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2014-03-05 at 10:41

Dramatic crash: dashboard camera captures highway collision

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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For a split second last Saturday Ralph Ireland thought he and his wife were dead.

The Sioux Lookout couple were driving home from visiting family and presenting a cheque to the Ronald McDonald House in Winnipeg when they crashed into a truck pulling onto the highway near Kenora.

A video shot from Ireland's dashboard camera shows the truck roll right onto the road before Ireland smashes into it.

WARNING: Video may contain language that's inappropriate for some viewers.
Story continues after video ...

"I've looked at that video over a hundred times trying to figure out what I could have done to avoid the accident," Ireland said from his jewellery store in Sioux Lookout Wednesday afternoon.

"We hit the brakes. If we hadn't of we would have ended up hitting his door and probably killing him."

Ireland and his wife Ifka Filipovich saw white when they hit the truck. In that moment Ireland said he thought they were going to die.

"I'm very thankful to be alive," he said.

But he's also upset.

Footage from the video shows what appears to be a cell phone in the other driver's hand before the crash. Ireland didn't know that until a reporter from Dryden pointed it out to him.

"He obviously didn't even know we were there until the impact and I'm really upset about that," Ireland said.

He's also upset that insurance probably won't cover all of the money the couple put into their 2006 Chevrolet Duramax to help with mobility issues they have.

But Ireland said he's very grateful for the help he and his wife got from everyone in Kenora during the ordeal, from emergency crews to staff at a local hotel.

Ireland emailed a link to the video to Kenora OPP Tuesday.

OPP say the driver of the pick-up truck was charged March 1, the day of the collision, with failure to yield. Sgt. Shelley Garr said he could faces more charges based on the video.

"Now that we have this information we'll be able to investigate further," she said.
The OPP's distracted driving campaign starts March 8. Garr said it's not just cell phones but anything that takes a person's eyes off the road could be considered distracted driving. Around a dozen fatal collisions have been caused by distracted driving in the region over the past two years. In 2013 the OPP counted more than 670 collisions in the region due to inattentive driving.

"I think the majority of people just think it's not going to happen (to them)," Garr said.
"Focus on the task you need to be focused on, which is driving."

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Crankypants says:
Not at all the driver of the dash-cams fault!!!!! The guy turning out with the trailer is clearly at fault and is lucky to be alive!!! Glad everyone is okay!
3/5/2014 11:25:18 AM
dockboy says:
It certainly looks like that moron had a cell phone jammed in his ear, but it also seems the driver of the truck with the cam made no attempt to slow down.
3/5/2014 11:41:26 AM
donnybrook says:
He sure did, right at about 12-13 seconds in the video you can see the angle of the dashcam change as he applied the brakes and the nose of the truck dropped.
3/5/2014 12:22:53 PM
DougMyers says:
Totally agree on the cell phone, stop motion just before the crash looks like a phone is up.

Disagree on the other driver not slowing. He first attempt to move left as the truck noses out on the highway, them slow and moves right as he pulls out. Driver did everything right to try to avoid.
3/5/2014 12:43:53 PM
S Duncan says:
I dont see a cell phone or anyone on a cell phone. Not a very clear image and the camera refreshes right around that time.

Seems to me someone needs a bigger memory card in their dash cam but for now its good that everyone is ok.

It appears to me the driver is looking slightly to his left almost directly at the truck about to hit him and if anything is trying to block the sun which seems to be directly shining on his face?

thats what I see anyway. can someone point out differently?
3/5/2014 11:52:56 AM
silent rebel says:
Wow, you are either a stunt driver or have had the experience of being in a a lot of accidents to be able to sum up this kind of advice on how she "should" have crashed..... I suspect those 7 "agrees" are from yourself.
3/5/2014 2:51:23 PM
GSP says:
This is insane! I hope charges were laid by OPP. Thank goodness everyone was ok.
3/5/2014 11:53:23 AM
whatelseisnew says:
Instead of plowing directly into the truck why did the driver not swerve to the right (there was a gigantic hole right there) and hit the snow bank? I appreciate the fact that he was cut off but this accident could have been less severe had he used his defensive driving skills.
3/5/2014 11:58:04 AM
Eastender says:
And you could make that judgment from just this video clip? You do know that the lenses used in those cameras distort distances, and therefore cannot be relied upon for accurate measurement of speed and distance. Its like the warning in your rear view mirror, 'objects may be closer than they appear'.
Think!
3/6/2014 8:58:40 AM
whatelseisnew says:
Yes I can make that call! I've lived in the country for 25 years and have dodged...let's see...365X25X75KM's a day. How many moose/deer/dogs have I hit? The only thing I've hit was chipmunks and ONE deer! I've avoided many accidents and this could have been avoided... even if the guy was juggling while driving, most people don't drive into a vehicle, they drive away from it.
3/6/2014 8:29:04 PM
Ranma says:
Dockboy, you sure are blind. It's winter..and he did try to slow down..but hey 2 WHOLE seconds from when the truck appears, and the collision happens. Yeah he should have had MORE THAN enough time to stop and avoid this accident. This guy pulled out without paying attention.

2 seconds is no where near enough time to stop even in summer.
As 90 km/hr = 90 x 1000/3600 = 25 m/s
i) By v = u + at
=>0 = 25 - 5t
=>t = 5 sec

I suggest you go back to school dockboy. 5 seconds is the time it takes for the car to slow from 90 to 0, but it does not take into account reaction time. As in "Oh my god is this idiot really going to cut me off?? Holy crap he is, dammit" So yeah. He had no time to slow down.

2 seconds from when the offender shows up on camera to when the crash happens. Offender shows up at 12 seconds, crash happens at 14.
3/5/2014 12:03:09 PM
S Duncan says:
I also dont know why the driver with the camera veered to the left electing to drive straight into the side of that truck.

If he would have steered in the direction of where that truck was instead of where it was headed he might have missed or at least hit the trailer without occupants instead of t-boning the guy.

Its typical of un professional drivers to steer in the normal direction (left in this case) when the logical choice would have been to the right and head towards where the other vehicle WAS not where it is going to be.

If youre avoiding a collision with an out of control car or a driver that isnt aware of your presence you are better off to steer towards where the vehicle was, not where its going to be.

Also the driver with the cam made very little effort to slow down but its difficult to say. He may have had a trailer or load that inhibited his braking ability, he may have just expected the other truck to stay there, or he let his guard down. (not his fault)
3/5/2014 12:04:33 PM
DougMyers says:
Are you serious?

He moved to the left as the truck started to nose out toward the highway, thus making some room. The other truck them pulled out onto the highway at which point the oncoming driver attempted to slow and move tot he right, with very little time to react.

3/5/2014 12:37:14 PM
S Duncan says:
Absolutey serious.

The reality is if you do not want to collide with a moving object you do not steer into the direction the vehicle is going, you steer towards where its been.

Real drivers know you will follow your eyes. Anybody thats ever hit a fastball knows you keep your eye on the ball. With driving you will steer to wherever your eyes are looking. (motorcyclists usually know this too)

So if you focus on the safe spot to drive to (behind the trailer) you will steer there. Instead this vehicle steers exactly where the driver is focusing on.. the other driver. Just like hitting that fastball!

Its not easy to perform better, most people (like you demonstrate) don't even know better. Hence why my comments will take flak for it.

but the reality is there is an out here and this driver failed to recognize it. The situation is not his fault nor is he responsible, but there was a very viable option present. First you have to recognize it.

Some here have, most will not.
3/5/2014 1:11:33 PM
grs says:
Perhaps the driver veered left thinking that the other driver would see him coming on the highway and stop before impact. Slight veer into the other lane, driver stops half way into the highway, no collision. What's next, you're going to say he should have seen he was on the phone and known he wasn't going to stop?

Oh yeah, the "out" that is present...take a look at the still picture provided with the story, then re-watch the video. Do you see a "safe spot"? If you think veering onto a snow covered shoulder, over a snow bank, and into the bush at 90+ km/h is a "safe spot to drive to" remind me to never get in a vehicle with you.

Reality of this scenario is there wasn't much that could have been done to avoid it.
3/5/2014 2:15:37 PM
imbroglio says:
Based on comments here, and others I've read on this site, "S Duncan" seems to be one of the scariest most dangerous drivers out there.
3/5/2014 3:22:11 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
Here S Duncan,

No matter what anyone says, you always have to be the one.

I'm sure next you will say they are both @ fault for being out in the wintertime driving on the roads...
3/5/2014 3:21:23 PM
Eastender says:
Theoretically you are correct. However, any one driving at highway speed, approaching a vehicle off a side road, naturally does not assume that vehicle will pull out in front of them. By the time he realised that the guy was not going to stop and reaction time to jam the brakes on, which probably locked up the wheels, so you could not steer any way, it was too late. Also camera lens distortion makes apparent distances unreliable. Your theory is full of holes, kinda like a Swiss cheese
3/6/2014 9:15:46 AM
mystified says:
I totally agree Doug.

I guess according to Mr. Duncan anyone who drives for a living is a professional driver. Pizza delivery person, 20 year old who just got their AZ.

I would suggest people don't jump to their expert conclusions to quick like Mr. Duncan. Maybe check out the photo FyreFaerie posted Mr. Duncan. It clearly shows the hand isn't blocking the sun but more so in a position to be holding a stupid cell phone to his ear.
3/5/2014 1:45:35 PM
gusto says:
Every day it amazing me that you could make a more moronic comment than the ones you made the day before. This driver did exactly what 99.9% of the drivers out there would have done in the 2 seconds he had to react to a vehicle pulling out to the highway. In those 2 seconds, he probably thought that the other driver would hopefully notice him and stop proceeding onto the highway. But he didn't. Instead he had a phone CLEARLY pressed against his ear and was not paying enough attention to even notice a 3/4 ton truck with it's brakes locked up about to t-bone him milliseconds before it happened. Give your head a shake, troll.
3/5/2014 1:38:31 PM
fastball says:
SD - are you seriously this thick...or are you merely trolling the waters again?
At highway speeds, you've lucky if you've got a couple of seconds to react..PERIOD. And that includes the "oh, sh*t" factor.
What probably went through the driver's head in that split-second, was hoping the other guy would see his error at the last second and hit the brakes - and so by steering left, he might avoid the collision. Instead, the guy blithely continued on through his ill-fated turn while chatting on his phone.
Of course, that's the process that would go through most of us mere mortals' brains. No doubt you'd be analyzing rates of speed, calculating angles, proportioning blame and otherwise being insufferably obtuse.
3/5/2014 2:00:38 PM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
S Duncan/Tim H has to be one of the bigger trolls on this forum.

This is the internet. Trolls and misinformation.
3/6/2014 10:37:19 AM
yqt says:
Your delusional !!! Steer to the right where the truck was? A fraction of a second before impact the entire truck and trailer were blocking the road. There is nowhere to steer to the right! Unless of course your saying the driver should have pulled the wheel to the extreme right which would have put the eastbound truck into a roll on the heavily sand/salted stop block and also into the path of hitting one of two light standards and then continuing down the embankment/ditch. Think before you post your ridiculous opinions/statements.
Tbnewswatch.com

3/6/2014 1:01:57 AM
FyreFaerie says:
This is a short clip of the entire video. In the original, the driver of the truck and trailer combo admits it was entirely his fault, on video.
3/5/2014 12:33:01 PM
FyreFaerie says:
This is right before impact, for those doubting the phone use.
Tbnewswatch.com

3/5/2014 12:37:12 PM
S Duncan says:
That certainly clarifys it much better than what I could see before.

Not much way to deny cell phone use there.

The dash cam driver could have handled it much better than he did but not everybody is a skilled driver.

I'll say it again, he should have steered his vehicle to where the trailer was, not where it was headed (which is exactly what he did).

Skilled professional drivers know this but its difficult to put into practice.

If youre chasing someone you dont follow them, you head towards where they are going. Every hockey player should know this. In the case of collision avoidance the opposite applies. Head towards where the vehicle isnt going to be.
3/5/2014 1:00:49 PM
DougMyers says:
I am a skilled driver with on track race experience and a prooven on track record.

I have been in enough on track crashes and avoided many more to be able to tell you that you are wrong. This driver did what he could and I would have done the same. Stop the video jsut before the crash and you tell me where he could have or should have gone.

He moved left when the other vehicle nosed out onto the highway and stopped. Perfect
When the vehicle then continued onto the highway he braked and moved right. Again perfect.

So stop the video and tell me where you would have been?
3/5/2014 2:03:06 PM
S Duncan says:
You are obviously a low skilled driver. I do not care about your "on track" experience either.

I have much experience on race tracks too. I'm also licensed in Ontario for every class of vehicle there is.

This driver did not do the right thing. A real driver looks for the "out" in every situation because he knows his braking is limited to a certain distance and in this case was unable to successfully do so. The next option is turning the wheel.

You turn the wheel to direct your vehicle to the safest place. The requires analyzing the situation, making a decision and executing it.

The best drivers combine braking with steering.

So the correct move here was to go to the safe place. He could have easily veered right, then if the other vehicle stopped he could have continued turning right onto the road the traffic came from.

Veering towards the oncoming traffic lane is natural but incorrect.

People will largely agree with you because the majority is low skilled. Like you
3/5/2014 3:02:48 PM
imbroglio says:
Your licenced for every class of vehicle there is? Scary. You should be returning those licences. I certainly dont want to be on the same roads as you!
3/5/2014 3:45:45 PM
S Duncan says:
You are.

I have to avoid low skilled drivers like you all day, every day.

My life would be easier if so many of you low skilled drivers could improve your skills.

Look at the screen cap that accompanys this story at the top. A millisecond before impact the camera truck is still headed in the exact same direction as it was before the trailer pulled out.

Thats not accident avoidance, thats driving right into the side of the faulty driver. While a good move for insurance purposes its not any valiant attempt at collision avoidance.

It shows a typical, average driver reacting like 90% of us would.

The top performing, better skilled drivers could have avoided it.

Its not easy. It goes against your natural instincts, and it requires a quick decision making process.

Only 10% of us can do it. Im not even sure I could have. I can identify it and I know how to handle it. To apply it is difficult also.

Not his fault but the guy could have done better, thats all.
3/5/2014 4:21:58 PM
cachinnate says:
By your ranting, you are clearly the lowest skilled of them all. Only those like you who are of inferior talent need to constantly reitiate how good you think you are.
3/5/2014 4:47:45 PM
silent rebel says:
How are you able to spend all day everyday avoiding us low skilled drivers while staying committed to your full time job TBnewswatch's most active commentator? You are either blogging while driving or you don't actually spend as much time on the road judging other drivers as you say.
3/6/2014 9:35:09 AM
Eastender says:
If he had done what you say he should have done, he would have hit the corner of that trailer broadside and risked much more likely injury, to himself since he would have only the door to protect him and not the front end of his truck. Also swerving to the right would not have avoided the collision, only could have made it worse, by possibly causing a rollover.

Its not your driving ability I question, its your attitude regarding your ability, or lack thereof.
3/6/2014 9:40:05 AM
ChancesThatIsMadeUp says:
98%
"I'm also licensed in Ontario for every class of vehicle there is."
3/5/2014 3:49:50 PM
S Duncan says:
ABMZ

re write every 5 years as well as physical. I also hold a competition licence for racing that requires a physical every 2 years and proven my abilities on a race track. I'm also a member of the 200mph club.

I also hold 3 Ontario trade certificates as well.

Doubt it all you want.

but none of that changes the fact that the safe "out" here was steering to the right, not into the other vehicle.

although if he had missed the trailer and hit the ditch the other guy could have just kept going enjoying his phone conversation and it would be another case like the recent truck/guardrail/plow situation.
3/5/2014 4:08:23 PM
gusto says:
S Duncan says:

I'm also Batman.
3/5/2014 5:29:50 PM
S Duncan says:
I laughed out loud at that one!

Its not fault I have so much experience. I lived my life and didnt spend it in front of the fry machine at McDs.

Life is full of opportunitys, if you take them you too can become a batman like me.
3/6/2014 11:43:50 AM
Eastender says:
Ummm..... Batman, isn't that the guy who takes care of the bats for the baseball team, the guy who makes sure the water bucket is full, and is genefally a gofer?
3/6/2014 6:20:53 PM
Goodnice says:
Forgot your lifetime membership in the BSers Society...
Also an insurance agent, a business owner, a plow operator, engineer, catholic and Muslim. Private eye and mechanic. You're thunder bay's McGyver! Wicked
3/5/2014 9:38:07 PM
DougMyers says:
Enough of this, you are all talk.

Bring it to the track and we will see. I could likely arrange track time this weekend at the ice races.

I use a real name so I am easy to find. Don't wait too long though as we need to get insurance through the club ahead of time.

You are all talk and an expert on everything. How dare you call me a low skilled driver.

Meet the challenge and I will make you look silly out there. All commenters all welcome to watch if Duncan will make himself known.

If not this weekend, anytime. You name the time and place and we will see who the low skill driver is.

What say you?
3/5/2014 4:46:36 PM
S Duncan says:
LOL!! whats next? are you going to challenge me to a drag race around dead man's curve? winner gets to date Polly Poundcake??

are you 15 or 16 years old?

Ice racing? really? I usually only do it on 2 wheels but I can do 4. Can we do AWD? You got access to 2 similarly prepped cars?

but in all honesty Im going down South Friday for a week to the Gator Nationals in Gainesville.

you can stay and play with your little 120 hp 4 cylinder toys, I'll be elsewhere.

3/5/2014 5:15:04 PM
DougMyers says:
You challenged my skills; I challenged you to prove it.

Yes it was a real challenge to put to rest your constant claims.

This is the response I think all of us expected, a cop out.

Thank you for proving once and for all that you are nothing but a troll. No one believes anything you say.

Also, I didn’t think I would have to tell an experienced racer like yourself but a drag race is in a straight line. Not around a corner.

You may now go back to hiding behind your computer screen with your outrageous online life :)
3/6/2014 9:54:28 AM
S Duncan says:
Im sorry Doug, but if you think I'm going to cancel my 8 year traditional vacation to Florida to go race $500 dollar beaters on the ice with you, you're a bigger moron than I thought.

Also I know good and well that a drag race is in a straight line everywhere outside of your little Fonzie world. Ive been across the stripe at 175+mph with cars that make as much power on 1 cylinder than your $500 ice racer makes on 4.

Nothing to hide from here except your own embarrassment.

its a cop out because I cant make it it to litte Fonzie challenge? please!

Now do yourself a favour and before you get your feelings hurt go back to your Fonzie office and inhale real deep... but if you want to continue to show off your stupidity and low driving skills, by all means keep talking!

All of the other low/no skill drivers will be happy to keep you company.

I'm off to Florida in the morning so get your little jabs in while you can.

3/6/2014 11:27:19 AM
ChanceThatIsTrue says:
A generous 7.4%
3/6/2014 11:35:15 AM
DougMyers says:
Talk all you want, everyone now sees that you are just a troll living in an online fatansy world where you know it all and everyone else is useless.

Talk is cheap. After that little rant offending everyone in the ice racing community, I am sure no one would let you run their race car anyway.

Go hide behind your screen were you belong.

You have been called out into the open and declined with nothing more then a pitiful rant.
3/6/2014 11:38:34 AM
S Duncan says:
So Richie, Potsy, and Ralph Malph are offended?

If their driving skills are as poor as yours I dont want to be on the ice with them in their $500 cars.

Besides racing on ice is just a cop out anywayy because you blame your lack of skill on the ice or last years dried out tires.

Its OK for now Fonzie, go hang out at Arnolds with the other low skill /low hp drivers.

I'll be in Florida
3/6/2014 12:26:52 PM
DougMyers says:
I real racer would know that driving on the ice is all about the driver skill, regardless of the track conditions.

Sorry it does not live up to your standards but it is currently the only legal racing we have here.

Enjoy your trip to "Florida"

Maybe we will all pretend to go as well :)
3/6/2014 2:28:23 PM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
You talk all this talk about being the greatest driver, talk down to everybody you DON'T KNOW anything about calling them "low-skilled" but when you are asked to back up your claims you are suddenly out of the city for a week?

Pretty coincidental.
3/6/2014 10:42:16 AM
S Duncan says:
Yes its quite rare for middle aged , middle income familys from Canada to vacation in Florida during the month of March.

Its totally unheard of!

Keep inventing ways to justify your low/no skilled driving.

Any competent driver can watch that video and see how easy that collision was to avoid. It would take someone with reactions slightly better than a dead person's but its readily apparent.

...unless you are low skilled/average like I said right from the start.

If anybody cannot see the safe out here YOU are one of the bad drivers out there that good drivers laugh at.

Now, which bathing suit should I pack?
3/6/2014 12:13:24 PM
xquisiteroughpatch says:
How long are you in Florida for? Perhaps this could be arranged for another time/date!
3/6/2014 3:18:12 PM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
I don't know how your comments make it through censorship when you bash people like this all the time.

Can't you just be happy that these people are alive after this accident rather than nit pick about how and why this accident COULD have been avoided if you were driving?
3/7/2014 11:03:05 AM
Marak says:
LOL. I love it! I'd be willing to watch that race. Seems pretty quiet now though, sounds like the crickets are chirping...
3/5/2014 6:40:23 PM
humnchuck says:
If he holds "every kind of license" I really hope he shows up wanting to race in a school bus with flames.
3/5/2014 10:51:10 PM
Shane Caker says:
I drive these very highways for hundreds of km's per week. I've had my share of close calls. If I had taken your expert driving advice years ago, I'd have been dead 10x over. Please stop with your advice. You're going to kill someone. (assuming anyone ever listens to you)
3/5/2014 9:48:30 PM
Sprague Street Superman says:
everybody thinks they are a high skilled driver Meyers but if you drive around you can see everybody is not.
3/5/2014 4:36:10 PM
Tannoy says:
Unless he thought the guy was going to stop in which case he was trying to go to where the vehicle wouldn't have been. Don't try to put this on the victim.
3/5/2014 2:09:20 PM
mystified says:
You've been watching to much of Canada's worst driver. I'm a skilled driver. If you don't believe me just ask me.
3/5/2014 5:31:51 PM
Jawz says:
I think its really easy to view the video and make judgements about what the each driver could have done to avoid the accident. The fact is that accidents are caused by human error and everyone reacts differently in the moment. The dash cam driver made a judgment call within seconds, right or wrong, and he did his best with what he had. Sitting at our computers saying, "he should have, he could have..." is really easy to do, but being there in the moment is a much different experience.
3/5/2014 12:44:33 PM
laurie says:
The driver didn't slow down at all... why go to the left ??
3/5/2014 12:53:53 PM
zeppelin says:
Stay off your phone when driving! or doing anything that requires you to pay attention, I've even seen people walk into things looking at their phones. How dumb are people, seriously....you don't need your phone attached to your hand at all times. I don't even have one! & I don't understand the obsession one bit, it angers me to see someone even look at their phone while I'm talking to them let alone driving.
3/5/2014 12:56:10 PM
Dockboy says:
As I said in my comment "it also seems" which is a personal interpretation of the video. I will however accept the criticism. "Images in this video are closer than they appear."
3/5/2014 1:08:31 PM
rootbear says:
Everyone can comment on what the driver should have done....swerve right, brake sooner, etc...it's easier said than done. Glad no one got seriously hurt and tsk tsk on the fellow on the cell phone. Now, this video is a poor indicator on the situation...when I first saw it I felt he had plenty of time to react. I saw this truck pulling out but then again I might be bias....I ride motorcycle. It's my job to drive 110% defensive if I want to live. When I saw that truck to my right, I PLAN on it pulling out in front of me. In a vehicle my foot would have been over the brake....that's how much I trust the other driver.
3/5/2014 1:26:28 PM
luvmibike says:
For all of you who so quickly jump to a conclusion .. that he should have veered left, he should have slammed on the brakes, that he shoulda woulda coulda .. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

THIS is a rare glimpse into just how much time someone travelling at regular hwy speed has to react..and it's not much. He did react by tying to go around the truck that pulled out in front of him...THAT was an option,but,regrettably the guy to pulled out, didn't slam on HIS brakes thus cutting off the oncoming trucks 'out'..WHAT this guy did WAS defensive driving. Slamming on brakes on a frozen road will not give you the same braking power as in the summer time .. and for that matter .. slamming on the brakes - winter OR summer does not stop you in your tracks.

I think this guy reacted as good as he could given his options. Because he hit where he did .. He just might have saved himself, his passenger and the moron who pulled out in front of him.
3/5/2014 2:31:24 PM
Raabs says:
To S Duncan, to say there was one way and one way only for this driver to avoid this collision is asinine. He started going to the left hoping the other driver WOULD notice him and stop accelerating out in front of him. Unfortunately that didn't happen. So what would have happened if this driver veered right and the offending driver DID notice him coming and slammed on the brakes? Well he would have plowed directly into that solid steel, tandem axle trailer. What was in that trailer by the way? Do you know S Duncan? Did the driver that was about to hit it know? What if it had 3-4 tons of gravel or shingles in it? The driver of the dash cam truck would have certainly died. Even empty that trailer is much much harder that the box of that pickup which has crumple zones. As it turns out, he made a decision, could have EASILY GONE EITHER WAY no matter how much you want to talk about non pro drivers. He hit the softest part of that truck and everybody survived...very lucky it wasn't worse
3/5/2014 2:45:26 PM
S Duncan says:
The out was clearly to the right.

You hinge your whole statement on HOPING that the other driver would notice him when he already did not. The driver with the cam was "hoping" too.

The reality is the guy with the trailer had already made his move in error. The cam driver made no logical move except using the brakes and hoping the other guy would stop.

the clear OUT here was to the right. Once the trailer made his wrong move even if he did stop he was blocking the road. The continous safe out in all of this scenario was to the right.

If the cam driver couldnt stop he was going too fast for the conditions and obviously his skills.

The trailer driver is completely at fault here yes, but the collision could have been avoided by a higher skilled driver.

Again the majority will not agree with me because the majority are low skill, low performance drivers.

You know how everyone says theres so many crappy drivers?

there is. Not seeing the safe "out" here proves it.
3/5/2014 3:58:47 PM
cachinnate says:
A little off topic, but this is from an article I recently read, & is fitting after reading all these posts:

The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls:

1.Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is.
2.Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings.
3.Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order.
4.Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy.
5.Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility.
6.Trolls gain energy by you insulting them.
7.Trolls gain energy when you get angry.
8.The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online.
3/5/2014 4:08:39 PM
S Duncan says:
oh look, another high quality posting that clearly goes against the guidelines?

stay classy there newswatch!
3/5/2014 5:17:58 PM
gusto says:
This list fits S Duncan to a T. I anxiously await his obviously superior response.
3/5/2014 5:36:09 PM
baor says:
You are not off topic at all and make a valid "hear hear" point.
I too have read the article about "trolls" and found an alarming similarity between them, conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics. I enjoy reading many of the comments here but refuse from now on to read or reply to likes of sduncan/pieislandrefugee/whoever she wants to be from now on and others like her.
What I once found humourous , I now find really really tiring.
3/5/2014 10:43:11 PM
donnybrook says:
You are clearly NOT a skilled driver. There was no "out" of this collision regardless of which direction the driver turned. Turned too sharp, he would have rolled his vehicle. Turn to the left, would have driven straight in to the front end of the truck. Most people wouldn't want an engine block ending up on their lap. Turn to the right too sharp, he rolls his vehicle. Veer to the right and drive straight in to the mid section of the trailer which is built not to crumple. Driver likely would have been dead. This driver made the right decisions in the split seconds he had. Hitting the truck in the box and empty space between the box and the trailer was the best option in this unavoidable accident. I know you think you would have easily avoided this, but its already been established you're clueless. You likely would have ended up dead in this scenario. Not saying that's a bad thing, but you'd of killed your passenger and the driver of the truck too and that's not cool.
3/5/2014 7:54:16 PM
surveysays says:
ya , you couldn't be more wrong. unavoidable. and if you did avoid it you are a reckless driver.

if you assume every driver meeting the highway isnt going to stop, and slow down or stop your are going to cause accidents .

you have to assume that driver will notice his error and stop, blocking a lane leaving room to go around. this happens more often than what we see in video. i see cars stop out in a lane daily ,and i go around in front by swerving left.

Following your logic i would just t bone them in hopes they continue.

even if your mad skills and flat birmmed hat allowed you avoid the accident in a cool drift you learned on xbox you would have hit the stop sign & the snow bank sideways. and we would be commenting on the S duncan single vehicle crash article o TBNW .



3/5/2014 8:25:26 PM
Eastender says:
Talk about agreeing with yourself. There is no way your agrees are legitimate people agreeing with you, judging from the comments
3/6/2014 9:58:31 AM
gtaylor says:
where can i view the video??
3/5/2014 2:58:54 PM
S Duncan says:
Fonzie's got it playing on a loop down at Arnold's Drive In.
3/6/2014 2:57:42 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
To me it looked like the camera car didn't even try to brake at all, the front end of the vehicle should have lowered a bit, and the tires should have been howling on the pavement. Better take a look at that vehicles data recorder...
3/5/2014 3:48:21 PM
conker2012 says:
Reading the article you would know that it is a 2006 Duramax diesel truck. In all likelihood the truck would be equipped with ABS, and the tires would now be howling on the pavement since they would not lock up.

Whether or no the driver with the camera slowed down or not is irrelevant. This accident was 100% the fault of the dodge driver on a cell phone.

Lucky for the dodge truck driver, the duramax driver had the skill to avoid hitting the cab and likely saved the life of the buffoon on his cellphone.
3/5/2014 4:42:56 PM
old1 says:
to bager hermit the police are welcome to the vehicle data unit off the truck and the memory card out of the camera and the gps unit that would show all of the data speed et all we had a vehicle right behind us. the camera was destroyed the memory card was found in the truck later
3/5/2014 4:00:47 PM
old1 says:
Those on here saying that the cam driver didn't hit the brakes; you need to watch the video in HD on a computer screen. Just after the one minute mark you can clearly see the nose of the truck dive as he applied the brakes. This also saved the other drivers life. Had Ralph not hit the brakes when he did the collision would have been in the drivers door.
3/5/2014 4:32:56 PM
jasper says:
clearly that picture was photoshoped. there is no way that s duncan could have been wrong. are you people not familiar with his long list of credentials, besides being the most interesting person in the world, according to him. a man of his vast knowledge would have probably jumped the vehicle to avoid such an accident. thank you again to s duncan for enlightening us all, and free of charge. what a guy. consultants are the best.
3/5/2014 4:35:40 PM
fastball says:
SD doesn't usually drink beer - but if he did, he would drink Dos Equis.
Because, after all - he is the most interesting man in the world.
3/5/2014 5:39:08 PM
bttnk says:
S Duncan, is an astronaut, physician, attorney, skilled marksmen, holds 3 trade certificates, races cars and spaceships and is personal friends with the tooth ferry. Did I miss anything?
3/6/2014 1:46:43 PM
S Duncan says:
Yes, you missed the correct spelling of the word "fairy".

I'm also a skilled writer.

Hey, if Fonzie up there can claim to be a high skilled driver, surely anyone of us can make up whatever we want.

and my space ship is faster than yours.
3/6/2014 2:49:32 PM
ruralmedic says:
Hitting the snowbank is generally a safer option. You decelerate at a slower rate in deep snow than you do when hitting another vehicle. Way safer. And yes, I have seen more people walk away from ditching their vehicle than I have from head on or t-bone collisions.
3/5/2014 4:50:56 PM
ihateusernames says:
Would have... Should have... Could have... Why is everyone criticizing the transport driver when it was the other driver's stupidity that caused this accident? Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you arrive at a stop sign, before you proceed aren't you supposed to look both ways, check if the area is clear, then proceed? Further, isn't it against the law to use handheld devices (in which this gentleman is clearly using?). Finally, S Duncan, yes not everyone can be a "professional driver" such as yourself claims to be (and I really don't care if you are or not just an FYI), but from reviewing the video and with the speed that the transport is going, the driver attempted everything he could have at that particular moment. If you are so adamant that the driver did not do what a "professional/highly skilled driver" would do to avoid this collision, I would like for you to get behind a transport truck, recreate this exact same scenario, and see if you can do better. I will wait in earnest.
3/5/2014 5:06:49 PM
StateTrooper101 says:
Say what you will. People always try to downplay another persons actions based on their own perceived excellence at driving and or avoiding injury. In my experience working on the highways, people will always react differently to a variety of situations. Some people freeze when confronted with a potentially life and death situation (totally normal). The fight or flight system is a natural response to extreme external stimuli. If the driver appeared to have not slowed down, he was faced with a traumatic situation that quite frankly that happened very quickly. You can literally travel hundreds of feet in a few seconds traveling at 65 MPH. Charges have been laid as a result of the other drivers negligence. Its easy for people behind a computer screen to criticize and say what they would do in a similar situation. The fact is the other driver was responsible and will be held responsible for negligent action(s).
3/5/2014 6:10:20 PM
razor_burn says:
So many know it alls who don't have a clue. Very familiar on this site. Duncan needs his glasses adjusted. I see the driver on a cell clear as day. The dash cam driver did all they could. For those of you saying they made no attempt to stop, I suggest you listen a little closer. I can hear the ABS pump working right up until impact. There is no exit to the right either. Maybe if there wasn't a trailer. Any one of you who claim you would of made it by going right don't have a clue and shouldn't be driving.
3/5/2014 6:11:34 PM
Ranma says:
I have to agree with S. Duncan, he should have gone to the right. By going to the right, he would have either rolled his vehicle and killed himself and his wife, or got lucky and not rolled, but rocketed through the air and flipped end over end, because of size of the snow banks, and probably killed himself and his wife.

Going to the right would have ensured this was a fatal accident, and the driver of the other vehicle would probably still have no clue on what happened, nor be aware of the people who would have killed themselves, to save him from damage.

By hitting the body of the truck, he knew it would be solid, and not unknowns. The trailer could have been hauling a snow machine, whose handle bars would go through the windshield and impale someone. Once again, a fatal accident.

The driver did his best to avoid this accident, but because it was not avoidable, he made it survivable. That is my opinion.
3/5/2014 6:12:23 PM
rbosch says:

after watching this video numerous times since this morning and analyzing what transpired, along with reading all the comments I can only offer 3 things: 1)the driver approaching the highway did not even stop at the intersection (look at the video as the dash cam truck approaches) 2)from the time the other truck shows up on the dash cam until collision occurs is approximately 5 seconds and 3)S Duncan is a ?????? (not too sure what to say about him, but it is nothing too positive).
3/5/2014 6:57:22 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
At 100kmh, you should be able to stop in about 50 to 100m (quality of tires, load on vehicle). Initially, you're covering about 28m every second (but slowing down), so the age-old "2 second rule" applies, roughly.
I think the cam driver did what most sane people would and think that the other guy is gonna see him and stop short. Once it became apparent that the trailer driver wasn't stopping, the cam driver should have floored the brakes. I dont think he did, judging by the hit. Plus, you dont hear the antilock system operating (maybe it's not audible on all vehicles.. mine sure is though..)

Hope everyone involved is okay !
3/5/2014 7:11:43 PM
nvjgu says:
Hitting him was the best thing to do. If he had missed him, left the road and took of into the bush and totaled his truck insurance would have had a problem with him.
3/5/2014 7:20:53 PM
chevtruck says:
sure looks like the guy with the dash cam was speeding
3/5/2014 7:35:03 PM
mexifin says:
If the person with the cam was more of a defensive driver. As the other truck pulls out, driver of the cam could have turn to the right.
3/5/2014 7:43:48 PM
gerg says:
S Duncan you are a moron. This was one of the best outcomes of a very bad situation. Quit patting yourself on the back and give credit where it's due.
3/5/2014 7:47:27 PM
NWORez in Dryden says:
The picture is not photoshopped. For the record, Mr. Ireland says a 'reporter in Dryden' sent him a capture from the video. It was one of our staff at CKDR 92.7, after another staffer replayed and paused until she clearly saw the hand holding the phone. OPP have the video and I'm sure further charges are coming. As far as cutting to the right goes - what a great idea from the comfort of your keyboard. It takes a LONG time to get a 3/4 ton 4 X 4 that's doing 90 kph stopped. He swerved to the left, nose of the truck dips as he hits the brakes, he almost starts to move back to the right. He had MAYBE 3 seconds to see, react and slow that big truck down to where no one was killed. We've reviewed the video frame by frame before sending a screen grab to Ralph. The image that you claim was photo-shopped is about 3 clicks before. From everything we've seen, the other driver didn't even know he was about to be hit. Oh - take a real good look. Idiot didn't even stop at the stop sign
Tbnewswatch.com

3/5/2014 7:49:35 PM
JustKevin says:
While the driver that pulled out was clearly at fault, looks to me like the other driver was doing excessive speeding.
3/5/2014 8:12:47 PM
Twocents says:
Scary! This moron is lucky he didn't kill someone, himself included, since it doesn't look like he's wearing a seatbelt either.
3/5/2014 8:33:05 PM
Ralph Everett Ireland says:
The dash cam is mounted at the top of the windshield to the right of the mirror so it actually has a better view then the driver. I did not see him behind the snowbank! I had a car on my back bumper with 2 people in it. Had I seen him and slammed on the brakes earlier there may have been 3 vehicles involved. He told the Police that He had stopped at the intersection and when he pulled out he would have had lots of time but he forgot that he had the trailer on. I had no reason to question that as I had not seen the video. It is clear that he did not stop in the video but it was not clear from the drivers seat. He would have been behind the snow bank and behind the drivers center mirror. the dash cam was destroyed in the wreck, we found the memory card with the stuff we had pulled out of the cab and thrown in bins we purchased at Canadian tire. Monday night I put it in the computer A Dryden reporter pointed out the cell phone.
3/5/2014 9:20:54 PM
moi says:
The only thing(s) that matters is that no one was hurt, there is proof of how the accident occurred, and charges are pending against the Manitoba driver. For everyone that comments on the "woulda,coulda,shoulda" scenario, unless you're in a similar situation, you have no idea of how you would have reacted. Thanks to Mr. Ireland for his input--as opposed to other useless posts on this thread, your insight was welcome. Glad you're okay, and no need to defend your actions of that day.
3/6/2014 9:24:24 AM
reese says:
People get shot over texting in movie theaters
Robbed for there smart phones
Where will it end?
I dont remember this cagnage when Radio Shack sold CB radios
3/5/2014 9:24:25 PM
realist says:
It won't be too difficult to tell if he was on the phone, all the OPP have to do is get a copy of the guys cellphone records.
3/5/2014 9:51:16 PM
Blah blah says:
Skilled driver or not in a split second of decision time you will error eventually. But your a god S DUNCAN you don't make mistakes. You would have avoided that truck saved a baby from a burning building and fixed the cities woes in that split second, good for you.
3/5/2014 10:03:11 PM
Kent Hunter-Duvar says:
I tend to agree with S Duncan. I have a motorcycle license and drive assuming they are out to get me / don't see me. I'm not sure I would have done any better, but the 'logical' move would have been to lay on the brakes as soon as the truck with the trailer moved past the stop sign. Crossing the centre line is almost never the right move. I'd have been leaning on the horn to try and get his attention. There was mention of a vehicle behind. It's the job of the vehicle behind to avoid. If I lay on the brakes and they can't stop, they were following too close. I'm annoying if you tailgate me. I will flash my brake lights, if you don't move back, I'll slow a bit. If that doesn't work, I'll pull over so you can pass or slows down to a speed that's safe for the distance you are behind me until you move back or can pass. I drive a lot of km every year and get too much practice at avoiding careless drivers.
3/5/2014 10:54:00 PM
S Duncan says:
Its a pleasure to share the road with you sir.

Your statement displays the exact type of driving one learns fast when they ride a motorcycle. If they don't learn it fast they usually become a statistic.

I also love how you are fully aware that the vehicle behind you has his own responsibility to control his vehicle and it is not up to anyone but him.

You are, like me in the minority of good drivers out there and its a sad state of affairs when you read how many commenters fail to see this was avoidable. Its even worse how some embarrassingly proclaim to be expert ice racers but would have performed as poorly as this camera vehicle driver did.

Its obvious why its dangerous out there when you realize the average person has a clear view and other obvious options to avoid a collision but they choose to juust scream, panic and jam on the brakes never electing to steer more than 1 compass degree.
3/6/2014 12:44:58 PM
alrightythen says:
instead of ripping on the driver(s) of either vehicle for their driving skills,

...i'm just thankful this was not a fatal crash and no one was seriously injured.
3/5/2014 11:19:35 PM
gone for good says:
I encourage everyone to buy one.
56 bucks at staples and 20 for the sd card. I don't leave home with out mine. Its made me more cautious as well cause Im on the camera and thats always on my mind.
3/5/2014 11:33:58 PM
mamabear says:
First, be thankful no one was hurt. Second, no one has the right to judge what Mr Ireland did or did not do. The should have, could have does not apply here because "none" of you should make judgement because it is what it is. Three, it is the driver of the black truck who is at fault, period. Failure to stop at a stop sign, talking on his cell phone and causing an accident that could have killed all of them. Quit the "I would have crap". Everyone is traumatized by this, but they are all alive.
3/5/2014 11:47:41 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
I just don't get it. My comments always get screened and yet you let S Duncan go on and on and it's clear he's a mouthpiece. Just ask the cops who's at fault. Who got charged. Not the guy with the dash cam. So why do you let Mr. Duncan carry on like this to annoy everybody else?
3/6/2014 5:44:08 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
If I was driving the cameracar, you would have heard my tires SQUEALING on the asphalt, and the vehicle would have starting canting sideways... although not his fault, the driver did a terrible job of reacting properly. No, sorry, I didn't perceive him to brake at all, except at the very last instant. Hey, drivers up here have little concept of sharing the road, we all know that...instead of wondering why the guy was cutting in front of him, he should have STOOD on the brakes, and aimed for the snowbank....he FAILED. THEY failed.
3/6/2014 7:00:42 AM
Raabs says:
S Duncan quote "You hinge your whole statement on HOPING that the other driver would notice him when he already did not. The driver with the cam was "hoping" too."
Since you are a such a pro driver you must log hundereds of hours each month. HOW OFTEN do you see people start to pull out in front of you, notice they are doing something wrong and slam on the brakes allowing you to pass on the left without causing an accident? I see it practically every single day. In fact I would say %99 of the times this situation happens, the offending driver realizes at the last second what is going on and slams on the brakes. Only in the %1 of the time is the opposing driver so clueless that it happens this way. As a "pro" driver that has logged so many hours, would you disagree with these numbers? This guy veered left because IN HIS EXPERIENCE ONLY %1 OF THE TIME SHOULD IT END LIKE THIS. But stick to your guns Duncan, makes you look so smart.
3/6/2014 10:40:54 AM
S Duncan says:
I agree with you. Most times the other person stops when they see you and veering to the left is a natural and common reaction.

Ive said that many times already if you can read you should know that.

the fact is this Dodge 1500 (probably exceeding the gcvw is trailer is loaded) was in the middle of the lane blocking the duramax's path. At the time of collision the duramax is still pointed in the same direction it was going. He did not go left, he did not go right, he drove straight into the side of it.

The obvious out was to the right. Anybody who thinks the truck would roll is obviously ignorant of physics (unless it hit the ditch sideways)

It seems the facts are that the duramax is modified for handi cap use and was being driven by an older driver. Those issues probably didnt help the situation.

Hard braking and turning to the right would have easily prevented the collision regardless of the obvious fault of dodge driver.

If you dont agree you are a low skill driver.
3/6/2014 11:59:59 AM
fastball says:
I'm just wondering what my insurance company would say if I told them that I had taken the snowbank at 100kph, and potentially rolled my truck - because I didn't THINK the other vehicle was going to stop.
Luckily, in this case, there was a camera to back up his claim.
But in my dealings with insurance companies - I wouldn't bet that you'd have a smooth time of it.
3/6/2014 11:54:22 AM
They call me Mr. Pants says:
Mr.Duncan it seems as though you enjoy bragging more than anything on here. sorry this isn't the time or place to list all your driving credentials. btw no one cares. this was a nice forum until you started yapping your keyboard off. you want to prove yourself soooo badly take the challenge! otherwise go back to your parents basement. it's arrogant drivers like yourself too that cause alot accidents. you think you are so much better than everyone else that you own the road and every day i have to avoid drivers like you because you're the ones who are dashing out around other vehicles with out watching because you guys know it all. I wonder if you're one of ths guys who love to drag race at a green light? myself, i would love to put you to the test and see you fail. btw i can say i have all that nice paper work too but not going to. and what does trade tickets have to do with this forum anyways? I'm glad that everyone got out of the accident and that the phone user was charged.
3/6/2014 12:47:46 PM
gone for good says:
You know Hermit, I would have taken the snow bank myself. No where as dangerous as pilling into that truck and trailer. But some people react differently. Almost seemed like the guy behind the dashcam may have just froze up or not realized what was happening. Because I agree with you, he did not seem to do a heck of a lot to avoid that collision.
Could have and should have been a lot worse. Hard to believe all three walked away from that one.
I love my dash cam. It's all about accountability these days.
3/6/2014 1:27:54 PM
thehawk7 says:
I just want to say that i laugh at those who try to blame the driver with the dash cam. I replayed the video enough to know he hit the brakes. NO ONE knows how to drive properly, not even myself. There is something called "freezing" and it happens a lot in accidents. We may know what to do, but sometimes we freeze automatically. And the guy must have had a big vehicle to fit most of you in, because it sounds like you were there and know what happened. The dash cam guy did what he should have. he DID hit the brakes and DID try to swerve to the side of the road with more room until he was blocked. And even the driver at fault admitted it was his fault. So please don't post comments thinking you know everything, because you obviously don't.
3/6/2014 1:32:23 PM
Duncan S says:
Im just glad that everyone involved is ok.
3/6/2014 2:44:37 PM
mystified says:
We are all glad to hear that everyone involved is ok.

NOW SHUT UP AND GET GOING ON THAT VACATION, BUT REMEMBER, YOU HAVE A RACE DATE WHEN YOU GET BACK AS THE ICE ISN'T GOING OUT ANYTIME SOON AND WE ALL WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN WALK THE TALK.
3/6/2014 4:55:43 PM
Len Lake says:
Without commenting on the many "expert" opinions expressed for this article I wanted to ask a question. Many years ago an experienced trucker stated to me that the first rule about an impending collision with a moose or smaller vehicle was "never leave the pavement". Is that a truth or a myth?
3/6/2014 2:55:14 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
mystified says:
Hey people, we all know that Mr. Duncan, aka Wayne, Pie Island refuge, Tim H is a troll and it doesn't matter what you say you are wrong because he knows everything about anything.

He told us he has a couple Ontario Trade tickets which obviously are collecting dust because he spends way to much time trolling this website to be putting them to use. Knowbody will hire him so he sits at home and trolls while refreshing his screen and agreeing with himself.
Do yourself a favour and ignore this mentally ill person, don't comment as much as you'd like to and watch the name disappear and the same characteristics will show up under another name.



AGREED!
3/6/2014 4:43:07 PM
North18 says:
S Duncan, I have a question for you? Are you licensed to drive a clown car? After all your post, you seem like a pretty funny guy so I'm just assuming you are a clown, no?
3/6/2014 4:47:55 PM
gusto says:
He's not a clown. He's clown shoes!
3/6/2014 11:20:22 PM
anonnymouse says:
I am grateful that all of the parties involved were able to go home to their loved ones. I realize it is a horrible situation and definitely a careless mistake was made by the driver of the trailer-towing vehicle, but I am glad that he took ownership for what happened and appreciate that he appeared remorseful. Hopefully people will learn from his mistake...how easily something like this can happen. Best wishes to the couple, who were undoubtedly shaken and sore.
3/6/2014 5:26:35 PM
Kathy S says:
Is that yellow pages in his lap? Was he reading the phone book while he was calling someone?
3/6/2014 6:22:55 PM
unionbay880 says:
He must have listened to S. Duncan's advice from Jan 30 Scary drive: Dash cam records near head-on highway crash. And I quote;

"So if youre taking the ditch or in this case the guardrail, you are better off to take a piece of the other vehicle with you. FOR LEGAL AND INSURANCE REASONS ONLY".


3/6/2014 7:20:01 PM
fastball says:
As a motorist who was involved in a head-on collision with a drunk driver some years back - I have every sympathy with Mr. Ireland.
In my case, a guy came whipping around the corner at high speed, fishtailed across both lanes, and ended up directly in front of me going at least 90 k/hr in town.
Basically, you've got time enough to say "Oh lord (or anything)" and you instinctively lock 'em up and close your eyes. That few seconds is burned into my mind, and I still can't drive around that particular corner without my hands getting sweaty on the wheel.
My dad enjoyed rally driving and was the best driver I knew...and he taught me. So I was no neophyte. But until it happens to you (and I hope to god you never have to help a police officer perform CPR on a guy who's flown through a windshield and wearing a steering wheel - knowing it's hopeless) - I can only say from experience, you've got a 2 or three seconds, TOPS. Half of that is thinking, the other half is a vain attempt to evade.
3/6/2014 7:55:57 PM
ukillme says:
Duncan your a fool, when somethiung edges out you head AWAY from it (in this case to the left) when it becomes apparent someone like you is driving and won't stop you head the opposite direction........as this driver did.........You and Dock boy should be ban from the road just by your uneducated driving comments "sorry"
3/6/2014 9:30:15 PM
Angutiluaq says:
Did anyone notice that the driver of the truck was also reading something as well? Work Oder, invoice or something.
3/6/2014 10:13:20 PM
MelodyManning says:
It's fun reading all the comments and opinions. Personally I think I would have done exactly what the driver did. Veer left assuming or hoping the driver would see me in my great big vehicle coming right at him, and when he didn't stop apply the breaks and veer right. You can see by the time display that although it looks to us like it happened in slow mo it actually happened very quickly and with vehicle speed even breaking there wasnt much time to do anything. Now I've gotten a lot of laughs out of S Duncan and his rants and just have to share these 2 comments he made in different posts. 1st (Only 10% of us can do it. Im not even sure I could have. I can identify it and I know how to handle it. To apply it is difficult also.) and 2nd (Any competent driver can watch that video and see how easy that collision was to avoid. It would take someone with reactions slightly better than a dead person's but its readily apparent.) I love people that rant so much they forget what they've said
3/6/2014 10:42:57 PM
Dbenedic says:
I went out and purchased the highest quality day and night camera for my touch dash that I could after seeing this crash and the transport crash about a week ago. These cameras are great for police investigations and insurance claims after the crash.
3/7/2014 2:58:21 AM
alwaysup says:
Watch carefully, you can see the turning from the right way ahead, you can see the truck and trailer in plenty of time, good driving practice is to be prepared, even if the trailer driver should have stopped the duramax driver should have eased off the minute he saw the trailer vehicle...he didnt....having realised the trailer wasnt going to stop he should have braked....he didnt....realising the trailer wasnt going to stop, then he should have gone to the RIGHT where a) there was acres of room and b) by the time he would have been over to the right the trailer would have been out of his way....The trailer driver was in the wrong but the duramax driver showed abysmal driving skills too. What the video doesnt show is what the duramax driver was doing.....long straight road,lulling music playing, probably a cup of coffee in one hand and blantantly not paying attention to the road ahead, not initially his fault but definately a contributing factor to the extent of the damage caused.


3/7/2014 6:14:23 AM
moi says:
In the last 24 hours, this video (and commentary by Mr. Ireland) has surfaced on CNN,CTV,Global,and CBC.
And in each case, the news reporters have made virtually the same comments..."Distracted Driving at It's Worse", " Glad no one was seriously injured", and.. "The truck driver has been charged with failing to yield".The shared opinion, even on national tv seems to be that the other driver was totally responsible for the preventable accident.. and that Mr. Ireland did a remarkable job at avoiding a possible fatality.
3/7/2014 9:28:23 AM
oscarmyerweiner says:
I don't think 4 sec is a lot of time. Sure you could of jammed on the brakes maybe a little sooner but chances are the anti-lock brakes would not do anything anyways. Sometimes accidents are unavoidable.(dash cam vehicle) This whole ordeal could have been definitely avoided if people would just stay off their cell phones and PAY ATTENTION to the roads. Just glad everyone was alive after that.
3/7/2014 11:57:23 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Lesson:. People up here will plow into you, if you make a mistake...hey...you...get out of MY way. If it was a kid on a bike, I wonder what camcar would have done...I hate even riding in vehicles up here...everyone drives like they OWN the road in front of them. Give me the Don Valley Parkway, any time...
3/7/2014 6:12:04 PM
Healey says:
I honestly have never seen so many people make so many comments

Lets review the facts, 1) the driver of the dodge was at fault, breaking many laws in Ontario

2) The driver of the chevy pickup truck, was driving, not breaking any law in Ontario, and at the end of the day he will be taking a loss because his insurance company will never replace his truck

so once again lets keep the blame on the person, who was driving while talking on the phone, failed to make sure the right of way was clear befor pulling out.
3/7/2014 6:55:28 PM
Sandra says:
Its easy to sit here and judge other people and how they should react in certain situations. Defensive driving comments might be true in theory but not in reality. When I watch the video there is nothing the driver could have done to prevent this accident whether he hit the truck or trailer this accident was going to happen. Cell phones kill people, mostly innocent people. The text will still be there when you get to your destination, or just pull over and use your phone. I was involved in a car accident recently with serious injuries where I was hit in my drivers door at highway speeds, I never saw it coming so you cant possibly sit here and judge how people should react. I suspect the driver that caused my accident was distracted by a cell phone
3/8/2014 11:06:37 AM
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