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Monday July 6 2015
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2014-03-11 at 16:10

Size of hospital not the problem, says former chair amid regional's 10th anniversary

Keith Jobbit,  former chair of the board for the Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre.
Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com
Keith Jobbit, former chair of the board for the Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre.
By Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com

Ten years after it first opened, the regional hospital's former chair of the board says a bigger facility wouldn’t have solved today's overcapacity issues.

Keith Jobbitt on Tuesday said despite a chronic shortage of alternate level of care beds, he believes the amount of acute care beds offered at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre is enough.

Where the gridlock problem is mostly caused by the lack of long-term beds available.

“The size of the hospital that we have with 375 beds, which includes eight forensic beds is adequate,” Jobbitt said.

“Where the problem lies is back in 1995 when we were talking to the commission. You need a good and sufficient number for long-term chronic care patients. They haven’t been supplied and the population is growing.”

He said it is up to Ministry of Health provides funding to directly address the long-term bed issue.

Despite the gridlock, Jobbitt said that patient care has improved with resources centralized at the one location compared to the previous dual hospital system.

In addition, the hospital has allowed for the creation of the Northern Ontario School of Medicine as well as various research opportunities.

“I personally believe that without the new hospital we wouldn’t have had the medical school,” he said. “Without the medical school, there wouldn’t have been the research institute and the hospital wouldn’t be designated as a Health Sciences Centre.”

He anticipates there will be further advancements coming up in the hospital’s second decade, including the ability to perform open heart surgery and better treatments and more capabilities in the cancer centre.

The hospital will be formally recognizing their first decade of existence on Friday.

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Rach M says:
To bring the LPH up to meet minimum standards for Long-Term Care they would have to do some upgrading to the facility. Even though the cost of the initial upgrade may not be overly high, once they start moving things around they'd have to remove the asbestos in the walls.. which runs a pretty high price. Plus, have you've walked through the LPH lately? I know I'd never put my grandparents in there the way it is. It's not a suitable venue for a new Long-Term Care home.
3/14/2014 10:52:20 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
The problem with the LPH is, its perfectly suitable as it is, so no crony construction company will be able to do minimal work there, for maximum dollars. That's how things work around here...that Thunder Bay Factor again folks...feed the already wealthy.
3/13/2014 5:11:49 PM
Avante231 says:
What if there was a beautiful facility already in existence within city limits.
One which sat mostly vacant nestled amongst acres of beautiful nature trails, equipped with gardens, a daycare center and a carwash, all resting at the foot of a lake?
A building with 10 separate wings that could house over a thousand patients, and already has hundreds of hospital beds sitting vacant?
Well we have one of those just off Algoma, and its ROCK SOLID.
3/13/2014 11:33:44 AM
unknowncronik says:
the real issue is the size of the paychecks they get
3/13/2014 2:29:13 AM
Jim Halpert says:
Anyone want to take a 'Gamble' on casting a vote for jimmyboy for mayor in the upcoming municipal election? squitti for his campaign manager...lol
3/12/2014 11:34:56 PM
Watchful says:
In order to stop the shortage, we as a city cannot close the other longterm care facilities. Seniors are growing in number and the new facility will not be enough. Then let us look at the abuse of the emergency dept, drunks, people with running noses, stubbed toes. This is an emergency dept, not a doctor' s office. Use the clinics thru out the city. As for those who are the chronic visitors who use the emerg because of being a chronic drunk, need of pain meds (abuse), I believe that a new facility is needed for those people. When emerg staff know them by name, we have a real issue. Maybe we need a healing centre also.
3/12/2014 11:11:24 PM
laughingwater says:
I cannot agree with this man. When the government forced Thunder Bay close down our two hospitals to make the new Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Center, the city actually lost 50 beds. We in this regional area really needed those fifty beds to be available, if not more than fifty beds.
3/12/2014 11:52:34 AM
bttnk says:
Most of the people chiming in on this issue really don't have a clue. Some of you are vocal about it being a mistake to centralize patient care suggesting we should have maintainted multiple locations across the city. But none of you mention that the operating costs per patient visit are about 65% of what they used to be now that corporate and clinical services are steamlined at one facility. Where do you think that money gets invested? Directly to patient care and expanding the services that the acute care facility offers.

Every city is having issues keeping up with the growing requirement for long-term care beds. Thunder Bay is no exception. They are building the Centre of Excellence for Integrated Senior’s Services (CEISS) that will again centralize patient care (LTC) and steamline services thereby reducing operating costs per patient served.
3/12/2014 9:27:21 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
...it really scares me anytime they name something a "centre of excellence" around here...you KNOW its going to fail...
3/12/2014 10:53:26 AM
rootbear says:
Guess I better get used to hallway living....
3/12/2014 8:34:03 AM
youngintbay says:
they should of built the hospital big enough for the region. I thought that was the point of this hospital.
3/12/2014 7:33:01 AM
caesarjbasquitti says:
Half-truths; The real issue !

In 1987 the first of several half-truths of the second type were observed and noted in the city of Thunder Bay. The concept of truths that lie, in the form of half-truths is key to resolving the health care issue.

First of all, health care in Canada, ranked 30th in the world is not a true socialized health care system. It is only publicly funded. The system has a key flaw in that it pays per visit, not per problem, not per hour, not per capita. One of the best health systems in the world pays its doctors a annual fee per patient, per year. Think about it. Doctors are paid to keep you healthy.

Remember when the hospital was being built..."design as you go"...seemed dangerous to me.

Some of us believed the money should have been spend on more nurses, more specialists, more equipment. I was told, if you have kidney stones, the equipment is in Winnipeg.

Oh and why, did they tear down the Port Arthur Hospital ? It was up to date, millions spent on it?
3/11/2014 11:39:15 PM
Jim Mckeever says:
You gotta love all the half truths spouted off as "real" by people who don't have to be accountable for making them. Yes, Dawson, Grandview and Bethammi will be closed and all the beds transferred to the new facility on Lillie street, but not a "loss" of 300 beds. Yes too many older patients who need LTC bed placement...Ministry of Health makes that decisions, not locally, and the bureaucrats, not the politicians. If it were an only acute care hospital and there were places for all the other people to go, supportive housing, with home care, LTC the hospital is right sized. But there's no funding for any of those options either. The health care system is full...and to change that you need investment in new capacity. Mr. Mauro, Mr. Gravelle, where does the current government sit on helping Thunder Bay solve this pressing problem? Oh yeah, more advanced warning lights and more Canadian content on mass transit? Really?
3/11/2014 10:20:37 PM
hadenough says:
See what you did Jim? Saying "half truths" is like saying Beetejuice three times.
3/12/2014 12:56:22 PM
tiredofit says:
The population of Thunder Bay is getting older by the day. Within 10-15 years there will be thousands more who will need the service and it just won't be there. Jobbit can say what he wants to try and save face, it was a bad move and design plain and simple. But hey, we can all wait in the hallways right?
3/11/2014 8:02:25 PM
musicferret says:
If there was not a single long-term care patient in hospital who shouldn't be there, we MIGHT have enough room. On a good day.

And thats just today. What about 5 years down the road? The hospital is far too small regardless and it surprises me that this man denies that fact.
3/11/2014 6:55:09 PM
captain says:
why does any story speaking about Long Term care, not remind people that the city of Thunder Bay is closing 300 long term care beds in our city. That is what our city council thinks of our seniors.

Mr. Jobbit, you did a fabulous job standing up for our city and ensuring we got a new hospital. Everyone in t.bay owes you a great deal of thanks.
3/11/2014 6:52:02 PM
Gordo says:
Because they aren't closing 300 beds in this city. The City entered into an agreement with St. Joseph's Care Group to house the 300 beds in the Centre of Excellence for Integrated Senior’s Services. The beds currently under the roofs of Grandview and Dawson Court will continue until the new centre is built. No need to fear monger here!
3/11/2014 8:44:43 PM
captain says:
when the new facility is opened, what is the city doing with their beds. Closing them. Who will be paying the freight for the construction. The province. Who will be paying the operating costs. The province. What is happening with the city's cash. They are keeping it by closing the 300 beds they currently operate. Just because the province stepped in, doesn't mean the city is not abandoning seniors. If the city kept theirs open, there wouldn't be any bed shortage, except the city took all of the money borrowed for seniors-to build a new home- and sunk it into a park.
3/12/2014 6:45:54 AM
unheard says:
it is a poor management issue nothing more
3/11/2014 6:47:00 PM
thunderbaycouncel says:
"the amount of acute care beds offered at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre is enough" UHHH NO! I work there. Every acute unit (pysch in general), is over occupied to a point where patients are sleeping in phone rooms and visiting rooms. I dont think Keith Jobbit is made correctly aware of the situation.
3/11/2014 6:42:22 PM
jimmyboy says:
All those involved in the original construction of this hospital have never been held accountable for the approved amount of $164 Million Dollars with it ballooning to $315 Million $$$$ and what in the end did we really get for that staggering amount of money...a sub-standard hospital from day one...nothing more and we are all paying for that mistake to this day...as will the entire region for years to come.!!!
3/11/2014 6:41:45 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Anyone here remember what Dr.Dhaliwal's opinion of the hospital project was? Well... I do. Now, I suggest you go interview him, to be fair.
3/11/2014 4:58:49 PM
enos012 says:
I would like to know roughly what he said. Please do share.
3/11/2014 5:57:09 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Good hospital care isn't a fancy Taj-Mahal...its money spent ON THE PATIENTS THEMSELVES. We had hospital buildings already, the money should have been spent on ACTUAL PATIENT CARE...not the current system, where only about 6% is actually spent on the client...sad, but true. It's not Health Care...its WEALTH CARE.
3/11/2014 9:49:00 PM
unknowncronik says:
Just like the new garage for ambulances, they wasted more monies on the look than the function. Another blunder is the new courthouse. Four walls is all that's needed, not huge open spaces in the foyer like @ the hospital...just a waste!!
Who needs to be impressed by the look of the building when the real issue of functionality has been lost? How many rooms could have fit in the huge void when walking into the hospital?
3/12/2014 5:54:37 AM
jimmyboy says:
When I last saw Dr. Dhaliwal it was at the going away reception held at the Vahalla Inn...he spoke his mind and we lost a great man and doctor...funny how the Manitoba Government choose him to be the head of their provinces Cancer Care when we could/should have still had him here.
3/11/2014 6:47:12 PM
Ranma says:
We seriously need a new hospital and new long term care beds. When I was in for kidney issues, I was stuck in a wing with all senior citizens who were in long term care, because that was the only place they had room. Out of the 20 or so rooms I saw, not a single person was under 60, maybe 70 years old.

We have been hung out to dry too many times up here.
3/11/2014 4:43:31 PM
leafsfanatic says:
I beg to differ. Walking through emergency this past weekend with stretchers lining both sides of the hallway, how could a bigger facility not solve that immediate problem? I understand more space doesn't necessarily solve the problem long term, but it would at least clear the people out of the hallway.
3/11/2014 4:22:25 PM
fastball says:
What he's saying is that there's a good number of patients occupying hospital beds that could be housed elsewhere.
We need more beds at places like St. Joe's or other facilities - so that patients that don't really need acute-care hospital beds can be moved there and cared for.
3/11/2014 5:30:58 PM
anvil of crom says:
Ahhh yes a simple minded notion, but let me clear that up for you.
Just because a patient is in a stretcher in a hallway does NOT mean they will be admitted to the hospital.
And isnt it obvious? it takes time for tests, blood work, Xrays, a specialist consultation ,etc etc before the matter of where a person will go, hopefully home, can be SAFELY sorted out.
AND No sorry its not instantaneous! The oh so precious commodity of time, is oh so precious for fishing , the game, or heading to the movies but people are in such a rush when their health is at stake!!
A clue here ...when its your health, its ok not to rush the process in fact its downright counter productive to one's well being.
Oh and dig deeper in the story, read it over, maybe a few times... the answer to you query is there!
3/11/2014 10:58:52 PM
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