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2014-07-28 at 16:33

Protocol breached?

Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino said union members are growing frustrated.
Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino said union members are growing frustrated.
By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- Bombardier officials say they’re disappointed the union breached a strike protocol agreement reached just last week.

On Monday, the company’s head of operations for the Americas Aaron Rivers had to wait more than an hour to enter the site, said company spokeswoman Stephanie Ash. That violates the 25-minute maximum wait time ordered by the court last Wednesday.

“These wait times are completely unacceptable and go against everything that was agreed to in the strike protocol agreement that was, again, ordered by the court,” she said.

Bombardier is working with their legal team, city police and the union to make sure the protocol is adhered to and Ash said the premise of the protocol was to ensure the safety of all parties and that the local plant could be accessed in a timely manner.

A supplier was also denied access to the site Monday, which is also contrary to the strike protocol, said Ash, adding the company is disappointed that members of the bargaining committee involved in forming the protocol were at the site when this was happening.

“Not very impressed at all by the lack of leadership today,” she said.

“We will be seeking alternative remedies as we move forward this week.”

What the next steps are for the company are not clear yet, but Ash said they hope to work something out with Unifor.

“Our focus has always been to try to work collaboratively wherever possible with Unifor, again hoping we can convince them of the need to abide by these strike protocol agreements so we don’t have to end back up at court,” she said.

Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino said the pickets were upset that Rivers isn’t talking to the bargaining committee and trying to resolve the strike.

“Our guys are getting frustrated,” he said.

The supply truck trying to access the site Monday was to bring in parts for the assembly production line and Pasqualino said the union is upset about that.

“I think that really they should be at the bargaining table and dealing with resolving the issues rather than trying to bypass the bargaining and trying to build the cars on their own,” he said.

Thunder Bay Police Service had officers on scene at the time Rivers and the supply truck were attempting to access the plant. Executive officer Chris Adams said an investigation is ongoing onto whether the court-ordered protocol was breached.

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udecide says:
SAFWAY........enough said. Shut er.down
7/30/2014 8:51:29 AM
orca says:
One thing I ask for union members is to study the difference between Defined Benefits and Defined Contributions.
7/29/2014 5:05:34 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
orca I just did ,it is well worth the fight. We have a good pension plan why would we settle for less. Even if the company would match your pension contribution I'm sure their would be a cap. Now if the company was to put in 2 times your contribution it might be worth another look, but that is for negotiations, something Mr. Rivers is not willing to do. I do fear this will be a long strike. But again these comments are way off topic from the strike protocol being breached.
7/30/2014 5:12:37 PM
Joe-King says:
The unions prey on the workers lack of understanding when trying to convince them to vote either way. The average person doesnt know what the rules are or the union process, some do but unfortunately the majority that it takes to vote in a union or strike dont and those are the ones that the unions target. I suggest you get informed about your rights as workers and the union process so we can avoid another"Bombardier situation" in the future
7/29/2014 1:21:15 PM
Millworker says:
People seem to think the union is the problem. But where would we be with out the union ( the workers)if they didn't fight for what they believe in. That seems to be the Canadian way now take what you get shut up and deal with it. People forget what workers faught for in the past. Don't ever forget!!!!
7/29/2014 12:35:29 PM
smartguy83 says:
You can fight for what you believe in but unfortunately you are only worried about yourselves. The company and the general public do not necessarily believe in that same values the union does. Therein lied the problem.

The company signs your cheques. Either be willing to accept sacrifices or stay on strike until the company feels they have recouped any expected cost savings by strike savings. Only then will they possibly give in to the union.
7/29/2014 2:19:24 PM
sg says:
only worried about yourselves? That's funny. Pretty sure safety, vacations, pay and lots of other things were fought for by unions - and still are. You think companies offered that stuff of their own free will? No. Non-unionized folks reap the benefits too.
7/30/2014 11:12:02 AM
hounddog says:
It's easy to stand on your soapbox when a situation like this doesn't directly affect you or your family or friends. What you neglect to take into consideration is that no one every really wants to be on strike - not receiving a pay cheque. No one chooses to have this undue stress and anxiety put on them by this process. Unions have their place - without them there would be far less good paying jobs in this community. I wish both parties well in that they can reach a mutual agreement soon so all the parties involved/affected can get back to work and back on track.
7/29/2014 10:49:44 AM
Joe-King says:
This is what I dont understand, the workers can sign and be back working tomorrow and they are complaining about being "unemployed" How does this make sense?? They are acting like children and embarrassing themselves within the community. I am sure Mr P has NO trouble sleeping at nights.
7/29/2014 10:37:42 AM
albertallan says:

smartguy83 says:

You do realize you can sign and go back tomorrow right?

??? Really???
How so?

7/29/2014 10:15:37 AM
smartguy83 says:
You sign an agreement? Don't tell me you can't because the company won't negotiate because that is not true. You had an offer. Sign it, go back to work. I have had my benefits and wage changed before and I sucked it up and worked my butt off to excel my career.
7/29/2014 2:16:41 PM
I'm Pissed Off says:
Our guys are getting frustrated!! Really that's all you've got? Guess what the rest of us are frustrated also. Grow up and stop throwing temper tantrums. Did you really think the company was going to halt all production because you all are on strike? Guess what business must go on and that means with or without you. Adhere to the old adage you made your bed now lie in it. As far as Aaron Rivers, yes he may be the Americas Head of Operations but he is also currently overseeing the operations in Thunder Bay. So does he have to come into the plant? Yes. Does he have every right to enter the plant? Yes. Just as the union has every right to picket. However when there is a court order in place that both the company and the union have agreed upon both sides have to adhere to that said order. If you haven’t seen the court order, guess what it’s available for everyone to view as it is public record.
7/29/2014 9:59:55 AM
udecide says:
Rivers made all you BULLIES look like knuckleheads LOL. Get ready to join the ranks of the unemployed. Shut that place down and move it elsewhere, where hard working people are crying for jobs.
7/29/2014 9:59:51 AM
bttnk says:
Bombardier has made their best and final offer Unifor. Either you accept it and get back to work or you deal with the consequences. Breaking a court order gets you no sympathy from the public. It does the opposite.
7/29/2014 9:56:01 AM
Bob Roberts says:
Union is doing a major dis-service to its members. Should have been avoiding a strike at all cost. The issues regarding pension for new workers is not worth striking over, this is how it is going to be everywhere. I doubt workers will ever recover Lost wages from the strike, so in the end nothing but losers all around. At least your Union dues are a tax deduction, since your getting little value. Unifor is not your saviour, times have changed.
7/29/2014 9:07:06 AM
tiredofit says:
The reality is, the Unifor members have already lost several weeks wages which will now take them several years to recoup. (if ever) Management is doing what they are supposed to do, keep the plant running as best as possible.

Sadly, no one will be a winner in this fight, the tension between management, non-management staff that are still on the line will take years to recover with Unifor.

All while the Union heads are still raking in their 6 figure salaries... they are the only true winners here folks.

Sure, it may be about principle... but no one is going to win no matter what. Go back to work, let the healing begin and work on negotiating a settlement. If that fails.. Ol'a Amigo... start learning Spanish.
7/29/2014 7:53:11 AM
Joesmo says:
Well there goes any support I had for you guys. If they close their plant and move it will look good on you all as now you have it coming.
That would be a good location for a wWalmart.
7/29/2014 6:37:08 AM
tsb says:
Can't wait until all these well paying jobs are gone and we don't have to deal with unions anymore! Let's convert Bombardier into another Walmart, it's got lots of space for parking!!!!
7/28/2014 10:28:04 PM
educator says:
Bombardier management needs to grow a set and start fighting their own battles.

Hiring a local talking head with zero knowledge of the company, and the on-going negotiations is a cop out.

Stay strong brothers and sisters this blue collar community has your back.
7/28/2014 9:35:32 PM
tbay87 says:
It definitely seems odd, usually companies want a spokesperson who works for the company. Granted, spokespeople rarely give any useful information anyways, but I'm not really sure what Bombardier is trying to do here (unless they just have a shortage of their own spokespeople).
7/28/2014 10:44:30 PM
Big Al the Peoples Pal says:
Well seeing that the Union didn't agree to 25 minutes max delay, and the court ordered it, one just has to know the picketers are going to break that rule.
So now can the union be charged?
Lets just hope like progress said they can sit down and bargain and get this done.
7/28/2014 8:32:35 PM
tbay87 says:
I thought both sides had negotiated the agreement and the court simply accepted it?
7/28/2014 10:42:14 PM
smartguy83 says:
The union agreed to it when they settled in court. Blame the union leader.
7/28/2014 10:43:43 PM
albertallan says:
I don't get it.
Every time Aaron Rivers baits the workers on the picket line we fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
He's making us all look like unreasonable hotheads. This will NOT help us in the public view!
When you see him, treat him like he's infinitely unimportant. The more we do this, the more he will become so.

7/28/2014 7:38:15 PM
smartguy83 says:
Not sure he is just "baiting" but I agree with your point. Just act humane and a deal will come sooner rather than later.
7/28/2014 10:43:01 PM
signman says:
Aaron Rivers should get back to the bargaining table rather than playing hard ball with Bombardier's real workers. Both sides need to be talking everyday until they can hammer out an agreement. And for local politicians that are hanging around for photo opps please stop. I believe the local union has thing well in hand.
7/28/2014 6:51:48 PM
lvm123 says:
This company is something else. Who cares about protocols? Settle this already - every day we're out of work enrages us more and when we finally do get back not only will they be that much further behind but will have a work force that feels even more expendable than before.
Where's management support in all this - we get that they are not union and they have to tow the line but if the people who build the cars are this inconsequential, maybe the supervisors should ask themselves where they stand.
This whole situation is sickening.
7/28/2014 6:23:14 PM
smartguy83 says:
You do realize you can sign and go back tomorrow right?
7/28/2014 10:41:23 PM
loring says:
head of operations for the Americas Aaron Rivers has nothing better to do than try to entice a confrontation? is thunder bay the only plant in the americas lol your a somebody rivers???
7/28/2014 5:57:00 PM
SG says:
Rivers had every opportunity to go around the truck and the cops to enter the plant. He chose not to. I wonder why?

And well under an hour. Nice try though.
7/28/2014 5:52:11 PM
smartguy83 says:
Actually he has ever right to show up at the shop. Not enticing at all just doing his job. It's those that decided to perform inappropriately that are doing the enticing. Trying to make Rivers make a mistake and they FAILED.
7/28/2014 10:40:01 PM
sg says:
I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm saying they didn't stop him. It was the parts truck they stopped.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what happened just offering the truth.

I suppose you'd have to be there to see Rivers' behaviour each day to know how he's behaving.
7/29/2014 8:23:54 AM
smartguy83 says:
Fair enough. Just remember you aren't doing yourselves any favours by acting like children. I get that it is frustrating but being professional about it always makes you look like the better person, and usually helps you come out on top.
7/29/2014 2:12:34 PM
progress now says:
Historically, the city has always been there for that plant, and the plant has been an economic pillar of the city.

I don't think that it is inevitable that tempers have to flare - and it is to EVERYONE'S advantage that they don't.

The strike is already being felt in the community at so many levels - it really shows us how vulnerable this community is to uncertainty.

I hope negotiators on both sides can find the wisdom and goodwill required to put this strike behind us as quickly as possible.

7/28/2014 5:32:59 PM
Dockboy says:
You can't blame the union members, management is trying keep the assembly line going. The longer this strike keeps going, tempers will flare and protocol will be out the window.
7/28/2014 4:49:10 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
You serious! "Can't blame the union." THEY BROKE A COURT ORDER! I guess as long as the tempers are flaring that's ok. Remember that the next time somebody gets stabbed in the city. Ohhhh it's ok somebody was having a temper tantrum.
7/28/2014 5:52:31 PM
outside looking in says:
What did you expect the company to do during a strike. You should be angry with your Union Management when they drew a line in the sand for what they would and would not negotiate for. Negotiations are a two way street and have to be equible for both sides. Setting a date for a strike before you even started negotiations was a mistake as it just put your union in a corner with no place to go. Once a strike starts, it is a whole new set of rules and noone knows whether it will last one day, one week or one month or longer. Unfortunately, signing a stike protocol then ignoring it isn't the way to get a settlement.
7/28/2014 6:14:32 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
The union did exactly what the company wanted! Bombardier could never lock the doors or it would have penalties to pay! Parts were on back order, paperwork not to date and more. You blame the union when you should blame the company. They should of showed up for the "last meeting" maybe things would have been different. All fingers point at the company, they are truly to blame. Bombardier will do what they have to but time will tell for how long. Still 300 + jobs there that are on the line including Mr. Rivers.
7/29/2014 6:37:57 PM
tbay87 says:
That's their right though ... workers don't have to like it, but breaking the agreement isn't the answer.
7/28/2014 6:25:32 PM
moi says:
the fun's just beginning dockboy-check back in a couple/few weeks and ask the strikers if they still think walking off the job was worth it.
7/28/2014 6:39:54 PM
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