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2014-04-16 at 15:22

Business bonus

The new courthouse opened Monday and businesses in the area say they
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
The new courthouse opened Monday and businesses in the area say they're already seeing more customers.
By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

Southside business owners are seeing more people through their doors and hope there's more to come with the opening of the new consolidated courthouse.

Although the new building only opened on Monday, nearby Steeper's The Tea People has already seen more traffic and customers. Owner Pat Ramirez said people have been buying tea and accessories and even holding meetings at her Victoria Avenue store.

"We're getting some interesting people," she said. "I'm really looking forward to meeting new people in the area.

Petrie's Cycle and Sport manager Nathan Petrie said a lot of new faces have been coming in to get skates sharpened and to look around.   

"It's great. The more people we have in the neighbourhood coming down to work every day, the better that is for us and I think it's a good thing for the revitalization of downtown," he said.

Crock-N-Dial's Kathy Skirving said business at her sandwich shop in Victoriaville has slowed a little since hundreds of construction workers finished their work at the courthouse. But employees at the courthouse have been stopping by. She's expecting more workers once they've settled in to their new offices.

With more than 1,000 people expected at the courthouse every day and an increased police presence Skirving is also expecting the area to be more positive.

"With more people it's safer," she said.

As for expected parking problems, the businesses say it hasn't been an issue. Skirving said maybe part of the perceived problem came from people expecting to park right in front of a business, something that won't happen often and isn't necessarily a bad thing.

"You might have to walk a little bit but you know what, we can all use the exercise," she said.


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Who-cares says:
Fastball. I was simply using you previous point with my comments. Perhaps you should go back and read what you posted to my initial comment.... You stated that these people can drive across town and that it only takes a few minute drive to get from westfort to PA. Well using your logic, building at the proper location at Innova makes absolute sence as it would only take people a few minutes to get anywhere in this city. Especially when it will only be utilized a few days a week in the winter and sit empty during the summer except for the odd show. Exactly what's wrong with this city.
4/17/2014 4:59:11 PM
fastball says:
Who-Cares.....you're missing my point (or choosing not to acknowledge it). It's not about WHERE it is, but what it accomplishes by its location.
The downtown location (while obviously terribly inconvenient for those that have to drive 15 minutes) is meant to hopefully kickstart an area. It's hoped that with the event centre, the downtown north area might be revitalized into an people/shopping/dining/entertainment district. Innova, for all its benefits (Parking and centralized) is merely an empty conceptual industrial park at this point. It would take decades to transform that area.
If the City's objective was to kickstart an industrial park, Innova would be the choice. But the City's direction was the envisioning of a new North Core...so that was the choice.
Agree or disagree, that's the choice that was made - so now we move onwards and upwards. As I said, I don't care as much as WHERE it is - but I can see the potential of what it could accomplish.
4/18/2014 9:06:17 AM
Who-cares says:
Not to mention there is ease of access in all directions, including walking trails, and bike paths where you can also get anywhere in this city. There are also many restaurants in this area as well, Applebee's, Montana's, keg, Caribou, 5 forks, just to name a few. And just to finish a point from earlier. If built at Innova, you have 2 of the largest employers in the city within walking distance ( hospital, university) not to mention a few thousand students, plus you have a huge residential base on the other side of the harbour expressway. Can someone tell me how many people either live in downtown PA, and work there? Come on if this (White Elephant) sorry... Event Centre is going to be such an economic driver for this city, let the entire city benifit and flourish, and not just a few blocks around downtown PA.....
4/17/2014 11:57:03 AM
Who-cares says:
Fastball: You have proven my point.
You say it's only 15 mins from Westfort to the Marina, I am assuming these people are driving. If it's alright for these 1000 plus people to do this a few times a week, keeping in mind like you say it's only a few minute drive. Why is it acceptable for a few thousand people to have to walk for up to 15 -20 minutes to get to the event centre. I thought Thunder Bay was all about fresh air and excercise, and healthy living these days? Why wouldn't the event centre be built in the proper location at Innove Park, with wide open spaces, a more natural setting, plenty of room for parking as well as future development. From this location you can be anywhere in town in a matter of minutes, 5 mins to Arthur St, 5 mins to Red River Rd, 5 mins to the Intercity area. That would mean every single Restaurant, hotel, pub in this city would benifit from the event centre. Not to mention this location is very close to the University, Hospital.
4/17/2014 11:43:44 AM
fastball says:
A more natural setting in Innova?
Let me see...Innova Park sits in the bush on a bog - with two expressways for views.
Downtown sits beside the largest freshwater lake in the world, with the iconic Sleeping Giant in the background. Yup...vista-wise, it's close. Maybe even a tie.
You've missed out on the whole urban vision thing, haven't you? It's not about creating a new neighbourhood at Innova, where everything has to be moved there - it's about revitalizing a district where everything already exists. There's stores already there - along with restaurants, bars, residences, and attractions. Why reinvent a district when one already exists?
Informal poll - how many people from PA or FW (or LU, for that matter) - would WALK to Innova? Answer - pretty much zip. Maybe a hardy few souls from Northwood - that's about it. This is a town where people would rather circle the Walmart parking lot a dozen times than park near the back row.
So a few thousand people live closer - big deal.
4/17/2014 1:25:58 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Bring the people back to the downtown areas. Bring the work back. Bring the living spaces back. I am afraid we will have to get rid of a few more living spaces in order to make room for parking
4/17/2014 9:38:50 AM
SMB says:
Oh, Dear Henry. Do you even know what "in waiting" means? It's a reference to a personal servant...somebody who waits upon somebody important, particularly nobility. It's the same reason we have "waiters". It has nothing to do with waiting to become something, like the mayor.
4/17/2014 9:22:19 AM
dockboy says:
Henry, why do I think Mayor Hobbs isn't biting his nails because your running against him?
4/17/2014 8:46:35 AM
Watchmaker says:
The Intercity area is plagued by box stores, and a general lack of pedestrian access. Innova Park has no amenities for the post event crowd.

Council - stay the course on the event centre. Don't listen to the vocal minority on this issue.
4/17/2014 7:29:22 AM
Who-cares says:
So if I understand the city's planning correctly this is how it works. If FW is the business district and PA is the entertainment district. At the end of the work day or week, every judge, lawyer, clerk, security guard, employee and would be criminal that either works at or has reason to attend the new court house. If they choose to either go out for a drink, dinner, or attend an event at our fantastic (new white elephant) event centre, has to drive clear across town to do so. Oh but wait, I'm sure with the addition of all of these well planned bike routes they will be able to cycle there also. When will the city council and administration stop putting labels on things and just let one area flourish naturally, instead of continuing the old FW / PA fued. Otherwise this never ending cycle of doing a litte bit here and there will continue never really get our city anywhere. Better yet just make the Intercity area the city's downtown. Stopping all of this nonsense!!!
4/16/2014 11:43:20 PM
fastball says:
God, can you be ANY more ridiculous?
It's not as if ALL 300 restaurants and pubs in the city are suddenly going to migrate over to the north side.
As for the commute ALL THE WAY over to the north side, ...it's gotta be what, 15-odd minutes from Westfort to the Marina? It's not as if we need to pack a sleeping bag and a bag lunch to tide us over on the trek.
4/17/2014 9:24:58 AM
S Duncan says:
If its not a big deal to travel a little bit from one side to the other..

..then whats wrong with putting the welfare dome in Innova Park?
4/17/2014 11:08:45 AM
jb says:
So your real issue with the event centre is the location?
4/17/2014 3:42:19 PM
TBDR says:
truth comes out
4/17/2014 4:31:53 PM
S Duncan says:

the whole welfare dome is the issue.

the fact that tax money is being used for frivolous things like that is the issue.

the fact that government is involved in entertainment is the issue.

the fact that people think they can use the government to bully other citizens into paying for their dreams of welfare hockey and entertainment.

the fact that city council meetings have become emotionally charged events instead of based on simple, basic and boring infrastructure discussions.

the fact that tax dollars are being use to wager on stupid legacy projects that local politicians use to prop themselves up hoping to add some sort of great accomplishment to their namesakes.

the fact that government is over reaching operating beyond its legal mandates but trying to change the language to justify itself.

and that's just the tip of the iceberg why I'm against this project and so many others. City council should be discussion traffic lights and sewers and how to lower, not raise taxes.
4/19/2014 8:57:53 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
It's a sad sign that we need such a Mosque of Justice this humongous to punish ourselves with. There's no plus side at all, in any hall of justice...only loss, pain, shame, anger and grief. Now that it's built, what's next for the taxpayer to feed local construction business with???
4/16/2014 9:03:16 PM
Young Professional says:
Try living in a society without justice. Anarchy and chaos wouldn't be the exception, it would be the rule. That is the only one positive justice brings to our society.

Think about it.
4/17/2014 8:09:30 AM
mysha says:
Comment to "The Cougar"...love it...too bad we cannot agree more than once.

tired of the self-absorbed, self-appointed!
4/16/2014 6:19:19 PM
ibrando says:
Jami, you are missing a very important point in the story. 1,000 people expected everyday at the consolidated courthouse plus increased police presence. North side event centre? Maybe half a dozen prostitutes and the Johns vying for their affection.....daily!
4/16/2014 5:46:30 PM
Seriously?? says:
Actually ibrando, there is no "very important point" in this story that has ANYTHING to do with the events centre. I think reading the first paragraph and headline will give you the "very important point": businesses in the South Core are seeing an increase in traffic AND customers.

How come everything is getting twisted to be an issue about the events centre??? Read the article and BE HAPPY that some businesses are benefiting!
4/17/2014 10:57:16 AM
Seriously?? says:
Haha, hoisted by my own petard! I apologize for the blast ibrando. I re-read your statement: you are right, the point is 1000 new people in the area.

However, I stand by that not everything in this city (or comments page) has to be about that events centre. Can't we just be happy that some businesses are doing better due to new construction? And yes my tax dollars (as well as the other 9 million people living in ontario) paid for a good chunk of that court house: it is afterall not a city run courthouse; it is a provincial building.
4/17/2014 11:08:26 AM
ibrando says:
Not a problem. We all make mistakes including me. This city can use a lot more people like Seriously??
4/17/2014 12:42:21 PM
Who ever said constructing buildings like a court house or even an events centre in a downtown core was a bad idea is ignorant, ill-informed and an old-world pessimist with an axe to grind against progression. This court house will make the south side more liveable, create new business, a walkable downtown and be a much-needed lift to the current businesses opertaing now. Next up: Northside downtown events centre! Lets get that moving and our sleepy little town will begin to move with the times!
4/16/2014 4:16:00 PM
chezhank says:
How about the BS or Both Sides of the story,what has happened in the areas where the old court houses are located?

henry wojak
mayor in waiting
4/16/2014 4:00:58 PM
The Cougar says:
That's not the point of this article. Why don't you do some research and inform us?

the cougar
wildcat in waiting
4/16/2014 4:10:17 PM
SomeGuy says:
You mean KFC on Arthur street? And not sure the Camelot was near anything that was within walking distance.
4/16/2014 4:19:32 PM
S Duncan says:
You mean Camelot court house was not within walking distance of all those great eateries and pubs that permeate the welfare.. err the entertainment district?

4/16/2014 6:43:34 PM
TBDR says:
I hear that Friends of the KFC are going to be holding a rally at the courthouse next week to voice their displeasure.
4/16/2014 10:30:32 PM
Enquirer says:
Simple. The one on the Port Arthur side of town is supposed to be having something rather large placed in that general vicinity...I forget the name...but you are heading up a group which is vehemently opposed to it, which in my mind is BS in regards to the 'both sides' and the...(well, you know what that abbreviation usually stands for) of the story.
4/16/2014 5:25:57 PM
fastball says:
What's your point, Henry? It's called urban renewal. It's inevitable.
This city FINALLY has a urban plan - a plan other than trying to put everything new in a CENTRAL location. We don't need to follow the "gotta be in the exact geographical middle of town as not to annoy anyone" Prime Directive.
Bring the people back to the downtown areas. Bring the work back. Bring the living spaces back. If you bring the working people back to an area...the people who earn and spend money - businesses invariably follow.
4/16/2014 9:19:46 PM
John@otb says:
Seems to me the BS is constantly coming from someone who obviously doesn't want any sort of development occurring in our city. Without any development, what will we have Henry? NOTHING! The mayoral candidate I vote for, will be the one who moves our city forward, not backward into oblivion. Go Hobbs Go!
4/16/2014 11:30:48 PM
S Duncan says:
he'll be going alright.

are you campaigning for him? don't you have other avenues to pursue for that?
4/17/2014 9:30:51 AM
bttnk says:
Do you honestly believe that Hobbs won't be re-elected? That is out there even for you S Duncan
4/17/2014 1:36:59 PM
keiths31 says:
Good. Nice to hear some positive run off to the surrounding businesses.
4/16/2014 3:54:37 PM
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