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2014-05-21 at 13:26

PCs respond

Derek Parks, Progressive Conservatives candidate for Thunder Bay-Superior North
Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
Derek Parks, Progressive Conservatives candidate for Thunder Bay-Superior North
By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- The Ontario Progressive Conservative party says it’s unfortunate organizers of the Northern Ontario leaders’ debate chose a date that worked for some parties, but not all.

In an unsigned release issued on Wednesday, party officials said they wanted leader Tim Hudak to participate, but the May 26 date OK’d by organizers conflicted with other campaign stops that couldn’t be altered.

“Given the important issues that face the North, it was our hope that there would have been an equal opportunity for all parties to communicate their plans for the North. We were led to believe there was a desire to have that comprehensive discussion,” the release states.

Both Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne and NDP Leader Andrea Horwath accepted the May 26 invitation over the Victoria Day weekend.

Hudak was a vocal critic in 2011 when then premier Dalton McGuinty was a no-show at the inaugural Northern leaders’ debate.

Organizers, which include the Northwestern Ontario Municipal Association, the Federation of Northern Ontario Municipalities and the Northwestern and Northeastern Chambers of Commerce, said they floated several options to the respective campaigns when the writ dropped on May 7 and repeated the request on May 16, giving party officials three additional days to accept.

The PCs missed the deadline.

“On May 20 I received an email saying they would like to have another date offered, but did not provide a date as to when they would prefer to have it,” said Kristen Oliver, NOMA’s executive director.

“Since May 26 was the date we continued to offer and it was accepted by the other two parties, we notified (Hudak’s) campaign office that we could not provide another date due to venue scheduling.”

Derek Parks, running for the Conservatives in Thunder Bay-Superior North, said it’s disappointing, but understandable.

“I think it should be made clear to the people of Northwestern Ontario that Mr. Hudak did want to attend that meeting. NOMA decided to schedule a date and time that was suitable for Kathleen Wynne. We were unable to make the 26th,” Parks said.

“Then they started to broadcast because they had Kathleen Wynne the debate would be the 26th, so other dates were no longer available. They agreed that they were looking at three dates and arbitrarily chose one and kind of stuck Mr. Hudak out in the open, without being able to attend that date.”

Harold Wilson, the Conservative candidate in Thunder Bay-Atikokan agreed.

“That was the only date that was given and there’s a full schedule of things that needed to get done,” Wilson said.

“So I’m disappointed, but I quite understand.”

Kenora NDP candidate Sarah Campbell said it's not surprising. 

“I think it speaks volumes about Tim Hudak’s attitude toward the North and northern issues that he won’t free up his schedule for an hour-long debate in Thunder Bay,” she said. “Hudak just doesn’t care about the North.”

Parks said Hudak has assured him he will make a campaign stop in Northwestern Ontario at some point between now and the June 12 election.

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Murphy says:
How do you know it's the highest absenteeism and least productive? Are you Part of the public sector? Are you selling out your brothers and sisters? Or do you just believe everything you read and run with it??
You can't make blinded assumptions like that based on insecurities, jealousy or anger.

Non unionized workers have a higher amount of injuries and less safe working environments because of lack of training and lack of wages ...There for result in more days off.

I'm sure if you were paid more for your job you'd work that much harder to show you deserve it. Not everyone is out for a free ride.

A Non unionized working environment only profit the employer.
Capatalism doesn't work for the working person.
5/24/2014 9:07:21 AM
passlake says:
they can't even run a local candidate and had to ship one up from southern ontario. nobody wants to be associated with them..

it comes as no surprise that Hudak isn't going to be at the debate.

if you think the PC party cares about this region, you are delusional.
5/22/2014 11:51:05 PM
gremlin says:

The least productive workers are the "unionized public sector workers". They have the "highest work absenteeism rates" in the workforce.
5/22/2014 5:46:45 PM
gremlin says:

I'm not "blinded" by realities @ all. "Government handouts" come in many forms. Sometimes it comes as a "welfare cheque or subsidized housing or health care or subsidized day-care etc".

It also comes in the form of a "contract" given to a company like Bombardier NOT because of "quality work" or it was "earned" the old-fashion way by having a "stellar reputation" but because of UNION INTIMADATION of the government.

Yes, that's something to be proud of isn't it? I take it you have a short memory?
5/22/2014 4:43:28 PM
Murphy says:
So why is it ok for 100k ppl to lose their job? Do you not see the real issue? I agree 100% that there are some over paid public servants but those are not the ones who will lose their jobs. The overpaid ones are the ones we vote for and their entourage. The ones who will lose their jobs are the hard working ones tending to you at the hospital or teaching your children/grand-children/nieces/nephews. You honestly believe for one second that the PCs or any candidate has the hard working individual at the top of their priority? Rich get richer and trust me the public servants you speak so vial of are just as deserving to have jobs then any person in the private sector. Everyone who has been educated and is hardworking is deserving of a good paying job or not be it in private or public. Get over this public vs private and who is better already.
5/22/2014 4:23:13 PM
yqtyqt says:
"Govmt handouts are those who choose to not work and leach off the system. Not ones that work for the govmt." Can you explain why we have 300,000 more govt employees/bureaucrats than we did a few years ago? Have you ever been to Queens Park & the Toronto government offices to watch thousands of govt employees doing who knows what?

During the recession, tens of thousands of hard working employees in the private sector, lost their jobs or had their wages cut or frozen while the Liberals fattened up the gov't. The Liberals increased the size, layers, wages/benefits/pensions of its bureaucrats. Who will pay for this?

You conveniently forgot the option of cutting government waste, culling the bloated bureaucracy, voting for something other than the same old, same old.

The Libs have posted signs at the entry points into Ontario. "we're closed for business, private sector employers must check in to make sure that they support the government first". Didn't Wynnes commercial say as much?
5/22/2014 1:45:37 PM
tiredofit says:
So you say we have 300 thousand more than we did a few years ago, yet the PC's claim it's A 100 Thousand, and those who work in government would like to know where those people are. Something amiss! Now if they are factoring in the consultants who all make well over a $100k a year (they aren't on the sunshine list either) them I would agree with those numbers as would most civil servants who see these people making all the coin.
5/22/2014 6:31:32 PM
Murphy says:
Govmt handouts are those who choose to not work and leach off the system. Not ones that work for the govmt. Or work for unions. They pay taxes too, a lot of them! You are confusing the two "gremlin & yqtyqt"...I think your anger for people doing well in their life blinds you from reality.

You have options...you can try to become a us citizen if you'd be happier...pay for it all, have less than desirable paying jobs...sounds dreamy!

5/22/2014 11:59:06 AM
Zelig says:
Try not to get drawn into the PC vs Liberal, left vs right, Democrat vs Republican, etc, arguments. Take a step further back and ask yourself if there is any real difference between the two. They're just two slightly different flavours of crooks playing ping pong and the ball is us. If you really want to know why life is such a struggle for the average man or woman try looking up the 'legal' definitions of 'person', 'citizen', 'Canada', and other commonly misunderstood terms. If you can't be bothered to do some researching then by all means get out and vote for one of these candidates and see how it works out for you. If you do dig into this stuff, I think you'll be mighty upset to find out what is really going on.
5/22/2014 10:31:25 AM
BuddhaMum says:
“Given the important issues that face the North, it was our hope that there would have been an equal opportunity for all parties to communicate their plans for the North."

ALL PARTIES? So why wasn't the Green Party wasn't invited to participate?
5/22/2014 8:41:26 AM
gusto says:
It must have been a typo. It should have read "equal opportunity for all parties who actually have a hope of winning a seat..."
5/22/2014 9:54:58 AM
The Beaver..... says:
here is one in the news this morning
Moody warns of possible Down Grade

Ontario should take note of the latest from Moody’s, which puts net debt as a percentage of revenue at 237.7 in the 2014-15 fiscal year, the highest in the country.

Not only the highest, actually, but far and away above the next in line, Quebec, at 189.5.
Way to go Liberals
5/22/2014 8:29:28 AM
yqtyqt says:
Thanks Beaver.

That's exactly the point I've been making. You can bet that this information won't be discussed by the Libs at the local debate. And you can also bet that the two left wing parties won't be specific if they're pressed as to how they will pay for their wild promises or how they will put an end to the spending orgies.

The libs will just sweep the credit downgrade aside, downplay its importance, try to blame it on someone or something else and definitely not take responsibility. Accountability is a nice thing to talk about but they do not it want inflicted on their spending mistakes.
5/22/2014 9:12:29 AM
Murphy says:
The PCs have really done a good job into brain washing ppl into believing that public servants are the enemy.

How are teachers overpaid? They provide children with an education. The teachers in my children's school supply some children with food, clothes and shoes and love out of their own pockets and hearts because they can't count on their own parents for it!

You want your children being taught by someone under paid and who doesn't care? You want your highways maintained by 3rd parties so they get richer and the roads get worse?? Oh wait that's how it is now b/c public servants were played as the over paid enemy.

Look at the big picture. Look where the money is actually be thrown too. Open your eyes and ears.
5/22/2014 8:21:28 AM
dynamiter says:
I sure like how NDP and Liberal supporters make the jump from reducing the size of government to the laying off of teachers. Education is only one small part of the governments problem and costs. That could probably be solved by eliminating the Separate School system and putting all under one Board. But go ahead and keep that thought process - you must be a teacher Murp
5/22/2014 6:52:07 PM
nvjgu says:
Waste of effort coming here, Thunder Bay's vote means nothing as in no population.
5/22/2014 6:36:27 AM
mcnews says:
Maybe Hudak read the comments on TBnewswatch and thought to himself why would I go to "Blunder Bay" where everyone is against new developments and depends on government handouts he plans to turf as quick as he did Tamara Johnson?
5/21/2014 11:21:25 PM
Watchful says:
So last election it was ok for the Liberals not to attend, this city always votes the same no matter what. Good ole Mikey and Billy. So what is the problem, we here can't really believe we are of any importance, I mean really Thunder Bay, smell the roses, we are only important to those who have never left this place and lived in a real city
5/21/2014 10:11:20 PM
j_northey says:
Good point about the Liberals skipping last time and people still voting for them. If people reward parties ignoring them by voting for them then you get what you deserve. Sadly, the rest of us who pay attention also pay the price.
5/22/2014 8:32:28 AM
OilSandsMan says:
NOMA is subsidized with our tax dollars ! Why wouldn't they invite the Leaders of the other parties who are running candidates ? Mike Schreiner of the Green Party & Allen Small of the Libertarian Party ! You're going to have a debate between Horwath & Wynne ? About what ? Who can race Ontario into bankruptcy the fastest ? Not inviting the other party leaders shows clear bias to the parties involved. This is a democracy !
5/21/2014 8:27:00 PM
potso says:
I think it should be made clear to Derek Parks that Tim Hudak never had any plans to attend the debate in Thunder Bay. Glad to see the candidate the PC's parachuted in from the south can tow his party line - blame everyone but yourself. If I read this story right, an invite to attend the debate was issued 19 days beforehand and Tim seriously couldn't adjust his schedule accordingly?
5/21/2014 7:30:43 PM
dynamiter says:
Please go to the Sunshine list - Just look at the page after page of those making over 100 K. Dont you ever wonder about all of those others who are making less than that? Now if it was a private industry going that far into debt, dont you think that they would look at cutting workforce? You would first look at getting those close to retirement to retire and NOT replace them and then you would look at redundancies? Dont you think that you can find 10% of the jobs that may not be needed or are only nice to have not need to have positions. Seems pretty simple to hit 100,000 number of Hudak's without a whole lot of pain to the public re services.

5/21/2014 6:49:32 PM
Watchmaker says:
The Sunshine List is irrelevant - it was started quite a number of years ago when $100K was a significant milestone. That is one issue, the other is that the private sector doesn't have to report their "Sunshine List". Check out salaries for engineers, scientists, managers, vice presidents, etc. and you will find some surprising revelations there dynamiter.

The Sunshine List serves no real purpose other than to provide a tool for those who would blindly bang the "cut the workforce" drum.
5/22/2014 7:29:06 AM
dynamiter says:
I dont agree with your comment that it is irrelevant. It is having the unintended consequence of increasing salaries as staff use it as leverage to get their wages increased. But I still use it to see how many people are working in an agency and what their job titles are. That tells a lot about how much fat there is in an organization and what the amount of savings could be. That is my whole point. How many safety officers and executive secretaries and administrative assistants - you get my drift, are required in an organization. The private sector including the auto and pulp and paper sector has long ago purged themselves of these jobs. Money these people are getting paid needs to go to front line people like nurses, teachers, hydro lineman etc and not to overheads. Money from these people and their offices and overheads and summer replacement needs to go to Homes for the Aged facilities. That is my point. And most of this can be done painlessly vis a vis servicing the public.
5/22/2014 9:42:40 AM
yqtyqt says:
$100k may not be significant to you, but to seniors, single mothers, students struggling to pay their taxes, hydro bills and govt loans & obligations, it is more than significant.

The private sector doesn't report to the sunshine list because quite frankly, its nobodys business, its not government funded directly or indirectly and because you have a choice to buy from whatever private business you want to. If you think they pay their people too much, shop elsewhere.

What I would like to see is the union officials of public sector employees posted. We all know that they`re excessive and paid for by public sector wages indirectly. The wages would be eye-opening.

The value could be changed either upward or downward. I believe in full disclosure. But if you want to only disclose the really fat government cats, talk to McWynnety. I`m sure she would like to get the cops and firefighters and educators off the list. It makes her look too bad.

Cut the workforce. Show me where the drum is.
5/22/2014 2:17:51 PM
gremlin says:
Based on the above story it appears the PC's took too long to respond to the invitation. Setting that aside, my question is how much of a "debate" can you have in 1 HOUR? Seriously, after the intro's are done what time is left? This was a joke to begin with.

Even if Hudak could have made it we already know that locally the PC's won't win. This entire region is sooooooooo heavily dependent on "public sector jobs" & "government spending" of money it doesn't have but WILLING to STEAL from our CHILDREN & GRAND-CHILDREN to PROP-UP a FALSE ECONOMY & BUY YOUR VOTES.

This isn't leadership, its "criminal behavior". A leader is someone that can make tough decisions when faced with realities (our debt).

On a side note, I couldn't help but notice that the LIBS & the NDP both have their signs up @ the Labour Centre. Not much of a surprise though, those two parties are one-and-the-same these days. "Completely in bed with the UNIONS".

5/21/2014 5:45:36 PM
humnchuck says:
So how long a debate isn't a joke? 6 hours? 10 hours? 3 days? You have you watched a political debate before, right?

One would think that if Hudak truly believed that his platform was of value to all Ontarians, then he'd attempt to sell it even in a tough political climate like Northwestern Ontario.

5/21/2014 11:47:09 PM
yqtyqt says:
Very valid comments gremlin.

Anyone with half a stitch of common sense would realize that you can't spend money that you don't have forever and a day. If a business or individual does this, and can't meet the minimum credit card payment without borrowing even more money, I'd say they have a huge problem. As I've stated continuously, all bills eventually have to be paid. If the plan is to just pass them on to our children & grandchildren, then just say it to them and explain the addiction to spending and why you need to stick them with the debt.

Hudak is proposing that 100,000 civil servants can be eliminated. We have over 1.2 million provincial employees (as opposed to 900,000 a few years ago). Many more municipal, and govt agency employees. The reduction would amount to about 8% or less. Remember that the libs bloated the bureaucracy by 300,000 when manufacturers closed up shop in Ontario or took the jobs to less expensive places.

Business & people tighten their belts all time.
5/22/2014 8:01:10 AM
j_northey says:
So the Cambridge candidate...er...sorry, the Thunder Bay-Superior North PC candidate feels it wasn't fair that the PC's were only given multiple chances to pick a day and with under a week to go still were unable to pick a day then were told 'this is when it is'. Meanwhile Greens are waiting for an invite and are willing to be there whenever it is. Who is committed to the north and to Ontario as a whole again?
5/21/2014 5:40:13 PM
hotchoc says:
To those who wish to support Mr. Hudak. Is everyone in Thunder Bay lying? Mr. Angus who was part of organizing this. Kristen Oliver, Noma's Executive Director or is it Mr. Parks and Mr. Wilson who are suggesting that these organizers picked a date that only was good for Ms. Wynn. The boundaries of reality are being stretched quite far.

Then two of this websites most well known Conservatives, IBRAND and YQT bring into their comments of hate, more outlandish words and positions.

Can you two not discuss an issue without insulting the intelligence of anyone who might disagree with you. Are you both so perfect that there is not the tiniest possibility that you might be wrong?

Please do not defend a leader who so quickly accused the former Premier of ducking the last one and who now cannot change his schedule almost 2 weeks in advance. It is obvious what Mr. Hudak thinks of the north and of his one loud candidate and his one candidate parachuted in from Toronto. We got the message
5/21/2014 5:33:02 PM
ibrando says:
Hotchoc, a well known conservative? Thank you! I still don't see the "comments of hate" and "outlandish words and positions" in our posts. Hate? Really? What is wrong with you? Sorry that you are so offended by Mr. Hudak not attending a debate.
5/21/2014 9:19:08 PM
ranma says:

Like firing teachers, the ones who bring up our future, is the right thing to do. But I guess ensuring that no one can afford to even go to Post Secondary, is also a great plan. Keep the masses ignorant, and allow only the privileged to go to school.

It's worked wonders with First Nations..so maybe it's time to try it on everyone else!
5/21/2014 5:13:33 PM
Arch Stanton says:
Like anyone wants to hear yet more lies 'n' propaganda from such a bunch of self-serving politicos...


5/21/2014 3:26:37 PM
jamisuplate says:
Looking forward to seeing new candidates out on the high-wire such as Tamara Ward Johnson.
5/21/2014 3:23:55 PM
musicferret says:
lol Usual Conservative playbook: blame someone else, deflect.
5/21/2014 2:57:11 PM
yqtyqt says:
Lol. That must be the same playbook that the Liberals have been using for 11 years. They still blame Mike Harris. All the while when they have done nothing during the last decade including bankrupting the province, lying at every chance, cheating by buying electoral seats, and fattening an already bloated bureaucracy (including some of the poster and retired posters on this website). Our children and grandchildren will wonder what we were thinking or smoking.
5/21/2014 3:07:14 PM
conker2012 says:
Do you want to know who "bankrupted" our province?
American banks from 2003-2008 when they went belly up south of the boarder and caused the economic crash of 2008. Who let them do this? The US republican party.

How can I blame american politics for our problems? Well.

Their greed caused the global economy to crash, this means massive job losses across the province and the possibility of GM going bankrupt. This would have meant that the entire manufacturing base in Southern Ontario would have essentially collapsed and even more workers would have been not paying provincial income tax.

I have a question for Tim Hudak: Why are you attempting to create 1 million new jobs when there is only 500,000 people unemployed?


Doesn't that seem a bit odd what one party is trying to create more jobs than what is needed?

Foreign workers perhaps?

Kill 500,000 jobs so he can create a demand for a million jobs?

5/21/2014 4:47:41 PM
S Duncan says:
Wow. Are you for real? You're blaming George Bush for Ontario's debt and destroyed economy?

Ontario has nothing but the Liberals to blame for that. Especially after a decade of their governing.

All these unions and socialists crying about the neccessary job cuts that only the PCs have the guts to address is laughable.

All those unionists wont have any jobs to cling to when their employer shuts down and move to provinces and other countries that arent being overly taxed, legislated against, being held hostage by unions, or burdened with energy costs and their related taxes as well.

Tim Hudak wants to create jobs that are not a burden to others because they only exist as they are paid for with tax dollars.

If anybody took the time to read about the pc policys instead of gobbling down whatever the media and unionists throw at them they would begin to understand how it will work.

Reading left wing blurbs from marxist media barons wont make you any smarter.
5/22/2014 10:59:13 AM
S Duncan says:

the economy /bank crash in the USA was caused by the "fair housing act" brought in under Clinton and pushed by democrats like barney frank, ted kennedy, and lots of other loonies too.

They pushed for banks to loan money for subprime mortgages which they did. The mortgages were then bundled and sold off to investors of all sorts, kinds and nations.

of course everybody was making money as the bubble grew, but every bubble has its burst point.

The republicans didnt create the problem and they didnt stop it either. Everybody wanted a seat on the moneymaking train, including Ontario's liberals who happily tried to capitalize on all the imaginary wealth that was being played with. They began taxing and spnding happily taking their share of high fuel prices, eco fees and taxes. They were happy to get every cent they could.

Our spending in Ontario has yet to be brought back into reality from a depression that still remains today.

Blame liberals for Ontarios mess.
5/22/2014 11:12:19 AM
john says:
Regardless of which POTUS was responsible for the crash, Ontario is dependent on the US for 80% of their exports. You don't think the Ontario economy felt the US economic downturn?
5/22/2014 3:17:10 PM
S Duncan says:
yes sir I certainly do think we were affected by that mess. The whole world was.

However its how we reacted to it that is concerning. While every responsible province and country in the world reacted differently we can say that Ontario continued trying to tax our businesses more, spend more than we earn, and throw money into endless scandals like orange and gas plant disasters.

Its how we responded that's bad, and whats worse is the liberals have not yet put the brakes on their spending to date, nor their proposed spending upcoming.

Recessions are corrections. We make corrections and cut the fat and wasteful spending to run lean and mean. They are a natural event in a capitalist economy and they serve a great purpose.

but the liberals haven't made any corrections at all. They have continued to destroy our economy and future business prospects.

they haven't even shown they understand what the right thing to do is.

The PCs want to correct this mess. It wont be pretty or easy.
5/22/2014 5:04:11 PM
common cents says:
Hudak had no plans of attending the debate, corporate headquarters are based in Southern Ontario and thats where all the PC hearts lies.
5/21/2014 7:24:29 PM
ibrando says:
Get ready Thunder Bay socialists and Liberal pinkos, a majority conservative government will be the headline in the CJ the morning of June 13. I expect the gravy train will be ending for quite a few around this city and rightly so. Look on the bright side, once the PC's have tackled the deficit and paid down a large portion of the debt it will be time for the spendaholic Liberals to regain power because the public will have forgotten the scandals. Go Tim Go.
5/21/2014 4:12:12 PM
tiredofit says:
This gravy train you speak of will simply change hands to those with PC Blue on them.

All of his corporate friends will rake in billions in profits from the privatization of services and those services will suffer due to the fact that all they matters to them is the profit sheets. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

Mr Harper jr. needs to take a hike. He's got Mr. Harris's legacy all over his plan of action. Create a million McJobs at minimum wage (according to them our minimum wage is already to high). Privatize all services, sell everything the province owns. Whatever it takes to balance the books, welcome the the United States of Ontario. And hey, we don't need any stinking teachers either! They deserve minimum wage as well! In fact so do you an I.

Sadly, there isn't a party wort putting in power anymore, professional politicians need to go. Elect people who actually care about the people they represent.
5/22/2014 6:49:33 AM
ibrando says:
What a pile of fear mongering BS! And yes, I am tiredofit. Try including at least one fact in your posts.
5/22/2014 12:23:10 PM
S Duncan says:
For a person who is so dead set against the welfare dome and the wind farm situation you seem confused who you should be voting for.

The PCs wouldnt have got us into the mess with the idiotic green energy plan nor will they support the welfare dome with the already over budget provincial cheque book.

You're fear mongering here and allowing your selfishness to take over your sense of logic and financial figures.

Be anything you want, but at least be consistent.
5/22/2014 2:14:55 PM
DougMyers says:
Then perhaps the PC leaders handlers should have responded initially when asked and not wait until it was too late.

Looks a lot to me like they (the PCs) were just looking for a way NOT to attend, and they found it.
5/21/2014 2:30:34 PM
bttnk says:
Exactly! The PC's were given several chances to pick one of 3 dates provided and never responded until the committee selected a date. Then it was not convenient. The PC's were never going to show up.
5/21/2014 3:28:37 PM
ranma says:
If we were so damn important to the PC, they would make time. But instead, Hudak has shown that the North means nothing to him. Period.
5/21/2014 2:13:37 PM
glass half full says:
It does not matter if anyone from the PC party shows up or not.... They will not gain a seat in our region nor should they deserve to gain one.. The entire party is a joke, from the leader to the candidates that are running and the candidates that they kick out of the party...No one will miss them...

Hudak will sleep in the bed he made..

Good luck on election day... The lack of effort will be reflected I am sure...
5/21/2014 1:46:31 PM
gusto says:
The only people who won't be missed this year are our two Fiberal do-nothing MPP's when they are finally voted out of office. Also not being missed will be the 1000's of over-paid civil service and teachers that will be handed a pink slip when Hudak has to fix the fiscal mess left over from too many years of Liberal lies and vote-buying.
5/21/2014 3:51:02 PM
tbay2005 says:
Sounds like someone has recently been to Colorado and taken advantage of their new marijuana law!
5/21/2014 6:16:45 PM
tiredofit says:
Remember those statements gusto when all of our services have got to pot and privatized where the only thing that matters is the bottom dollar and profit for the private companies. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Privatization cost a lot more in the long run. I've seen it first hand within the government(and no I don't work for them). They simply move the costs to a different balance sheet and those ones are often far more expensive in the long run.
5/21/2014 8:51:05 PM
gusto says:
I have no problem paying more for the services I choose to use. I do have a problem subsidizing countless overstaffed and overpaid government services that I will never use. I find it amusing that the same people that were outraged about all the people on the Sunshine List are now the same ones who are outraged that Hudak will be cutting these very jobs. But seeing as the Fiberals and the pinko NDP are in bed with the Unions, it really isn't that suprising. Gotta save those high-paying union jobs no matter what, right?
5/22/2014 7:16:21 AM
tiredofit says:
So it's ok when it suits you personally then. I'm not opposed to cutting the people making $100k-$1000m a year. We have far to many CEO's CCO's and CFO's making far too much money. If they say they can make more in the private sector, they know where the door is.

Hydro is great example, how many big wigs are making in excess of a million a year plus perks? Can't get the same for $200-300k? I'll bet you can and probably better as well.

If someone sits on their butt and does nothing, get rid of them. But also get rid of the consultants charging $1000 a day when someone can be doing it for $200-300 a day.

Problem with the Hudak and the PC party in general is they approve of that stuff, especially since its those very people who are funding his campaign.
5/22/2014 11:31:03 AM
gusto says:
The proposed cuts to the civil service would bring the total amount of workers to 2009 levels (and be done mainly by attrition). That means that this bloated workforce was created and approved by the Liberals, most likely in an effort to buy attention away from the Ornge scandal, gas plant scandal, deleted email scandal, eHealth scandal, ect. But somehow Hudak is bad news for wanting to stop the excess waste and bloat caused by the Fiberals and their lack of honesty and integrety.
5/22/2014 1:20:25 PM
john says:
But it's not a bloated workforce. It's one of the leanest in the country.

5/22/2014 3:00:30 PM
S Duncan says:
ah yes the left wing media spinning figures again?

Global is almost to the left of the CBC and that's a pretty hard spot to get.

for anybody that's ever criticized Fox news, Global is lefty heaven.
5/22/2014 4:47:58 PM
fti says:
S Duncan, that is your own right-wing spin on Global and the article. The article is from Global but the numbers are from the Canadian Taxpayer Federation.
5/22/2014 5:41:10 PM
Crownstreetcarlos says:
Stop changing the subject. The stats were independent and even from your sweetheart harper's own government. The conservative provinces have higher percentages of civil servants.
Also look into the changes the Harris government made to licensing and the way Ontario collects fees from its citizens for compulsory services. No liberals did what he did. I used to be PC.

Ps has anyone ever taught you that pluralized words ending in y changes to "ies"? Or are you just lazy?
5/22/2014 11:54:07 PM
dynamiter says:
Do you get your drivers licence, plates and health card renewals where you used to? No - Now I am in and out in about 10 minutes thanks to privatization. I remember when the government used to cut back on staff and put a wage freeze onto the MTO etc and the lineups would be out the door and down the street as these people worked to rule. You could wait for hours. Now you dont mind running in at lunch time and even on Saturdays. If privatization has been bad in some areas ( and I agree that it has) it has been because dumb civil servants have negotiated dumb contracts or agreements.
5/22/2014 10:04:40 AM
Stucky says:
Wrong wrong wrong. Couldn't be more wrong. I own a business beside a service Ontario and believe me people fume each and every day over the lineups. Everyday at some point the line goes out the door. Every day you hear angry Ontarians yelling in frustration, storming out, even people crying. I have seen the lineup last an hour. This isn't occasionally, it's every day. Sorry to burst your bubble but the place is always packed with people waiting at least half an hour.
Not efficient in any way, and 99% of people don't know it isn't a government office.
5/22/2014 12:51:13 PM
S Duncan says:
lineups happen.

they happen at bars, restaurants, banks, the courthouse, parking lots, marina park, and especially the emergency room at our hospital.

People are always upset at a licensing office. Does anybody really go there in a good mood to begin with? Its just a hassle where you are forced to repeatedly pay the government money for things you shouldn't have to.

Like, why do your plates expire? why every year? why not 10 years? why not until its cancelled? Why do you have to pay tax on used vehicles over and over again? Why does the MTO make you get appraisals on cars over 20(?) years old when you can hand them a receipt for it?

Those places are places of frustration despite who runs them. Its the nature of the business.

and you're exaggerating claiming that the place is always packed and people are waiting at least a half hour. That's simply not true and you know it.
5/22/2014 4:54:18 PM
Stucky says:
Ah so privatizing is more efficient except when it isn't.
And I am not exaggerating. If you can find a time besides right at opening when service canada has customers who walk in and get right up to the counter and are in out within ten minutes I'll buy you a coffee....providing its a real person and not another personality....oh and I do keep my word on the free coffee. The place is NOT efficient and no one who knows anything about business would say it is.
5/23/2014 7:38:57 AM
S Duncan says:
Privatized services run much cheaper and more efficently than any government mess that is all too often under the thumb of a bureaucrat that loves to push their personal feelings on matters and start pushing themselves higher up by stacking staff under them.

A good example?

The Ontario Chief Firearms Office.
5/22/2014 10:34:13 AM
TWM says:
If Northern Ontario voters remain NDP, once again we'll separate ourselves from the provincial governing party and in 2015, federally as well.
5/25/2014 7:09:30 PM
spazz says:
"Hudak was a vocal critic in 2011 when then premier Dalton McGuinty was a no-show at the inaugural Northern leaders’ debate."

That tells you most of what you need to know about Mr. Hudak. (about most politicians unfortuneately) His desire to be the next Harper worries pretty much everyone I know.

5/21/2014 1:37:02 PM
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