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2014-08-18 at 15:24

At a standstill

Unifor Local 1075 members remain on the picket line, five weeks after they walked off the job at the city
Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com
Unifor Local 1075 members remain on the picket line, five weeks after they walked off the job at the city's Bombardier plant. Both sides admit they aren't sure how to proceed after an offer from the company was immediately rejected over the weekend.
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By Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- For the first time in weeks Bombardier and Unifor Local 1075 seem to be on the same page.

Unfortunately, it’s that neither side knows how to proceed in their negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement.

This comes in the wake of a Saturday afternoon meeting where union representatives immediately rejected an offer put forward by the company’s negotiating team.

Bombardier spokeswoman Stephanie Ash said the latest offer was the most competitive one put forward thus far in the five-week long dispute and was disappointed it didn’t lead to any further discussion.

“They’re not willing to negotiate at all unless we take all concessions off the table,” she said Monday. “It’s only a negotiation if there is compromise on both sides. At this time it is only Bombardier transportation that is willing to compromise.”

The union has not shown any willingness to negotiate around any concessions, she added.

Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino admitted he doesn’t know where negotiations will go from this point. He said the union wants to return to work but they remain committed to getting the deal they have been seeking.

Otherwise the strike would be meaningless.

“Why would we be out on strike for all this time and then not get what we were out for?” he responded, adding that “99 per cent” of the members showed “disgust” with the offer.

“We said don’t bother calling us about another nickel (per hour) because we’re not interested in another nickel. What we are interested in is pension and benefits and if anybody doesn’t know that at this stage of the game they clearly aren’t paying attention.”

Pasqualino said the union has made it quite clear that their primary sticking point is around pension and benefits, something the latest offer did not change.

The nearly 900 workers have not been striking for a wage increase, but instead long-term stability, he said.

“We are not asking for more. They are the aggressors. They are taking things away. We’d like to have it where we were before May 31,” Pasqualino said.

Ash said the company will likely spend the next week exploring their options after the latest talks ended on such a sour note.

She said the switch to a defined contribution pension plan seems to be the major roadblock to reaching a deal but stressed the offers from the company would only apply the change to future hires, not workers currently on the payroll at the plant.

“It’s really a fight not worth fighting, we believe, for our current employees,” she said. “If someone chooses to come work at Bombardier next year or the year after that is there choice if they want to work for a company that offers a defined contribution plan.”

Meanwhile, the three completed Rocket subway cars that were sent out of the Montreal Street plant last week are on hold at a Bombardier facility in Downsview until the rest of the train can be sent.

Toronto Transit Commission spokesman Brad Ross said cars will not be brought into their yard until they have a full train. Any rumours of cars being rejected until the strike is resolved are untrue.

“This labour dispute between Bombardier and its workforce has nothing to do with the TTC,” Ross said.

“Bombardier is continuing to produce subway cars and is delivering them to us. We will accept them and commission them for operations.”

Once the second half of the train is sent the cars will undergo the final assembly and testing before being put into service. Ash anticipates those cars will be sent in September.

Tbnewswatch.com(60)

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damanisback says:
I work there and have seen "their most competitive offer yet" and it was worse than the first. think about it -taking $350 dollars and give away your retirement benefits. most prescriptions are more than that for a month or two.(concession) retirement points factor is 89 now. they offered 91 then 90 (concession)
caps on benefits like physio,chiro,orthotic ect.(concession)prescription fees,the list is too long to fit in here.
The last 600 workers hired the last five years was at a 10 year wage roll back.
(millions saved) I can only speak for myself but I'm ready to fight for as long as it takes to keep what we have.
Fix what's broken on your side before you claw back from your workforce.
Your being paid to manage and I'm sorry but your doing a horrible job. Your in an infant stage compared to when I started 17 years ago. Isn't it time they changed you out for the next ones-it's been 4-5 years?
8/18/2014 4:36:04 PM
HelenaHandbasket says:
Im sure the amount of money that you have lost in the last 5 weeks, and the money you will continue to lose while on strike is more that you will spend on prescriptions when you retire.
8/18/2014 5:18:41 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
Actually many of us have made more money being on strike than working. So I really don't see your point. We will fight to the end if need be, corporate greed will fall.
8/18/2014 6:01:36 PM
smartguy83 says:
And then both will fail in the long run when the company goes under. What happens with your pension then? What exactly are you fighting for?
8/18/2014 7:43:13 PM
HelenaHandbasket says:
If you are going to post comments, at least make them truthful.
8/18/2014 9:26:24 PM
former says:
So it's okay for you to be on strike and work other jobs but the company cannot hire replacement workers. Something is not fair.
8/18/2014 11:58:39 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
As a retired union worker of 41 years I applaud you all for standing up for fair wages and benefits for my Grandkids and Future workers of these Companies. Thunder Bay is also a community of people retired or working in the Industrial, Mechanical, Construction, Medical, Security(Police), Teaching(Education) and fire fighter's who are unionized, and I'm sure there's many more...We all support you. Don't give in to the negative comments and company concessions. To all you Businesses, these union workers are your patron's, so go show a little support.
8/19/2014 11:39:26 AM
pitbull4074 says:
If people knew how much money they waste day after day in that place outsider comments wouldn't be so negative but they don't...nor do we care...we pee ons are always the greedy bad guys and that's how it will always be...ask all the new hirees how they like the fact it takes 3yrs before they make full wage, something we had to swallow last negotiations which caused problems for both workers and the company but saved them millions...now they keep wanting to take more and more....greed, greed, greed...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...it's a sad sad world, but apparently we should be thankful to have a job so we should just accept the concessions....NOT! Shove your pathetic offer!
8/18/2014 5:51:07 PM
smartguy83 says:
Think that all you want. The company wants to be sustainable. Without the union (you) conceding that won't happen. Good luck finding work then with a pension as good as they are offering you.
8/18/2014 7:45:06 PM
memorex says:
HHbasket, apparently you have totally missed the point. If you give, give and give again, eventually there will be nothing left. Do you get it???
8/18/2014 5:58:18 PM
Smartguy83 says:
Caps on physio, chiro, etc? Sounds like other jobs does it not? This union is losing it's support in the community. Unions want what they want and cry when they don't get it. The company has the same right to fight to preserve the future or no one will have a job. More that fair.
8/18/2014 6:06:01 PM
thook says:
What ash seems to conveniently forget, or maybe her handlers have not told her, as she does not sit at the table or even work in the building is that the union made a counter proposal to the company before the companies latest offer. The company however chose not to even acknowledged that offer from the union, and in turn give the latest offer. The company is not negotiating a collective agreement right now. They are dictating their terms and not taking anytime to discuss the unions issues. I know ash is a professional media relations person, but she really needs to educate her self on the facts. And for heavens sakes miss ash, stop saying WE
8/18/2014 6:07:38 PM
smartguy83 says:
And how exactly is the union operating any differently?
8/18/2014 8:51:27 PM
notorious says:
Ms. Ash is merely a vehicle for the company's voice. She is hired by the company to speak for the company, not the union. This would be like yelling at the actual TV if you did not agree with what the program's message was.
8/19/2014 4:41:01 PM
Tbayworker says:
Dear Helanahandbasket. Unless you are on medication, which I hope you are not, you have no idea what the cost could add up to. I know personally some people that work there that do not have the option of getting generic prescriptions. There are some people that get an injection once a month for Arthritus that comes with a price of $1800.00 per month. Under the proposed plan these people would have to pay $360.00 a month out of pocket! I don't know about you but that is a lot of money for a lot of people! It adds up to $4320.00 out of pocket!
8/18/2014 6:09:33 PM
DaisyNuke says:
Actually, there is a government program that pays prescription drug expenses for people in that situation. It works in addition to your regular insurance benefits. I highly doubt anyone would have to pay that much.
8/19/2014 9:57:03 AM
tsx says:
the company wants to go to a defined contribution plan where they contribute 3% and the employee contributes 3% for new employees. So lets say an employee makes $60,000 a year, so a total of $3600 goes into a defined contribution plan account for him. After 20 years the employee has a whopping $72,000 plus interest to retire on. Wow have fun retiring with that!!
8/18/2014 6:22:09 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
Wait a minute the company wants to force you to retire at 67 so your closer to death or sick with some sort of illness caused from working there. We will have no benefits so we will have to pay extra for some blue cross or some other health insurance for the rest of our lives. Guess they hope we die in 3-4 years after we retire. NO DEAL GREEDY COMPANY!!!
8/18/2014 7:46:15 PM
smartguy83 says:
If you are making $60,000 a year and not saving beyond the pension plan then you need to see an advisor ASAP. There are a lot of good people in this city that can help.

You do realize that more people than not don't even get the 3% from their employer, right? You do realize that the employee is getting free money just for being part in the pension plan right?

You also realize that if that fund grew at 5% per year (S&P 500 average from 1992-2011 was almost 8%) you'd have around $120K in the retirement plan. Extra 50K in interest not too bad...

Standard annual savings goals are around 20% of your income to prepare for retirement lifestyle. A pension plan is to help you retire, not fund your retirement.
8/18/2014 7:58:46 PM
dynamiter says:
Actually - you would have $133,589 at 5% compound interest if you invested $300 per month. I would think that if you started working at 25 - you wouldnt retire at 45. If you worked until 60 - you would have $362,000 and probably more as 5% is ultra conservative. And you probably should be investing more onto your own into RRSP, or TSFA's or just adding into the dc account.
8/18/2014 8:53:02 PM
bttnk says:
TSX - Your theory here is so wrong in so many ways that it makes me sick. But lucky for you, I am here to help you understand the way pensions work. Obviously your union has failed in that regard.

A worker making $60,000 with that contribution rate, would have at a minimum approximately $177,000 after 20 years. I say at a minimum because that doesn't factor in any wage increases over a 20 year period. What you have left out is any investment yield, which conservatively, I have used 8%.

In actual fact, this worker would likely have over $200,000 in pension savings for retirement. Does this help you?

8/20/2014 9:08:32 AM
tiredofit says:
TSX, as many have pointed out, it will be a lot more than what you suggest in the end. You do realize that the vast majority of workers in the private sector won't even get a pension of any kind from the their employers.

It's up to the individual to plan for their retirement. the company(s) in general are simply helping you plan for it.
8/20/2014 4:47:06 PM
allaboutthetruth says:
Keep in mind that those 600 workers hired in the last 5 years will most likely be laid off when the subways are done. Do you really think they are going to sit around & wait for possibly more work from BBD? If they are smart, I doubt it. Those of you with more than 5 years service are more than fairly protected. No cut to your pension or post-retirement benefits. As for the retirement age, god-forbid someone should have to work until they are 59 instead of 57! Caps on your benefits? Hmm, sounds alot like any other benefit plan in the country. A $4 co-pay, consider yourself lucky compared to those who have to cost share the entire plan at a hell of alot more than $4/script or don't have one at all. I for one have no sympathy. I got no raise from my employer, no COLA and pay into my pension & benefit plan. Sign the freaking deal before 1300 people are out of a job. The company owes you nothing but a paycheque!
8/18/2014 6:24:15 PM
outside looking in says:
I have a pension plan with benefits and all the medical items mentioned by "dananisback" are capped. There is only one result if one side refuses to negotiate any items for change. If they only want more then the result will be a plant closure. There is no time frame for how long a strike can go on however, there is a time frame for when a company can terminate employees and hire new ones. The longer this strike goes on, the more stronger the company becomes as they can simply close the plant and move the production lines somewhere else. I'm sure future employees will be happy whereever they work.

I believe it was Gold Corp out for three years and the company just hired more staff.
8/18/2014 6:53:35 PM
David28 says:
I think that it is time to swallow your pride and go back to work before you lose more than you think.
8/18/2014 6:57:53 PM
jonthunder says:
I am not fully informed of all the details of this dispute. But, a 3% plus 3% pension contribution driven plan can lead to a very good base pension; and, that is the way may other companies, governments, LU and others have gone. I say, off the cuff, without all the fine details, the deal looks pretty good. The Company, like all others wants the pension deal that can be sustainable and affordable, best to focus on other details and get this deal donn, before jobs are lost - forever.
8/18/2014 6:59:28 PM
hotchoc says:
I understand the reason some of these workers worry about costs when they retire. Who wouldn't.

But a question needs to be asked.

When did it become the responsibility of the company, or the taxpayer to pay for the drugs that you need.

Why is Bombardier, Bowater, or Metro Grocery, responsible to pay for your physio, your chiro, your massage. Why does the taxpayer have to fund this for government workers.

Why is this cost borne by the employer.

One reason is likely it was a perk given to mgm't and finally negotiated by unions, but the reality is, no one should probably have these things. They are perks, like cell phones, dinners out, and a new car every few years. nice to have, but not necessities of life.

There needs to be some perspective by society as a whole as to what is needed and what is wanted.

When everyone figures out the difference between the two, society in general will be in much better shape.
8/18/2014 7:22:26 PM
Reignmaker says:
That comment is ridiculous. Most of these things you call "perks" are there in order to keep employees working. Let's look at the companies you listed in regards to physio. All of these companies are causing the issues that need physio, so your suggestion that they should not cover the costs associated with treatment for issues caused by working there is head scratching.
Try to tell someone who is Diabetic that their drugs are a want and not a need and see how far you get. Companies pay for these things so that they can keep workers working.
Office work also creates issues directly related to much needed services.
It is in no way fair that a company, who may be causing most medical issues, just tells it's former employees thanks for the service but figure out your problems on your own now.
What do you think will happen to them? They will end up bankrupting the medical system through constant Hospitalization. Everything is connected whether you like it or not.
8/19/2014 9:34:02 AM
hotchoc says:
Is it your position that the employer needs to pay for your massages so you can go to work. He needs to pay for your glasses, your kids glasses, your wife's glasses so you can go to work. And 60 people agreed with your ridiculous commentary.

I presented the comment for discussion. Your sense of entitlement suggests you belong to a union. I understand why people want these things, but you cannot convince me that it is a necessity to pay for my children's dental visit, her glasses, or a massage. All perks paid by the taxpayer for public sector and the employer for private sector. If we believe in this as a social policy for our country, fine, but when one company provides it, and another does not, there is a cost and a competitive advantage. Employees like you need to stop believing you are owed something. You are owed a decent wage for good honest work. Why are you owed more than that. You are free to work anywhere. Who is forcing you to work in a place that damages your health.
8/19/2014 3:50:14 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
I'm a proud retired grandfather who belonged to a union for Great Lakes Paper Company, now Resolute. I'm being nice even though you are stating I didn't deserve the Benefits fought for by the Union. I remained a faithful employee for many, many years at this company and happy to say I still have all my fingers. My family grew roots here way before I was born. If I did not receive fair wages and benefits for the 110% work I put into the company.
I put it to you, when a fireman puts the fire out at you residence, do you tell him/her he/she doesn't deserve the benefits or wages his union fought for, or do you stop using toilet paper cause you believe the employee who made it is un-deserving, do you want me to go on...I was highly trained and schooled to do my job. As per your comments we know your position regarding union employee's and frankly scarlet Who Cares.
8/19/2014 6:06:22 PM
Reignmaker says:
1. Thanks for jumping to conclusions about my work status. I am not unionized.
2. More jumping to conclusions regarding your perception that I feel entitled. I believe that we are compensated for this because it is in the best interest of the employer to keep the employees and family unit healthy. Again, the family is connected and what becomes an issue in the household is an issue for everyone. A worker who can't pay for medical coverage for children is not nearly as productive as ones who can.
3.Of course you aren't forced to work anywhere, if you would rather be homeless then so be it. No matter how safe a job should be, there are always health implications that need to be addressed. Regardless of your thoughts.

I would be at the head of the charge if true universal health care was being fought for in Canada. Here is the thing you don't seem to grasp, the people without coverage end up using far more expensive emergency services that pass the payment onto the taxpayer.
8/20/2014 10:44:03 AM
westfortterri says:
Why does it seem like the Union is avoiding letting their members vote on the offer? Maybe the vote needs to be forced through the Ministry of Labour.
8/18/2014 8:03:18 PM
bubba says:
I heard they can make rail cars elsewhere, way cheaper. They make cars, tv's, phones and even food cheaper, which we all flock to over home made.
8/18/2014 8:12:43 PM
Ozone says:
Good to hear the ole stick it to the company union mentality here!

Boys and sone girls them days are dead! Stay on strike! Downs view, Kingston and Plattsburgh will finish this and every other contract while you picket the empty building that used to house a bombardier plant.
Only ones getting full pay Cheques are the union managers and other bombardier plant workers.
8/18/2014 8:44:24 PM
fedup27 says:
The union is so wound up and insistent that they will win at all costs they aren't bargaining in good faith. The negotiators from Unifor seem to be taking this personally and don't even remember what they're upset about anymore. When you barely look at the offer before saying no, that tells me you need some people that are a little more level headed at the table. Any offers that are made by the company should be taken to the union members before rejecting them, its bullshit that the union would do this before consulting its members. With all the labour standards we have now a days, unions have outlived their usefulness. This is not the 60s or 70s anymore. As a self employed individual I have to pay my CPP and then it is up to me to invest wisely for my own retirement. Nobody matches my pension. In 2 years of putting into RRSPs and Mutual funds I have contributed $16,000 and it is now valued at $18,000 with me not currently contributing. Accept the deal you're being offered.
8/18/2014 9:47:48 PM
handlewithcare says:
How many member meetings has the "union" had since getting their picket shifts?

John Wayne once said " Life is hard, but being stupid just makes it harder"

Some people do just want to work for a living.
8/18/2014 9:56:06 PM
westfortterri says:
These workers need to open their eyes and realize that there really are few jobs out there for their limited skills and not in the city. They need Bombardier.
8/18/2014 10:04:32 PM
BetterThunderBay says:
These workers are negotiating compensation for their labor, that's something we do in this country. Some people do that on an individual basis, and some do it as a group. It's also true that some have more options than others, which is unfortunately unavoidable. It's also lousy that some will need to leave their jobs as a result of the dispute.

There's lots of issues here for sure. What I don't understand is why some find it acceptable look on from the outside and say what I see in these comments. This is a private company.

Unless you work there, you have no idea what it's actually like. Maybe some people who comment here do, but if not, maybe it's just best left to the people who the dispute actually involves.
8/18/2014 11:31:49 PM
Bobguy says:
A brief review of the 5 year stock price and trend for bombardier leads me to believe that corporate greed is not the issue. The stock has been bouncing around 3-5 bucks for the whole time. Personally I'm thinking the union has to give on this and management need at straighten out its beurocracy. Hate to say it but I wouldn't be surprised if the management and office is handcuffed by an office union also. That's probably why there is so much waste and I satisfied workers.
8/18/2014 11:40:47 PM
Who-cares says:
Both sides should negotiate in private. There is not need for all of the day to day BS and propaganda to be played out in social media. Go and negotiate in good faith without trying to one up the other party, and don't come out of the room until you have a deal.
8/19/2014 3:16:31 AM
oscarmyerweiner says:
I see many still don't understand what this strike is about. It is about pension and benefits not a wage increase or anything else. It is for existing and future employees and their families. Why should we take the short end of the stick when the management are set for life. Lutz Bertling will make over $640,00 per year for his pension, that's over $53000 per month, the average worker will see $1800 per month. Do you really think that is fair. UNFAIR, UNJUST AND JUST GREEDY!
8/19/2014 7:42:26 AM
damanisback says:
your all forgeting the big picture here (for the non bombardier employees)

BOMBARDIER IS A WORLD CLASS COMPANY!

LOL INSIDE JOKE
8/19/2014 8:04:07 AM
MechTech88 says:
Kingston makes a lot of sence for the new production lines, halfway between the customer and design centre with all transportation infrastructure already in place. How about those cost savings? Git er done BBD!
8/19/2014 8:20:00 AM
bttnk says:
The biggest cost that goes into an North American made automobile is Healthcare. Healthcare for current and retired employees and their dependents. Not steel like a Japanese made automobile. It is an epidemic that is killing the industry before our eyes. This can and will happen to your inudstry Bombardier employees. Retirement benefits?? You'll have to excuse me if most of us don't feel sorry for you, because almost none of us will receive retirement benefits for ourselves and our dependent family members. Caps of Physio, Chiro, etc.? Great, many of us don't even have coverage. The days of entitlement are done.
To put the defined contribution plan into persepctive:

An employee making $50,000 annually for 25 years, will have approximately $250,000 in pension accumulation at retirement from which to draw against. You be the judge of whether this is a substantial amount.

Take the deal folks!
8/19/2014 8:29:25 AM
progress now says:
Europeans have healthcare, so do Japanese.

Europeans have pensions, Japan is different. I have heard your argument before but I don't quite get it. You could be right. Can you explain?
8/19/2014 9:31:27 AM
sonny_jim says:
I used to work at Bombardier also. I now have a very different job in the public sector. My partner has a job in the private sector with a large mining company. The benefits plan at Bombardier is extremely basic, the most basic I have ever seen actually. And don't give me that "at least you have a benefits plan" as benefits are standard for multi-nationals. The pension there is quite minimal too. It's not like Bell, Hydro, or OPSEU, where you can retire comfortably and get dental work done more than once a year... Tons of college grads try to get into Bombardier because it is a decent place to work, but then they just end up hiring people's relatives and neighbors - that's the company's choice.
8/19/2014 9:50:28 AM
Westfortterri says:
What is the real issue here? Unifor created its new union based on the promise that they will take no concessions anywhere. Now they have their first big strike. They have to win this one to prove this to everyone at the cost of the people on the picket line. So far $4000 each. The workers will never make up this lost income. I am happy with my defined contribution plan. And yes I work for Bombardier. You are gambling with my job as well.
8/19/2014 10:22:23 AM
sg says:
you must be COPE? Then you're up next terri. how will you feel when the deal you're offered is even worse? Think it won't happen? Think it won't make a difference to your qulaity of life? Think again. And then next round of contract talks - think even harder. This isn't the end of their attempts to create even more profit on the backs and incomes of their workers, at the expense of their workers. Everyone wants a good job and wants to work hard but the concessions will affect your life. Or are you still thinking 'at least I have a job'? It's a catch-22 don't you see? Accept the concessions so you 'still have a job' and what happens next time?
8/19/2014 10:52:29 AM
bttnk says:
sg - Tell us which concessions you don't like and why?
8/19/2014 12:29:29 PM
toonarmy1970 says:
its time for the union to wake up and smell the coffee.gold lined pensions and benefits for life is gone my friends.take a look at what happened in Detroit when the car industry shut up shop.
8/19/2014 10:59:24 AM
Bob Roberts says:
Wow lots of good comments above. For business today its all bottom line accounting (long term costs) that companies want to reduce. Its happening private and public sectors. Benefits are being cut everywhere and or reduced. There is no guarantee the Feds don't cut back your Old Age or CPP down the road either. At some point in Canada and in Ontario we will probably be the highest taxed nation in the world. I doubt Unifor is really concerned all that much about future new hires pension options. The Strike will cost workers in the end. Why worry about Executive benefits and compensation, unless your qualified and skilled for these type of positions. None of these guys ever need to work for 30-35 years in order to collect a pension. Unifor and the Union members could have chosen to avoid a strike and really look at the long term prospects of keeping skilled workers employed in Thunder Bay. Concessions yes, but what about working cooperative to improve production facilities and cost.
8/19/2014 11:40:53 AM
lake superior guy says:
I'm baffled at the number of negative comments directed at the union members. At least the people are willing to stand up for something instead of blindly accepting a bad offer. If your employer tried to take from you to enhance their bottom line would you be one of those "sheeple" who just hang their head and agree and then mutter about it around the water cooler after that. Whether it's big corporations or government, people should be willing to stand up and fight for their beliefs instead of just timidly saying yes. Sure, they're losing wages now, but they're also intelligently looking to the future for their members (and those future members). And BTW, yes I'm a member of a union at another business and proud of it.
8/19/2014 12:45:11 PM
Unions_Are says:
Well Said, and in total agreement
8/19/2014 1:17:38 PM
blueox says:
Negativity is not Productive, they would not make it as company executives...
8/19/2014 1:21:27 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Could not have said it better, I do not comment to those who show no intelligence or who's only objective is to illicit a response.
8/19/2014 1:31:43 PM
surveysays says:
federal govt pay for prescriptions after the age of 65. Called ODB . so you are on strike for dental coverage .
8/19/2014 2:11:41 PM
JustMO says:
Just a comment to DAVID28...I think people who are NOT going through this tough time on strike with a whopping 250$ a week and who may not have other means or savings to fall back on AND who do not work at Bombardier should not comment negative comments and act like its ok to be on strike because that's why we have savings accounts for paying our everyday bills and mortgages...really ignorant if you ask me as the spouse of a Bombardier employee. Clearly you or anyone for that matter has no right to add comments when you aren't going through this and trying to raise a growing family on the so called pay they receive. Maybe people like you should put your selves in ours and everyone else's on the picket line situations and pray its not you going through this one day!!
8/19/2014 2:35:50 PM
gomoe says:
Pensions are the issue and companies and governments are not going to be able to support the workers in retirement because of the increase in life expectancy. Look at Quebec right now asking employees and municipalities to support the pension 50-50. My expectation is that all levels of government and large corporations will get to this point of having to find a new way to pay for retirement of past employees.
8/19/2014 3:40:47 PM
Westfortterri says:
Sorry SG. I am not COPE. I am one of those people in between. Unions can't take all the credit for what we have today. The unemployment rate plays a big factor. When there is a shortage of skilled labour in a field, the rates and benefits go up to keep employees from moving to other companies. Don't forget, many of these people had no experience when they came to work at Bombardier. Their skills won't necessarily transfer to another line of work.
8/19/2014 4:07:44 PM
fools annoy me says:
Interesting how so many of you think union members are lazy or uneducated but you all seem to have unlimited time to troll on here for responses to petty jealousy based comments or fear mongering. Do you have so little in your life to make you happy that you want to see everyone else around you have little or nothing either? Petty sad people.
8/19/2014 7:03:15 PM
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