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2014-07-22 at MIDNIGHT

'It is day after day'

Robert Rickards speaks to city council Monday night.
Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
Robert Rickards speaks to city council Monday night.
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By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com

Neighbours say they’re angry and frustrated by the noise at a new trampoline park and want the city’s help to keep it down.

Robert Rickards came to city council with nearly 20 signatures Monday night saying residents of Northern and Southern Avenue are fed up with loud music coming from the Lowery’s Sports Dome ever since Aerosports Trampoline Parks moved in earlier this year.

Along with the volume, Rickards said the bass, which can happens erratically anytime between 8 a.m. and 11 p.m. every night, makes it nearly impossible to sit outside of his home or have guests over. It’s also keeping neighbours awake.

“It is day after day,” he said. “It can be very stressful.”

“It’s sporadic , it’s erratic. You’d have to come and live at any of our houses to live with it.”

The area is also overwhelmed at certain times by noise levels from events at the CLE Coliseum.  Rickards said they’ve called police but have been told it’s a city bylaw issue, which only has enforcement until 4:30 p.m. Rickards said sometimes he and his wife have to leave their home to escape the noise.

“There’s no way we should have to be forced out of our house,” he said.

The residents want the city to strengthen its noise bylaws. Council voted to have a report come back in October.

City manager Tim Commisso cautioned council though that there’s not much administration can do unless council gives specific direction. He said the bylaw department has about 1,700 registered complaints a year and very few of them are because of noise.

“We have no authority, no ability right now other than what council has approved in the budget,” he said.

Coun. Ken Boshcoff and Coun. Joe Virdiramo said the issue will be raised at the CLE’s board meeting July 29.


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silverado92 says:
Move to the country then .. its a city and it has sound and noise... Do people ever not complain in this town???.....
7/22/2014 12:23:05 AM
S Duncan says:
Ironically the CLE was founded for agricultural exhibitions.

The loudest noises coming from there are supposed to be the "bah" of a sheep, the whinnie of a horse, or the loud noises of a pumpkin taking a rest.

The CLE's events and useage has changed dramatically from its intended purpose. The dome, silver city, etc.. should never have been allowed to happen there.

I don't blame these people for complaining because its not the neighbourhood that has changed, its the CLE that has.

7/22/2014 8:11:24 AM
smartguy83 says:
Change is good though...
7/22/2014 9:39:26 AM
Doug Meyers says:
Sound is one thing, noise another. Noise as a result of necessary activities has to be tolerated, but noise as a result of inconsiderate, boorish and selfish behaviour should not. Your response, "move to the country" is an example of the all too common belief by some that they are more important than everyone else.
Loud, thumping bass from this location or from the idiot in the car next to you, roaring staccato exhaust noise from little cars and motorcycles, the blaring stereo in the neighbour's yard, the drunken laughter from the backyard party at 1 am, etc. are all examples of this inconsiderate attitude that pervades our modern society. What has happened to, "Think about the other guy?"
7/22/2014 8:46:05 AM
S Duncan says:
do you mean like the ice racers at Chippewa Doug?

That noise travels awfully far. Luckily it doesn't last too long or else there would probably be complaints.

You guys should implement a muffler rule for the better of your sport and to avoid any noise issues in the future. Theres plenty of good quality mufflers available out there that wont affect the low power levels of those cars anyway, although they might cost $200 which is about the total price of a car.

or aren't you thinking about the other guy?
7/22/2014 10:16:20 AM
bttnk says:
@ S Duncan - Exactly what I was thinking. Seems like all of Dougs comments are reserved for when it doesn't inconvenience him.
7/22/2014 2:09:34 PM
Doug Meyers says:
I have nothing to do with ice racing at Chippewa. Perhaps you have me confused with Doug Myers. Maybe you think the other Doug's comments are self-serving, but he still has the right to have them. I hope my comments are not seen as self-serving; I generally only comment on issues that for the greater good.
7/22/2014 4:29:36 PM
Royalflush says:
Lets see, those people were living there long before the trampoline park decided to blast their sound. Hence tney should be told immediately to shut tne sound off. That bubble, is like an amplifier, think megaphone, it amplifies small sounds, especially sounds in the lower range.
This is typical beaurocratic mumbo jumbo. Police say its not their job to enforce bylaws, administration passes the buck to ciry council, council is too busy building monoliths to their glory, and so we ride on the merry go round of absurdity.
I live on a busy street, and the traffic noise is annoying, but thats necessary noise, and I have learned to live with it. But noisy parties, noisy car exhausts, noisy motorcycles, etc. etc. thats just ignorance on tnose who create the noise. We pay city council and administration good money to provide bylaws and enforcement. Start doing your job, Hobbs et al. Give your bylaws some teeth.
Concerts and circuses should be staged out of town in the first place.
7/22/2014 9:46:29 AM
donnybrook says:
If I built a daycare next door to your house and you had to listen to kids wailing from 8am to 11pm you know darn well you'd be complaining too. Lie and say you wouldn't, but we know better.
7/22/2014 9:57:55 AM
Eastender says:
How about Your neighbour practice his trombone outside your bedroom window at 3 o'clock in the morning, because he's a nighthawk? Will you then move to the country?
7/22/2014 10:10:13 PM
mystified says:
For crying out loud. Do you want some cheese with that whine?
It's a city, trains, planes and automobiles making noise at all hours of the day and night.
I wouldn't invest a penny in that city because someone will form a group and complain that they don't like it.
7/22/2014 1:52:13 AM
S Duncan says:
planes, trains and automobiles are all moving.

Their contribution to noise is not constant and in one static location. A train may rumble by homes, but its over in 5 minutes. A plane contributes noise for a much shorter duration than that. As for automobiles, they come and go too.

When you live next to a steady source of noise that has invaded your area most likely you wouldn't like it either. I don't live there but I can sympathize with those who do.

Theres really no valid reason that these places should produce the sound levels they do.
7/22/2014 10:12:23 AM
sandstorm says:
no matter what..someone will ALWAYS have to complain.. I wouldn't be surprised if they complained when the CLE is in town.. here's an idea... you live across from city owned fairgrounds. GET USED TO IT or get out. these people drive me nuts.
7/22/2014 2:03:46 AM
Ozone says:
Nothing they an do??? How about this council starts acting like a mayor and council should.

And the police? It mazes me that they will have officers stationed at the dump all week long for free dump week looking to ticket and harass the public or have two cars sit 24 hours a day at the latest homicide scene at Intercity but can't deal with this ongoing nuisance in the neighborhood.
7/22/2014 7:24:25 AM
Tannoy says:
So your saying its bad that the police are guarding a crime scene with 2 cruisers instead of dealing with noise complaints? seriously? I think the crime scene is more important than noise complaints...

Check the Bi-laws in this city for noise... as long as it stops at 11pm its within the law. So... I guess deal with it or move?
7/22/2014 9:11:41 AM
smartguy83 says:
You sir/mam do not understand how cities work then...there is literally nothing they can do.
7/22/2014 9:41:11 AM
gusto says:
You're right. Noise complaints during business hours from a commercial entertainment area are definately more important than securing a homicide scene. *facepalm*
7/22/2014 9:59:31 AM
tadzup says:
Yeah lets "strengthen" the bylaw so things can be so restrictive you get a fine for singing in the shower. Thanks for wasting tax dollars and Council's time for yet another useless "report".

Our existing noise bylaw is actually pretty decent. The issue is enforcement, not that it's not strong enough.

However, these people chose to live near the CLE grounds. Of course there is going to be noise; there are events like trade shows, the CLE fair, shags and parties, farmers markets with people singing and playing music, etc. What did they expect when they chose to move there?
7/22/2014 7:45:19 AM
nvjgu says:
Police say it's a city bylaw, Where do the police think there pay check is coming from.
7/22/2014 7:59:35 AM
rocketship says:
I bet that the above commenter doesn't live next to this business on the CLE grounds.

It's not necessary to blast out the neighbourhood when providing some happy music for the participants.
**How about the business being a good neighbour!!
7/22/2014 8:00:08 AM
BuddhaMum says:
I feel for these people, I really do. I live close enough to Marina Park that every.single.summer.event sounds like it's taking place in my own backyard. That's everything from Summer in the Park to Blues Fest to Movies in the Park. It makes it hard to get my kids to sleep and we use fans and sound machines to help mask the noise from the Marina. Sheesh, during Melissa Etheridge's set at the Blues Fest this year, my glasses were literally shaking in my kitchen cupboards.
However, to say it's "nearly impossible to sit outside" or "have guests over" seems a bit over the top. Obviously, the people complaining of the noise don't want to move from their homes so I think it makes sense for them to work with the city to come up with a suitable solution for all involved.
Good luck to everyone!
7/22/2014 8:50:07 AM
crazyforweed says:
Are you kidding me ? someone actually complained about this... ,for one. when i do go to the movies i can hear the movies from outside sometime's ... AND you wanna cry cause you can hear a bit of music t'il 830 pm.. get a life already !! friggin tbay full of cry babies
7/22/2014 9:01:12 AM
communistguy says:
Take a page out of Shuniah Township, Sue the city! put up a gate at each end of the street and people who live on that street get passes! don't forget to put 2 police officers at each end to guard it, lord knows they aint doing much with the recent spike in crime and all!
7/22/2014 9:04:36 AM
TbayMum says:
This is why there is nothing to do for youth in this city EXCEPT crime! This is something that is great for kids and the community and all people do is complain! I live across the st from a bar, I know the noise levels. But you need to understand there is really not a lot for youth to do in this city and this is keeping them fit, and out of trouble. Would you rather have them out on the streets looking for trouble? For god sakes its not even safe to let you kids ride their bikes down the st anymore! Let them have their SAFE fun!
7/22/2014 9:30:04 AM
zelig says:
I grew up in Tbay and we had lots to do without needing any help from adults or businesses. We called it playing, exploring, etc and the only costs were occasional skinned knees or bruises. It's sad that we feel the need to provide constant, ever-escalating amusement for kids.
7/22/2014 2:36:50 PM
BuddhaMum says:
Word!
7/23/2014 9:00:23 AM
Murphy says:
Is it seriously that bad? I can't imagine it being crazy loud but I don't live in that area. Maybe they should post a video clip of the noise so we could understand better.
I didn't think kids having clean fun is a bad thing.
It is sad that our city is so unrealistic. We want to be a thriving city and we are being squashed by people that basicly don't like change. We are a developing city, you should consider moving out of the CITY if CITY noises bug you.
It's kids jumping on trampolines having fun enjoying physical activity not getting involved in the negative stuff of this city.
7/22/2014 9:32:50 AM
j_northey says:
Funny thing is I've lived in places where the complaints are about noise at 2 AM and the like, not 8 AM to 11 PM. Most city bylaws limit noise to being during that stretch. Not sure how much further back it could go.

As to the specifics, asking that the dome be more soundproof is not unreasonable. I don't live near it so I don't know how much louder it is around it than before. I know I didn't want to live near the CLE grounds as I knew I didn't want to deal with the noise/traffic/garbage it generates. If the people moved there in the past 20 years I have trouble feeling sorry for them as expansion of noise from it should be expected.

I know I live 2 KM from the waterfront and I can hear the music from it during concerts, sometimes loud enough that I think a neighbour is having a party until I remember a concert is going on. Sound can travel very well. But those are things you need to consider before moving into a home.
7/22/2014 9:44:24 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
These trees are damaging my property, these people are trashing the beach close to my property, and now this...... I am going to honk my horn non stop driving down this block from now on and blast my speakers too! Bunch of crybabies.

7/22/2014 9:56:43 AM
jethro says:
This is a lot like me buying a house next to the mainline railway tracks and then whining about noise and wanting the train to move!!!! Wonder how long till events at marina are shut down because NEW condo owners don't like noise???? Kinda ironic how squeeky wheel gets the grease. Carefull what you wish for whiners,, gonna be left with all old people in thunder bay,,, then what happens?????
7/22/2014 10:02:29 AM
Kuha says:
Again the complaints. As soon as thunder bay gets something new someone dosen't like it. Move to the sticks then
7/22/2014 10:07:18 AM
Momof2greatkids says:
Some people have nothing to do but complain...... It's children having fun..... Or adults having fun..... If you font like noise move to the bush..... The city is full of noise... Lighten up....
7/22/2014 11:01:46 AM
nads74 says:
Can someone please explain to me that you can't have a private party in your yard and have excessive noise past 11, or the police come, but business can and it's not the police job to come when called?
7/22/2014 12:11:02 PM
spazz says:
if you had read the article you would see that the complaint is about noise between 8am and 11pm. that is not happening during the hours affected by the noise bylaws.
7/23/2014 9:14:24 AM
kodii says:
ever stupid like common now, there are more real concerns in this city , then these almost 20 people that have nothing else to complain about, would u rather the kids break into ur house or drinking or doing drugs ect,, instead of having something to do, last i checked anyone is aloud to have noise up to 11pm so they have done nothing wrong
7/22/2014 1:12:44 PM
enos012 says:
It not like these people moved there full well knowing this was taking place! This buysness moved in and is a damper on these people's quality of life. It would be nice to get some decent sleep no? How comfortable would you feel if your doctor came in all grogy about to perform heart surgery becuase they haven't had decent sleep. There is noise and than there is NOISE. If the neighbours can hear it that bad I can on imagine how deafing it is on the inside for the people there.
7/22/2014 1:38:44 PM
keiths31 says:
I lived on Northern Avenue for a few years in the early 2000's. The noise was loud everyday of the week. In part to the traffics as May and Northern are pretty busy streets. As well as the theatre and golf dome. But the absolute worst was during the fair. The week that the fair was in town was brutal. The first three years I lived there the CLE handed out free passes to the households along Northern. My last year I lived there they didn't. I understand what these people are going through, but it shouldn't come as a shock that the area is loud.
7/22/2014 2:10:05 PM
cazam says:
I am going to go out on a limb and assume that The City approved whatever business/operating license for this facility. An I am going to assume that they had the opportunity to scrutinize whatever application/proposal was submitted by the owner/operator. So assuming these assumptions are correct, now the business owner is left standing with egg on his face despite following the required procedures. It's nice how everyone gets blamed, such as counsellors and the business owners, except for the authorities that APPROVED it in the first place.
7/22/2014 2:15:30 PM
sinkoreswim says:
Sorry but a measly group of TWENTY PEOPLE (zowie!) are NOT going to dictate policy for the rest of us.
7/22/2014 3:08:59 PM
Jetpowered says:
The problem here is that the events at the CLE are once and awhile....the fair is only 1 week every year...and other events aren't that often...this trampoline park is now blasting music 7 days a week all day.Every single one of you would be mad if you lived there....these people were there long before the trampoline park.
7/22/2014 3:43:05 PM
laurie says:
whats next? are you going to demand the planes to stop flying over.. or the birds to stop singing ?? or the siren's from emergency vehicles to stop ??

You live in the city and there is going to be some noise.

its not that bad and its not all night..

Let the kids have fun without always complaining..

7/22/2014 5:47:51 PM
xoeboa says:
This story reminds me of riverview raceways.People built homes out by the track then complained about the noise, till they got there way and had the track shut down.Or one of our councilperson that built his home on dawson road then didn't like that the gun club was out there,and tried his best to have the gun club shut down that had been around i do believe since 1909. The people of this city always seem to get behind the wrong protest.Things will never change in this city.
7/22/2014 5:55:18 PM
ITO69 says:
Why must everybody be so uncompromising? "Suck it up and move to the sticks" is a very dismissive answer. The guy looks old and probably lived there before the CLE got noisy and/or the famous players was built. But maybe the guy could have approached the business owner to ask if they could at least turn down the volume a little bit. Holy smokes, using words and reasoning with people might actually bring about a happy resolution for everyone. The kids still have a place to go, and it's not AS noisy for the people living in the neighbourhood. It's almost as if a compromise will make everyone happy as opposed to everybody talking smack about each other.
7/23/2014 8:24:17 AM
tex_mex-fry says:
Just for a heads up, it hasn't been the Lowerys Sports Dome for months now. Might wanna correct that.
7/23/2014 11:13:33 PM
tadzup says:
So these people are bothered by the occasional noise from the Trampoline Park but have nothing to say about the constant singing/yelling/noises from the Church (or whatever it is) on Prince Arthur Blvd? The sound from their speakers carries for blocks and goes on all hours of the day.

The area in general is very noisy, it's right in one of the busiest parts of the city. Why complain that kids are having fun and being active rather than causing trouble on the streets?
7/24/2014 8:19:23 PM
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