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2014-03-31 at 15:25

Health rally

People get ready to march Monday at city hall.
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
People get ready to march Monday at city hall.
By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

An expiration date will cost the health care system billions of dollars a local health coalition says.

Around 50 people marched with the Thunder Bay Health Coalition Monday, part of a national rally to protest the expiration of the Health Accord March 31. The end of the 10-year agreement between the federal government and the provinces threatens the country's public health system and could lead to deep service cuts coalition co-chair Jules Tupker said. It's part of a slow erosion of federal support that will see it go from 50 per cent to 18.



The federal government will keep transfer payments the same until 2017. After that, it will be tied to the county's GDP. Without the accord, critics have argued the money will be given to provinces with no strings attached.

"They decided to cut back on that funding slowly but surely," he said before the group marched from city hall to MPP Bill Mauro's office and then to MP John Rafferty's.

"Our health care is going to deteriorate. The provinces cannot keep up the health care services that they have with those cuts," Tupker said. 

Coalition member Evelina Pan worries that without an accord, there won't be a national standard in place for health care. 

"With the death of the health accord we won't have good health care," she said. "If you don't have standards how do you know how good the care is."

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Toot Sweet says:
this looks much more like a union rally disguised as a "health" rally.

why are unions always crying?
4/1/2014 2:48:27 PM
NowayJose says:
Thanks S Duncan, I agree with you.
I worked in the US, 4 years (legally – under the free trade agreement). Canada cut me off after 2 years of US residency and rightfully so. Yes, this was years ago but I made the decision to pay approx. $185 biweekly for health costs, to a private health care provider. I was in emergency once and although my injuries were not severe, it was the coverage that helped me – I jumped out of an airplane.
I did move back to Canada after the job was completed. 2 years ago I helped a friend deal with a non-life threatening emergency. I helped her thru it and during our 20 hour stay, there were chronic drunks, pill poppers and people (in my opinion) who did not deserve the time of day by the hospital staff (great people)!
Obviously, this may not fit everyone’s situation but the Billions of dollars spent on health care and the waste of such has to be stopped. Will Canada and the powers that be, redirect some of its wasteful spending from “special people” (tax free) to all who deserve it.
No, I do not want to pay $7,500 for a broken arm, I do not want to pay $30,000 for chemo or $300,000 for a heart transplant but there has to be some reforms in the system. Yes, our health care system is the best in the world but it is choking all Canadian taxpayers.
P.S. If anyone jumps out of an airplane and gets injured, they should pay for it without my (our) tax dollars!
4/1/2014 2:30:28 PM
Enquirer says:
It sounds as though you had spent very little time in an American hospital ER, as I can personally attest to the fact that there are just as many "chronic drunks, pill poppers and people who did not deserve the time of day by the hospital staff" (sic) in an American ER as there are in Canada.

A common fallacy people seem to believe in is that, if you are uninsured in an American hospital, you get the boot. Not so. Physicians have an obligation to treat you in an ER setting (whether it be from a life threatening conditions such as heart attack or even ODing on pills) whether you are insured or not. The costs will be incurred no matter what at that point.

If insurance is not the golden ticket for admittance into an American ER, what stops all of the people you deem unsavoury from entering? It is a very big mischaracterization of Canadian health care if one believes those problems only exist here as you implied.
4/1/2014 5:03:10 PM
Dockboy says:
I can't believe what I'm reading in some of these comments. Don't you get it! Our health care system, admired around the world, is in jeopardy. Better wake up or you're going to be paying $180,000.00 for open heart surgery and $300,000.00 for cancer treatment,just like in the United States. What's happening to our country! Be careful who you vote for.
4/1/2014 9:19:13 AM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
The further Americanization of our healthcare system which will result in, as seen south of the border, that those with a healthcare issue will live or die based on the size of their bank account. Get sick die or become homeless. The Conservatives must go.
4/1/2014 6:34:20 AM
S Duncan says:
Everybody knows if you want real health care you get yourself to the US in a hurry because you'll die on a waiting list back here in Canada.

Do you have a big problem with people having the freedom to choose where and how they get their health care? If I wish to save my money and prepare myself with private insurance and arrange access to good quality health care, shouldn't that be my own decision?

Do you hate personal freedom? Do you hate freedom of choice? Do you hate others that may have more money than you? Do you hate people that look after themselves instead of demanding that the government look after them?

The US system of care is great. Best doctors, best service, best care. Do you have to pay for it? Yup. You're paying for it here too, you just don't realize it.

You can wait at the bus stop and catch the bus that government charges us for. You can call a cab and pay yourself. You can buy your car and take care of everything.

Why cant I have choices with health care?
4/1/2014 9:01:31 AM
Enquirer says:
Ah, I'll break the cardinal Internet rule of not indulging a troll.

Notwithstanding on the issue of autonomy of the people, the American health care system is quite simply one of the most bloated and inefficient health care systems in the world.

The administrative costs of a multi-payer system versus a universal system are huge; the American styled health care system costs primarily go to administrative duties rather than direct care - nearly a third of all health care expenditures in the USA are due to administrative costs; this figure is from 2003, and has risen since then (source: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa022033). In Canada? This was only 16.7% in 2003.

Best system of care? Far from it. Shouldn't someone like you who hates 'fat cat' sunshine list administrators be outraged at the waste of the American health care system? That is 1/3 money going toward people outside of direct care. I would hate paying an insurance broker instead of my doctor for my care.
4/1/2014 12:04:07 PM
Enquirer says:
And as a final aside to your initial comment on the issue of 'freedom' and 'personal choice', I have a very good suspicion you do not know much about the privatized American health care system if you believe you have unlimited choice in your physicians.

American health care insurance is often times highly restrictive, even on costly plans, as one cannot venture to a physician outside of the approved 'network' of care laid out by the insurance company.

Of course you could go to another physician outside of your network and pay out of pocket, which of course is easy for most Americans as the median income in that country is easily over 6 figures. /sarcasm

My, how free is that! Even with private insurance paid for out of pocket you are still highly limited in the physicians you see. Call me crazy, but if I paid the enormous amounts in insurance costs as most Americans do, I would expect me to have the pick of ANY physician I wished, networked or not.

But hey, that's freedom, right?
4/1/2014 12:11:55 PM
DaisyNuke says:
Really S Duncan? Everybody knows? So I guess that means that you travel to the United States every time you need medical care? Because, after all, why would you go to the doctor here since care across the border is so much better.
4/1/2014 12:24:22 PM
Toot Sweet says:
Isnt it nice to have options? If you have something serious ailing you should you have to wait 2 years to see a specialist?

or should you go to where you can get the service you require?

Just because you don't know how much better the US system is, doesn't mean nobody else does. Duncan can go where he wants, its up to him. That's his business, not yours or mine.

Just because theres better care in the US doesn't mean he cant go to the DR here for less serious issues. Plus as a taxpayer Duncan is entitled to the health care he and the rest of us pay for.

you sound like you have an axe to grind rather than a valid point to make. Did Duncan turn you down for a date or something?
4/1/2014 3:04:00 PM
cityisgreat says:
Melanie what's wrong with the rich getting access if they can pay for it.? Leaves more room for the rest of us
3/31/2014 10:41:02 PM
Melanie says:
We marched for all CANADIANS today, Not everyone can afford to pay extra for services that the government is taking away from us. The working class will not even be able to pay let alone people on fixed low incomes. Only the rich will be able to afford the private clinics and extra fees.!!!!!!!!
3/31/2014 6:37:22 PM
S Duncan says:
No you didn't.

Do not associate me with your march. The reason not everyone can afford to pay for services is because people like you and your group are costing us too much.

Your high wages and union tactics are no benefit to the average Canadian citizen. Your services are appreciated, however they are redundant.

You sound just like every other fear monger out there these days who tell us the world will end if we don't pay the wages you and your friends demand, or keep you employed.

Find another sucker, people are wise to your methods nowadays.
3/31/2014 9:25:49 PM
Melanie says:
Spoken like a corporate chief!!!!!!!
3/31/2014 6:29:43 PM
S Duncan says:
Marching accomplishes sooo much!

Nothing screams whiner more than marching up and down the street waving some $1.50 banners and hoping people will honk their horns to support you.
3/31/2014 4:46:51 PM
hadenough says:
And the raven calls the crow black
3/31/2014 5:25:44 PM
humnchuck says:
As opposed to frequent postings on an online news site under various pseudonyms?
3/31/2014 9:43:51 PM
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