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2014-06-06 at 08:08

Alternative-level of care patients should be moved into LPH today

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THUNDER BAY -- Twenty-six alternative level of care patients will finally be moved to their new home at the Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital by the end of Friday.

President for St Joseph Care Group Tracy Buckler says they moved five ALC patients a day throughout the week to make it as easy on them as possible.

“Things seem to be going very well,” Buckler said during an interview with CKPR Radio. “Our staff are working hard to make sure people have a very comfortable, safe, welcoming and warm environment.” 

Buckler added that they trained 40 new staff to help run the temporary facility.

 

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Tbaylifer 1 says:
A band aid solution to an ever going problem, the lack of long term care beds. What is needed is true government leadership, something that is lacking and has been for years. Seniors deserve better.
6/6/2014 8:38:58 AM
maggie72 says:
I believe the overall population of T. Bay believe it is just an elderly problem. It is not just an elderly issue. TBRHSC has a problem with the Mentally ill area as well. There are a good number of patients on the Adult Mental Health area as well as the Forensic area, that need places to live i.e. supportive housing, return to family etc. When you think about the cost per day of housing any patient at TBRHSC is probably around $1200.00 or so a day. Consider this over 3 months to over a year in some cases. We as the taxpayer are paying for this as well. LPH should have never been closed in the first place. The care there was excellent. Granted there were some issues, but overall, the care was excellent. I empathize with both TBRHSC and SJCG, they are probably in a quandary, but again there are a lot of middle/senior managers running around with clipboards. Granted they are educated, but "please start to do some constructive problem solving and decision making.
6/8/2014 11:39:09 AM
Alsa says:
I think the title of this article is wrong. Alternative level of care patients are being moved. The regional hospital remains an acute care facility as it is intended to be. Therefore, all acute care patients should not be moved to the LPH.
6/6/2014 9:15:15 AM
nvjgu says:
Let's cut to the chase shall we. These seniors don't have the money to pay for a long term care home. They don't have the money to stay in there own home, I will bet these people are wondering how there going to pay for being at the LPH. Being at the hospital was free. There's just no money. This is not a fix at all. Those bed's at the hosp. will be filled in a week or less.
6/6/2014 11:09:34 AM
Curious says:
Just to let you know, the hospital is not free. It cost me just over $2,000 a month to have my mom wait for a bed - she was on a wait list for a nursing home for 5 years. My health prevented me from being able to care for her. And I can tell you, the lack of care and help she got was appalling. If someone isn't there to help them with meals (slop) bathing, etc. they were ignored. I was there daily helping her and others as there was little help or concern for them. At least there will be staff there that will care for them and not be tossed in a corner. I paid more to have my mom in the hospital awaiting a nursing home bed than I paid to have her in a nursing home. With all of the staff cutbacks in all of the nursing homes recently - with more coming, it probably the best place to be right now.
6/6/2014 2:07:44 PM
MyMothersAdvocate says:
Nvigu - while waiting at the Regional Hospital for LTC - the patient pays a monthly cost based on their tax assessment. Not free at all. What they pay at the Regional is what they will pay once they transition to a long term care facility. Problem is not enough LTC beds.
6/6/2014 4:31:22 PM
LetRrip says:
ALC patients would not be acute... that’s why they are deemed ALC. nvjgu everyone can afford LTC, the government subsidizes rates for those who have financial issues. They may not be able to afford retirement homes but that is not what we are talking about. This is the best attempt at getting the hospital out of grid lock and having somewhere less busy, stressful and contaminated for these people to be cared for. A hospital is not a place for an ALC patient.
6/6/2014 1:19:07 PM
The Beaver.... says:
Tbaylifer
Why do you assume that the responsibility to take care of the the aged is truly a matter for Government. I spent a great deal of my life taking care of my offspring's so should I therefore not have the right to expect them to take care of me.
Why would you put the burden of my old age on the Government of the day. To blame the Government for the over spending and the fiscal mismanagement that most people are capable off today and the total disregard for family ties should never be a matter for political correction. I took care of requirements to my end...did you...??
6/6/2014 3:57:01 PM
Heinicke says:
Anyone who goes through life expecting their kids to take care of them in old age is lazy. That is a terrible burden to put on your kids. You decided to have them, they didn't decide to have you.
If you didn't save enough, so be it. Are we going to put citizens out on these streets? No.
I think it's pretty disgusting to depend on your kids for your old age care.
6/6/2014 6:27:23 PM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
You assume the individual has offspring and that they are capable of caring for them. You also do not seem to understand the system we have reguarding healthcare. You contribute when young for a system that should be in place for those who then require help when older or in some young.
I believe the problem with healthcares budget is not those in need but rather thse running the system.
6/6/2014 10:05:26 PM
Curious says:
Well beaver, nothing is free - nursing homes are expensive. People pay dearly to have their loved ones cared for. Until you have had to care for someone with dementia, Alzheimer's , you had best hold your comments. They need 24 hour care. Not too many people are able to totally commit to this. When people still have a family to look after, a job etc, there is still a mortgage to pay not to mention the ridiculous taxes we have to pay, a 24 hr. Caregiver is not in the cards. That is why we pay large sums of money to have nursing home care - not that is what you want to do as the care is less than sufficient. Trust me if we could keep our loved ones at home we would!
6/7/2014 1:53:56 PM
sunshinevalleygirl says:
Maybe give some regular part time jobs to your casual staff you currently have instead of hiring more casual positions. These nurses have to get a second job just to try to make a living. But then they might have to pay benefits, god forbid!
6/6/2014 4:07:47 PM
lori says:
yes, yes, we need gov't leadership. Where.

AT City Hall where they decided to close 400 senior beds.

Or at the provincial gov't level and our two liberal MPP's who have obtained all of the funding to replace those beds with over 500 beds fully funded by the province.

If people would get their head out of the sand and looked across the river from Chapples Golf Course, they would see the one building built and occupied and the other one well under way.

Maybe the gov't should hold everyone's hand and walk them around individually to show them what is happening. Relying on folks to be informed certainly isn't working.

By the by. Yes, 2 grand a month for long term care sounds about right.

And I would hate to say I partially agree with Beaver, but why is it automatic that the gov't takes care of you until you die.

It is at least worth a discussion, don't you think
6/6/2014 5:18:41 PM
glass half full says:
"but why is it automatic that the gov't takes care of you until you die"

Seriously Lori you just made the above statement?

Seniors have paid and contributed to the very tax system we all rely on for years further more they have pave the path for the lifestyle we all enjoy.

100% the government should look after seniors until you die.

I usually ignore your comments as they are so right field I get a good laugh. Unbelievable comment and lack of respect for the elders.

6/6/2014 5:42:58 PM
nvjgu says:
What a mess.
6/6/2014 8:29:25 PM
The Beaver…. says:
Heinicke
Tell that to the Japanese and the Chinese
were looking after your elders is a matter of
honour.


6/7/2014 6:47:22 PM
The Beaver…. says:
lori
we are getting so cuddly next thing you know we are going out to Dinner.
6/7/2014 6:52:28 PM
maggie72 says:
Oh Health Care Restructuring Commission, you should have listened in 1979 now look at the fiasco you have. You were in such a hurry to close LPH, now guess what instead of closing "it is reopening". It is only 26 or so beds, but before you know it at least 4 more wings will be open. Good job everyone. AND TBRHSC is still in GRIDLOCK. Hmm.
6/7/2014 7:33:36 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Heinicke and Tbay and curious
Anyone who goes through life expecting their kids to take care of them in old age is lazy
You assume the individual has offspring and that they are capable of caring for them. You also do not seem to understand the system we have regarding healthcare Well beaver, nothing is free - nursing homes are expensive. People pay dearly to have their loved ones cared for. Until you have had to care for someone
Well boys let me clue you in. The Beaver produced his off spring he diapered them he fed them and he bought them their first pair of Shoes.He also put them on their first little bike.He sent them off to School,and he looked after them till they came out of academia and made the Beaver very proud.
6/9/2014 12:22:22 PM
The Beaver..... says:
2)That only took about 26 years of the Beavers life. In the interim the Beaver buried his dad, and took care of his mom in in a nursing home. Then the Beaver lost his wife and partner (to cancer) The Beaver was never Lazy as Heinike pointed out, and he does not think that he needs a lot of advise in life because he probably forgot more about life then others will ever get to know. So to expect ones children to take care of their elders is not such a novel idea ..is it..In the end before you and I become an Engel we have one last weapon and its like a magnate .....its called The last will and Testament .Have a nice day ,,you all
6/9/2014 12:24:20 PM
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