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Energy Task Force co-chair Iain Angus says they
Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
Energy Task Force co-chair Iain Angus says they've been promised a technical meeting with OPG officials.
By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

Iain Angus says the province will at least listen to regional concerns about biomass supply levels for the soon-to-be-converted Thunder Bay Generating Station.

Initially told Ontario Power Generation would only supply 15,000 tonnes of material annually over a five-year period, members of the Common Voice Northwest Energy Task Force were adamant in their demand the province supply and maintain 75,000 tonnes of advanced biomass from the start.

Angus, the task force co-chair, said after members of the Northwestern Ontario Municipal Association met Tuesday with Premier Kathleen Wynne and other provincial ministers at the Ontario Good Roads Conference, they’ve been promised a technical meeting with OPG officials so that both sides can present their arguments.

"Every time you have some dialogue, you're advancing the concept," said Angus Wednesday afternoon.

"(Energy) Minister (Bob) Chiarelli still believes strongly his advisors are correct in terms of the numbers from the Thunder Bay Generating Station and the Atikokan Generating Station. We still think they're wrong," said Angus, adding the minister agreed to the meeting so both sides can work through the numbers and try to find some agreement.

Angus said it's not about proving the OPG wrong, but about ensuring the right system is in place to meet the energy needs of the Northwest.

The task force once again asked that all 75,000 tonnes of biomass supply be on site when the deadline to use coal passes at year’s end.

Also, Angus said they recognize it's not just about the two generating stations but also about maintaining hydraulic power as well as the east-west tie.

"It's very complicated so we want to make sure those officials really understand the needs of the Northwest," he said.

The minister also said how 60 jobs had been maintained at the Thunder Bay Generating Station, but Angus said that's after 50 people were given layoff notices in January.

The plant currently has 110 employees; 50 were given layoff notices that will take effect early next year.

The job cuts will mean a $4.5 million payroll loss to the city and local businesses, said Angus, noting it will have a strong impact on the community. 

NOMA also asked for the construction of a new transmission line that would connect Dryden to Ear Falls and Red Lake and a line from the East-West Tie Line to Greenstone via the Little JackFish generation station.

They also asked for the construction of an east-west road linking Pickle Lake to the Ring of Fire.

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rothmich says:
Is anyone else looking at the 50 employee math? To reach 4.5m, that's almost 90k A HEAD!

Also, stop calling it biomass - we're grinding up the forest and burning it.
2/27/2014 12:05:11 PM
Kam River says:
Notice you hydro bills going up.
Why?? Because the Liberals are pandering to the Green Winnies.
Killing our Coal plant does three things
(1) Raise our hydro rates
(2) Will cause brown out in northwestern Ontario
(3) force use in the north to pay higher hydro rates so that the Liberals can buy green votes with our hard earned money in Southern Ontario

Does Mauro or Michael Gravelle care about us No! And they seen what happen to Tamara when she stood up for us.
2/26/2014 7:00:59 PM
mikethunderbay says:
Are you kidding?
I think what you meant to say was "Do Mauro or Michael Gravelle.....and They saw what happened...
But anyways, are you kidding, in the history of Northern Ontario there have never been two mpp's who have brought more investment to the region. Is everything perfect? No of course it's not and it never will be but we are doing pretty good here in the North, also this myth of Brown outs happening is simply not true. Just because the NDP representative on council....sorry I meant to say just because Ian Angus says so doesn't make it true. No one at the generating station has ever said that. Also lets not forget that Mr. Angus and the rest of council voted against the conversion to the generating station to natural gas 4-5 years ago. Maybe someone (the media)should ask him about that......
2/27/2014 9:15:43 AM
The Beaver..... says:
Funny it is not.. This Lady conservative has now been on this page for well over a week/
When the Trudau's story maligning the Ukrainians showed up it was pulled after only one hr. So please tell me what is going on here. Fair it is not political pandering it sure is.
2/26/2014 4:09:39 PM
trips says:
to mr. Duncan ...you seem to have a negative opinion on everything...let angus do what he does best which is gathering people into logical debate...your statement about coal and biomass is as silly as saying the egg is a premature chicken when the server brings you your meal of what you thought would be chicken kiev
2/26/2014 3:36:50 PM
progress now says:
Interesting observation:

let angus do what he does best which is gathering people into logical debate...

Really? Obstinance is not debate, nor is it a constructive substitute. Does he debate the event centre? Does he debate Prince Arthurs Landing or the Art Gallery? No. He stakes out a position and we are meant to suck it up, because after all, he is elected.

He is far too imperial for my taste.
2/27/2014 12:00:50 AM
livewire says:
Why are the American's still building coal plants and using coal ? There is something wrong with this picture. Do they have a different technology or are we like an ostrich with our heads in the ground.
2/26/2014 3:12:32 PM
fastball says:
Two reasons.
Firstly, they've only got a few realistic choices. They won't go nuclear - even though the French have developed the safest nuclear reactor around and have been using nuclear safely for decades. The States is worried about nuclear waste as pollution and as weaponizable material. They won't spend the money to build new refineries to develop American oil because it's cheaper to import it from offshore. They won't develop alternative energy because it costs too much, and they've had their heads fill full of crap from politicians and salesmen that say they've developed "clean coal" energy.
Yes, coal is cheap and just lying there on the ground...but it pollutes like nobody's business.
2/26/2014 5:50:09 PM
Eastender says:
So export all manufacturing jobs to China, keep the pollution a half a world away from us. Is that the solution?
Hey, whats that dark cloud on the western horizon 'cough', 'cough'.
2/27/2014 11:23:01 PM
S Duncan says:
biomass is just premature coal. Why are we bothering with this idiocy when we can just keep burning coal?

because some stupid, feel-good, emotional hack decided to make a law saying we cant burn coal?

Wouldnt it make much more sense to convert the stupid green energy plan instead of this plant?
2/26/2014 1:05:25 PM
fastball says:
Duh...EVERYTHING that's carbon-based is "just premature coal".
Coal combustion releases mercury, particulate matter, nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, and dozens of other substances known to be hazardous to human health. Coal contains the most CO2 per BTU, the largest contributor to global warming (unless it doesn't exist for you, that is). Biomass contains very little sulphur or mercury. Often the biomass can be grown locally, providing good local jobs and keeping the ratepayers dollars in the community. Biomass burning is carbon neutral because the CO2 emitted by one crop is taken back by the next.

Let's put it this way - burning ANYTHING that releases pollutants into the air is NOT optimal. Burning anything is barely 35 percent efficient - meaning 65 percent of is wasted.
Both methods cause environment damage - but at least you can replant trees.
Until there's a method for solar, wind, tidal or geothermal energy - these are the best of two bad choices. However, Bio is LESS bad.
2/26/2014 4:22:21 PM
chezhank says:
What would have the IESO have done with OPG Thunder Bay if it were not for the minister's directive?Anything to save seats.
OPG even wanted to close OPG Thunder Bay,but the IESO issued a RMR until OPG Atikokan comes on line.

2/26/2014 12:49:42 PM
jimmyboy says:
anything that Ian Angus has his fingers in....such as this group....should be referred to as a Task Farce....hardly a force what so ever....after all one has to do is too take a look back at the various boards and committees and other local groups such as the now de-funked North of Superior Tourism group which imploded with Angus stirring the pot.
2/26/2014 12:24:40 PM
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