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2014-02-14 at 15:32

Ontario Liberals lose two by-elections

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By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

Michael Gravelle says he has a job to do and will continue to do it until told otherwise.

The Liberal party lost two by-elections Thursday that were considered crucial tests in public opinion for Kathleen Wynne’s premiership and her party’s direction.

The party lost Niagara Falls, a riding its held for a decade, to the NDP while the Progressive Conservatives held on to Thornhill.

What that means for a spring election is up to the opposition parties come budget time.

"We'll see what happens then," Gravelle said. "I'll do what I can to make sure that the North is strongly reflected in any budget that's brought forward."


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jonthunder says:
Minister Gravelle is clearly a good person and does try his best for his riding, the north and all of Ontario. The Premier's backroom, especially under McGuinty has been the nemesis for him and others.
2/14/2014 4:03:21 PM
Eastender says:
Your right about Mike Gravelle, he is a hard worker and is good for Northern Ontario. He would be hard to replace. Had it not been for squinty McGuinty, and his questionable backroom deals, Mikes star would be untarnished. About the best we can hope for now would be another minority government, but who?
2/15/2014 12:39:19 AM
tadzup says:
Good, now let's get rid of Billy and Mike too.
2/14/2014 4:56:43 PM
Ranma says:
jonthunder are you on crack? While Gravelle has been in, how many mills closed because he did NOTHING to get them wood allocations? How many jobs have we lost while he has done squat?

The sad part is, if we vote in the NDP or the PC, the province will be in even worse shape, specially with the "right to work" BS the Conservatives are trying to push forward.
2/14/2014 9:13:28 PM
Eastender says:
The forces of the market control the demand for wood products, not politicians. All they can do is facilitate the operations somewhat. But when an avalanche of market forces , such as the competition from countries with low wages, and no safety standards, is allowed to operate in your country, not much you can do. Blame the free trade agreement, I dont think Mike had anything to do with that. In fact powers much grater than Mike, (read US. Corporations) were the factors instrumentsl in the closing of our paper mills.
2/15/2014 8:09:33 AM
S Duncan says:
Why would anybody be against "right to work"?

It gives people the OPTION to choose if they want to support a union and pay union dues in order to take a job. Unlike now if you take a job somewhere that has a union, you are FORCED to join.

The only people that are scared of right to work scenarios are people who 1) have a problem with individual freedom, 2) are scared that people will no longer bow down to union/mob like tactics that take a percentage of your wage whether you like it or not.

If youre scared of "right to work" all you need to do is look where it already exists to see how its working. If you look in the USA, right to work states have by far the least amount of unemployment, have less debt, and have by far the healthiest economy.

If we had right to work here in Ontario, we would lower our police, fire, and civil service union budgets because many people would instead choose to stay out of the unions which serve only themselves.

Right to work? The best thing for Ont!
2/15/2014 8:29:14 AM
Stephen says:
I don't think you understand what "right to work" means. If it only meant that one would not be compelled to pay dues at a workplace that has a union, that would be fine.
However, in reality, it's an attempt by the wealthy to exploit the worker, just as in the bad old days.
Your (notice I know how to spell that) statement that 'merican states with right to work legislation are better off economically is patently false.
2/15/2014 4:14:47 PM
S Duncan says:
The proposed changes are exactly what I said.

Its you who does not understand "right to work" and instead you cower behind empty left wing rhetoric claiming that freedom of choice for a worker is somehow going to "exploit" him.

Right to work states are all leaders in low unemployment, higher wages, less taxes, and less welfare.

Its why auto plants and other businesses are moving to the Southern states that tax them less and allow wages that reflect what an employee earns, not what he is entitled to.

Look to Detroit for the most obvious evidence of union poisoning. Thunder Bay and Ontario itself is following in lock step with ballooning debt, overpaid civil service unions, and make work projects.

Right to work will do more for employees and businesses in Ontario than you understand.

Do you have something against a person having the freedom of making their own choices?

Only a communist in disguise would be against right to work. Are you one?
2/15/2014 5:49:48 PM
hadenough says:
How many mills closed because of wood allocations? One, the popsicle plant in Oliver Papoonge. If there were more, I'm not aware of them.

How many mills closed because of a global slowdown for products that they made? Must number in the hundreds across North America.

There were a lot of mills that lost their allocations because they weren't using them, mostly Kenny's empire and rightfully so. Potentially they can re open if they prove a market with a new business plan and new ownership hopefully

2/15/2014 5:17:31 PM
Robert Smithers says:
Michael Gravelle? hardworking? don't make me laugh, put a camera in your hand and he will work hard to get a photo op, ask him about a real problem and he will get all whiny that you are being unfair (his exact word when asked about road conditions highways this winter)
2/15/2014 6:02:55 AM
tudor says:
sduncan. you blame the unions for the demise of Detroits auto industry because it is easy and requires no effort and no before you go off on a tangent, I am not a union worker.

You fail to identify corporate greed as the reason for many of these failures. Poor business practices, horrible products, letting Japan beat them to the fuel economy market by at least a decade, and on quality by 20 years. Poor manufacturing processes that took forever to catch up to their competitors.

Unions normally flourish when management is poor. Henry Ford must have been an idiot. He believed in paying his employees enough so that they could afford to buy the products he produced. Unions are not perfect and they need to be part of the solution but to suggest they are the problem ignores the incompetence of those with the power to decide.

All you spout is Big C rhetoric. Canada is behind most G7 countries. you want to blame Ontario. How about blaming Ottawa for those other job losses not in Ontario.
2/15/2014 9:53:45 PM
S Duncan says:
liberals lose elections?

HA HA!
2/15/2014 9:54:00 PM
nvjgu says:
Mike or someone else, doesn't matter does it but I have to say that everything he has been in charge of has tanked. I really don't think he cares if he loses, he's got the pension.
2/16/2014 6:55:24 AM
hotchoc says:
likely for the 100th time on this site because I have read it dozens of times myself

MPP's do not get a pension.

MP's like Mr. Rafferty and Mr. Hyer get one for about 40-45 grand a year after being in office for 6 years. That is pretty good.

And if my memory serves me correctly, and it does both of our MP's campaigned on improving pensions for Canadians. They just forgot to tell us that it was for only two Canadians living in Thunder Bay.

Mr. Rafferty some time ago even justified his pension by saying he worked hard for it.

Over the past year or so I have spent more time on this site. I constantly read criticisms about City Council and our provincial government. I see very little criticism of the Federal Government or our MP's. I am not sure what that means, but it is an interesting point as I sit here thinking of many things to criticize both the Federal Government of Mr. Harper and our two MP's. Our MP's say a great deal and accomplish very little for us.
2/18/2014 5:30:03 PM
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