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Employer, employee expectations fail to see eye-to-eye in Northwest: Study

North Superior Workforce Planning Board executive director Madge Richardson
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
North Superior Workforce Planning Board executive director Madge Richardson
By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- There seems to be a mismatch when it comes to expectations for employers and hopeful employees in the region.

That's according to a new study commissioned by the North Superior Workforce Planning Board. About 28 natural resources companies and eight other businesses identified a number of technical and soft skills, such as a good attitude or enthusiasm, lacking in potential employees. 

"There didn't seem to be a perfect match for them when they were looking for work or in their search for an employee," board executive director Madge Richardson said.

While the issue is complex and the board is using the report to get everyone from industry to schools together to find solutions, Richardson said part of the issue might be training programs aren't keeping up with labour demands.

From computer literacy to mathematics, demands are constantly changing.

"It's going to take a concerted and collaborative effort," she said. "I think the expectations are growing."

The report will also help job-seekers learn a little bit more about what employers are looking for. That report can be found here

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ranma says:
I just love the fact that I have over 20 years experience, and when I apply for a job I get told I am either over qualified, or the job went to a friend/family member of one of the managers. It's difficult to find work in this city, with it's rampant nepotism, and greedy employers. If you want 5 years experience for an entry level position, it is no longer an entry level position.

Worst is when you have these jobs that state you must be 18-29 to be employed because they are using grant money. Discrimination at it's finest. Nothing like telling older workers that no one cares if you can find a job.
4/20/2014 2:47:53 AM
mystified says:
There is one employer in this town who advertises job openings with specific engineering qualification yet hires grads with no experience from Con College because they can get away with paying them $14/hr instead of the going rate of $26/hr.
4/19/2014 11:07:28 AM
tsb says:
I get paid just over $14/hr and I put tonnes of money into savings every month. If I made $26/hr I'd be living in a mansion. B)
4/19/2014 4:08:55 PM
hadenough says:
"Good attitude and enthusiasm lacking" They sure nailed it with that statement. I dread having to hire new employees and will take an older experienced one with life skills over a new or soon to be grad almost every time.
Generation Entitled is what we've created and it's being perpetuated by the HR departments, unions and government itself it seems. You have to be very careful in correcting an employee now in order not to cause hurt feelings. Work ethics and productivity are things of the past in some establishments.
The new workers in general, feel that they are owed the job, can do the minimal and expect the maximum reward.
4/19/2014 9:02:18 AM
S Duncan says:

Look down at mystified's comment. Theres perfect evidence. It seems he thinks that people should pay "the going rate" of $26/hr BUT in actuality, the "going rate" is the $14/hr that this employer is "getting away with".

Just because people get a diploma or qualification it doesn't mean they are worth anymore than what the job requires and what the employee is willing to do.

So one can cry all they want about what wage they "should be getting" but with a depressed economy and a city that's continuing its downward spiral the local job market will always dictate the wages, not a piece of paper.
4/19/2014 3:14:15 PM
Thor Odinson says:
Yeah, those of us who work multiple jobs while putting ourselves through school are so entitled. Sorry, and your generation had to do what to get a job, exactly? Graduate high school and show up at the mill? Yeah, we're the entitled ones.

How are the 'new or soon to be grads' supposed to get any experience if no one hires them? Why are you complaining about this problem when you're contributing to it? It's age-discrimination, plain and simple.
4/20/2014 12:59:21 PM
Dudebro says:
Tapak, what kind of world do you live in?
It isn't that easy anymore. Fire someone who doesn't pull their weight and they'll make a case with the labor board type bodies quicker than you can blink.
S Duncan is not too far off on his comments on this one...generally speaking.
"Newer people" on the job end up having to be babysat. Lack of common sense, no interest in being there at all and terrible attitudes. While it's not the case everywhere, its becoming more and more of a problem.
But, its good for those of us who do make the world go round because as many of the young people today just aren't up to the task of pulling their weight - it means people with good skills/experience and work ethic are going to be sought after in the workplace much longer as we grow in age.
Its tough to find people who want to work today and have good work ethic.
Playing music, being an expert IT person because you mastered Facebook and "know how to use the internet" just isn't going to cut it.
4/18/2014 6:23:58 PM
Tapak says:
Complete bs. I have been a successful business owner here for close to forty years. You need to hire well and treat your employees well. There re people out there to hire and so a great job, you won't find them if you are lazy or don't care. It's very easy to fill positions with great workers, I have no problems doing it. 3 different kind of businesses and others throughout he years.

I take issue with the fact this Duncan is saying one thing yet has claimed to have a number of jobs on these found depending on what story he is responding to. So for this one he is he boss of an unnamed business, its fishy.
4/19/2014 11:16:26 AM
Watchful says:
What I find are many apply for a position and expect $20.00 per hour with no experience. It appears that earning your raises to coincide with your experience no longer matters. I believe that my parents raised me to be responsible, respectful and to earn my place in the work field. It is called being a responsible adult who was raised with good work ethics.
Yes I do know that there are bad employers, however like bad teenagers, that is the minority.
Today we do not have the luxury of many jobs in this town, so when looking for employment at least show some enthusiasm because this job could just be the stepping stone to your future dream career,
4/18/2014 4:27:15 PM
progress now says:
Is there a surprise here?

Employees were very loyal and respectful when wages were something you could live with, and you knew you more than a job costed expense.

A lot of employers in town want a lot for not very much.

If people entering the workforce have attitudes, it may in no small part be due to their full understanding that they are not core expertise, and that they will be treated accordingly.

4/17/2014 10:13:33 PM
S Duncan says:
At my place we cant get employees to tuck their shirts in, pick up their feet when they walk, speak clearly and look people in the eye.

then, they cant seem to get out of bed in the morning either.

I end up covering for more of them than I can count.

I think this report is being too kind.
4/17/2014 11:05:21 PM
Tapak says:
Bs? You're covering for bums? What business has employees like this? You work for a crap organization then. Respectable businesses fire employees who don't uphold the employer's standards. Period.
4/18/2014 12:34:52 PM
S Duncan says:
Why do you think they get fired? I cover for them because Im the boss and somebody has to do the job.

and I wont ask any employee to do anything I wouldn't do. Most can barely make it the 3 months without screwing up repeatedly.
4/18/2014 3:49:50 PM
Rubenicky says:
You're the boss at what sort of job exactly?
According to you you have stated you have several professions...care to go back and check previous posts? Quit making stuff up to suit your posting compulsions.
Anyway, if a guy who sits at a computer all day refreshing and posting is the boss no wonder your "company" sucks!!

I call bull as this guy constantly lies on these comments. How many professions can person have when they are the "boss", let's start with the claim he works in insurance for example. Or how about that he is a small business owner, which is it? Business located where? Making stuff up to post with fake authority is not exactly kosher now is it
4/19/2014 1:57:56 AM
S Duncan says:
Hmm, a small business owner, insurance, and hires people who cant dress appropriately, walk properly, or get out of bed, and sometimes I have to do their work.

no, there's no businesses like that around, are there?

How about minding your own business? Why do people like you insist on making everything about me all the time? You'll do whatever it takes to try and attack my person because you don't like the facts, logic and reason contained in my comments.

that says more about you and people like that than it does me.

so tell all of us...

...why are you so infatuated by me? Don't you have your own life to concern yourself with?
4/19/2014 3:04:56 PM
AddyM says:
So......you work in insurance?

How is it you can make a statement like "Theres (sic) no such thing as un-bondable" if in fact you truly work in insurance? Because surely you would know that isn't true: you can be un bondable to an employer. Why would you lie?

Unless you don't really know. In which case again, why spread a lie?
4/21/2014 12:54:53 AM
FedupwithBS says:

You told us all you drive all day every day. My problem is your comments can be read by someone who doesn't know you are a troll and might lead to apathy about an important topic. Closing of military branches fair example. Lying about who you are to skew opinions, why do it?
4/23/2014 11:18:59 AM
whatelseisnew says:
For starters I agree with Duncan.

Second; there is this thing called "discrimination". Wearing a uniform in some places is mandatory but you cannot force someone to wear their hair the way you'd like them to or force them to shave or bathe. Believe it or not that is a human rights issue and firing someone for these reasons will end up costing you when they file a report at the Human Rights Tribunal.

And please don't fool yourself; I've worked with many people 10 years younger than myself and it's true about them lifting their feel to walk, they have ONE speed and it's slow. Another thing I love is when they call in because its snowed the night before. Just because school buses are cancelled doesn't mean work is...especially when they live in town 2 blocks away from you and say the "roads are too bad".

I don't think wage has anything to do with it either because at my place of business we make good $$$ and these people are still pretty much useless; even $40 an hour won't motivate.
4/18/2014 8:10:33 PM
old vienna says:
agree with your comment whatelseisnew. Remember the time when George Steinbrenner owner of the New York Yankees had a rule when you played for the Yankees no long hair and no beards. George allowed moustaches. Marge Schott owner of the Cincinatti Reds had a rule no facial hair at all. Loved the way these 2 stirred the pot.
4/19/2014 7:15:27 AM
tsb says:
Maybe you need to learn how to hire better employees.

I know a few contractors in town have no bondable employees! You'd think they would put more effort into choosing their staff but apparently not. Non-bonadable employees are less expensive to hire than bondable ones, they have less choices and thus will settle for lower pay.
4/18/2014 1:34:12 PM
S Duncan says:
Theres no such thing as un-bondable. Everybody is bondable, but at what price is the question.

The thing about hiring employees is you can never tell what you're going to get til they get on the job. The ones you expect to be wishy-washy can be the best ever. Theres no real sure fire way to tell til they get in the hot seat.
4/18/2014 3:52:32 PM
AngusC says:
Of course there is such a thing as un bondable. In fact you cannot tell an employer you are bondable if you aren't!

If you are a "boss" in the insurance business how do you not know this?
4/21/2014 11:28:29 AM
conker2012 says:
IT all has to do with government subsidies. IF subsidies for professional schools and trade schools would changes based on the demand, more people would consider these programs since they are more affordable compared to other programs.

This would stop the problems at LU where they pump out 200+ teachers a year into a market where there are a surplus of qualified teachers. Many unemployed educators are taking up other non related careers as a result. Basically if there is a need for trades people this program should get larger government subsidies to encourage enrollment.

To keep this fair there should be more merit scholarships in the low demand programs so that the best students will have best financial means of graduating.
4/17/2014 4:18:03 PM
lake superior guy says:
One thing that would prevent this backlog of new teachers being unable to find employment in their field would be to stop retired teachers from taking spaces in the supply rolls. Too many retired teachers with excellent pensions are so greedy that they go back and double-dip leaving people that are qualified and want to work, out in the cold. The various Boards of Education and the Ontario Government need to step up and stop this practice.
4/18/2014 12:13:50 AM
yqtyqt says:
Teachers being greedy. You have to be kidding right lol.

There was a time when double dipping off government money was frowned upon and those who did it were shamed as being far too greedy for society's liking & expectations.

Now, double dipping, from many taxhogs at all levels of government is happening without a hiccup. CEOs coming back to earn outrageous wages. Teachers occupying jobs that should be going to younger, smarter and more energetic teachers. Many with student loans anxious to start their professional careers with old farts standing in their way. Old geezer professionals looking for some extra tax-paid dollars on top of their government backed pensions and benefits. Greedy - you betcha. But what else would you expect when governments cater to these fat civil servant continually.

Why this happens? Because the governments allow it. Kick out our governments and put an end to this greed. Vote for any candidate who will free up these positions.
4/18/2014 11:17:24 AM
mystified says:
Any job is open to anyone who want to purse it. Even unemployed educators can apply and get hired in non related careers such as trades if they posses the skills the employer is looking for.
Just because someone gets schooled as a teacher you can't pigeon hole them into only being able to teach.
4/18/2014 3:10:59 PM
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