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Hate by numbers: City hate-crime rate among highest in country

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- This city had the second highest hate-crime rate per capita in the country in 2012, but Statistics Canada says those numbers are the result of better awareness and reporting.

There were more than 1,400 police-reported hate crimes across Canada in 2012, up by 82 from 2011. While the country's 10 largest cities had 63 per cent of those, when broken down per 100,000 Thunder Bay ranks second only to Hamilton.

The Canadian average is 4.1 per 100,000. Thunder Bay's is more than 15.

There was only one reported in the city in 2011. Statistics Canada credits the jump to better reporting and awareness by the Thunder Bay Police Service and the launch of the city's Hate Crimes Awareness Committee.

"It should be noted that, given the relatively small number of hate crimes, small increases in the number of police-reported incidents can have a considerable impact on the percentage change in the number of incidents from one year to the next, as well as on changes in the characteristics of hate crimes. The impact of improved hate crime reporting by police services in Hamilton and Thunder Bay is an example of this," the reports states.

Across Canada in 2012, 33 hate crimes targeted Aboriginals with one-third of them being violent. The most common crime was listed as mischief at 61 per cent.

Victims and the accused tended to be younger in cases involving Aboriginals compared to other ethnicities . 

Half of the victims were female and under the age of 24. The accused were 93 per cent male and 24 or under 90 per cent of the time. Around 58 per cent of the time they were identified as an acquaintance of the victim.

Thunder Bay Police Service spokesman Chris Adams said the force now has mechanisms in place for investigating officers to recognize and report crimes that are committed because of hate bias.

"It's a process of education that we've had to go through," he said.

Hateful graffiti used to be reported as mischief even if there were hate-motivated factors behind it.

"Very often that wasn't tracked properly," Adams said.

While it's not always cut-and-dry as to what constitutes a hate crime, Adams said officers now know what to look for hate motivation can now be tracked by Statistics Canada.

"It's what lies beneath them, what motivates them," he said.

People are also more comfortable reporting hate crimes, something Adams credits to awareness campaigns.

City anti-racism advisory committee chair Amina Abu-Bakare agrees.

Like Adams, she's not surprised by the number as reporting methods have improved. While Thunder Bay strives to be racist-free, these stats get a dialogue going.

"If these things are not reported we're going to be living in a bubble, so it's nice to know what we're facing," she said.

"We're hoping next year the numbers will be better."




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alexa says:
to "druidinthemist says", you can't quote something from johnny carson, it's not relevant anymore.
6/29/2014 9:22:18 AM
Royalflush says:
Of course he can and of course it is
6/30/2014 12:50:11 PM
dad3192 says:
Reported versus proven....big difference....
6/29/2014 7:36:16 AM
chbaker says:
It's definitely scary to walk down the street at night.

"got a smoke chum?" seems to be a prelude to a robbery nowadays.
6/28/2014 7:18:49 PM
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ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
These are just reported hate crimes. My family has been the target of hate crimes on several occasions which I never reported. It seems so common now and it's not right. I am a white female born in Canada and I see hate crimes very frequent around this town. I see aboriginals being hated on by white people and I have seen white people being hated on by aboriginals.

I never reported any of the incidents because by the time police arrive, 3,4,5 hrs later, the person who attacked me is long gone.
6/27/2014 11:10:22 PM
Brutus02 says:
Is this really surprising to anyone?

6/27/2014 10:00:16 AM
druidinthemist says:
an interesting point was raised earlier. are we getting a bang for our buck when it comes to the tbpd. if you factor in crimestoppers, we really don't solve many crimes. i remember watching a criminologist being interview by johnny carson years ago. johnny asked him if you wanted to kill someone and get away with it where would you commit the crime. astonishingly he pointed to northwestern ontario. that takes into account all of canada and continental u.s.
6/27/2014 9:03:23 AM
alexa says:
the whole thing is ridiculous: You can't count statistics for something if no one knows what they are counting! "While it's not always cut-and-dry as to what constitutes a hate crime". And then it is even more ridiculous to then compare the stats. Perhaps we count graffiti and others don't...........the numbers can not be used to draw any conclusions.....at all!
6/27/2014 9:00:38 AM
New Democrat says:
Did anyone actually read the article? In the entire country in 2012, only 33 hate crimes were reported against Aboriginal people. Statistically, this is a tiny number. Only 1/3 of those were violent. 11. The rest were "mischief" and both the victims and the perpetrators tend to be young (under 24).

So ~22 of those crimes were basically kids throwing crap out of cars and yelling racial slurs. The rest, ~11, were actually violent and serious. 11 across the entire country. And even then, in a majority of cases, the victim and perpetrator know each other. So most of these aren't even random.

Why does the article only mention the number of Aboriginal victims and not any other race? People are taking these numbers and using them as gospel. It's the same sort of logic and math that makes Thunder Bay the Murder Capital of Canada, yet how many people who live here are actually afraid of being gunned down or stabbed in the street? These stats and article are simply misleading at best.
6/27/2014 5:19:39 AM
timeforchange says:
Crime is not a problem in Thunder Bay when you speak to those in charge.

So why does our ranking for this category like our ranking for violence, drug use, murders continues to be among the highest while our spending for cops continues to be among the highest.

We continue to throw money at this bloated inefficient police service and we get lousy results.

Unless you listen to CBAKER. His point of view is as long as crimes are being solved everything is good.

We should tell that to the thousands of victims every year. I am sure they will be pleased to know that the injuries they suffered, the property they lost, or the harassment they endured is all okay because the police arrested the bad guy.

You have to love the TB cops. The guys and girls on the street, trying to stop a flood with a fishing net while the boys in the ivory tower make huge money to deliver incredibly bad results year after year after year.
6/26/2014 10:54:24 PM
ou812 says:
"While it's not always cut-and-dry as to what constitutes a hate crime, Adams said officers now know what to look for hate motivation can now be tracked by Statistics Canada."

Well when you figure out what constitutes a hate crime let us know!
6/26/2014 10:54:13 PM
tired says:
Is a hate crime a hate crime if the person reporting it thinks so, or do the police make that determination after an investigation is complete. That said, does stats Canada take the pre or post investigation results to create their report? That may make a very large difference.
6/26/2014 9:45:39 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
Although it doesnt say in the article how cities other than Hamilton and TBay define "Hate Crime", it does make one wonder how the chart would look if all the cities used the same standards.
We went from 1 reported crime to 17 in a single year, just by redefining the reports.
So.. some family or business chooses not to move to thunder bay because they read somewhere that hate crime is rampant in Thunder Bay.

6/26/2014 9:34:16 PM
tsb says:
As a white person, this statistic makes me feel uncomfortable and ashamed, therefore I am going to dispute it and compare it to bigfoot!!
6/26/2014 6:45:22 PM
OdieCleghorn says:
Almost 4 times the national average... such smart understanding people in this city.
6/26/2014 3:22:16 PM
dman31029 says:
How is it determined if a crime is a 'hate-crime'? Is it any crime in which the victim and offender are of a different race?
6/26/2014 3:16:07 PM
imbroglio says:
Good question, I was thinking the exact same thing. Just what exactly defines a 'hate crime', in terms of this report?
6/26/2014 4:43:59 PM
JakobWellis says:
There is an accepted definition, and in this case it would be based off the Criminal Code.

6/27/2014 11:12:12 AM
S Duncan says:
Reports mean nothing.

There are many ufo and bigfoot reports too, but they prove absolutely nothing.
6/26/2014 3:06:49 PM
boofer69 says:
Way to go Thunder Bay. Is anyone surprised? I wouldn't walk out alone any more.
6/26/2014 2:14:29 PM
Eastender says:
Without a clear definition of what constitutes a hate crime, these statustics are meaningless.

If you insult my wife, and I hate you for doing so, then punch you in the nose, is that a hate crime?
6/27/2014 9:22:24 AM
JakobWellis says:
6/27/2014 11:08:18 AM
Eastender says:
Well then, what exactly is a hate crime?
6/27/2014 12:36:49 PM
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