipated in approximately an hour.

The Ministry of the Environment was notified of the release.

Fire officials will not investigate the matter further.


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Tachyion says:
I thought it might have been methane gas coming from City Hall....but then I realized that city council was not in session.
2/1/2014 1:48:36 PM
sky high says:
More likely from the dozen or so cane-shakers that frequent this site
2/1/2014 4:35:01 PM
SomeGuy says:
It must be all the hot air they are full of.
2/2/2014 9:50:21 AM
det john kimble says:
A possible toxic gas release and you poo poo the whole thing..I think cane shakers are the best thing that ever happened to you, they protect all, including persons like you who have the intellect of a turtle and wouldn't complain if a mack truck drove through your pond.
2/2/2014 10:02:25 AM
unionbay880 says:
Well it smelled like poo poo anyway. The gas is non-toxic and does not present any danger. That means it is not a possible toxic gas release.
2/2/2014 1:36:00 PM
det john kimble says:
the mill has been fined after releasing toxic goo into the kam , so with them............
anything is possible.
2/2/2014 7:54:21 PM
Eastender says:
The usual nonsense gibberish from sky high.
2/2/2014 11:13:46 AM
moonpie says:
Awww you refer to yourself as a cane-shaker. That's sweet, sky high.
2/2/2014 1:20:16 PM
Tachyion says:
Exactly What or Who is a cane shaker?....third time I am attempting to get this responded to over the past nineteen hours? Moderator....whomever you are, let this question be answered by the poster.
2/2/2014 3:17:25 PM
Leith Dunick says:
There was a word you used in both your previous posts we'd prefer people not use in their comments. That's why it wasn't posted.
2/2/2014 5:00:40 PM
Tachyion says:
There has been words used in responses elsewhere that are nowhere near the opposite of "heaven"........Make sure you put this response in because you response implies a word, or words, that are truly offensive. The word I used is in most Holy Books on the planet.
2/2/2014 10:32:24 PM
Leith Dunick says:
Our site, our rules.
2/2/2014 10:44:23 PM
Tachyion says:
So sky high......where is your explanation of " cane shakers ".....if it is supposed to refer to seniors....bear in mind that many people use canes, including wounded soldiers who fought for this country. Furthermore "if" that was your intended meaning....next time you get a Birthday card or Christmas gift from your grandparents or parents ( depending on your age ) make sure you say " Thanks, you cane shakers ". Maybe it will entice them to give you a lump of coal at Christmas along with your card.
2/3/2014 2:05:58 PM
progress now says:
Gas releases, chemical releases, radiation releases - have you ever noticed they never ever seem to constitute a public health concern wherever they are reported?
2/1/2014 2:05:59 PM
sky high says:
Uh oh....what do you want to bet that there's a couple of local lawyers getting very excited about a potential class action lawsuit. "If you live in the East End and sneezed last night, join us for a big windfall guys".
2/1/2014 2:33:59 PM
Synical says:
Are you seriously equating a bad odor with people losing everything they spent their entire lives working for? With people losing their homes?

I assume your name on this site is a self description?
2/1/2014 11:19:57 PM
cariboukid says:
I fully understand the economic importance of this mill, but man, that place is disgusting.
2/1/2014 3:31:32 PM
Papercut says:
Don't worry.....wont harm you? Is the exact compound known?

2/1/2014 4:19:12 PM
westfortscum says:
They must be new to westfort cause that is a normal smell of the mill.
2/1/2014 5:38:29 PM
tsb says:
It was strong enough downtown and in the east end to make people gag. I've smelled the mill smell in Westfort, right by the mill on warm muggy days when it gets really bad, and this was hundreds of times worse. The mill usually smells just like broccoli. The smell last night was like having someone fart right in your face, it was terrible. At least it dissipated.
2/1/2014 7:47:50 PM
Cletus Van Damme says:
Of course, it was safe, why would anyone think otherwise? Jeeesh.... paranoid or what?!?!

The extremely high cancer rate in this area can't possibly have anything to do with the mill and it's towering spigot of unknown exhaust.

Dang worry warts!
2/1/2014 7:40:56 PM
gone for good says:
The gas is non-toxic and does not present any danger.
Thats what they told us about the So2 on the paper machines.
Now there has been over a dozen cancer related deaths from the people that worked there.
2/1/2014 8:47:38 PM
Who-cares says:
Yes the exact compound is known. If you had the smarts to read the article you would realize that it was stated. This isn't a normal smell, it was a result of 2 temporary equipment failures. Not to mention the MOE were notified. Also there are gas monitoring stations located in westfort and green acres area. If I were you I would be more worried about the several hundred crude oil tankers that were lined up along Gore St the other day. But you know it's easier to cry about a little smell from the mill. Perhaps we should bulldoze it and build more big box stores, that will provide hundreds of great paying minimum wage jobs, to help pay our skyrocketing cost of living here in Thunder Bay. If you don't like it move somewhere else.
2/1/2014 9:07:08 PM
jaxoon says:
Yes, the exact compound is known. No it isn't stated in the article. No, it isn't because of "2 temporary equipment failures". This is related to one specific equipment failure. The only reason the gas is not toxic is because it is so diluted.
2/2/2014 1:10:18 AM
S Duncan says:
Its the smell of the city's tax dollars venting to atmosphere.
2/1/2014 9:27:45 PM
SomeGuy says:
I knew we were missing the sound of a broken record.
2/2/2014 9:53:05 AM
alexa says:
well thankful that it was just "condensed non-combustible gas" and not some Wind Turbines!!!
2/2/2014 8:35:43 AM
mystified says:
Did some of you people just wake up?
This isn't the first ever blowdown from any of the mills that ever existed in the city, but some of you make it sound like a big deal. I'm sure if there was a chlorine or So2 leak the city would be notified.
It's the smell of prosperity.
2/2/2014 10:35:03 AM
Who-cares says:
Jaxoon. The leak was "non condensable gas" it was stated in the article and it was because of 2 temporary equipment failures, you don't operate a mill like this or industry without having fail safes built into the system. I guess you are like most on this site that proclaim to be experts on everything "Thunder Bay", but actually know very little about anything. Did you ever stop and think for a second, that I may be employed there and know what I'm talking about.
2/2/2014 12:32:25 PM
tsb says:
Regarding sulfur dioxide: Inhaling sulfur dioxide is associated with increased respiratory symptoms and disease, difficulty in breathing, and premature death.[31] In 2008, the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists reduced the short-term exposure limit from 5 ppm to 0.25 ppm. The OSHA PEL is currently set at 5 ppm (13 mg/m3) time weighted average. NIOSH has set the IDLH at 100 ppm.[32]

A 2011 systematic review concluded that exposure to sulfur dioxide is associated with preterm birth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide

The power plant is the largest potential source of sulfur dioxide in the city but its location, the height of its exhaust stack and the infrequency of use has reduced its emissions considerably. It's not extremely dangerous but it isn't benign either.

BoWater has to know exactly what this was, they've got it on hand for a reason and they're in charge of it.
2/2/2014 1:03:07 PM
gone for good says:
Wikipedia, now theres a credible reference.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit after that comment.
You must work for Bowater because your P.E.L. ( permissible exposure limit) does not include the T.W.A. (time weighted average) so it's moot.
Nice try buddy, nice try.
2/2/2014 8:39:52 PM
tsb says:
As you clearly don't know, Wikipedia is not a source of original research. It simply condenses research from a variety of sources (in the case of the sulphur dioxide article, 35 of them) into a single, easy to read article on the subject. That's also what encyclopedias do, but people don't seem to understand that very here.

[31] http://www.epa.gov/air/sulfurdioxide/

[32] http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0575.html

I don't work for BoWater.
2/2/2014 10:42:05 PM
gone for good says:
SO2 is o.k for you but you should see what it does to eyeglass frames and fillings. not to mention it causes galvanized fume and dryer hoods and doors to melt after about six months.
Some ppl are better off to just remain silent and remove all doubt.
2/2/2014 8:43:58 PM
tsb says:
You should see what lye does to aluminum.
2/2/2014 10:46:42 PM
Mazda323 says:
Bowater no longer exists. Neither do Great Lakes Paper or Avenor. It is Resolute Forest Products
2/4/2014 12:11:10 AM
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