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2014-02-10 at 20:59

Blockade threat

Former Fort William First Nation chief Peter Collins on Monday said a blockade of the James Street Swing Bridge might speed up CN
Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
Former Fort William First Nation chief Peter Collins on Monday said a blockade of the James Street Swing Bridge might speed up CN's progress on the fire-damaged span.
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By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

Former Fort William First Nation chief Peter Collins says it’s time to consider a blockade of CN rail traffic crossing the James Street Swing Bridge.

Collins was not alone in his sentiment Monday night as residents and business owners from both sides of the bridge gathered to voice their frustration with the fire-forced Oct. 29 closure.

“I think it’s time for the members to take action because we’re not getting the answers we need,” Collins said. “How long do we have to put up with this crock that they’ve got going on with those trains traveling across the bridge every day.”

It’s time for action, he added.

“I’m not sure what that action might be, but I think (it might be) blocking those trains crossing the bridge until we get an answer. If it’s not safe for our transportation to travel across there, how can it be safe for trains to travel across there?” Collins said.

“And if there’s a disaster with those trains falling in the river, who’s first impacted? That’s our community.”

Resident Marlene Pierre agreed.

“You better start saying blockade and I think this council should take the leadership and turn that into a plan,” Pierre said.

“I think a blockade is one of the better ways.”

According to figures provided to media at the meeting, the impact of the bridge closure has been staggering.

Walter Bannon said businesses on Fort William First Nation are losing a combined $50,000 a day, more than $5.2 million since the suspicious fire closed the century-old span.

“All of the businesses are down 40 per cent on average,” Bannon said. “Employment, wages, hours all have been reduced by 40 per cent.”

Jessie Bannon, who owns J&W Confection and Bannon’s Gas Bar, said her business is down 50 per cent and blamed the longer commute to the reserve as a direct result. If something isn’t done soon, she’s not sure what might happen.

“I don’t know. I think we’d have to almost pretty well close up, because (business) is going down,” she said.

Stores on the Thunder Bay side of the Kaministiquia River have also felt the pinch. A representative of Westfort Foods said his business is down 10 per cent since the fire, a figure replicated in three other stores surveyed.

May Keith Hobbs and Fort William First Nation Chief Georgjan Morriseau said they’ve each written to the Ministry of Transportation to try to speed up the process.

Hobbs said he even offered to pay half the cost of CN’s engineering study, due in March or April, despite the fact the railroad is responsible for the maintenance of the bridge.

“We need to light a fire under CN,” Hobbs said, adding he’s asked the MTO to look into the feasibility of a bailey bridge as a temporary replacement.

The mayor said the city has had an agreement with CN for nearly a century, but the original document referred mostly to horse-and-buggy traffic.

Morriseau said the debate is bigger than just her community.

“It’s not just a Fort William First Nation issue, it’s a Thunder Bay issue as well,” she said. “We’ve received not much of a response from CN ... I think we’ve waited around long enough. I think it’s safe to say businesses are being greatly impacted. We just want to see this bridge opened, now.”

CN representatives were invited to the meeting, but declined. They did say they’ve added extra consultants to the file.

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sandstorm says:
why does this always seems to be their answer? blocking private property.. they'll do it..and get away with it. IF I were to block the street infront of my house and refuse to move anything..watch how fast I'm cuffed and thrown in the back of a car.
2/10/2014 9:25:28 PM
j_northey says:
Given CN has an agreement to keep that road open and due to it being closed people on both sides are hurting I'd be wanting to block it as well. I'm surprised it has taken this long to be honest. CN is making money while claiming to be doing studies. Time for CN to feel the pinch as well, or they have to provide the community with solid evidence for why the bridge isn't open.
2/11/2014 7:51:37 AM
mystified says:
CN is not making a fortune servicing the industries on the south side of the river. If push comes to shove, CN could say "Up Your's" and close the bridge forcing FWFN and the city to build their own bridge.
2/11/2014 9:34:46 AM
unionbay880 says:
Can someone please produce evidence of this agreement? Everyone who quotes this document seems to insert different stipulations. Hobbs says the original document referred mostly to horse-and-buggy traffic. CN should re open the bridge to only horse and buggy then.
2/11/2014 2:36:19 PM
S Duncan says:
Id like to see it too. So far it seems like a "smart liberal".

A.K.A. Non-existant.
2/11/2014 5:10:19 PM
fairlane says:
Remember, CN is a business; not a government. Block the bridge, get charged. I hate to say it, but CN owes us and them nothing. It's been a nice convenience over the years, but they own it not the city or FWFN. If I were them, I'd talk nice.
2/11/2014 1:51:07 PM
Common cents says:
does that mean a 40% increase in income taxes?
2/11/2014 6:51:47 PM
mikevirtanen1961 says:
The Town paid a substantial part of the construction costs for the bridge. CN does owe us access as part of the deal they signed to get that money.
2/12/2014 9:35:52 AM
cm punk says:
FWFN plan on paying for a new bridge?
Put it on your wish list to city council because they have tons of money to spend.
2/10/2014 9:38:30 PM
S Duncan says:
Be careful. Most of us know youre being sarcastic, but Hobbs has already offered to give away our money to help CN fund their own engineering study.

Not sure where he gets off doing that one. CN has plenty of their own money Keith. Don't go throwing ours away on issues that are not yours to be paying for.

Also, it seems that the iron clad agreement with CN doesn't hold much water because it was for horse and buggy traffic, not the vehicles and volume it sees today.

Leave the bridge closed. Theres a perfectly acceptable provincial hwy system in place they can use.

If you don't like it FWFN, move!
2/10/2014 10:35:11 PM
mutechirp says:
A blockade? What a childish suggestion. That would just be embarrassing for our community.
2/10/2014 9:39:23 PM
itmatters says:
I would like to hear from those who would support such a ridiculous action as a blockade of the bridge. Go around or purchase things from the other retailers in the City. If the bridge needs to be build I feel the businesses who need the service should pay for it. Just thought I would get the ball rolling.
2/10/2014 9:46:32 PM
j_northey says:
So, if the area of town you live in was blocked off on one end (the main one) and the other was very inconvenient for you to use would you be in favor of spending your own money to re-open it? Or if where you worked was blocked off in all but one direction that added 10-15 minutes to your daily commute would you be A-OK with that too? Somehow I doubt it.
2/11/2014 7:55:15 AM
smartguy83 says:
10-15 minutes is nothing. If the FN wants to somehow outlaw CN from using the land I'd be fine with that. Don't put up a blockade, that's just a terrible way to get attention.

The FN (in essence Fed Gov't) is responsible for providing their residents (band members) with access to their land. I don't think CN or the City should have to spend any money to provide a 2nd access point.

As far as I know these FN businesses get the majority of their business from Fuel and tobacco sales, which is border line illegal to begin with.

Please don't come crying to the City for money. Businesses on the City side of the river arguing their sales are down is almost laughable. Westfort foods sales are down? How? So the FN people stopped buying groceries and starting growing their own crops and hunting more for their meat? They still have to grocery shop....could just be more distributed over the City.
2/11/2014 10:48:39 AM
j_northey says:
Actually, CN _IS_ responsible for providing access last I heard. There was an agreement to have use of that bridge (or right of way or land or whatever) they had to provide access for vehicles and people. I know many agreements with First Nations have been ignored over the years, but c'mon if an agreement is made (and it is) then you follow through with it. I'd like to hear what penalties are in that agreement and see them applied ASAP.

As to the city - Thunder Bay should not be spending money on the CN bridge or studies for it, that is CN's responsibility. A study on building a new bridge? Sure. Some of the cash for a new bridge? Sure, I could see it (same as it is with roads etc.) But not for the CN one unless CN negotiates with the city in good faith and provides some benefit to the town in exchange.
2/11/2014 2:45:47 PM
unknowncronik says:
unsure how a 5 minute detour turns into 15 mins....u a politician behind this name?

2/11/2014 12:01:27 PM
j_northey says:
Check Google Maps - 13 minutes from one side of the bridge to the other (Google now doesn't list the rail bridge for cars).
2/11/2014 2:49:32 PM
unknowncronik says:
so do you usually stop at the old bridge site before taking the detour route to the reserve???

doubt it...

recalculate & let me know.
2/11/2014 7:02:08 PM
pylon says:
I wonder what the trade off on those percentages works out to for the economy in the city then.... If you're talking about 40% of the fuel business, that means that it's staying in the city and making fuel tax income.. This isn't a bad thing for Thunder Bay but it would be interesting to see how the trade-off goes..

Also I don't think that FWFN all of a sudden stopped eating so it's likely that the 10% is just being diverted..

A question though, I don't smoke but is it in fact legal for a non-status person to buy DK/Putters/whatever cigarettes on reserve?
2/10/2014 9:47:31 PM
smartguy83 says:
No it is illegal.
2/11/2014 10:51:31 AM
S Duncan says:
A blockade?

That would be illegal, wouldn't it? Newswatch, are you partaking in incitement of illegal activity?

but seriously now, they're all restless and want to do something, but not one of them suggests actually building their own bridge, do they?

The bridge is on city land. That land is owned by Thunder Bay. It is not FWFN property, nor is it their bridge. Nor is it legal for them to advocate a blockade since that itself would be illegal.

We always hear about the concern of their traditions. Well, whats their traditional way of crossing the water? Is it to beg CN to build you a bridge?

or was it something else?

2/10/2014 9:52:45 PM
Eastender says:
Depends on what you are protesting.
These people would be protesting a grave injustice being done to their ability to earn a livelihood. The injustice being the delay in assessing the damage and feasibility of repair and reinstatement of the roadway portion of the bridge to a serviceable condition. If you build your life around certain conditions which make your existance possible, you have a reasonable expectation that those conditions should remain in place. Negligence of CN to put that bridge back in service is not a reasonable excuse, therefore CN has an obligation and responsibility to reinstate those conditions that allowed this community to become what it is, if it is reasonable to do it. Ignoring, and procrastination of a response is negligence of their responsibility.
You cant put a sizeable segment of a community in jail for seeking justice.
2/11/2014 9:07:47 AM
Eastender says:
Assuming that you live or at least frequent the East end often, judging from many of your previous posts, what if the Pacific avenue bridge was removed from service and you had a busuness there, and now your livelihood is threatened because, well its too far for your customers to drive. Would you not have some reasonable expectation of a good reason why that bridge wasn't being put back in service?

Regardless of wether the FWFN are in the city limits or not, they are part of this community, and have a right to be treated with respect and dignity.

This attitude of "hoist the ladder mates, I'm on board" will not be tolerated by progressive members of this community.

Protests and blockades, sometimes are the only way of getting the attention of that great insensitive corporate blob.
2/11/2014 9:22:34 AM
S Duncan says:
the Pacific Ave overpass was closed for a long time back in the mid to late 80's if I remember correct. All East End traffic had to go around to Main St. for several months.

Did the East Enders want to blockade city hall?

no. they did what East Enders do. They persevere.
2/12/2014 9:16:24 AM
Eastender says:
Because the closure of the Pacific Ave. bridge was for reconstruction, and the work was progressing as per schedule. Not like the CN bridge, where The company is dragging their feet in the hope that they will never have to ever replace the roadway, unless somebody else pays for it. Not a valid comparison SD.
2/12/2014 12:13:53 PM
S Duncan says:
The bridge was under reconstruction because it was our bridge. We paid for its construction and we're paying for the repairs. It is our bridge. We manage it, we take care of it and up until recently we used to have city workers(that we paid for) with wheelbarrows cleaning up the garbage and sweeping the sidewalks.

Thats what you can do when its YOUR bridge.

Now, who owns Cn's bridge? Who pays to use it? Who pays to look after it? Who's schedule do they have to meet with on the repairs?

and some entitled people have the nerve to talk about blockading it? Really? They get to use the bridge free of charge and free of maintenance costs but they call for a blockade and decry the speed the owners are working at to (possibly) fix it?

Thats a lot of entitlement issues!

You brought up the East End Bridge as a comparisson and perhaps its not a fair one because we own that bridge so we have a say in it.

FWFN dont own the swing bridge nor the land its on plus they use it for free
2/12/2014 2:06:15 PM
young&concerned says:
I was really hopping that was the last we would see of Collins with the introduction of Chief Georjann Morriseau!
2/10/2014 10:06:06 PM
combatwombat says:
I would like to see a blockade , I mean a little civil disobedience once in awhile is healthy no??
Well most of us talk tough but run when it comes to showing what we believe in, and yes I am guilty of that as well.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see what CN does? Call the City Police, what are they going to do, throw picketers in jail...nope..
It will send a message.
I mean we all talk a big story and get tough on the net but we are all a bunch a weak kneed whiners when it comes to action.
2/10/2014 10:06:53 PM
jimmyboy says:
"Hobbs said he even offered to pay half the cost of CN’s engineering study"....sorry to inform you HOBBS but that is not a promise or deal you alone can make or offer..!!!
2/10/2014 10:54:47 PM
Eastender says:
It would not take this long to determine wether the supports for the roadway sections of that bridge are in a safe condition. The roadway was wood but the support structure I believe is steel. If the weight of loaded trains and diesel engines can be supported, why not vehicles. CN is stalling. Horse buggys or modern cars, whats the difference, the roadway is still there, all it needs is to resurface and/or replace the old wooden roadbed. If there is more that is wrong, then come out and give a report on the findings of the consultants. How many consultants does it take? Reinforce it with more steel, and put the roadbed back in. Its a matter of money not the number of consultants.
2/10/2014 11:41:07 PM
Watchful says:
It is a rail train owned by C N, not the people. If we cannot afford a new bridge, then put lights up on the highway. That would ensure some safety and allow people to travel there again. A blockade is ridiculous.
Hey, the city has tons of money so just pick a site and we can build a new one. Tax payers won't mind at all after all, the young people tell us expand or leave, so let's expand.
2/10/2014 11:45:20 PM
Eastender says:
Depends on what you are protesting.
These people would be protesting a grave injustice being done to their ability to earn a livelihood. The injustice being the delay in assessing the damage and feasibility of repair and reinstatement of the roadway portion of the bridge to a serviceable condition. If you build your life around certain conditions which make your existance possible, you have a reasonable expectation that those conditions should remain in place. Negligence of CN to put that bridge back in service is not a reasonable excuse, therefore CN has an obligation and responsibility to reinstate those conditions that allowed this community to become what it is, if it is reasonable to do it. Ignoring, and procrastination of a response is negligence of their responsibility.
You cant put a sizeable segment of a community in jail for seeking justice.
2/11/2014 9:04:05 AM
Synical says:
CN is responsible for the bridge. CN is stalling on that responsibility. That stall is costing businesses money, on both sides of the bridge.

I support the blockade.
2/11/2014 12:08:34 AM
tbay1 says:
I have being watching the comments over this issue for quite some time and I find it hard to believe that people really think CN should speed up the study or honestly people are requesting that CN ahould build a bridge. CN is a publicly traded company withd shareholder interests and really are not in the business on providing access for automotive traffic regardless of where the destination maybe.

On the blockade issue....really come on now.
2/11/2014 12:13:02 AM
j_northey says:
CN is using public land for that bridge. When built they agreed to allow traffic over it. If they don't like that agreement then they should try to renegotiate it, not just ignore it and hope it goes away. If I make a legal agreement I can expect consequences for not living up to it. CN is not getting any consequences right now, so the people who live and work in that area need to put pressure on. Our city officials seem to want to subsidize CN (fix the road or we will give you money isn't much of a threat). I prefer it costing CN money until they put a solid plan into place.
2/11/2014 7:58:48 AM
Eastender says:
CN got permission to build this bridge on city owned land on the condition that they also provide for vehicular traffic. A fire does not relieve them from that obligation.
2/11/2014 11:50:01 AM
smartypants says:
think time is sooner rather than later, for sure.

I would think that blocking the railway would primarily prevent lumber from leaving the sawmill where many from both sides of the bridge are employed.

Maybe I'm confused but how does not going to these places affect CN ?
2/11/2014 1:58:13 AM
glass half full says:
"I think it’s time for the members to take action because we’re not getting the answers we need"

That shows the mentality these days.

What would be the reaction if CN comes out and says " NO REBUILD " ?

This bridge is a convenience not a necessity. EMS response times are not a good enough excuse
2/11/2014 7:41:09 AM
ou812 says:
TBAYNEWSWATCH, why do you include "I don't know" for your polls? What's the point?
2/11/2014 8:23:29 AM
Sprague Street Superman says:
They do that just for you because there's so much you "don't know".
2/11/2014 3:15:01 PM
donnybrook says:
I doubt there's anything you know that's of any importance to anyone, except maybe your other personalities.
2/11/2014 6:14:45 PM
jonthunder says:
With or without a bridge for vehicle traffic, improvements are urgently needed to Hwy. 61 and the Ontario government has not a moment to wait if it cares about our safety and commerce.
2/11/2014 8:37:52 AM
ThinkAboutIt! says:
A blockade will only cause substantial financial loss for the businesses which exist based on the availability of rail transportation across this bridge. There are no other rail routes to those businesses. These businesses which will be affected by the blockade will in turn layoff workers until they are able to ship their product. Given the size of CN, the loss of these customers will not make any significantly noticeable impact on their bottom line. CN would be happy to have this bridge removed from it's inventory as at some point they will have to replace this structure at astronomical cost, which is a total loss for them in the scope of the small revenue from the small number of rail customers requiring it. So, perhaps we should not be interfering with business if our reason for engaging CN is the argument that our business is being impacted by the present situation. We cannot afford to build our own, so work positively with CN, it costs us $0 if they repair it, dearly if not.
2/11/2014 8:45:21 AM
stonecutter says:
I would not blockade the bridge.

I would set up a blockade somewhere that shuts down the whole thing.

...if I was setting up a blockade...
2/11/2014 9:03:12 AM
dozerman says:
It is private property. It is their decision. If FWFN wants a new bridge then go after the city or the government. Or perhaps a toll bridge could be added. We all know that it would come to this point someday. Should have been prepared and have an alternate route!
2/11/2014 9:15:30 AM
bacon says:
No matter what your views on a blockade, even just talking about it is going to get CN's attention. They need to be given an insentive to stop stalling.
2/11/2014 9:52:38 AM
varga says:
I think people are missing the root of the issue. There is a LONG standing agreement that states CN is responsible for maintaining public travel over the bridge. They have neglected this bridge for many years to begin with and now they are delaying and not informing about the process. The time delays could be more easily digested, perhaps, if CN would be more transparent about where they are in the process. Not sending a representative to this open house is a flagrant act of disrespect toward FWFN as well as the City of Thunder Bay and only shows that they do not care. If this were happening in our neighbourhoods we would already be staging a blockade but, while some ignoramuses are speaking in "probablies" and rhetoric; I probably wouldn't have to do this at all in my neighbourhood.
I think a blockade is an excellent way for those in the community that is undeniably being affected by this to at least get the answers they want from CN. CN could likely stop this with a simple gesture.
2/11/2014 10:12:16 AM
EJJ331 says:
I want to know how a blockade that utilizes a system to transport goods and services to your brother and sister communities serves this purpose? Would you not be affecting the human rights to other sister aboriginal communities in doing so? There are Aboriginal communities that heavily rely on CN rail for these goods and services as there is no other way to obtain them, blocking your own is not a helpful way to get the point across. Why is there no suggestion for Thunder Bay and FWFN to build their own bridge instead of an overly expensive event center that would be to expensive for most citizens to utilize or horrible art that makes the city look more like a junk yard? One of OUR (Thunder Bay/FWFN) members burnt the bridge and not CN why should CN afford the privilege again to our citizens when it was abused in the first place? I wouldn't build another bridge if mine was burnt. I agree with CN we are on our own...time to have our citizens work together and build our own solution!!
2/11/2014 10:53:54 AM
conker2012 says:
Thunder bay gains nothing by building a bridge to FWFN. The cost to build such a bridge would make the event center costs look like a drop in the bucket. The cities contribution to the event center is ~$30M while a bridge to cross the KAM would be $50M to $150M. There is no significant benefit for the city to have access at James Street. There is only 6 tax paying businesses along the south side of the river and there is already access from highway 61. Without something like a mineral processing plant with hundreds of jobs there is no reason for thunder bay to build a bridge out there. FWFN got $140Million for Pie island not that long ago, how bout they rebuild their own new bridge.
2/11/2014 1:57:06 PM
Dave78 says:
Did anyone else laugh at the irony of Keith Hobbs saying "We need to light a fire under CN"?
2/11/2014 11:36:19 AM
rootbear says:
yup..poor choice of words!
2/11/2014 12:08:53 PM
moi says:
LOL..."Foot meet Mouth".
Obviously the mayor never subscribed to the old saying-- "Best to remain quiet and leave them guessing,than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Seriously--as another poster mentioned,it seems like the FN's only know one word--blockade.Nothing like a little grandstanding eh Peter Collins? CN owes the city and the chief absolutely NOTHING...they can choose to never fix it (the bridge) as to allow vehicular traffic. And there wouldn't be thing one that either the city or the reserve could do about it. A blockade?...What an embarrassment.But then again..this is Blunder Bay,where the city council will spend big bucks on useless bent light poles rather than on infrastructure.By all means,drag CN into court,and see how far you'd get with that.
2/11/2014 6:36:17 PM
SpenZA!! says:
i find it absurd on how uneducated people of this city are when it comes to first nation issues, and have this assumption that they are doing buisness illegally...and when it comes for you to put your two cents in you know it all and these ingnorant remarks and point of views the public has, that just comfirms to first nation people the racism and abuse that is happening in this city,please keep the comments going i like reading them for a good laugh...smiling and laughter is good for you!
2/11/2014 12:26:22 PM
young&concerned says:
I was wondering when I would see the "R" word!

I bet if you like these posts...you would love the ones that did happen to make it through!

2/11/2014 2:06:18 PM
Killer says:
People Stop & Think For A Minute,

There is viable route and bridge already connecting to the reserve. So you have to drive an extra ten minutes to get there big deal. The bridge belongs to CN and they can do whatever the hell they want with it, If the reserve is so desperate pay for the repairs out of the land settlements you received over the last five to ten years. I for one don't give a rats ass if that bridge is fixed or not I'll go the little longer way just don't jake up my taxes to fix a private business property because if we go there then I have a house that could use some repairs on the tax payer's dime..
2/11/2014 2:05:23 PM
jethro says:
how bout a new bridge way east of current one, end of syndicate or mckellar island would allow trucks a better route out main st????? All parties could pitch in, fwfn, city, fed govt etc,etc,, in future one bridge goes down we d still have a back up!!!
2/11/2014 4:47:21 PM
albertabound says:
Unfortuately that intersection at Chippawa Road and Highway 61 is very dangerous is all this extra traffic. Some one is going to get killed there or seriously hurt. The MTO is just putting their hands in the air and saying"o-well". I have seen alot of Engineering Studys an it just seems to be a black hole and nothing gets done. These Engineers are only concerned on how much money they are going to make dragging their ass on issue. Freight trains cross the bride every day weighing thousands of tonnes every day with no problems but they wouldn't open the bridge to car traffic. Who is BSing who???? Shame on CN!
2/11/2014 5:28:08 PM
jerbare says:
After reading all these comments I wonder if there was all this commotion when they closed the Jacknife bridge at the end of Walsh St to vehicular traffic to the Islands ??
2/11/2014 6:00:01 PM
mile22 says:
Killer: perhaps you should stop and educate yourself on this issue. The CN CANNOT do whatever whatever they want with it. They have an agreement with the City to maintain vehicle and pedestrian traffic in exchange for use of the land.
2/11/2014 6:01:41 PM
tbcanada says:
Just in case, someone want to remind them that trains don't stop on a a dime.
2/11/2014 6:31:39 PM
Outspoken1 says:
Apparently my 3 year old and Peter Collins handle not getting their own way in the same mature fashion.......by throwing a tantrum. I don't tolerate it from my 3 year old, so why would we give in to an adult who does it? I'm no expert in parenting, but I believe giving in to poor behaviour only encourages it....same could be said about first nation blockades. When my son breaks rules there are fitting consequences, as should there be if anyone illegally or immorally blockades a rail line to get their way!
2/11/2014 6:50:52 PM
countryboy123 says:
The land claim for the sawmill was settled a couple of years ago while Collins was still Chief. The FWFN gets approx. 1.5 Million a year in land tax revenue that the City used to get. Now he advocates blockading the rail line which would adversely affect the profitability of the sawmill and possibly their ability to pay land taxes.
Am I the only one that sees the stupidity?
No wonder he is no longer chief.
2/12/2014 11:54:51 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
To even murmur a blockade threat is an insult to all those in Thunder Bay.
The nerve.
Next time we don't approve of something your doing, do we have the option to block the HWY going into the reserve then?
No, because we would never make a threat like that.

Hang your head in shame Peter.

Hang it low!
2/12/2014 12:00:02 PM
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