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2014-02-25 at 16:46

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Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen Alliance executive director John Kaplanis.
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen Alliance executive director John Kaplanis.
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By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

Hunters aren't the only ones who should weigh in on a proposed bear hunt, says the head of the region's sportsmen alliance.

Public comments are now open on the Ministry of Natural Resource’s pilot project to allow Ontario hunters the chance to hunt bears rom May 1 to June 15 in eight regions, including Thunder Bay.

Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen Alliance executive director John Kaplanis said hunting male bears in the spring means they're less likely to be a nuisance to humans later in the year.

For that reason, he thinks the general public, especially in the North, should comment on it.

"This is a good first step," he said of the plan.

He's hoping that the pilot program will be a success and lead to an expanded hunt, which would have more of an impact on the nuisance bear population.

While local hunters are always willing to help with wildlife management, hunters from outside of the region are usually the ones hunting black bear.

"It has been growing a bit but it's not something that's really all that popular to be quite honest," he said.

Under the plan, cubs and female bears with cubs would be prohibited from being hunted.

For more information see the province's website.
 


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chezhank says:
Kaplanis complaining about bears now!
Does he not know that bears eat fawns his other nemesis in the wilds of northwestern Ontario.
He should hunt for deer ticks.
2/25/2014 5:23:55 PM
Ranma says:
I can't wait to hear from all the morons in Southern Ontario who are against the spring bear hunt. I wonder who quickly their tone would change if they had to deal with bears in their cities.

I do remember a time when the MNR would capture the bears and tranq them and ship them away..but I do not know if this is still an option with how much the MNR has been gutted in Northern Ontario.
2/25/2014 7:10:37 PM
moonpie says:
Where does one find actual statistics on the # of bear/human conflicts, and the results of such conflicts? We hear a lot of hot air being blown about from bear killing advocates like John Kaplanis but they never provide any facts to back up the hearsay.

"The Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) has heard increasingly from some northern Ontario communities that they are concerned about public safety and conflicts with bears."

I want to see numbers. Where are they?
2/25/2014 10:37:10 PM
chezhank says:
"In North America approximately three fatalities a year result from black bear attacks.
By comparison, for every one human fatality resulting from a black bear attack there are approximately 17 fatalities resulting from spider bites, 180 due to bees and wasps, and 374 from lightning strikes."
http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/2011/06/30/more-often-than-not-bear-survival-is-in-our-hands/
To answer your question,this may help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
2/26/2014 4:21:06 AM
Dan Dan says:
It doesn't take long for bear apologists to trot out their only argument - the relatively low number of fatalities. This is absurd, and irrelevant. Do we judge the safety of our roadways based solely on the number of fatal accidents? Do we judge the effect of violent crime based only on the murder rate? Do we consider contact sports to be completely safe because there are few actual fatalities?

The fact is that black bears are increasingly overcoming their innate fear of humans and that negative bear encounters involving injury to humans or animals or property damage, and near-misses, are sharply on the rise.

What it comes down to, unfortunately, is either you support the side of humankind or you support the side of the bears.
2/26/2014 10:23:42 AM
moonpie says:
Ya so in other words Dan, a load of hearsay, nothing to back up the need for a spring bear hunt, just a bunch of "he said, she said" nonsense? I've hiked the woods almost daily around here for 20 years and crossed a handful of black bears, none of them threatening. So why should your tales take precedence over mine if there are no actual stats to back any of it up? What valid argument do you have? None. That's what I thought, just your two-cents.
2/26/2014 6:39:12 PM
donnybrook says:
A hand full of people are killed - not in Ontario, but across Canada - by bears, mainly grizzly, and you think that justifies going out killing hundreds of them? That mentally is what is really absurd. Hundreds of people die by drowning each year, if you're really concerned about humankind why don't you advocate for something that is actually useful, like bathtub life jacket laws or something to that effect.
2/26/2014 7:13:21 PM
Eddylives says:
Moonpie
The fact is the current regulations do no easily allow for any reporting beyond those that require medical assistance or deaths.
The old saying is in play at the moment..."shoot , shovel and shut up" is the normal process.
Too many hassles involved with the majority of reports
2/26/2014 6:24:09 AM
hunterthedog says:
Been there, done that, and NOT reported, so the numbers of "reported" nuisance bears is likely nowhere near the actual occurances. I have been stalked many times at very popular campsites when there were still a few fires going and people up, even swimming, and a bear circled the entire site in the bush and pop out to swipe a cooler, or dig through an old fire pit, etc. We chased with flashlights and yelling, and even had several dogs join us. There was nothing else we could do but put the bear down. And I am NOT going to risk losing my licence and/or firearms and receive a fine just because some judge doesn't understand and rules it an illegal kill. While hunting moose / deer without a bear tag, I have had bear walk right up to within 20 feet of me, with my gun pointed at it and starting to put pressure on the trigger, it stood up, and then ran away. Let's just say I was a tab bit frazzled. Perhaps some of you tree-huggers should come fishing and/or hunting with me some time.
2/26/2014 11:11:12 AM
moonpie says:
You must be talking about conflicts between bears and humans in areas outside of the city, because if that was happening within city limits in populated areas we would hear about it, and it would be reported. The argument for spring bear hunt is that bears are posing a threat to humans in populated areas, so if that is the case where are the reports? If its a matter of people living or camping in rural areas having run-ins with bears, isn't that to be expected when you reside where wild animals live?

Re: to DanDan's argument, the low number of fatalities really doesn't justify a spring bear hunt and if you have no stats to back up your opinion then whose to say there's any validity there? Should we just take your word for it? Do you calculate a city's murder rates based on the # of murders? Absolutely, using statistics.

I support a right to life, in this case especially when they are not causing harm to humans. Justify killing them based on your "what if" theories is absurd.
2/26/2014 6:56:59 PM
someguy says:
Maybe we should stop being a nusience to the bears.
2/26/2014 8:04:16 AM
S Duncan says:
ok. you first.
2/26/2014 11:20:56 AM
millie brendza says:
Everytime an animal is considered a nuisance killing seems to be the only solution.Is not man supposed to be the intelligent one???
2/26/2014 8:10:02 AM
mnr says:
I will be first in line to get a tag if the spring hunt is brought back, but this is obviously just an attempt to buy Northern votes. Very few Ontario residents actually hunt bear, and the neutered hunt introduced will do nothing for problem bear.

In 2012 there were 21261 licenses purchased for the fall hunt with a reported success rate of only 24.3% (from the mandatory hunting questionnaires). Only 192 bear harvested in WMU13. These numbers include licenses sold to both residents and non-residents.

As many who live near rural areas know, when problem bear are encountered the phone isn't the first thing most people reach for these days, due to how ineffective the "Bear wise" line is known to be. I'm sure the # of calls to this line will be used as justification to stop the trial run of the spring bear hunt once the provincial elections are over though.

I want the spring hunt back because the meat tastes best in the spring. Not for these phony reasons
2/26/2014 9:02:18 AM
dozerman says:
This is not an issue about nuiance bears. This is politically backed by outfitters to reinstate the hunt! We have had bears on our property, reported it only to watch them being shot and killed (cubs). We had to haul their carcuses off ourselves. Will not be reporting to anyone anymore! Will just have to live with them. I don't like to idea of killing for fun/sport! Eating bears...really! If you have ever skinned on and seen the worms you certainly wouldn't eat them!
2/26/2014 11:48:10 AM
mnr says:
The outfitters? Really? The majority of business for bear hunt outfitters comes from non-residents (i.e. people from the USA), who are not allowed to participate in the proposed spring hunt. This proposal is a further slap in the face to outfitters.

I will take bear meat over factory meat pumped full of antibiotics and hormones any day. The only precaution necessary is to make sure the internal temperature gets high enough to kill trichinosis if present. This is the same precaution needed when cooking pork. I have never seen visible worms in a bear myself.
2/26/2014 12:50:00 PM
canuck says:
Bears have become increasing brave on our property. And the damage caused by them seem to increase yearly as well. Bangers and paintball guns do little to them anymore. We constantly have them in our yard and cannot enjoy our full property as a result. Have a fire and the bears show up, have a garden the bears show up. Never used to see this problem. How do you manage this....manditory reporting does not work as not everyone reports what they have shot. Most people are of the opinion the bear wise program is a joke and shoot shovel and shutup.
2/26/2014 1:01:18 PM
S Duncan says:
My favourite bear banger is an old .45/70 I have.

I keep it near my shovels.
2/26/2014 3:27:01 PM
Joey88 says:
This is just an excuse for Rambo wannabees to go out and kill innocent animals. Its disgusting!!
2/26/2014 1:41:10 PM
S Duncan says:
innocent animals?

is a bear that kills and eats a moose calf innocent or is that just the food chain in action?

If I kill a bear and eat it, does that make me part of the food chain, or an evil super duper Rambo wannabe bear murderer?

What happens when humans interfere with the food chain? If you're a true naturalist you'll let those Rambo wannabes like me do our thing.

or are you just too shallow to see how wrong you are about innocence?
2/26/2014 3:24:44 PM
conker2012 says:
As long as they are being killed for food and they are not endangered...... WHO CARES!!! Wild animals are food for people, they have been for hundreds of thousands of years...

If you don't like it then either buy up the licences and don't use them or mind your own business.

BTW bear meat is one of the best tasting mammals that can be hunted in this area. You should try it.
2/26/2014 2:44:03 PM
Superzuki says:
Out of curiosity I wonder how many of those opposed to reinstating a spring black bear hunt are also opposed to all sorts of hunting and fishing activities. And how many are vegetarians also?

I was a skeptic that Bear meat can be anything appetizing until I opened my mind and tried it. It was in my opinion delicious. That may not be everyone's opinion, but it is certainly mine and I'm entitled to it.
I would be happy to receive a tag to harvest a bear this spring!
I wouldn't be looking to eat a "dump bear" as I wouldn't trust that meat to be palatable at all, but one that lives far removed from human contact and lives on a natural diet sounds like something I'd like in my freezer for sure.
At least the animal isn't pumped full of chemicals and kept in confinement until it is large enough to slaughter. It would have had a long a free life right until the end. To me this is more "humane" than that "innocent" beef you whiners will be picking up on way home from work today!
Happy Hunting
2/26/2014 4:06:12 PM
donnybrook says:
Truth be told, humans are the nuisance, not the bears.
2/26/2014 7:14:10 PM
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