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2014-05-09 at 16:37

100,000 cuts: Unions, candidates react to PC plan

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- A member of the Ontario Public Sector Employee Union’s Northern Ontario executive branch says she’s not sure how the Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak’s plan to cut 100,000 public-sector jobs won’t have devastating effects in the region.

Mary Cory said the plan, which would also freeze government worker wages and lower government spending in every sector but health care, said Hudak has promised to create a million jobs as part of his election platform.

The budget-balancing promise was announced on Friday, with Hudak saying he’ll put Ontario back in the black by 2017, a full year ahead of the Liberal’s already announced plan.
The cuts would be particularly damaging in the North, Cory said.

She pointed to communities that rely on the public sector for high-paying jobs in natural resources, the environment and the Ring of Fire, particularly in the Geraldton area.  Who’s going to police those areas, she questioned, if the cuts are made?

“I can’t imagine how he’s going to do it, how he’s going to justify it to voters in the North,” Cory said, reached by phone.

Conservative candidate Harold Wilson, seeking to unseat Liberal Bill Mauro in Thunder Bay-Atikokan, said Hudak’s plan is more about pulling back the public-sector workforce to 2009 levels, adding the government has added 300,000 workers in recent years.

While the cuts, which won’t affect health care, would certainly be felt in Northwestern Ontario, they’d likely impact southern Ontario, Wilson said.

“We’ve already had our cuts,” he said, referring to the Liberal paring back of Ministry of Natural Resources staff.

“I don’t see this as having an impact here.”

Wilson did say he’d like to see the majority of the Conservative cuts aimed at middle-management and not service providers.

Liberal candidate Michael Gravelle, fighting to keep his seat in Thunder Bay-Superior North, said the plan makes no sense.

“I think Mr. Hudak need to understand you cannot create jobs by killing jobs,” he said. “He’s talking about 100,000 jobs. Those are services people absolutely rely on.”

Gravelle went on to say the plan could hurt the North in other ways, specifically reducing the size of cabinet, which he said could jeopardize the future of the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines, the portfolio Gravelle held before the election writ was dropped earlier this month.

Meanwhile Thunder Bay-Atikokan NDP candidate Mary Kozorys called Hudak’s plan a travesty.

“I am shocked by Mr. Hudak’s approach. This isn’t the time to be cutting jobs,” she said.

“We need to look at plans that create local jobs and reward those companies that do create jobs by making investments. You don’t create strong communities by cutting jobs.”

Hudak maintained Friday his plan will save taxpayers $2 billion annually, and claimed government is growing bigger than Ontarians can afford.

“We’re spending more and more with money we don’t have and piling up enormous debt,” he said in a release.

The more government spends, he added, the longer the province will stay in an economic rut and the more jobs will be lost.

Ontario voters go to the polls on June 12.

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GSP says:
Hudak is a nut.
5/9/2014 5:07:50 PM
S Duncan says:
Wynne is nuttier
5/9/2014 5:23:03 PM
Eastender says:
Reality is a harsh mistress.
5/11/2014 8:10:26 AM
S Duncan says:
How many public sector workers are they in Ontario? Over 1 million.

If we want to get things back in order we're going to have to make some changes. Those changes are cutting back on sunshine listers despite how much they cry out and fear monger.

We cannot keep going the way the liberals have with certain bankruptcy on the horizon. The NDP will only take us further down that path with their socialist ideals that failed everywhere they were implemented.

Hudak isn't perfect but their policy is the only one that will save Ontario...

..plus its only the PCs that will continue to push the issue to bring to justice those Liberals that stole BILLIONS of our dollars through a laundry list of scandals.

If you want to see politicians held responsible for stealing the public's money and have their cronies pay the legal price for their illegal actions, then you can only vote for the PCs.

Hold these bums responsible for once, vote for Hudak because Andrea has already let them slide.
5/9/2014 5:08:21 PM
curmudgeon says:
@ S.D.

What a complete load of bunk! Please at least make an atempt to see the biger picture. A couple of posts futher down will help you in that regard.
I'm so glad Hudak [a self-admitted mouthpiece who knows not what he speaks of] has opened his mouth to remove all doubt. I say keep talking Tim; keep on digging that hole for yourself.
5/9/2014 11:28:06 PM
Curmudgeon says:
@ S.D. (again)
So clearly Hudak has heard the message vis a vis hole digging. In the news today; 'Hudak compares equalization payments to welfare.' So just to recap, Tim wants to get rid of 100K workers AND get rid of equalization payments from the feds. Wow. The man is working without a net for certain! Keep talking Timmy....
5/10/2014 8:11:03 PM
curmudgeon says:
More breaking news from that ecnomic policy genius Mr. Hudak; 'Hudak wants to decrease corporate taxes by 30%; will create 120K jobs'.

I wonder what Tim thinks business has been doing with their already record profits across North America? Have they been creating jobs? No,they have been sitting on that money and waiting for a winning investment opportunity.

If he cuts business taxes by 30% that's 30% less revenues for the government, 30% more profits for the business sector. They will say 'thank you very much Mr. H; we'll just tuck that away for awhile and pad our bottom line'.

Of course that's what they will do; why would they not? The hole is getting deeper and deeper Tim so for goodness sake keep digging!
5/10/2014 10:34:14 PM
ibrando says:
The City of Thunder Bay should be looking at massive cuts to get our debt under control. Tim Hudak for Premier and Tamara Johnson for Mayor. Now those two would make the tough but necessary decisions.
5/10/2014 6:54:16 PM
mystified says:
He only cares about his own pockets.
5/9/2014 5:16:27 PM
pc says:
He said MPP's salaries would be frozen for 2 years along with public sector workers.
Sounds good to me.
Something has to be done to get this debt under control.
Get rid of the fluff and that is a good start.
Harris came to power and cut jobs in the public sector. One man was being paid top wages to fill the water bottles in the offices. Everyone thought it was bottled water and it turns out he took the bottles to the basement and used a hose to fill them from a tap. So we were paying for bottled water and it turns out it was tap water from the city water supply.
That is the type of thing that has to stop.
5/9/2014 5:48:45 PM
mikevirtanen1961 says:
The last MPP pay raise was 5 years ago. And just 6 weeks ago, the Liberals proposed another 5-year freeze, but Hudak and co shot it down.

I would hope that the person filling water bottles would have been arrested, regardless of who was in power.
5/9/2014 6:19:47 PM
pc says:
he was in the union so could not be fired.
5/10/2014 8:15:43 PM
S Duncan says:
If that was true he would not be advocating for these reasonable job cuts.

He would instead be pushing for more public service jobs and enjoying the wealth the unions provide for him (and themselves). He would promote mass transit so those unions could also pay his and his party's way through backdoor methods. He would be hiring more of his cronies to hold himself up higher, and stacking his own deck on the bottom to raise himself up higher.

WAIT A MINUTE!!

that sounds just like the unelected wynne government and the commu ..err socialist NDP ones!

At best the Hudak haters can only muster a few coherent words together to discredit his policy and those are "Mike Harris".

They don't actually discuss the Harris years and necessary cuts he had to make to get us this far, they just mutter those words and pretend it was the most awful years this province ever endured.

but today here we are with double the debt we had when the libs took over 10 years ago, and bordering bankruptcy.
5/10/2014 9:08:38 AM
fastball says:
Hudak is merely taking a page from his Conservative mentor, Mike Harris.
The quickest way to "balance" the budget is to reduce your costs - and since payroll is your biggest cost, that's the one that gets pared to the bone.
Sure, the budget gets "balanced" because your costs are down - but anyone with 2 working brain cells can see that the work still needs to get done - but by whom?
Walkerton happened because after the Harris Purge, there were literally only a handful of inspectors for Ontario on the job. He cut nurses' aides out of the equation - leaving only nurses with multiple degrees, making 50K a year to handle bedpans and move patients - as well as their other duties. Facilities closed and mental patients are on the street - because of cutbacks.
They will crow loud and long about "balancing" the budget - yet the real costs will come back to haunt them in a few years, when the reality of all the cuts hit home.
5/9/2014 5:48:51 PM
hadenough says:
^^ Well said.
5/9/2014 5:55:30 PM
Enquirer says:
fastball, quit making sense! You know this site is not for logical arguments or points.

You know just as well as I do, a few certain members of this site and concerned group which I forget the rest of the name of, would trumpet massive cuts as glorious reformation of sorts. You also know that the moment services were not up to snuff or there was a stark decrease in service quality, they would be the first to yell for more cuts, or point to equally as oblivious reasons for a lack of quality services.

It becomes almost comical when you try to envision what else these people would point the finger to. You could essentially cut everything and these people would call for more cuts.

A balanced budget is great, don't get me wrong, but when you create widespread economic harm to get there, it really does become a shallow victory. It becomes cyclical; cut the average joe's job, he goes on EI, his health declines, etc. all of these things lead to more strain on the system.
5/9/2014 7:32:38 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
Guess it is much more logical to keep running up the debt, lets ignore e-health, ornge, the cancellation of the power plants, the pandering to the public sector unions etc. etc. If it is factual that the public service has been increased by 300k. since 2009 then I don't think the sky will fall in if they reduce that number by a third. If the Liberals were a true moderate or centrist party we wouldn't need to worry about the extremes of the PC's and the NDP.
5/10/2014 8:26:06 AM
Enquirer says:
Where did I say increasing debt was better?

As an aside to that, you obviously have little to no concept of governmental debt; it is starkly different from personal debt whereas you or I go into massive debt, we generally do not see return on that investment. The government increases debt on infrastructure and personnel you have now opened up 2 avenues of seeing return in the form of taxes and/or other income from that infrastructure.

But hey, ignore my logic here. It is much easier to feel great about things when the books are balanced. I'm confused though; when joblessness increases, EI claims skyrocket, food banks are no longer able to meet demand, government revenues from taxes shrivels due to a smaller base....what good are balanced books then? Why not be creative on how to balance debt?

Oh that's right, "the job creators" will surely be there to pick up the slack. I have NEVER heard of a case of CEOs of private firms pocketing more money on higher profits over hiring people.
5/10/2014 11:20:27 AM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
What a bunch of gobbly gook that is!! A billion dollars to cancel the power plants for political reasons, many millions wasted on e-health, orange and millions doled out to keep the unions on board...that's your idea of government debt?...big difference in debt that is taken on for a constructive purpose and simple waste or worse. And by the way I wonder how many times you have been elected to a municipal govt. I have been elected twice...I don't care what party you support but ideology should not be a reason to condone waste and abuse of the taxpayers...
5/10/2014 5:18:28 PM
Enquirer says:
Gobbly gook! Balderdash! Poppycock!

Naturally, you know I am going to ask who are you exactly and what municipal government you held a position in twice so as to appraise your track record, but I can rest assured you will make up an excuse to not tell me.

While we are at it, I have been elected to municipal government 7 times...take that! But I must remain anonymous, alas. Rest assured though, I am the best to ever hold that position. See how easy that is to say?

I am truly confused as to why you are straying to topics that pertain to people other than the one in this news article/the one I am addressing; I have not once mentioned any of the issues you raised, nor have I praised those issues. Why can you not stick to the topic of 100,000 public service jobs being cut? Are you that desperate to 'win' that you bring up topics that have absolutely nothing to do with 100,000 public service jobs being cut?

I see that Hudak is also proposing a 30% tax cut to corporations; my oh my...
5/11/2014 1:51:27 AM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
I for one would much rather post under my own name because then we would know who is talking for themselves and who are acting as agents for others, by the way glad you were elected seven times...very impressive. If you look at my posts you will see that I most certainly do address the issues in this article and particularly the 100,000 job loss. I stated that if the numbers are true about the public service numbers increasing by 300,000 since 2009 then I don't believe reducing that number by a third would be that big a deal...I have also commented on your claims about municipal debt...You seem to think that my references to the huge debt this govt. has rung up is not on topic...Really?? The doubling of our debt is brutal, particularly when a lot of this has nothing to do with good governance and more about mismanagement and possibly criminal actions...This kind of out of control spending is the very reason many people turn to the PC's, warts and all to try and right the ship...
5/11/2014 6:33:08 PM
Enquirer says:
Before any further debate can go forward, I will point out that you said: "I for one would much rather post under my own name because then we would know who is talking for themselves and who are acting as agents for others [...]"

It not being a stretch that you would reasonably mean your "own" real name in real life, then by all means, please go ahead and post under your real name so my appraisal of your track record can begin!

After that, I can address the other flawed parts of your argument and perhaps even use your own examples as to how they are incorrect.

I am waiting!
5/12/2014 7:30:13 AM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
Yeh right, I am going to post on an anonymous line to someone like yourself, for your approval!!! give me a break!! you continually skirt the issues because of your 'Flawed argument' which is rooted in your belief that government debt is different than personal debt. Debt is debt and must be manageable...taxpayer money should be used for its intended purposes (traditional infrastructure needs) and not seen as an endless stream of cash to take away risk from the corporations nor to pander to special interest groups like the public service unions.
5/12/2014 9:38:18 AM
Enquirer says:
Ah, that's the stuff!

Just when I thought I wouldn't get that classic grade 6 response of: "Oh yeah?! Well I don't wanna!", you pull through for me. Thank you!

You must have done a really poor job at your municipal government posting if you are unwilling to even discuss your track record. That is unless you have somehow made yourself believe that gathering the gang up to go for your morning Tim's is municipal government and are embarrassed to admit so?

Debt comes in many different forms, and no, they are not all alike. I am sorry to say, but when every leading economist in the world makes a distinction between public vs. private debt, I am more inclined to believe them than you, Henr..."p.o.ed taxpayer".

Here is some great grey literature that spells this out nicely for you to start off with:

Happy reading/self educating!
5/12/2014 5:14:17 PM
pc says:
The only way to balance a budget is to cut your costs. Spending or borrowing just does not work.
Walkerton happened because 2 brothers hired before the conservatives came to power fudged the numbers and didn't do the tests.
And you think that spending like drunken sailors is not going to come back to haunt us. Our great grandchildren will be paying this debt.
This Liberal gov. with its spending and no money for health care is killing one little girl.
They won't fund her medicine and without she will die. With it she lives a normal life and tests negative for the cystic fibrosis which will take her life if she goes off it.
I would much rather have cuts and a balanced budget so programs can be set up to help people not government or their friends.
Buy votes in the north by saying more money for the ring of fire.
Save a couple ridings by cancelling the gas plants.
Buy votes in ridings by opening hospitals.
Where is all this money coming from?
Our grandchildren of course.
5/9/2014 7:35:44 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
"Walkerton happened because after the Harris Purge, there were literally only a handful of inspectors for Ontario on the job." Of course the unscrupulous employees had nothing to do with this...don't let the facts get in the way of a good story....
5/9/2014 7:43:48 PM
fastball says:
Yes, there were some employees that had not done their jobs properly - and that would have been detected and nipped in the bud if there had an adequate amount of inspectors on the job. The proper guidelines were on the books - but not checked nor enforced.
5/10/2014 9:39:53 AM
pc says:
The 2 brothers admitted to doing it for years long before Mike Harris took power. So why didn't it get caught when we had all those inspectors?
Could it be that when you have a job for life or a union you figure you don't have to do the job because the union will protect you.
Not all union men are like that but there must be a few who are given a job beyond their capabilities and the flub the numbers.
5/10/2014 8:09:42 PM
pc says:
“I am shocked by Mr. Hudak’s approach. This isn’t the time to be cutting jobs,” she said.
So when is the right time?
Cut the jobs now so there is money to pay bills and then think about rehiring if there is a need.
Simple basics on making ends meet. The libs and the NDP like to tax and spend which is what got us into this mess, in the first place.
5/9/2014 5:53:01 PM
fastball says:
So basically - rob Peter to pay Paul.
This is the way it'll happen...
- lay off the workers.
- claim the budget is "balanced"
- lose the next election because everyone hates your guts
- the new government tries to repair the damage caused by Hudak's "plan".
- then the PC's stand up in Queen's Park and blame the current government for the lousy economy and no social services
5/9/2014 8:59:52 PM
mercy mercy me says:
Breaking News...Hudack proves Will Rogers wrong! ["I never met a man i did not like"]
5/9/2014 5:54:43 PM
ranma says:
Yes let's cut these jobs, and rehire them as contract workers, for private companies that are STILL being paid for by taxpayers dollars. Just instead of the money going straight to the employee, the money will now be split between the employee at a lower wage, and the company they work for, in the terms of the contracts they will have to fill.

It makes sense really. Fire all the little people feeding on the government teet, and then just get one great big company to feed on the teet instead. So we will have just 1-2 companies sponging off government funds, instead of 100000 employees!

It's so crystal clear to me!

This man must NOT be allowed to win. He will destroy this province, and we will lose a lot of employment rights.
5/9/2014 6:09:04 PM
progress now says:
Sounds like Hudak's campaign is going to suffer the death of 100,000 cuts.
5/9/2014 6:12:45 PM
justaguy85 says:
I think this is absolutely the most forward a politician has been in awhile. This kind of stance is a big gamble on his part, it will either make or break the PCs. There are no big bucket lists or lavish promises its kind of nice to see this.
People are always wanting the government to pay for things but get up in arms a mere mention of a tax increase. The money has to come from somewhere. The gravy train will run out. The endless amount of borrowed money will dry up so now is the time to cut costs and operate on a balanced budget.
5/9/2014 6:33:16 PM
REG says:
Tim Who Dat. The end is near for this guy.
5/9/2014 6:56:09 PM
gremlin says:
Way to go Mary, let the "fear-mongering" begin. At least you had the guts to admit "public sector" jobs are "high paying" jobs. There-in lies the problem.

Why is it that public sector workers (this includes teachers, nurses, anyone that ultimately gets their pay-cheque from the tax-payers of the province) automatically gets an average of 25% more pay than anyone in the private sector? On top of that they get the "benefits & pensions" that is unheard of in the private sector.

To add insult to injury, the public sector workers have the highest "job absenteeism" rates in the workforce.

Cutting 100,000 jobs is only a good start.
5/9/2014 7:12:37 PM
Tiredofit says:
Cut a 100,000 jobs, each employee will get about 1 years severance or more, so your looking at adding hundreds of millions in additional pay. Now you have another 100,000 now collecting EI benefits, there will be additional strain on the family, more broken homes etc. let's look at all the services that will be cut and or privatized (at a greater cost to you as a tax payer and as an end user via service fees and more). We've seen this before, Mike Harris put everyone at risk due to his cuts, pushed all the mentally ill onto the streets creating more homeless and a greater strain in services such as police and the emergency wards to mentions a few.

But hey, he looks good to all his rich buddies who will all benefit from it.
5/9/2014 7:23:22 PM
pc says:
And it is ok that wynne gave money to her rich friends who ran things into the ground. E health orange, gas plants, the list is actually quite long and if she gets in this time she has said she will bring back the budget which is more of giving money away with little or nothing to show for it except bank accounts for lib friends.
The NDP closed Huronia, Cedar Springs and all the other institutions. I know they were past their time but they gave no consideration into where those patients were supposed to go. More pressure on schools and the cost of setting up homes with the NIMBY crowd opposed.
There are cuts to be made in every year. Unfortunately for Ont. the cuts are the wrong ones right now.
5/10/2014 6:50:28 PM
tiredofit says:
I never said the Liberals were perfect, but the PC's platform will only kill our system further. They announced that they will give businesses a 30% reduction in taxes, reduce transfer to cities, outsource ton's of stuff, etc.. etc.. all of which will raise our taxes at the city level, reduce our services, increase user fees and the list goes on and on. Take a long hard look at what the Harris government did to this province. Sorry, I'm not going to go through that again. I lost my job (province),user fees increased, a family member with severe health issues was tossed to the streets in Toronto and died on the streets within 3 months (why? because we didn't know where he went, and Harris didn't give a flying fig either).

The PC's will devastate this province far worse than what the Liberals have done. Their rich friends get a fat 30% reduction in taxes, and the cities suffer once again and lot's of good paying jobs out the window (not just Ont. employees either). A million McJobs
5/11/2014 7:27:47 PM
maxumpat says:
What an idiotic plan. Where will these 100,000 people work once their jobs are cut?

Welfare?

This guys plan might just get Wynne a majority.
5/9/2014 7:32:32 PM
Norshor says:
Hudaks bedside manner is not the greatest, but look who is building all the 400k houses in Thunder Bay, public sector employees.
5/9/2014 7:48:35 PM
realist says:
Don't hate the player, hate the game.



5/9/2014 10:09:33 PM
anvil of crom says:
theres an old saying norshor " the banks got lots of money"
I think your assumiung a lot. yes new builds are through the roof price wise, BUT new lots have gotten very expensive. River Terrace for example had lots 5 years ago at 90 G's, new lots are now 125. New build house prices have skyrocketed, and we aren't talking McMansions either.
and just because expensive houses are going up does not mean they are being built by those you speak of.
Young people these days are into having much higher debt to income ratio then ever especially with houses.
And these high debt levels are why mortgages amortizations were limited to a maximum by the finance minister Flaherty.( RIP)
So its not public servants per se building these huge houses it people getting into more debt , the banks are building them.
5/10/2014 4:52:09 PM
Watchmaker says:
S Duncan and pc - you don't get it. What exactly is the fluff and waste you speak of? What jobs in today's (not the early '90s) civil service would you cut?

The way the cuts have ALWAYS rolled out is at the front line, the dedicated, hard working people who deliver the programs.

What government services are YOU willing to sacrifice? Be specific now or you are just spouting rhetoric without substance.
5/9/2014 7:55:44 PM
S Duncan says:
Spoken like a true liberal that's been led to believe they need the government to cater to their every whim.

The problem is, PC and I DO get it.

Might I suggest some good reading?



just read the description if you cant afford to buy the book.

Some of my favourite lines from the description..

"Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him."

You have developed Stockholm Syndrome, where you have been conditioned to believe you need the government and you must take care of them so they take care of you.

I do not feel that way. Adults who love their freedom do not feel that way.

I do not need the government, it needs me.

What services would I cut? Its easier to list what I might keep.
5/9/2014 9:57:24 PM
Watchmaker says:
S Duncan - you didn't answer my question.

I am not a liberal supporter but I may be centrist in my political views.

Cuts across the board don't work. If you truly want to save money in government expenditures examine the program areas that you feel government should not be involved with and run on a platform that says so. Let the voters decide. None of the leaders has that kind of courage do they?

Simply stating that a 100,000 reduction in the civil service is on tap is disingenuous and ultimately a cop out from a policy perspective. He has no plan to actually reduce the cost of government by changing the way government works, he is just catering to the "government is bloated and full of overpaid under worked people" crowd.

Strategically, all Mr. Hudak has done is lose the support of a million voters with a single statement. The election could have been his to win, but he has made what could be a critical error very early in the campaign.
5/10/2014 8:21:06 AM
The Critic says:
The simple fact of the matter is there are too many people employed by the government. The system doesn't work when a large portion of your tax revenue is coming from the very people being paid by the taxes (including government employees, EI/Welfare, etc); this results in a feedback loop.

With the high taxation in Ontario, ever rising power prices (due to all the sweetheart deals on "green energy" - which actually just displaces the already cheap hydroelectric and nuclear already on the grid by dispatching them), etc Ontario is becoming unfriendly to do business in. Soon we will have no large industry left as it is becoming more and more difficult to be competitive on a national or especially international scale (I speak from experience with my business).

I will not be voting in the provincial election though as they are all robber barons. Maybe I will more seriously consider moving out West in the near future to get out of this sinking ship province.

Who is John Galt?
5/9/2014 10:15:21 PM
dank says:
Take out some of the top heavy management and this approach would work. Most are there because of their cozy relationship with the present crooked government anyways. Scandal after money wasting scandal and there are still people supporting these incompetents!!
5/10/2014 12:42:47 AM
nvjgu says:
Ya all know it's going to be status que. I don't like Hudak but he does have a point. I know a few people in Gov that go to work and do nothing all day.
5/10/2014 2:53:04 AM
Eastender says:
There are about 100,000 of them.
As a young man out of school. Many years ago I hired on to a provincial government job. Department of highways at the time. There were days and days where I would have nothing to do. I took 1 1/2 hour lunches, 1 hr coffee breaks, just hung around the office for much of a year and a half, until I decided that I was not going to make any progress here, and went back to school.
There are hundreds of jobs like this that are redundant even today, as I dont believe anything has changed.
Government employees are a lot like weeds, untended they tend to proliferate to a point wnere a lot of weeding needs to be done, or else the desirable crop begins to die off.
5/11/2014 8:07:48 AM
lori says:
Then list the ones you would keep S. Duncan. Don't dodge it. Let's hear it. We won't hear it from Mr. Hudak. We sure won't hear it from Harold and other PC guy from down south running in the north side. You speak of openness. What about the former PC candidate in the north. I am not supporting her, but she was dumped and they parachuted a southerner in to the north to show us the way.

He wants to create 1 million jobs but does not say how, while cutting 100,000 jobs and does not say where.

Do you not think those two tiny details might be a bit relevant in the discussion during the election period.

And S. Duncan, yes the gov't needs you. We all need you. The world needs you. Without you, disaster would strike and we would all fall into the great void. There is nothing you do not know. Nothing you are not an expert on. And PC, no money for health care. The stuff you say is really out of this world.
5/10/2014 6:49:29 AM
pc says:
Every election campaign I have been involved with since I moved to the NW 30 years ago and when they changed the ridings the PC's have had a candidate from the area.
There were still complaints about them not being from TB proper. One was a business woman and that was bad.
One was a business man and that was just as bad.
For the Fed. he was mayor of Nipigon and since he couldn't run that town he must not be able to do much for the riding.
So this time they bring someone in who is sharing his time between south and north and now that is even worse.
I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Gravelle could be dead and buried 3 years and the election called and TB voters would go into the booth and be shocked that he wasn't on the ballot and they would have to make a decision.
The campaign is only 3 days old so things come out over the course of it. Always has always will.
So far Wynne has attacked Harper.
I thought she was running for Premier not the leadership of the Fed. Liberals.
5/10/2014 5:06:32 PM
Factualjack says:
The reality of Mike Harris' deficit reducing strategy resulted in municipalities having to absorb the responsibility of providing some kind of service to address the area that Mike Harris cut services. A prime example is mental health.. Emergency Services and Hospital Emergency Rooms spend countless hours wasted hours dealing with mental health patients that were more efficiently death with before Harris's gutting of the mental health system. Yet we complain about the cost of policing and about long waits in the ER. Hudak will cut services to areas that don't normally vote Conservative because that's politics.
5/10/2014 8:19:02 AM
Clete says:
To all the conservatives out there who are upset about high paying salaries why don't we go to a flat tax. That way all you middle class people who the conservatives say are doing much better now can pay your fair share. Funny thing is the cons never think of this.
5/10/2014 8:38:33 AM
pc says:
Well here are some cuts I would make if asked to make them.
Ont. Gov offices that have sprung up in almost every town. There are 4 staff there. It usually takes 2 of them to figure out what to do with papers taken in and then figure out how to get it into the computer.
It took 2 staff to figure out that they did not know how to get a business license nor where to send it.
Either train better or close the things altogether. Most things can be done online anyway.
How are conservative middle class people not paying their fair share? Last time I checked we were paying the same as NDP and Libs.
Funny thing is we are a couple and do not get as many tax breaks as those who live together as married but no piece of paper saying they are. Real fair isn't it.
I am disabled,I can't walk far. my dr. got a disabled sticker,when the Cons. were in power. With the libs he said I didn't qualify. Had to get a specialist to get one permanent one.
great lib planning,it doesn't even cost them money.
5/10/2014 1:06:51 PM
SG says:
Sounds like you're talking about ServiceOntario offices. Most of those are private offices. Not run or owned by the government. It's like a franchise. Apparently badly run by your comments, but nonetheless that's the truth.
5/11/2014 8:30:40 AM
dsmith says:
I live North, work in the resource sector and am not worried about Hudak's plan. Hudak supports the Drummond Report 100% and Drummond said don't cut MNR because that's where Ontario makes money. Good sense that the Liberals did not listen to. They cut MNR instead. Ontario cannot spend its way out of the hole!
5/10/2014 5:21:21 PM
Watchmaker says:
You support Hudak's plan to cut 100,000 civil servants, yet you bemoan the cuts to MNR, then go on to say that Ontario cannot spend its way out of the hole.

WHERE EXACTLY do all of you who support the 100K reduction in the civil service want the cuts to be made?

Mr. Hudak has offered nothing other than a sound byte - there is no substance to his plan.

I am equally disappointed with the Liberal and NDP platforms, but those cheer leading for Mr. Hudak need to see past the rhetoric.
5/10/2014 7:40:18 PM
gremlin says:
Lori:

As usual you & your friends don't have the courage to address my points. The lack of comments makes my point all the more obvious. No one has the "kahuna's" to discuss them.
5/10/2014 6:32:13 PM
Robert Bob says:
Ont Govt needs to downsized. Less Ministers, Cutbacks should come from the TOP, Roleback wages from the Senior positions, cutback on benefits and fix the loopholes that allow for "special bonus". Problem Government is fat and bloated period. Bigger problem is Job creation, how about only a small reduction in Taxes to big Ontario corporations that can create jobs or expand in Ontario. Increase Taxes on corporate profits which are high and increasing. Since there is no public accountability for spending our Taxes, increase the hiring of all your Political friends into new high paying Posts and say goodbye with nice payouts to all the exisitng bums. Problem with Government is it can't be Fixed period, its not a business.
5/12/2014 12:18:03 PM
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