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2014-05-08 at 13:20

Event centre rally slated for Saturday

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Citizens for a Waterfront Event Centre are gearing up for a rally on Saturday they hope will show overwhelming support for the proposed $100-million facility.

The event will feature boot hockey games, music, food, clowns, prizes and guest speakers and will be held in the parking lot at the corner of Van Norman and Cumberland streets.

“This celebration is meant to draw supporters together to show city council and other residents that a majority of the public supports this project and Thunder Bay city council’s due diligence in this matter,” the group says in a release.

“The committee is encouraging members of the Facebook site Citizens for a Downtown North Core Multiplex, as well as other supporters, to join the fun.

The rally is slated to begin at 1 p.m., rain or shine.

Guest speakers take the stage at 2 p.m. and are expected to include Mayor Keith Hobbs, Jim Comuzzi of the Waterfront District Business Improvement Association, lawyer Dave Shannon, Royal Canadian Legion representative Rob Cutbush and Jason Susin and Rod Bosch of the CFWECC.

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Zelig says:
I can gather a lot of people under the banner of objecting to the event center by featuring clowns, prizes, music and food, too. Maybe include a wet T-shirt contest to really prove a point. This is silly and has nothing to do with a logical assessment of the merits of spending other peoples' money.
5/8/2014 3:20:47 PM
ibrando says:
Hey Keith,
Let's make this interesting. If a majority of taxpayers show up at this event to show support for the welfare dome (I would consider that overwhelming support), then sign the contract to build it! If not, hand in the keys to city hall Monday morning. Good luck getting 55,000 out. LOL
5/8/2014 6:14:26 PM
fastball says:
Let's see if more than 100 show up to support it - after all, wasn't that roughly the number of people OPPOSED to an event centre?
And wasn't the city supposed to throw out the anchor and bring everything to a screeching halt because of that OVERWHELMING opposition?
5/8/2014 11:31:19 PM
Eastender says:
Its a party, not really a show of support for or against. Heck, I will come and buy a hot dog, or what ever, and just come to people watch. But a show of support? Not exactly. Everybody loves a party.
5/9/2014 11:49:40 AM
ibrando says:
Yet you Fastball, are one of the loudest mouths on here consistently claiming that a majority of taxpayers support the welfare dome. So which is it? A majority or a few dozen support?
5/9/2014 12:17:59 PM
fastball says:
ibrando - I beg to differ. I've never once stated that there's a majority of taxpayers who want this. I've merely suggested that the Concerned Citizens group do NOT speak for the majority of taxpayers in the city.
5/9/2014 2:33:50 PM
tbaycat says:
The majority of the people showing up for this event are going to be people just like me. Give me free food and entertainment on a sunny afternoon ... hell yah ... I'll be there! Trying to use the numbers of people attending this event to prove the level of support for the proposed event center is so low level "marketing 101" that it just makes me laugh.... do you actually think that the people who will be coming out are real event center supporters? Free hot dogs and entertainment is really all that's it’s going to be about…..

5/10/2014 5:12:19 AM
The Beaver..... says:
“This celebration is meant to draw supporters together to show city council and other residents that a majority of the public supports this project and Thunder Bay city council’s due diligence in this matter,” the group says in a release.
So if a 100 people show up would that then count as a overwhelming support for this Lunacy
5/8/2014 3:26:09 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Funny the pro-eventers wait for the weather to warm up to have a rally . I guess they don't want to walk a few blocks or stand around in the winter .
5/8/2014 3:38:49 PM
signman says:
The citizens of Thunder Bay want a vote on the proposed Event Centre!

Nothing more and nothing less!

A boot hockey game and this type of propaganda
only makes city hall look very foolish!

The survey that city manager Tim Commisso wants to conduct of about 800 people is also a waste of taxpayers money! Cost approx.
($20,000 dollars)

Time for city hall to level with the taxpayers and give everyone a VOTE!



5/8/2014 3:41:45 PM
eventscentre says:
You get a vote when you cast your ballot at the municipal elections. How many times do you need to be told this? Don't you understand the system?
5/8/2014 5:00:36 PM
common cents says:
Maybe as we look into, and found out more information about our council and our Mayor. Now we have changed our views????

Flip Flop Hobbs
5/8/2014 7:09:40 PM
eventscentre says:
Yes but you're a tiny minority of 100 that don't understand forward progress. We can't give up on a 100 million dollar project because a miniscule group of 100 objects to forward progress
5/9/2014 6:52:15 AM
Zelig says:
I understand your aversion to going backwards but there are many other directions to choose from. Sometimes pausing is a good idea, too.
5/9/2014 12:47:50 PM
eventscentre says:
Ah yes, the infamous Thunder Bay pause. No, nothing risked nothing gained. Full steam ahead.
5/9/2014 5:29:26 PM
Common cents says:
Nothing is gained...

Name one increase to the tax base from this downtown location?

Please do tell ???
5/9/2014 10:42:22 PM
ring of fire dude says:
And there lies the trickery of Hobbs and Commisso . Instead of letting the citizens have a say with a plebiscite they will spin it as a "Vote for Hobbs is a vote for the Event Center" . Trickery at it's finest when there is no creditable candidates for Mayor or time for another contender to toss his/her hat in the ring . Hobbs seems to have the political pedigree for provincial or federal politics , where double speak , subterfuge and flip-flopping are the qualifications for the job . And to think I voted for this guy hoping he would clean-up this city , he's worse than Hamilton ever was as mayor .
5/9/2014 8:16:39 AM
realist says:
No, a few Negative Nellies who do nothing but bitch, moan and complain while expecting progress to come to a stand still because life has passed them by, want a vote.
5/8/2014 6:48:39 PM
Today1 says:
Maybe some people don't find a $4,100 daily loss ("starting point") as being progress. Wonder what they are complaining about?
5/8/2014 11:03:19 PM
conker2012 says:
Source your information Troll!

You are just making up numbers and have nothing to substantiate them!

Here is a fact! The final business case and likely operating costs will not be known until the end of phase 3. Until that time what you are stating is only some wild guess from an armchair QB.

Stop trolling and making up random information.
5/9/2014 1:54:51 PM
Today1 says:
Do have a calculator? Divide 365 into $1.5 Million. I guess that you would believe that City Hall is pulling wild guesses and giving out random information as well. Who's been feeding the public these make believe figures then? $100 Mill for the building, $1.5 losses. Fact is....City Hall. Is that good enough for you? Bit touchy. Now get out your calculator...have a nice day!
5/9/2014 6:01:22 PM
westfort_guy says:
Your not going to get a vote until October Mr. Ray Smith. And you don't speak for myself or the majority of the citizens of this city when you spout off statements like "The citizens of Thunder Bay want" whatever I say they want.

And this type of 'propaganda' is much better and more constructive than the angry and disrespectful events put on by your group of 100 Concerned Taxpayers
5/8/2014 8:25:12 PM
Geezer1 says:
Well, Ray, you speak for me and many, many other concerned taxpayers! In a few weeks TBaytel is going to deliver another $17M dividend to the City. Another$5-10M can be expected to go to the Infrastructure Reserve fund - better known as the "Mistake By The Lake" while what remains may go to necessary expenditures. This fund is nothing more than a piggy bank for developers who dream up these boondoggles and then get their lapdogs at City Administration to promote them. Its time to clean house at City Hall!
5/9/2014 10:26:54 AM
TBDR says:
City Hall/The City didn't organize this event. It's no wonder only 100 people take you seriously.
5/9/2014 11:21:11 AM
reese says:
Attewmpt to spend the taxpayers money one day then hang on to mommies apron strings the next
It seems no one can do anything for themselves
still on the bottle?
5/8/2014 4:56:30 PM
trips says:
is this a put up or shut up rally meaning when there are only a couple hundred tax paying citizens show up for free hot dogs which shows very little support that this group disappears..good luck in finding a parking spot
5/8/2014 5:12:53 PM
blah blah says:
nobody is stopping the nays from holding an event of any type to show support,so have at er, if anything it gets people out of their houses to enjoy a little fun and show support.
5/8/2014 5:17:12 PM
S Duncan says:
ahh, they cant stand on their own message so they have to bait people in with free hot dogs, boot hockey games, clowns, music, and PRIZES??

LOL! there's obviously a lot of clowns involved in this.

This group is embarrassing to the good tax paying citizens of Thunder Bay.

Who wants to bet that the mayor is there begging for votes?? I suspect Angus, Pugh, and a few other commun.. errr ndp wannabes as well.
5/8/2014 6:43:30 PM
fastball says:
Why should the wishes of the supporters be treated less seriously as the 100 who showed up at MJLB to voice their opposition?
You held up that mini-rally as some shining example of The Voice Of The People - yet you minimize a well-publicized, well-organized, grassroots rally of support?
The only thing embarrassing here is your double standard.
5/8/2014 11:37:54 PM
chezhank says:
It is unfortunate that this mayor,council and administration have decided not to give the residents of Thunder Bay a direct vote for a proposed event centre. They should have put a question on the ballot for the Oct.27 municipal election asking if residents wanted their monies spent on a proposed event centre. This may have engaged residents to discuss and decide themselves what they would like done with their monies and let them decide with a direct vote in the Oct 27 municipal election whether they want a proposed event centre. Even the Crimea had a vote,but this mayor,council and administration like to dictate! A plebiscite on the proposed event centre would show where the support really is for this proposed event centre, but that would be too democratic!
5/8/2014 7:17:46 PM
westfort_guy says:
I support this 100%. It's great to see fun and positive events like this in support of progress instead of the angry and disrespectful
mob meetings that the naysayers flaunt at city council
5/8/2014 8:34:04 PM
Shane Caker says:
Even the sun will be shining on the pro events center group with our warmest day of the year by far, so far. I'll bet that the antis will be only a few blocks away blowing their pensions in the casino.
5/8/2014 10:08:20 PM
blah blah says:
natural defence S DUNCAN when scared to resort to name calling and lashing out at a good planned event. Please try to keep your comments civil, if possible. thanks
5/8/2014 10:29:50 PM
signman says:
The naysayers are those in city hall saying nay to a plebiscite!

City manager Tim Commisso will stop at nothing until he rams this Event Centre down the throats of the taxpayers without a vote.

This is the wrong way to make anything a success.

A direct vote would clear the air and would stop this animosity.

It is ashame that one's agenda gets in the way of democracy.

Mayor Keith Hobbs before being elected stated projects like this should go to the electorat.
So much for his word!
5/8/2014 10:30:26 PM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
I am amazed that these supporters are so disillusioned with this events centre. From our Chamber of Commerce warning council to curb spending to events centres in other cities failing to consultants over estimating the potential economic benefits. Doesn't any of those supporters do any research on their own? Please loss the tunnel vision. I can understand the children supporting it but adults? Please educate yourselves.
5/9/2014 6:26:40 AM
klee says:
It is really unfortunate that we can't come together as a community on the issue of the event centre. I can see all sides of the story but really believe that we need something like this. Do I want to pay more in tax, not really, but I do want my children and the future taxpayers of this community to have something to stay in the community for. I see this as just the beginning of bring our great city into the future. I don't know about you, but I want my kids to stay here!
5/9/2014 7:23:07 AM
Eastender says:
An event centre does not keep people from leaving or staying in a community. Strong family ties is what keeps people in communities. Good economic opportunities for youth to see hope in the future of their communities, and see a route to their own personal affluence. That is what keeps people in communities, and cities. Good family values, engender good friendships, which along with economic prosperity, makes a community worth living in. And along with affluence comes all the frills.

But empty phrases such as "bring our great city into the future" just cloud the issue and present a rosy picture for those easily fooled, and who think with their hearts instead of their minds.

You want your children to stay here, be very concerned about taxes. You cant get ahead when fools spend your money for you.
5/9/2014 12:27:07 PM
roadmaker says:
...will be held in the parking lot at the corner of Van Norman and Cumberland streets.

T Who owns that parking lot? The City of Thunder Bay owns that parking lot. Is there liability insurance involved here? Who pays for that? An event of that size with potentially 50,000 attendees held on public property should have some insurance that removes the City of Thunder Bay from all potential liability and covers any damage that may be done to the property. No?
5/9/2014 7:24:00 AM
john@otb says:
The Citizens for a Waterfront Event Centre Committee coughed up the funds to ensure that this event is covered for liability. You will find that insurance is a big part of the planning process that goes into hosting an event like this. It takes weeks of hard work and organization to put something like this toghether.
5/9/2014 8:00:55 PM
Clete says:
All you nay sayers make sure you bring your pots and pans to bang on. But you can't have any free hot dogs.
5/9/2014 8:14:44 AM
Tbayvoter says:
I have and will continue to vote on ALL levels of government. This in turn gives me the freedom to Voice my opinion. Those that don't vote I would request that they Quietly keep their opinions to themselves. As for anyone else they are entitled to their opinion. My ONLY request is DO NOT put words in my mouth that I have not spoken. Once the studies are in and completed and I can review them myself, that is the time I will Want to cast my vote on the Event Centre. JUST my opinion based on a PROMISE from Keith Hobbs a few short Years ago.
5/9/2014 8:56:42 AM
signman says:
" The public has to make this decision, not the council, not the mayor," Hobbs said.
( from TBNewswatch, 2011-06-02)

Hobbs thinks the fix is in among consultants and city administratiors to arrange that in order to assure the waterfront district gets the multiplex.
(CJ Editorial April 27 2012)

Do I need to say more!
5/9/2014 11:49:11 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
The MA-ARENA will be another building that will be built too small here in Thunder Bay, but they wanna keep pushing that location while we have nothing but land all around us!
The MA-ARENA dosent need to be built right downtown like the bigger cities because land around us isn't the issue!
The issue is the new hotels that have already been built that I'm sure were promised the MA-ARENA to be built there.
It's nothing but politics again while forgetting the taxpayers opinion.
Just sad!!!
5/9/2014 12:10:39 PM
zeppelin says:
Who cares!? What is wrong with having a rally to support something fun for the city, while doing something fun in the city? Makes sense to me. There will always be the people who just love to say no, who would rather just have things stay the same for fear of change, who would rather save money for the practical things rather than have a little fun once and while, who will always have something negative to say....
Have a great rally guys, the weather should be nice, don't let the naysayers get you down.
I think the differences in the type of people who are for and against the events center is pretty evident here. The "no" voters are even complaining about an event to support the event center! You had your time to complain at city hall, now let the other side show their support for the project in their own way!
5/9/2014 12:31:15 PM
my 2 cents says:
I take some issue with people insinuating that council is given absolute right to speak for me because they were voted in. First, my vote may not have been for that specific person (which I personally feel gives me the right to oppose). Second, I have yet to find a candidate that represents 100% of my beliefs and values in any election where I have cast a vote.
Governments, like any other agency require checks and balances to keep them in line. I politely decline to play dead and only have my voice represented election to election.There is nothing wrong with a little civil disobediance on occasion.
I have not made up my mind on the event centre yet, but cannot support annual high losses to fund it. That being said, all the facts are not available at this time. BTW that statement is directed at both sides. Closed minds and open mouths are rarely a good blend.
5/9/2014 12:59:18 PM
Pandora says:
Is there any reason why, legal or otherwise , that the people that support this project can't start a FUND RAISING initiative ? A fund raiser would impress me. This would be a true gage of support...Show just how much they support this Event Centre.
A million raised would impress me!
Why don't the people that support this project put their money where their mouth is...it's just too easy for those, some of which will benefit directly and then there are those that think they will....benefit from the project.
To hold a play day...giving away FREE hotdogs ....To gage support with free hotdogs is ludicrous.

For example in the States they raise money with lotteries and pull tabs for public arenas and stadiums. Why not here?
You people that support this project should be able to figure out a way to raise some funds from your supporters.
5/9/2014 2:06:36 PM
fastball says:
Well, considering we don't even know if this project is a go yet - soliciting private donations at this point might be a tad premature, don't you think?
5/9/2014 3:23:57 PM
S Duncan says:
No more so than throwing a party with clowns and free hot dogs is.

Hey, are they trying to bait the homeless hungry people by offering free hotdogs?

That's just like the liberal party buying packs of cigarettes for the homeless/vagrants to get them to vote.

and in case didn't already think this was stupid enough, they are using clowns to try and bait your children as well. Why kind of parent wont stop in when their children see a clown and want to stop?

very underhanded tactics from a bunch of welfare dome dreamers, and with all the intent to steal your tax dollars today, and for every year its in existence siphoning money from the good people of Thunder Bay.

Anyone look at the mayors twit page? His #1 thing listed above Grandfather and Mayor is "Bruins Fan"...

...is this guy our mayor or a hockey fan? I think he should step away from this project due to his blind faith in anything hockey...

.. and while youre at it, stop flying flags at city hall everytime you lose another bet.
5/9/2014 5:01:58 PM
fastball says:
Don't forget the mind-control CD's that are being sold out behind the chemically-laced Kool-Aid stand. If you play them backwards, you can hear the singer clearly saying "Socialists of TBay, meet us at the welfare dome" over and over again.
That sounds just as ridiculous as your post.
5/9/2014 10:28:55 PM
Enquirer says:
Hit the nail on the head!!!!!!111111

While we are at it, there are a few other things I have a bone to pick with in regards to wasteful spending.

I see the city is ramping up efforts to fill potholes; great, but what about the streets I don't drive on located in the opposite end of the city? Why are my tax dollars even going toward streets I have never even driven on?!

I say, let the people of those streets get out there and start fund raising to have potholes filled. I for one am sick of subsidizing their road work when I am never even over there!!!!!1111

Let them fundraise all of the funds themselves if they wish to have an even level street devoid of holes. Don't anyone out there try the whole "needs vs wants" argument on me! To me, those pothole fillings on roads I never drive on are 'wants' of those citizens, not mine, therefore, let them pay for it all!!!

/sarcasm

See how well that argument works?
5/9/2014 7:22:22 PM
john@otb says:
Where do you read free hotdogs??? No where does it say free hotdogs in any material released for this event. Is this your way of spewing false information to make this group look bad? Try reading the information before commenting!
5/10/2014 3:04:46 AM
Zelig says:
This debate is being mis-labelled as 'pro-event center' versus 'anti-event center' when really it's about the process being used to make it happen. Imagine a few of your neighbours deciding that the neighbourhood would benefit from having a playground. You don't have kids, so you don't think it's necessary but the parents around you are really enthusiastic about it and can accept the costs involved. When you politely suggest that you don't want to chip in they get upset, particularly when they do the math and realize their contribution would have to be higher. Some bright mind suggests borrowing the money and everyone only chipping in to the monthly payment. You're not swayed because you know that you'd be paying even more because of interest. Your neighbours hate you now and think that you're selfish, all because you want to use your money as you see fit. Do you have that right?
5/9/2014 3:55:22 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
All you construction company unionists better get out there! Bring gramma and grampa, too. Should the IATSE stage hand union show up, or will this venue go non-union like Magnus?
5/9/2014 5:03:46 PM
Whodo says:
I guess Water Street wouldn't get fixed (pot holes) until they build the Arena???

It's dangerous driving at that speed and trying to avoid wrecking your vehicle. I guess I know now why more people here drive trucks!
5/9/2014 6:58:02 PM
Eastender says:
I hardly think my comment was innapropriate, yet you removed it. Did someone flag it. You also removed fastballs reply, which kind of tickled my funnybone. But why? Isn't it the point of this site to give ones opinion and encourage debate? Even if it does get a little heated at times, it makes for great entertainment, and isn't your site partially about great entertainment?
5/9/2014 7:26:13 PM
fastball says:
Didn't you use the full version of the "BS" word?
That must have offended some little delicate flower, hence the removal.
You're welcome for the chuckle - it's possible to debate with a little smile on occasion as well.
I'll buy you a hot dog if you come out on Saturday.
5/9/2014 10:23:04 PM
Leith Dunick says:
Correct. No swearing here, please. You can get your point across without curse words. And Fastball, it's kind of standard on most, if not all, media comment boards.
5/10/2014 10:15:41 AM
Eastender says:
Thanks for the heads up guys, it just didn't occur to me that cow p....h would be tabooh!
5/10/2014 10:48:11 AM
Enquirer says:
Careful, Leith!

You are treading on dangerous waters here. I give it a few minutes before someone comes and reminds you of the Magna Carta and how you are stifling free speech.

Of course, that silly little fact that this is in fact a privately owned, operated, and run news service that reserves the right to post, remove, and/or edit comments as they see fit just gets in the way of misguided, unwarranted accusations of infringements on "muh freedums".

This is what happens when you let certain members treat this site as their own personal spouting off grounds.
5/10/2014 11:28:17 AM
fastball says:
Leith, I know. Sorry if I snarked. I just assumed that if his comment was posted in the first place, that his language was acceptable. I noticed his post was deleted hours later, so I wondered if someone whined - or someone in charge finally noticed his blistering profanity.
Buy hey, good call. Someone's gotta rein in that Eastender guy - he's got a mouth like a sailor on him. (wink)
5/10/2014 12:55:10 PM
Leith Dunick says:
I think it slipped by the person who posted it. I saw it later, and removed it. Just trying to keep the discussion family-friendly.
5/11/2014 12:48:36 AM
Eastender says:
Sometimes my fine manners and good judgment are overwhelmed by my passion, and my poolroom alter ego takes over. I shall endeavour to keep him in check.
5/11/2014 2:40:52 PM
trips says:
with hobbs digging a hole so deep even he cant see above it along comes boshcoff for mayor to be the saviour
5/9/2014 7:51:16 PM
john@otb says:
I wouldn't be going to this event expecting free hotdogs. I haven't read any media release, social media message or any poster around town that is advertising free hotdogs, so please don't go to this event thinking they will be handing out free food. The popcorn will be free, that is about it. If you can't stand up and support, than sit down and respect. The supporters of this project allowed those against the project their say, you can do the same for the supporters!
5/9/2014 8:58:32 PM
moi says:
Apathy runs rampant in Thunder Bay.
I find it a little sad, that after everything's said and done,in a city of @100,000 only a tiny fraction actually make the effort to attend any rally,whether pro or con,for any project.Lets hope city residents use their voices/power in greater numbers when it comes time for an election. THEN we'll see who gets the last laff when it comes to how the city has been managed...
5/11/2014 11:08:12 AM
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