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2014-07-25 at 11:43

Contract scrapped

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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A spokeswoman for the Nor’Wester Mountain Escarpment Protection Committee says she’s ecstatic that Horizon Wind Inc.’s planned turbine farm in Thunder Bay might be dead in the water.

Irene Bond said she learned on Friday that the Ontario Power Authority had cancelled the Toronto-based company’s feed-in tariff contract, essentially ending the agreement to sell energy to the provincial grid. 

Bond said the news caught her off guard.

“If this is the news that will end this project, that the FIT contract is indeed cancelled for the whole project, yeah it is a surprise and a very welcome one,” she said.

“I’m just thrilled that this will finally be over. We’ve been at it for five years as a community grass-roots group to educate people about the destruction and the history of the land and that it deserves better than to be industrialized.”

The OPA confirmed the contract cancellation via email on Friday, citing project delays as the main reason for the decision.

“The Big Thunder Wind Park project was significantly delayed due to force majeure events,” OPA spokeswoman Mary Bernard said. “Under a FIT contract, either party to the contract has the right to terminate the contract if force majeure events delay a project past 24 months. The OPA terminated the Big Thunder Park project for this reason.”

According to Bernard, a force majeure is a stipulation in a contract that provides relief to a party when events beyond their control prevent them from fulfilling certain contractual obligations. But it also specifies a time limit to get things back on track.

“The OPA cannot provide details of the force majeure events due to confidentiality obligations under the contract,” Bernard said.

It’s unclear if there is an appeal process available to Horizon at this time.

Horizon Wind released a brief statement saying they have provided notice of dispute to the OPA on their decision to end the contract.

"Pending resolution of the disputed issues, Horizon Wind is evaluating its options," the statement reads. 

The project was first approved by Thunder Bay city council in 2007.

A dispute with the city led to Horizon in 2010 filing a $126-million lawsuit against the municipality when council refused to approve certain turbine locations.

The city later backed down and the lawsuit was tossed.

More recently Fort William First Nation filed a judicial review against the Ministry of the Environment asking for all work on the project to stop until the community had been properly consulted.

The FWFN claim alleged the province failed to consult them about the project itself and the company’s 2013 renewable energy approval.

Fort William First Nation Chief Georjann Morriseau called it a great day, but said the band won't drop any of its legal challenges until they're 100 per cent certain the project won't be completed. 

"It's still slightly early for that," Morriseau said. "Right now, today we've been working on trying to receive more confirmation on what this actually means for the project itself, for the REA application and process moving forward.

"Once we do receive that confirmation we'll be sure to update both communities on the developments." 

It's not necessarily the end of the project, she cautioned. 

"It wouldn't come as a surprise if there is an appeal," she said, adding she thinks treaty rights must come first and be protected and will ultimately prevail.

City of Thunder Bay officials said they too are looking into the legal implications of the decision, after learning of it that morning.

“At this point we're trying to understand what it means. We have a lease with Horizon, so I've asked our staff to look at it," Commisso said, wary of speaking to specifics of the lease or whether or not he thinks it's a good decision. 

Mayor Keith Hobbs had little to say.

“I have no comment at this time,” he said.

Minister of Natural Resources Bill Mauro said he was advised two or three days ago through the Ministry of Energy the contract was being terminated.

Mauro, a longtime opponent of the project, was coy in his reaction when asked Friday morning.

“My position on it has been well known,” Mauro said. “This is an OPA decision. The Ontario Power Authority has informed me … they’re not going through with the project and I think that we’re all going to move forward from there.”

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Tbsn says:
Stone Age continues in the Thunder Bay Area.
7/25/2014 12:15:34 PM
j_northey says:
Actually, this was a poorly planned project and deserved to be scrapped. It was going into areas that have been protected for decades, close to a watershed, hitting treaty lands, etc. Just because you toss a 'green' label on something doesn't make it so.
7/25/2014 4:35:17 PM
fairlane says:
I agree Tbsn. The stone age continues in Thunder Bay. People like you who have had their head stuck in the sand for the past five years with no clue how these clowns tried to take this city and province for a ride.

It wasn't at all about green energy. They were all in it for the government subsidy and steam rolled anyone who got in their way. Remember the lawsuits?

The Shuniah wind project was done right. There was consultation. It was put in the right place and we haven't heard a word from that one. This was a bad move right from the start. Thanks for coming out.
7/25/2014 8:54:52 PM
Royalflush says:
Next stop.
EVENT CENTRE SCRPPED!
7/27/2014 11:12:39 AM
Eastender says:
You are simply wrong in your post about the stone age in Thunder Bay. Actually it could be better refered to as the age of enlightenment. This was not about wind power per se, it was about location. We need low carbon emission power, and nobody questions that, but just like you would not build your house near a nuclear reactor, or a a coal, gas or pellet fired plant, or a hydro electric facility, why would you want a gigantic windmill in your backyard? There is no shortage of space in Northern Ontario. Why on the Nor Wester mountain range in sight of the entire city? It was a political decision, made for financial reasons, and had nothing to do with green energy.
7/28/2014 11:49:09 AM
sinkoreswim says:
Classic Thunder Bay opposition
7/25/2014 12:21:37 PM
Jon Powers says:
To All:

Let The H8ting Start!


Great Story! Plus Upcoming Posts!
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7/25/2014 12:46:34 PM
The Beaver..... says:
So that now opens the door for Horizon to go after the City for all kinds of good things...for Horizon this is the gift that keeps on giving.
7/25/2014 12:47:32 PM
tiredofit says:
Horizon can't go after the city for anything, they've lived up to their end of the agreement.

Had Horizon done things properly, they wouldn't be in this position, so it's nobody's fault but their own.

The group opposing the project simply opposed the location, not the technology, however the way the community was treated didn't help matters.

This is great news as we not maintain the beautiful mountain range. That area is NO PLACE for an industrial wind farm.
7/25/2014 2:35:08 PM
barry medawin says:
this is great news for the citicens of this city!!! those huge blades would be a menace, probably flying off and killing someone!
7/25/2014 12:49:05 PM
AndersonSilvasLeg says:
Thanks for the chuckle barry.
7/25/2014 12:58:08 PM
former says:
Great job. Keep burning fossil fuels.
7/25/2014 12:50:01 PM
fastball says:
Granted, this whole thing was a cluster-up from the word get-go. But I bet the company just got tired of yet another hurdle put in their way by the NIMBY's and the chronically stupid. I'd have cut the line a while ago, if it was me.
Once again, TBay amply shows itself as the Town That Time Forgot.
7/25/2014 12:52:14 PM
JoeBush says:
Good riddance!

It seems that the wind energy scam is finally being exposed in the glaring light of day and finally dealt with.

You can rest assured that this will spread and many more bogus wind projects will be cancelled.

GOOD NEWS INDEED!!!

7/25/2014 12:53:13 PM
fastball says:
At least I'll be safe from the subsonic vibrations and the dreaded flicker effect.
7/25/2014 12:53:13 PM
angel25 says:
great news
7/25/2014 12:58:56 PM
commonsense says:
This was a case of "WRONG LOCATION if there ever was one......doesn't mean we can't proceed with other green energy projects.
The hydro-electric generating station at Kakabeka is an example of green energy.
I almost think that back when this deal was made, Council had no idea where it even was!
The Nor'Wester Mountain Range was recently 2014 Top Ten Endangered Places List by Heritage Canada The National Trust .

Why this area matters is described below, from website
"The ancient Nor’Wester Mountain Range rises dramatically above Lake Superior and extends southward from the city of Thunder Bay toward the Ontario-Minnesota border. It defines the city’s setting and skyline, and is immensely important to the Anishinabe community of the Fort William First Nation (FWFN). "

This spectacular range is one of the natural wonders of our area, preserve it
7/25/2014 1:04:22 PM
fan says:
To add to your objective, factual post, recent research, for those who wish to be informed, clearly identifies the many negative health affects of wind turbines installed over 20 years ago, Measurable, REAL facts indicate wind turbines can create more problems than they solve.
7/25/2014 3:12:56 PM
Enquirer says:
Would you mind posting links to these peer reviewed research articles?

I was genuinely unaware the public health community took a 180 on this issue and now claims wind turbines produce >many< negative health affects (sic).
7/25/2014 10:44:29 PM
Dan Wrightman says:
There is a large volume of peer reviewed evidence that suggests there are health issues.
The following is a peer reviewed article that was published in the British Medical Journal: Editorial "Wind Turbine Noise" by Christopher D Hanning and Alun Evans
Below are 20 more peer reviewed articles regarding adverse health effects and industrial wind turbines:
1)"The Problems With 'Noise Numbers for Wind Farm Noise Assessment" Bob Thorne
2)"Evaluating the impact of wind turbine noise on health related quality of life" by Daniel Shepherd, David McBride, David Welch, Kim N. Dirks, Erin M. Hill
3)"Mitigating the Acoustic Impacts of Modern Technologies: Acoustic, Health, and Psychosocial Factors Informing Wind Farm Placement" Daniel Shepherd and Rex Billington
4)"Public Health Ethics, Legitimacy, and the Challenges of Industrial Wind Turbines: The Case of Ontario, Canada" Martin Shain
5)"Infrasound From Wind Turbines Could Affect Humans" Alec N. Salt and James A.Kaltenbach Infrasound
6)"Responses of the ear to low frequency sounds, infrasound and wind turbines". Alec N. Salt and T.E. Hullar. Department of Otolaryngology, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO, 63110, USA.
7)"Occupational Health and Industrial Wind Turbines: A Case Study" Robert W. Rand, Stephen E. Ambrose, and Carmen M. E. Krogh
8)"Properly Interpreting the Epidemiologic Evidence About the Health Effects of Industrial Wind Turbines on Nearby Residents" Carl V. Phillips
9)"Toward a Case Definition of Adverse Health Effects in the Environs of Industrial Wind Turbines: Facilitating a Clinical Diagnosis" Robert Y. McMurtry
10)"Low-frequency noise from large wind turbines" Henrik Møller and Christian Sejer Pedersen Section of Acoustics, Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajers Vej
11)"WindVOiCe, a Self-Reporting Survey: Adverse Health Effects, Industrial Wind Turbines, and the Need for Vigilance Monitoring" Carmen M.E. Krogh, Lorrie Gillis, Nicholas Kouwen, and Jeffery Aramini
12)"Industrial Wind Turbine Development and Loss of Social Justice?" Carmen M.E. Krogh
13)"Wind Turbines Make Waves: Why Some Residents Near Wind Turbines Become Ill" Magda Havas and David Colling
14)"Literature Reviews on Wind Turbines and Health : Are They Enough?"Brett Horner, Roy D. Jeffery and Carmen M. E. Krogh,
15)'Wind Turbine Noise" John P. Harrison
16)"The Noise from Wind Turbines: Potential Adverse Impacts on Children's Well-Being" Arline L. Bronzaft
17)"WIND TURBINE NOISE,SLEEP AND HEALTH Response to:The Northumberland County Council CoreIssues and Options Report Consultations" Dr Christopher Hanning
18)"Effects of industrial wind turbine noise on sleep and health" Michael A. Nissenbaum, Jeffery J. Aramini1, Christopher D. Hanning
19)"Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines" Carmen Krough, Roy Jeffery, Brett Horner
20)"Wind Turbines: A Different Breed of Noise?" Nate Seltenrich
7/26/2014 7:14:16 PM
dynamiter says:
Is anything on this list scientific or just anti-wind propaganda. CURSORY inspection believe the latter which is typical of the anti establishment movement
7/27/2014 12:41:51 AM
Eastender says:
Did you not read the first two sentences of the previous post. These are peer reviewed articles. This would imply that they are scientific articles. Particularly the Btitish Medical Journal, an especially esteemed publication, which is highly respected. These people are the establishment.
Some time it is wise to reject a suspicious technology and do without the percieved benefits, than to blindly adopt it only to find out later that the harm it does outweighs its benefits. It is wiser to put the onus on the technology to prove it is safe before it is adopted, than to put the onus on the victims who have been harmed by that technology, to prove that the technology has done the harm.
7/27/2014 10:11:01 PM
thepoorman says:
Links, please. I would like to see your sources.
7/26/2014 12:07:40 PM
fastball says:
I've just returned from England - where there are literally THOUSANDS of turbines all over the countryside and along the coast for decades....and I've yet to hear the news reports of the horrific health toll for which they're apparently responsible.
As I previously stated - it seemed like a royal cluster from the get-go here, and could have been handled better. But let's call a spade a spade, shall we? The main pressure was the NIMBY crowd, concerned about their country homes losing resale value. All the other stuff about migratory birds, deforestation and long-term health impacts...that was mostly filler. Let's be real here.
I really don't have an dog in this fight, and couldn't care less one way or the other...so I will just say congratulations to the NIMBY's - you got what you wanted.
But God help you if you people whine one time about about the price of electricity or rolling brownouts in the next decade or so!
7/26/2014 4:55:03 PM
Tannoy says:
Perfect now all the whiners can shift their focus to opposing the event centre.
7/25/2014 1:05:12 PM
captain says:
why is the cancellation of a project that was bad for Thunder Bay, bad for Thunder Bay. This contract had no real financial benefits. The long term financial impact to our city to remove the turbines would have been far greater than any lease agreement we had with Horizon. Thunder Bay was not going to earn money on this deal, just Horizon and our city council signed this ridiculous contract with no consultation with Thunder Bay Hydro who would have had to spend millions in infrastructure to bring the power to the grid.

Feel free to check out that information. this is fantastic news. If the article is right and it was the OPA who did it. Great. If Mr. Mauro is part of this then he has my vote forever.

This was a disaster from the first moment the contract was signed and I can imagine City Council is doing a jig right now after they make sure they cannot be sued.

Happy Days are here again should be our new theme song.
7/25/2014 1:11:57 PM
yellowsnow says:
Next to go is that Trampoline Park and those meddling kids!!!!
7/25/2014 1:13:10 PM
Curious says:
Do't worry Yellowsnow, the trampoline park is putting itself out of business! $14. per hour per kid, $3. per kid to purchase their "special" socks, and you can't bring in a bottle of water for the thirsty kids - you have to buy theirs at $2.50 per bottle per kid. So when we brought our 5 grandchildren, we ended up walking out. We don't have $100.00 for 1 hour of bouncing. Then there is the water when they are thirsty. So, we went elsewhere. Besides, only a parent can come and register the kids, grandparents aren't allowed to. They don't tell you that until after you have lined up for 15 min. to register on their computer. Once you go through the entire form - at the end of the long registration process after standing in line for what seemed like forever - we couldn't complete the registration. Lots of angry and upset families the day we were there.
7/26/2014 8:23:56 AM
unheard says:
I like the price point keeps from people like yourself dragging in more kids then you can supervise it is not a drop in centre nor a daycare
7/27/2014 1:11:29 PM
kuha says:
why not just start the idle turbines at all of the existing hydro dams that are in northwestern ontario.
7/25/2014 1:18:14 PM
nvjgu says:
Small potatoes here, go west of Barrie Ont and for hundreds of Km's there's literally thousands and thousands of them in farmers field's beside homes, barns, 10 feet off the hwy. there everywhere. What a sight.
7/25/2014 1:19:06 PM
jonthunder says:
City Administration and Council should now do the honourable thing and admit they did the wrong thing embracing and supporting this project.
7/25/2014 1:25:02 PM
ANVIL OF CROM says:
why would they do that? Why admit that they signed a bad contract under bad advice , advice that stunk of total incompetance,a total screw up/ Why admit guilt when someon else rips that contract up for you, in this case the OPA.
The city and the people that made this deal may have just gotten off this sharp barbed hook without a scratch!
But now we will never know who and why the city did what it did.

This is he best news we have had in Tbay for a few years! We have ample hydroelectricity in this area, thats why they wanted to shut down the thermal plant.
We dont need to be paying 5 times the cost for energy when the stuff we get is cheap and as green as its comes.
People that dont understand this really have no clue what the real issues are.
7/25/2014 2:00:39 PM
what'sup says:
Wind turbines are showing that they are not all that they are cut out to be. The hidden costs are what people do not see and if you learn about the project people would have their eyes opened. I am happy that this project is not going to happen on the Norwesters. There are many other locations that would be fine but not in this location.
7/25/2014 1:27:40 PM
TerryK says:
We have zero need for these turbines anyway. OPG is bleeding off much of the power it produces on the Nipigon alone. The only reason these new projects are proposed is to create jobs, short term jobs btw. Thank you Green Energy Act. Should be renamed the Bogus Energy Act.
7/25/2014 1:53:23 PM
dynamiter says:
Hopefully all of these nice people who have been fundraising and protesting and spending money advertising - will channel their energy into doing something productive like putting time, effort and money into things such as St Joseph's hospice, TB Regional Cancer care, Shelterhouse etc etc. and not just sit back and have a big party at the Neebing Roadhouse.
7/25/2014 1:57:09 PM
mercy mercy me says:
whether the project was beneficial or not, the lack transparency on horizon's and city council's part, the threats of litigation and the posturing makes this good news....it is childish of me to feel good about horizon getting their hands slapped, but they needed an attitude adjustment
7/25/2014 1:59:51 PM
Bob Roberts says:
Probably was a good idea, bad location. How about nice big turbines all along the Thunder Bay Water Front. Put lots of blinking lights on them, call them "art". Should be some more Legal fallout against the City of Thunder Bay trying to recover cost and expenses. Maybe its time to install Solar Panels all over the place and take advantage of all the Tbay SunShine. Better yet lets install solar collectors along the roadways that are in desperate need of repair. Tbay could be the First to roll this out.
7/25/2014 2:08:34 PM
barry medawin says:
now if the geniusses at city hall could just cancel that crazy event center thing as well, we would be moving in the right direction. lets fix the bridge since that actually get's used!!
7/25/2014 2:25:21 PM
eventscentre says:
The Events Centre is already a go. Everyone knows that. That useless bridge should never get fixed, at least not with taxpayers' money. There is an alternate route you can take, so use it. There are very useful bridges in town that need fixing so let's spend the moolah on that...no some old dangerous bridge that is past its useful life
7/25/2014 5:47:13 PM
udecide says:
A " NATURAL WONDER " maybe for people that have NEVER been out of Thunder Bay. LOL We are a welfare city and always will be.
7/25/2014 2:31:09 PM
progress now says:
Commonsense in right.

The Norwesters are a natural wonder in our area. They would be a natural wonder in any region. They are far more breathtaking than the Sleeping Giant. The sleeping Giant is pretty as a backdrop for sailboats etc.

THE NORWESTERS ARE MAJESTIC.

I won't comment on second part of your contribution.
7/25/2014 8:24:27 PM
glock9 says:
So what is the general population against green technologies too, real great example for the future of this city.
7/25/2014 2:51:17 PM
tiredofit says:
On another note, I think Horizon should be held accountable for the damage they've already done to the land. The Province has already stated they've done it without the proper permits.

Are they going to replant as promised? Clean up as promised? Doubt it.
7/25/2014 3:05:31 PM
eventscentre says:
Next we have to stop all the noise at ski resorts, which ruin the landscape and displace moose and owls
7/25/2014 3:43:15 PM
jb says:
So... are you for or against them? It sounds like the hidden problems aren't really a problem if they're not within your view.
7/25/2014 3:43:18 PM
get_the_chip_off_your_shoulder says:
Just for the record, I am not NIMBY minded as I support and say go for it on pretty much everything that has been proposed for the city whether it happened or not in the end. But i was on the fence for a while about the wind turbines due to the location. I was also upset that they had time to do some minor destruction to some of the maple trees and landscape in the starting stages of looking into the locations and such. What is done is done but I was happy to hear this news and hopefully this is the very end of this project and horizon is now on the horizon drifting away with the wind. This project to me seemed wrong as for it's location was too involved with a beautiful setting and view that would be forever changed. With so many more areas they could locate it in, it made no sense to touch some beautiful landscape with mountains as the final decision> Also I have now learned alot more about the green energy and convinced it is all a scam and most will find out years from now.
7/25/2014 3:43:30 PM
outofgas says:
there will be big party at the Neeb under the emi TBaytel tower.
7/25/2014 4:14:48 PM
humnchuck says:
...where Ward Bond and the gang will celebrate preserving the environment by riding their quads like on the news last year? :)
7/25/2014 4:53:17 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Now watch how fast the "For Sale" signs appear on the lawns of these NIMBY's .
7/25/2014 4:49:55 PM
S Duncan says:
If OPA cancelled the project because Horizon didn't come through..

the city will be sued LARGE for the delay of the project and the subsequent cancellation of it.

As far as I see it, this is a very, very bad thing for residents who will be stuck paying for the costs of this.

Id still love to know who from the city signed these agreements. Why is that such a secret?
7/25/2014 4:52:56 PM
Tumppi says:
So much for progress! While we're at it, why don't we demand the removal of all solar panels in the city too! *I mean those grids are a real eyesore also!* (Sarcasm by the way). That's all I've got to say!
Tbnewswatch.com

7/25/2014 5:12:14 PM
JoeBush says:
The green energy initiative in Ontario is a scam. One only has to look into the cost ineffectiveness of wind turbines vs. hydro electric, nuclear and coal. Every source of power comes with a price. Hydro project disturb vast tracts of land for reservoirs and alters rivers. Nuclear has the waste issue, coal has emissions issues. However, each of the three base power sources mentioned produce electricity far more efficiently and have by far, much longer lifespans than wind turbines. Wind turbines only work only if there's wind and most wind installations need a gas power plant to back them up. AND.....let's not forget the exorbitant cost associated with wind energy. Does a 41% increase in electricity costs over the next four years sound good to you? That's a hefty price for green energy. What's ironic is that when one looks deeply into so called "green energy", one will see that it's not all that green.
7/25/2014 5:36:05 PM
SomeGuy says:
If you look at what we pay for electricity compared to the rest of the industrialized world it's very cheap. Germany pays 36.25 cents/kWh, Japan 26 cents/kWh wile Ontario pays 13.5 cents/kWh. This notion that we can continue to burn things to generate power can only last so long.

Green energy may be expensive but at a certain point the economy of scale will come into affect. Also as the technology matures more prices will drop.

While I do agree it was a shady deal alternative energy should be and must be pursued.
7/25/2014 8:39:24 PM
j_northey says:
It hardly is due to wind power that electricity prices have jumped and will continue to. The biggest factor is the billions blown on nuclear ($10+ billion to make Darlington last a few more years) and the tens of billions more planned to be blown on more nuclear ($15-20 billion planned for a new plant). Every single nuclear project in Ontario has gone over budget and taken longer than planned. On average they go 2 1/2 times over budget. The claim about how cheap it is is purely based on the cost after you factor out the building of the plant, decommissioning of the plant, and storage of waste for thousands of years. Do the same for wind or solar and the cost goes down to near $0.
7/25/2014 9:44:08 PM
signman says:
The Concerned Taxpayers of Thunder Bay would like to congratulate the Nor'Wester Mountain Escarpment Protection Committee and the FWFN for their perseverance and the great news today.

This just goes to show THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE!

7/25/2014 5:59:07 PM
dynamiter says:
This comment Ray is why you will never succeed in your endeavour to get a plebiscite on the Event Center. You keep stepping in it - you are worse than Hank W. Stick to what you know rather than chiming in on something that you know little about or is very divisive. Also recognize that this decision isnt the end of it and there will be undoubtedly a lawsuit with the city at the minimum paying a bunch of legal fees and maybe a big settlement which will cost you and those taxpayers you are so fervently defending, a big bunch of money.
7/25/2014 6:46:45 PM
tsb says:
Thank god they gotr rid of the hydro fans it is windy enough as it is we dont need to be blown more thank you
7/25/2014 6:15:11 PM
Ed itw says:
Now if we could just get rid of those environmental disaster ski hills that have destroyed the side of the mountains.
7/25/2014 6:16:26 PM
Decide says:
Lots of selectively concerned people here.

1. The ski hill was built in a time where people were less aware of the impact they have-poor comparison. Drop it already.

2.The turbines aren't a health issue, don't look bad to the eye, will not impact property value. Fine. Build them at the new waterfront, I'm sure no one would object, and their look would fit in nice with all the concrete. Win win for all.

3.The people of Thunder Bay resist "green" energy, what else can you expect from all the red necks here. Well, those same people complaining about that no doubt trash the new bridge idea "it only take an extra 5 minutes blah blah..."
Okay, add of all the fuel required by all those vehicles every day to take that extra 5 minutes, and what does that equal in emissions? TONS. Green is good only if it fits "your" agenda.
Hypocrisy at it's finest is what is displayed here daily.
Good hard work paid off, the turbine issue is finally dead. Hats off to those that fought the fight.
7/26/2014 9:10:29 AM
Hermannelson says:
I've been disgusted in this since the start. The only reason these people are against the turbines is not because of the animals and environment They couldn't give a damn about that. Their only concern is that the value of their homes Might drop. THAT is the ONLY reason. Well you have done it folks you have put Thunder Bay back into the dark ages. Get with the times see how far ahead European countries are. All I have to say to the save the Norwesters group. You're a bunch if very very selfish people. Shame on you all.
7/25/2014 6:50:58 PM
Mazda says:
Way to go keeping thunder bsy in the stone age
7/25/2014 8:12:28 PM
caesarjbasquitti says:
Why ?

Why would this city scrap THE SPRING FED LAKE, GRAVITY FED WATER SOURCE....(almost no hydro costs, or pumping costs...) and then on the other hand suggest we build some hydro mills on the same mountain, to create hydro..... totally disrespecting the natural appeal for the area...?

Both concepts did not make much common sense and were selling out to the highest contractor... ?
7/25/2014 10:05:01 PM
Rob20 says:
I know people generally do not like the visuals look for things such as this, and yes there is a major initial cost to investigate it, but this country and the world has to realize we can't keep burning fossil fuels forever. Sometimes you have to have a give-and-take, especially if you want to live and not have the polar completely melt and submerge the majority of the low lands
7/26/2014 7:57:32 AM
jhsbassman says:
Congrats to everyone who opposed this project! It's too late for us folks living along the east side of Lake Huron, looking at hundreds of these monstrosities and hearing horrible stories of health issues and lamenting our hydro bills every month.
7/26/2014 8:03:59 AM
Hermannelson says:
So we remain in the dark ages. No progress no alternative ways for energy lets just stay happy in our little cocoon. This group of people against the turbines had only one agenda. It's not concern about the wildlife or environment it's that property and home value MIGHT drop. Very selfish residents.
7/26/2014 9:44:28 AM
fairlane says:
Hermannelson, do you have any clue what this decision is about? We have progressed with wind energy in the area. Have a look at Shuniah. By the way, we don't need the power here. It was all planned to be shipped south. So why here? Because southern Ontario didn't want it in their back yard. Kind of ironic, isn't it.

As for the residents, if I lived in that area you'd bet I'd be fighting for my property value. Wouldn't you? Easy to say when it doesn't affect you. It's not selfish at all. It's also about protecting your investment. You obviously don't care about them, so why should they care about you and your feelings over this.

As for the dark ages....take a look around, we've already dropped the coal fired plant for biomass. We ARE moving forward in this area. Too many people here are living in their cocoon, instead of doing a little local research.
7/26/2014 1:33:29 PM
fairlane says:
It's interesting that all these arm chair supporters who called us whiners over the past five years are now the biggest whiners on this thread acting like school kids with their cheap shots.

..and these complaints are as if it was the "Nimbys" as you call them were responsible for this decision. The province never listened to them and neither did the OPA. The OPA did this based on their own facts. So if you supporters who thought this was a done deal and are ticked off because you didn't get your way, take it up with OPA, not the innocent residents.

But like anything, it's easier to dump on parties who are accessible. Oh how the tides have turned.
7/26/2014 1:18:58 PM
JoeBush says:
I can't help but be amused by the contributors who make elec. cost comparisons between Canada and European countries. It's not a fair nor reasonable comparison. Canada is a huge country with enormous resources including vast opportunities for hydro-electric projects. As it is, at this moment, we have surplus power not being generated by hydro/nuclear/coal plants because the Province wants to be seen as "going green" and using wind generated electricity instead. The downside of this is that we pay close to three times as much for electricity simply for window dressing reasons. Countries like the Netherlands and Denmark rely more on wind simply because they don't have the same alternatives that we do in Canada and in particular, hydro rich Ontario. Do a search on the Lower Mattagami River project to learn a bit about the enormous hydro opportunity there. Where's that power going to go? Wind power is a huge scam set up to line the pockets of a few swindlers in Southern Ontario!
7/26/2014 2:10:38 PM
Stephen says:
It's interesting to note that all these environmentalists didn't say a word when the dirty coal plant burned for some twenty-odd years.
Oh,well. These are people who think hills are mountains.
Enjoy your cancer.
7/26/2014 4:56:32 PM
Shane Caker says:
I like the wind turbines in Dorion. Have you ever seen them? Neither have I.
7/27/2014 12:30:26 AM
tiredofit says:
So do we. 15km from the nearest home, built in the middle of nowhere. Still a huge scam which is costing Ontarians hundreds of millions which we can't afford.
7/27/2014 4:07:21 PM
Jim Halpert says:
It was reported a couple of years ago that there was an exodus of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals from south neebing due to the wind farm plans. It was also reported that property values were taking a hit of 43% out in south neebing. Now that this wind farm seems to be a non-issue, have the property values gone up or returned to normal? Have the doctors and other professionals moved back or plan to move back?
7/27/2014 5:42:47 PM
tiredofit says:
I can verify that this is truthful. I personally know 3 doctors that left the area (moved out of town) due to the planned wind farm. On Broad Oaks place along 6 of 14 houses have sold in the last year, most were primarily concerned about their property values dropping (which as been proven in Southern Ontario, I had posted the study months ago).

None of them will move back, what's done is done. It's still not a 100% cancelled either, they (Horizon) still have a despite option available to them. However, my understanding is there is also a "force majeure stipulation" in the City Lease Agreement, however the city won't confirm or deny it.

What's done is done, it was never about the technology for most, it was all about the location. The reality is, this is no place for an Industrial Wind Complex. If they are so wonderful, then put them at the Waterfront, however I don't think it would go over to well.

If we must build them, do it like the Dorion project, in the middle of nowhere!
7/28/2014 9:46:37 AM
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