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2014-05-22 at 16:27

Projects at risk?

Glen Murray, Michael Gravelle and Bill Mauro announce the continuation of highway twinning between Thunder Bay and Nipigon.
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
Glen Murray, Michael Gravelle and Bill Mauro announce the continuation of highway twinning between Thunder Bay and Nipigon.
By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

What Ontario Liberals call an important announcement opponents are calling an unnecessary fear tactic.

Liberal Infrastructure Minister Glen Murray accompanied incumbent candidates and fellow party members  Bill Mauro and Michael Gravelle, running for re-election in Thunder Bay-Atikokan and Thunder Bay-Superior North respectively, at the Terry Fox Monument Thursday.

The trio held a news conference at the iconic site to announce that two more sections of Hwy 11/17 between Thunder Bay and Nipigon would be twinned.

But the Liberals warn that these projects, which were included in the Liberal government's spring budget, are in jeopardy.

"I was very disappointed that indeed among other things that part of the budget by not being supported and an election taking place put the project at risk," Gravelle said.

"Our party is committed to four-laning the highway between Thunder Bay and Nipigon. I'm not so sure the other parties feel the same way."

But NDP rival and Thunder Bay-Superior North candidate Andrew Foulds called the announcement disappointing, accusing the government of using fear tactics to scare voters.

The electorate deserves more credit than that, he added.

"They don't' want their government to rely on fear. They don't want their politicians to rely on fear. They're looking for something better. They're looking for hope."

The NDP, which released its platform Thursday, has committed to widening 60 kilometres of highway in the province every year, with at least 30 of those kilometres in the North.

"How much road have (the Liberals) actually done in 10 years?" Foulds asked. "Fewer than 20 kilometres."

At the news conference, Mauro said the Liberals want to invest $14 billion in infrastructure across the province. They also want to see a decade-long commitment to Northern highways, which the Liberals say has already been $5 billion, continue.

"We need their support to continue with the advancement of this work," Mauro said of voters.

Thunder Bay-Atikokan Progressive Conservative candidate Harold Wilson said a lot of that money was used for highway projects in the Muskokas.
While he commends the Liberals for twinning the highway between Thunder Bay and Nipigon, the project has already been announced. There's no reason to keep making announcements on it.

"That's great but we would expect those things, I mean you don't leave a job half done," Wilson said.

As for his party's commitment to finishing the highway if in government, Wilson said it would be hard to imagine not seeing it through.
"So much of the work has already been done. I would be pushing to have that carried through," he said.
Murray said he and other provincial transportation ministers have been lobbying the federal government to match provinces when it comes to funding highways.

"If the federal government matched this we would probably have this done in a decade," he said.

Ontario has a stark choice to make whether it wants to see investment in Northern highways, he added.




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Robert Bob says:
The Liberal incumbents can soon collect their pension benefits and become "consultants" in their next life. Problem is lack of worthwhile candidates and overall Weak leadership with the other parties. MC Hudak and MC Horwath just as bad a MC Wynne. Not a worthy leader in the bunch. Voter turnout with be a record all time lows. Majority Government will not work, regarless of Party , can't fix the mess and a minority government is good for another election in about a year or two. Maybe we need a new Party to Reform Ontario. Maybe Tamara can form it and become supreme leader by Default.
5/23/2014 2:50:12 PM
CM Punk says:
Everyone here needs to realize that northern Ontario does not matter.
We may make up 80 percent of the area but only 2 or 3 percent of the population.

If this was in southern Ontario a highway would not take over 10 years to build.
No matter who goes in, Ontario voters do not have a great selection to pick from this limited menu.
5/23/2014 11:32:51 AM
yqtyqt says:
Actually Thunder Bay is less than 1 % of the Ontario residential population.

Highway throughout southern Ontario are well under construction, widening, and improvements. And the same threats are being made by liberal MPPs throughout Ontario.
5/23/2014 1:06:16 PM
Kam River says:
The jobs go to workers in southern Ontario.
When their is a long weekend the highway construction stops for a week for the workers to go home in southern ontario.
Did we need the flyover at Hoddar Ave No. But looked good for Mike on this announcement list
Highway traffic is way down because most of the jobs in Ontario have been killed by the Liberals.
We are not afford the debt they are running up. Like teenagers with lst credit card.
5/23/2014 8:55:52 AM
j_northey says:
Typical - lets promise to do this during an election when we've had over a decade to do it already.

In truth what we need is to make clear rules on when twinning is needed (volume and safety) and if it isn't required scientifically we need to look at putting in more passing lanes. From Thunder Bay to Fort Frances there are few areas you can pass, often only at high risk. There are no plans for twinning there (not enough volume) but a few passing lanes (far, far cheaper than twinning) would make a world of sense. Of course, Liberals won't talk about that as it isn't exciting enough. Remember that when you vote.
5/23/2014 7:25:46 AM
nvjgu says:
Retire pleases.
5/23/2014 6:14:50 AM
Rob20 says:
Will the election ballots have a checkbox for none of the above? I hope so... Seems like the only logical choice
5/23/2014 5:45:10 AM
cazam says:
I prefer the PCs touting of 'approving 10 mines in 5 years'.

I think there is a bit more to in than a simple approval stamp, but sure if it gets you ignorant votes, why not?
5/22/2014 9:43:54 PM
djs says:
I hate to see a political party grovel for votes and use scare tactics....If the Liberals aren't re-elected, we don't get the road work done between Thunder Bay and Nipigon....Oh well, so what. Is that a priority for the north or would increasing the number of passing lanes be more appropriate.
The PCs are talking sense?!? LOLOLOL!!! First, they say they will remove 100,000 jobs and then they will create 1,000,000 jobs. So are they going to create 900,000 jobs or 1,100,000 jobs?!?!? What kinds of jobs do they think they can create? Part time? Low paying? Lacking in benefits or job security?
The NDP say they will speed up the waiting times in our hospitals. How about increase the number of doctors available in small communities? Widening 60 km of highway?? Again, why not increase the number of passing lanes rather than waste billions on a highway project that will never see completion before the rest of the roads are in need of major repairs.
5/22/2014 8:29:38 PM
reese says:
Foulds must not leave the safety of the city there has been a lot of work done here
The proprosal to twin the highway has been happenig since the early 1990,s none of the the current politicians can claim any thing on that project
Do they think the bridge in Nipigon is being built for practice?
5/22/2014 8:07:09 PM
alarmforce says:
"O Mickey & Billie, don't threaten our intelligent's and those of the rest of the people in NWO." We are sick of your threats and just another reason you need to be replaced !!
Go Big Blue Machine.
5/22/2014 7:33:41 PM
grazzroots says:
What happens if a politician drowns in the river IT'S POLLUTION

What happens if all of them drown IT'S A SOLUTION
5/22/2014 7:04:09 PM
jonthunder says:
More Liberal spin. They have made a total mess of Ontario and its economy. All they talk about is funding projects that we cannot afford; that cannot fit within a balanced budget. They are JOKERS.
5/22/2014 6:51:37 PM
Sleepin giant says:
"But the Liberals warn that these projects, which were included in the Liberal government's spring budget, are in jeopardy."


I figure after many years of Liberal governing, the province of Ontario is in jeopardy.

5/22/2014 6:18:19 PM
dynamiter says:
Good job Billy and Mikey - Announce the previously re-announced announcement. How about re-announcing that the Nipigon Bridge is going ahead as previously announced. What a bunch of losers - or maybe I should call them bribers. Stop please trying to bribe me with my own money - you have tenure and you will get your pensions - so you can slink into the shadows.
5/22/2014 5:41:33 PM
yqtyqt says:

Isn't this similar to the "vote for us or Bombardier will go under" argument that we've heard before?

The Liberals & Wynne promised a clean campaign. Her exact words in her tv commercials is that "I will not run a negative campaign".

Last night during the hockey game, all I heard her say was "blah, blah Tim Hudak", "blah blah blah the NDP". I guess it shouldn't be a surprise since the Liberals have continued to lay the BS on us ever since McGuinty stated "I will not raise taxes" campaign.

I'm going to make a prediction for the debate in Thunder Bay. I bet Wynne comes out with her blah, blah, blah Tim Hudak statement no less than a dozen times. She also won't be specific on where she's getting the money to pay for her promises. She'll have an following of fat Public Sector union members at her beck & call. And she'll want a certain number of photo-ops with B&M at as many locations as possible.

Wake up Thunder Bay. Isn't it time that you considered the damage done by the Libs.
5/23/2014 9:11:28 AM
gremlin says:
Well if anyone or party knows anything about "fear tactics" it would certainly be Andrew Foulds & the NDP.

Talk about "calling-the-kettle-black". That cracked me up.
5/22/2014 4:52:34 PM
Zelig says:
"The NDP, which released its platform Thursday, has committed to widening 60 kilometres of highway in the province every year, with at least 30 of those kilometres in the North.
"How much road have (the Liberals) actually done in 10 years?" Foulds asked. "Fewer than 20 kilometres."
Actually, no political party has the capability of building or improving roads. Men and women have that ability but politicians would prefer us to feel helpless without their involvement. They forcibly take money from us and then boldly announce that they will spend some of it on 'building' roads or 'creating' jobs. They then direct our labour toward these projects and after it's done they claim that they did it themselves. Is it absurd that they seek re-election by threatening to not spend our money and our labour on things we want? If you vote at all, you endorse this madness.
5/22/2014 4:51:27 PM
S Duncan says:
great post.

Its true that government cannot create a job. People have become brainwashed thinking they need the government when it is entirely the other way around.

The government has nothing to give that wasn't already ours in the first place.

I also agree with your other comment about getting caught in the right wing/left wing paradigm.

People must understand that those wings are attached to the same airplane and flight control is making all the decisions.

I know which way I want to go so I have to lean on the right wing. I cannot control the destination but maybe the scenery on the way there will be more to my liking.

5/22/2014 5:13:21 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
Love the airplane analogy.
First class gets a smoother ride, and most people just watch the in-flight movie instead of the scenery..
5/23/2014 7:07:29 AM
Zelig says:
Thank you.

It takes a lot of effort to unwind the brainwashing we've been subjected to, and to see things as they really are. As I see it, the system is corrupt and needs to be overhauled from the ground up. As long as a majority of us vote, they have our approval to continue on, and if we demand change within this structure it will come as small, insignificant tweaks that vanish within a larger trend toward more unfairness. Not going to the polls is the most blatant way to remove your support for this system.
5/23/2014 7:27:15 AM
bttnk says:
Mark this day down. I agree with S Duncan. Great posts by both you and Zelig.
5/23/2014 8:43:38 AM
S Duncan says:
at least the PCs are talking sense in this election.

The liberals keep touting the same old tax spend debt policy that has gotten us in so much trouble.

Just curious what the Green and Libertarian partys thought of this?
5/22/2014 4:40:53 PM
ibrando says:
The Liberal politics of fear and desperation at its finest. This kind of fear mongering pretty much guarantees a conservative majority. But Foulds is the biggest joke of all three. His party will commit to 30 km of widening in the North each year? Well Andie do you realize widening does not mean twinning? Northern Ontario starts at French River, so your party would widen 30km somewhere between North Bay and the Manitoba border? Really?
5/22/2014 5:45:27 PM
glass half full says:
PC's talking sense?

Last time I checked the leader will not even come to our region to debate or in other words talk..

If you keep telling yourself that the PC party is so great one day you will believe it.

5/23/2014 7:30:38 AM
pc says:
Would you want to be in debate with these two women?
The poor man would not get a word in edgewise. Women do not debate with a man. They criticize and belittle men and talk right over them.
If he cuts in he is reported to be rude. If he stays quiet and polite he is afraid of them. So say main stream media.
He can't win no matter what
5/26/2014 10:06:50 PM
yqtyqt says:
Whenever a political party makes a pile of unsupported & wild spending promises, its fair game to ask them how they will pay for them. Maybe billie and Mikie can explain better.

The PCs have said that they will cut the fat from the bureaucracy. There are over 1.2 million gov't employees. Complete with promises of benefits, future pensions, & cost of living increases.

Not that long ago, there were 3/4 of the number of well fed employees (with benefits and future pensions). If the economy was humming along nicely, then I would have conceded the argument. Although I don't know what that number of bureaucrats would be doing in Queens Park. I've worked in Queens Park, its like rats arriving in the morning on the subway to show up at 8 am & rats leaving in the afternoon with their paychecks. Some functionally literate & most not.

When I have Sunday dinner with my children & grandchildren, I wonder what will be left in Ontario for them. Other than debts & misery.

Get out & vote people.

5/23/2014 10:43:04 AM
yqtyqt says:
Where's the money coming from & haven't we heard this threat before.

The debt clock is ticking.
5/22/2014 4:34:11 PM
Eastender says:
Oh, you mean that project by the lake, the one thats supposed to be called an event centre, but is really a glorified hockey rink? Could that be at risk of not getting funding?

Go PCs.
5/23/2014 2:29:38 PM
S Duncan says:
Does this mean Ive converted you to the PC team Eastender?

they aint perfect, but theyre much closer than those other spendaholics.
5/23/2014 10:00:49 PM
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