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2014-08-25 at 13:58

Urging solidarity

Protesters gathered outside city hall Monday to show support for the 900 Unifor Local 1075 members who are on strike at the local Bombardier plant.
Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com
Protesters gathered outside city hall Monday to show support for the 900 Unifor Local 1075 members who are on strike at the local Bombardier plant.
By Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- Now is not the time for 900 striking workers at the city’s Bombardier plant to back down from their stand against proposed concessions.

That’s the message union leadership gave to members of Unifor Local 1075 at a Monday morning rally at city hall, one day before those workers will cast ballots in a Ministry of Labour mandated vote on the company’s best and final offer.

Jerry Dias, Unifor’s national president, said a resounding refusal will force the company’s hand, meaning they’ll have to play ball.

“I would suggest this is a last, desperate attempt to instill their way and if in fact they don’t get their way they’ll have to have some serious negotiations,” Dias said.


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Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino is confident his membership will stand up and refuse the offer, and which will see new hires switched to a defined contribution pension plan and eliminate early retirement benefits for workers hired within the past four years.

That ultimate goal is to get back to work, he said.

“People are upset they’ve been on strike for so long and they want this to end but not on those terms,” Pasqualino said.

Bombardier spokeswoman Stephanie Ash over the weekend accused the union of spreading false information about the offer. The company has been running newspaper and radio advertisements promoting their proposed contract.

Dias called out Bombardier for the publicity push, saying the pressure to switch the pension plan and cut the early retirement plan while spending money to attempt to lobby the workers was a “hypocrisy.”

Pasqualino accused the company of trying to break the union.

The labour dispute, which reached the six-week mark on Monday, has been growing increasingly contentious with both sides becoming frustrated with each other’s refusal to compromise.

However, the national president, who was making his second visit to the city since the strike began on July 12, said any talk of the company packing up and abandoning the Thunder Bay plant is preposterous and is only being used to instill fear into the workers.

The skilled work force and lucrative contracts are too valuable to leave behind, he argued.

“Give me a break. That’s a normal scare tactic you hear everywhere. If you listened to that argument every time it was made there wouldn’t be a manufacturing job in Canada. It’s a non-sense argument,” he said.

The rally started at city hall and then concluded following a short march to the office of Thunder Bay-Atikokan MPP Bill Mauro.

Mauro, as well as Thunder Bay-Superior North MPP Michael Gravelle, have drawn the ire of the union for a perceived lack of support to the striking workers.

“We are upset the Liberal government has not even talked to us. They came around at election time demanding our vote and now they are nowhere to be seen,” Pasqualino said.

“We think this not only affects Bombardier workers in Thunder Bay but Toronto, where they have made a lot of promises to have 30 minute GO service.”

Mauro was in his office when the demonstrators arrived and came out and gave a brief speech.


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He said it was not the place of elected officials to get involved in a labour dispute with a private sector company, though the impact it has had on the city is concerning.

“We also know something as large as (a plant with) 1,400 employees, our largest private sector employer by far, has ripple effects throughout the community,” Mauro said in an interview inside his office.

Mayor Keith Hobbs, the former union president of the city’s police association, addressed the rally at city hall and called on management to return to the table and accusing the company of not properly bargaining.

Local union leadership will be hosting meetings later Monday and early Tuesday morning ahead of the vote to answer any questions the members have about the deal.

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rolling wind says:
Hobbs supporting us...this won't help you get re elected...you wasted your time trying to suck up to the workers.
Your words are empty
8/26/2014 3:08:04 PM
TBLND27 says:

There is a plant, in Ontario, with a bunch of skilled fired workers, with similar housing costs and a nicer city where they could set up a new plant. I believe the building is still vacant.
8/26/2014 1:10:51 PM
trevor99 says:
Some comments above are so ridiculous that it is easy to draw conclusions as to the educations levels of these folks.

Mauro/Gravelle-- should be supporting the workers. people really believe an elected official should be taking sides, and a cabinet minister at that? Are people really that ignorant.

The union bargained with the TTC to get these contracts-- that comment is so naive and ill-informed it warrants no other commentary

Around the plant on a regular basis at election time--- you mean canvassing for voter support, like the NDP and Conservative Candidate, when your union leader was actively supporting the NDP. Is that what you mean?

Don't expect your MPP's to baby-sit you while you are on strike. Your union leader wants you to blame the MPP's so you won't blame them and some of you fools will do the union bidding no matter how illogical.

Good luck if this vote fails. You will all need it.
8/26/2014 12:55:54 PM
dbty says:
Mayor Hobbs continues to be an embarrassment. His mindset seems to be more suited to a community like Pickle Lake. I will offer to help him move there.
8/26/2014 12:25:00 PM
Bob Roberts says:
The voting members will have their say today. Hopefully a strong turnout numbers wise. Lots of speculation, in the end its all about production of current contract and jobs. Unifor could have continued to have more meaningful dialog with the company to avoid a strike. No one has a crystal ball on what is going to happen 3-5 years out. Business world is all driven by cost reductions. Wages are actually coming down. 5 years with no Pay increases for highly skilled educated workers is starting to be common. New hires are earning much less, have less benefits. Post retirement benefits are also disappering. Being a Union member can have benefits for workers as long as the Union Exec can see the bigger long term picture. Not sure this was the case in Tbay. A NO vote is a WIN for UNIFOR and will prolong the strike. In the end the lost wages are gone forever and never recovered. Hopefully it was worth it in the end.
8/26/2014 9:11:44 AM
bttnk says:
Hobbs is making a comment because it is election season. If Mauro and Gravelle were running a campaign, they would be doing the same thing as Hobbs. Say what you want about the Union and the contract offer, but Pascquillino is exactly correct when he says that Mauro and Gravelle are only around when they want/need votes.
8/26/2014 8:48:39 AM
Kam River says:
Mayor Keith Hobbs, called on management to return to the table and accusing the company of not properly bargaining.
What kind of message does this send to business looking to set up shop in Thunder Bay and to provide jobs for you and I.
He reminds me of a kid running for class president.
No understand of the Responsibilities that come with the position
8/25/2014 9:56:29 PM
fools annoy me says:
I'll reserve my comments till after the vote as most of you self righteous pseudo intellectuals (it's LOSE you silly geese, not LOOSE) probably should too. Then when the union says no and tells Bombardier to come up with a suitable offer, maybe you will realise your fear mongering and hatred really only mean you're suffering from "keyboard muscles" syndrome.
8/25/2014 9:31:33 PM
or$en says:
i used to work there
strange place to work from a previously non union guy ..... meetings.. meetings .... more meetings.

but i gotta say at this point the union is right ... a few yrs ago connsenion was all to keep a job.
now "they" want us all to have mc jobs ... it is time for the union again.. cause non union peeps benefit from the things they fight for.

as for just up and moving the plant ... if you think its that easy you havnt been in there.
its huge
and the turning basin is a marvel

yes many part come from mexico premade .. often needing much adjustment .... fact is its not as easy to just up and move a facility of this magnitude in a timely fashion to meet contracts... so keep adjusting

the company will settle as they get paid an amount up front per car .. they also get paid per car on completion of said car
that why its so important to move completed cars ... or they could sit in the yard and ship a whole line at once.

missing tons of cash on the books.... outta space
8/25/2014 9:17:59 PM
blackbird says:
You know, it's weird but I get your point.
8/26/2014 12:22:54 AM
Opinion13 says:
Hobbs should mind his own business. His comments are out of line in his position.

Let the union and the company sort this out.
8/25/2014 9:10:49 PM
Today1 says:
If the company was planning on moving elsewhere, they would of already. If this contract is the dealbreaker...move on Bombardier...you were going anyways.
8/25/2014 8:11:37 PM
Shane Caker says:
I can't wait to see mayor Hobbs on the picket line with striking municipal workers when the time comes. I really, really, really can't wait!
8/25/2014 7:17:34 PM
lvm123 says:
Right you are Shark. I have a feeling many of the comments on this and other stories related to our strike are coming right of the bombardier plant from bored supervisors/managers. Obviously the company wants this to end - look at how much money they have blown trying to get a "yes" vote. Even if it does mean they leave thunder bay - o well secure jobs are hard to find.
I am not a union orientated person and I like to think for myself, but Diaz and the rest have convinced me to go against this offer if just to score one for the little guy.
8/25/2014 6:23:32 PM
let them vote...

just let them vote.
8/25/2014 6:07:40 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
I need to enlighten some who believe DC pension is a great bargain compared to DB or
Target pension Plans, no need to believe me just go to Pensions 101:


If there's still any doubt, well then it's a lost cause...Quebec Union rejected Bombardier's final offer in 2012...google it
8/25/2014 5:59:23 PM
bttnk says:
@OPR - I don't think anyone with a clue is suggesting that a Defined Contribution pension plan is "better" than a defined benefit plan. What we are suggesting is that defined benefit pension plans are no longer affordable in a globalized economy. Now I've read your post and you are a retired union worker so you may not understand what globalization has done to the marketplace. The days of spending an additional 25% on employee benefits (health/dental/retirement) are done because North American companies cannot be competitive by adding 25% to the cost of goods sold. This isn't corporate greed it is basic economics. There is a middle ground to be negotiated, but it starts with agreeing to the DC plan and doing away with health benefits for retirees and their families.
8/25/2014 9:13:22 PM
Jack Frost says:
If it were not for the Union Labour movement, there would NOT be a "middle-class" !!

Unions and their blue-collar workers once put the "THUNDER" in this now Thunderless Bay of today with no more heavy unionized industry.

Remember this, Unions have always set the bar by what Unions and their members fight for today will eventually be enjoyed and benefitted by all Non-Union workers of tomorrow...

Thunderless Bay happens to be a very "middle-class" blue-collar community thanks to the many years of pro unions and their workers...

I am a Proud Trade Union member and a T-shirt N' jeans citizen of this very Blue-Collar community !!

Long live the Union Labour movement in this great Canada of ours !!
8/25/2014 5:56:21 PM
captain says:
And if it wasn't for Bill Mauro, Michael Gravelle and the Ontario Liberal Government, there would not be 900 more jobs at Bombardier than there was 10 years ago.

So get your act together and stop attacking the people who are putting food on your table and paying your bills.

Those are 900 new jobs. Dominic didn't get them for you. Unifor didn't create them for you. Bombardier created them because they received about $3 Billion in Ontario Liberal Government contracts in large part because of the efforts of our two MPP's.

You dodo's are so shortsighted you think Hobbs is the good guy because he will say anything to anyone and somehow Mauro is the bad guy because he didn't hold your hand on the line.

Mauro and Gravelle are trying to get you more contracts. But keep yelling at them and accuse them of doing nothing.

I am sure that will go a long way to securing more work for your thankless workers.
8/25/2014 10:08:32 PM
tiredofit says:
Let's hope cooler heads prevail at the vote and the members are allowed to vote the way they wish without intimidation by the Union.

For those that think the company won't pull up stakes, your sorely mislead. Sure, it may cost the company a bit initially, but in the long run, they will recover and will continue to be prosperous.

As for future work, do you really think a company will choose BB after events like this? It will have a long term negative effect. The company is ruled by stakeholders and they want to make a profit any any cost including at your expense.

You earn more than most in this town, you still have a pension, something the vast majority don't. Time to put on your big boy boots and swallow your pride, accept the offer and move on. Hopefully the company won't close shop upon completion of existing contracts. Nothing stopping rm from gutting the plant and retooling another somewhere else in Canada where people want to work for a good wage.
8/25/2014 5:05:52 PM
TBTNFL says:
So because others have less we should just roll over and let a bunch of rich business men rob us blind? Thanks but no thanks. How about this, there are people who make zero dollars a year, you should be perfectly ok making only hundred. When you are ok with this agreement maybe we will talk. This straw man argument is just as valid as yours, quite silly isn't it?
8/25/2014 9:28:47 PM
blackbird says:
NEW LOW, Bombardier playing like a scared little rabbit, come out and face us to vote your way, we're not talking to the short term hired PR. Real Big Men hiding from the people who build their train cars. We deserve the recognition, but at least you believe we could read.
8/25/2014 4:56:58 PM
Shark says:
So many comments in so little time. I see we have the usual union bashers trolling this site just waiting to make a comment when they should be doing their job. Or is this your job? I pointed out to a few members at the rally that for some reason during the most informative parts of this rally the cameras were not rolling. The parts that would tell the public what we are really fighting for. Made it pretty obvious what the agenda was.
8/25/2014 4:34:48 PM
bttnk says:
Jerry Dias - Easy for you to say to your "Brothers & Sisters" to hold the line as you collect your full pay cheque while they struggle to pay the bills.

The harsh truth is this deal is very good in comparison to the marketplace. If I was a union member of Unifor I would be asking my leadership to accept the concessions and negotiate the terms of the defined contribution pension plan to get a bit more than the 3% and 3% being offered, and ask that retirement benefits remain for all existing hires (rather then only for those hired prior to May 2010). These archaic benefits are not realistic with the foreign competition that globalization has brought.
8/25/2014 4:13:12 PM
TBTNFL says:
He and the rest of the comity do not collect a full wage. The harsh truth is you have no clue what you are talking about. Riddle me this, if these benefits are so archaic why does all of management and higher up have defined benefit plans?
8/25/2014 9:17:26 PM
bttnk says:
@TBTNFL - Actually it is you that doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Jerry Dias, as I noted, is receiving full wages as the National President of Unifor. Do yourself a favour and quit with the rhetoric, most of it makes no sense or is just flat out incorrect. As is the case here.
8/26/2014 8:42:22 AM
sg says:
bttnk didn't you tell us you retired from there as a supervisor or manager or something?

What you aren't seeing is that Bombardier has not negotiated in good faith from the very beginning of this process.
8/26/2014 9:54:31 AM
bttnk says:
@sg - No I didn't tell you that. I've never worked for Bombardier. This is a failed attempt by you to misrepresent my comments.

Bombardier IS negotiating in good faith in my opinion. Operationally, they require two significant concessions to maintain their competitiveness in a global marketplace. Those are moving from a Defined Benefit pension plan to Defined Contribution plan, and removing the huge liability that providing benefits to retired employees and their families brings to Bombardier. These are concessions that employees across North America have been making for the better part of 2 decades.
8/26/2014 11:56:51 AM
sg says:
Well thanks for clearing that up.

But no, Bombardier hasn't been bargaining in good faith. That isn't just an opinion, it's a fact
8/26/2014 12:49:57 PM
allaboutthetruth says:
Well done Mr. Mauro for being the professional that you are. No politician should get involved in a labour dispute. Mr Hobbs, along wtih other members of council, lost my vote the minute they showed up here at the plant. Your places are at city hall.

Those of you who believe this plant isn't at a critical stage & isn't in threat of being closed I beg you to go talk to your fellow Union brothers & sisters who worked at any of the mills or elevators. While they were picketing the facilities were closed.

When all of us are out of jobs please come back & tell us how well your union supported you after the fact.

People need to stop pointing the finger across the table & start looking in the mirror. If any of us want this plant to remain competitive we all need to play a part in the solution.
8/25/2014 4:03:05 PM
Carj says:
All the city employees of Thunder Bay will see how pro-labour Hobbs is in the future when city employees negotiate future contracts. I have no doubt that Hobbs and all of city politicians ect will put on yet another different face to help their own position. The only thing that administrators care about is themselves, always have, always will. Unless a particular issue affects a politician or administrator personally, the politician will only do what's best for him/herself
8/25/2014 3:40:31 PM
tudor says:
I realize that you were speaking about Hobbs but you should be careful with how you generalize about politicians will only do what benefits them.

Mr. Mauro could have chosen other words that would have made those protestors happy. He didn't. He said what needed to be said when once again he advised that it is not his role to get involved in labour disputes.

Hobbs choose the political path.

Fortunately not all politicians are the same.

Some are very good. Some we elect as Mayor's and councillors, but you have to love Hobbs.

A conservative saying that stuff. I am sure if he was at the Chamber he would've bashed unions.

8/25/2014 4:02:10 PM
pitbull4074 says:
@tbaybbdtworker..Wow, I'm not sure if you're intoxicated or just a complete fool for your comment because it makes absolutely no sense! Maybe you should get out from behind the security of your computer and false name and make your way to the meeting so you can be educated to prevent asinine comments like that one!
8/25/2014 3:27:01 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
Here we go with that Union mentality here. They are going to lose 300 jobs when the Rocket contract is done. OK. So what. If you don't have orders how do you pay people? You want what Canadians expect. You want to "Get what is rightfully ours" "What they are entitled too." Are you serious? If your Union is so pro union they why are your members shopping at Wal-Mart? You are so union strong but you will buy products from non-union markets that are NOT even Canadian! You are really entitled to nothing. You got paid for your job and that is what you were entitled to get. Anything after that is a bonus. Until the day comes that a Union steps up and actually forces a deadbeat members to quit there will always be that I hate union mentality. Because everybody knows of the guy that does nothing on the job or just abuses the system. When union protect people like that, they get a bad name. So clean up your act and maybe just maybe the rest of us will support you. Until then NO!
8/25/2014 3:24:45 PM
yellowsnow says:
Is that Simon Cowell holding the hand mic?
8/25/2014 3:15:00 PM
tbayhabs33 says:
That is an embarassing comment...judging by your inaccurate info you pribably havent been at the plabt very long...and i highly doubt your even a unifor member
8/25/2014 3:06:20 PM
progress now says:
Mr. Mauro's comments are as enlightened as Mr. Hobbs' comments are unhelpful.

Our city will be facing those same kind of tough negotiations with employees and Mr. Hobbs' self interested comments have left city negotiators (and city taxpayers) in a bad position.

This is all so amateur.

8/25/2014 2:55:19 PM
icebcold says:
are you for real, must be a company idiot trying to play with union members, no member of the union would say suck stupid stuff
8/25/2014 2:47:04 PM
dirt says:
Congratulations to Mr. Mauro for standing tall and sending the proper message - this is an issue between the union and the company. To bad our vote eager City politicians don't have to common sense to stay out of it and concentrate on doing the job the voters put them in office to do. I know I for one didn't vote for them to become micro managers of every private business in town. Hopefully the voters teach Hobbs and Pugh a lesson for stepping over the line. Governments already has too much influence on our daily lives.
8/25/2014 2:42:00 PM
blackbird says:
Hmmm...Common Sense Eh...Exactly where did Bombardier get Billions in Bailout or what Bombardier said was a loan not bailout. Was it not from...wait for it...THE GOVERNMENT. Who does Mr. Mauro work for...THE GOVERNMENT. Who pays the government and Mr. Mauro, I won't even say who, use your own Common Sense if there is any.
8/25/2014 4:41:31 PM
TBTNFL says:
Bill Mauro works for us, the citizens who elected him. Last I checked that means he is supposed to be representing and supporting his constituents. Hopefully you come across hard times one day and need the support of the community.
8/25/2014 8:52:53 PM
Wazzman says:
Its comments like that that coils me they are closing the plant ohh really and where to may i ask seeing you are so knowledgeble on this its people like you that make me laugh this plant is not going to close and give your head a shake please and thank you clueless
8/25/2014 2:41:47 PM
allaboutthetruth says:
Oh lets see, Kingston has space. LaPoc isn't at full capacity. There is an awful lot of land available in Southern Ontarion to set up shop. It would cost them less than the losses they booked last year alone to do that. The contracts state a Canadian content requirement but no specific location where the facility needs to be.

You sir need to stop laughing and start paying attention to what's going on around you.
8/25/2014 4:08:50 PM
TBTNFL says:
Kingston's plant is less than half the size of this one and the other plant in Quebec is also smaller and running above half capacity. The Thunder Bay plant is running over capacity. Bombardier won't even sign the same contract we had last year. Wages here are less than 50 million a year, what makes you think they will spend a few billion dollars on building a new plant in Toronto? Aside from being delusional you need to stop belittling people. You sir need to pay attention and do your homework before you open your mouth.
8/25/2014 8:48:03 PM
former says:
You may be missing the point. Stop thinking about plants in Canada and start thinking global. Whether you like it our not, your wage and benefit program is being compared to that of other countries. That's the reality of business today. Like when you take your hard earned dollars and spend them in the US because products are cheaper (due to lower wages and benefits, that is your choice. Sooner or later, Bombardier will need to make tough decisions, when they are competing against companies, globally, who's wages and benefits are less.
8/26/2014 8:57:28 AM
trevor99 says:
One elected official who is professional and knows what he is talking about says no elected official should get involved in labour negotiations.

The other elected official who does not have a clue says the company is not bargaining properly.

Mayor Hobbs, you just sent a loud and clear message to any business looking to set up shop in this town. You just told them that you are on the side of labour period.

My goodness what did we do when we elected this guy.

And the Bombardier union guy

You had 250 employees 11 years ago. now you have 900 on strike. Where exactly did those employees come from. Who do you think those protestors should thank for even having a job.

But just a classy group of people with the - uck corprate agenda sign.

Really really classy.

Go back to grade 6 and actually graduate this time.
8/25/2014 2:37:21 PM
aw614 says:
He was elected FOR the people of Thunder Bay.
Not for some big corporation from Canada.
Good for Hobbs for supporting the people of Thunder Bay.
8/25/2014 4:40:13 PM
TBTNFL says:
Actually the union bargained with TTC to get a lot of these contracts not Bombardier. The Ontario government also gave Bombardier the bid in good faith it gave Ontario workers good paying jobs with good benefits. Also, the provincial MP's Michael Gravelle and Bill Mauro were at the plant on a regular basis around election time. Tell me more about how it's OK to promise jobs for a vote but not to support those jobs once you are in power? To answer your question, we should thank our union for these jobs and the Ontario tax payers, not Bombardier. Ohh by the way Bombardier should also thank Ontario tax payers for the siding they purchased for the building, after all that's who subsidizes this company. Considering you have to turn to ad-hominems to attack those you oppose, I suggest you rethink your own education.
8/25/2014 8:42:13 PM
eventscentre says:
Someone better quickly explain to these guys what the word martyr means; and what happens to martyrs when they've been influenced and misled by someone who won't suffer the same repercussions as these martyrs. Vote yes guys....it is the only way you won't lose.
8/25/2014 2:33:42 PM
TBTNFL says:
Ohh threatening and condescending comments like this sure show your ignorance towards your fellow human beings. Someone should quickly explain to you how your taxes will have to make up for the gaps in the companies coverage.
8/25/2014 8:32:48 PM
eventscentre says:
And if you vote no, like YOU are going to, then my taxes will really go up to support you. Is this what this is all about? Shake your head and snap out of it
8/25/2014 8:55:28 PM
TBTNFL says:
No this is about a multibillion dollar company taking care of it's workers and giving up a fair share of the pie we made so your silly little tax dollars wont be paying for unemployment claims. Shake your head and snap out of it.
8/26/2014 2:11:38 AM
moonpie says:
Oh dude don't pat yourself on the back so hard, you're liable to hurt yourself.
8/26/2014 9:57:23 AM
blackbird says:

Do you think striking Bombardier workers will accept the company's final offer when they vote on it on Tuesday?

Total Votes: 737
Yes: 37.58%
No: 62.42%

Tomorrow We'll See YOU LOSE...

8/26/2014 12:28:52 AM
conker2014 says:
At the rate automation is growing these workers will not have jobs in 10 years anyways. It is time to get what as much out of the company as you can now instead of hoping that there are still jobs for manual labour when you retire.

If you doubt what I am saying, 3-6 million people are projected to loose their jobs driving and suporting the truck freight industry over the next 20 years when mercedes and other truck manufacturers finish and sell their autonomous transport trucks.

This replacement of the manual labour force will even touch the beloved mining boom. Mines in Australia already have robotic rock hauling trucks and will likely be the standard for all new mines in the future. If thunder bay wants to boom from mining we need management and robotics engineers not truck drivers.
8/25/2014 2:31:51 PM
unheard says:
There is still a driver in the truck in your video correct?
You telling me he is unpaid?
8/25/2014 7:56:11 PM
TBTNFL says:
That is the future and the same can be said about management. Computers can now think and make more rational decisions than humans. They can handle finance and make short and long term predictions much more efficiently and accurately. Computers can even paint, compose music, and write stories. Eventually humans will be replaced all together, so I'm not sure why you are so smug about your point. Until automation reaches this point the people involved still deserve a fair piece of the pie they created.
8/25/2014 8:30:44 PM
endthisnow06 says:
These people are a very small minority of the people, everyone at the plant wants to go back to work. I highly doubt 451 people will vote no. This is ridiculous, do your research into the offer made. Also, if NEW HIRES don't want to work for Bombardier because of DC pensions which allow you WAY more freedom to manage your own pension. Jerry Dias looks like he is gonna have a heart attack. These people need to stop being stubborn and selfish and allow the rest of the people who WANT TO WORK to go back to work. Not everyone can strike for 2 months and survive. I pray that common sense prevails and that 451 people vote YES.
8/25/2014 2:31:28 PM
TBTNFL says:
Well at the meeting today over 500 showed their support and will more than likely vote no. You are ridiculous for not supporting the working class. The failings of management should not be on the back of the worker when management themselves refuses to make any concessions of their own. This has nothing to do with people not wanting to work at bombardier, it has to do with fair and equal benefit's for all not a select few.
8/25/2014 8:25:05 PM
tbaybbdtworker says:
Just wait, if more than 50% of our union votes no to the offer, Bombardier will be shutting its' doors and moving somewhere else in Ontario. Yes, the cars need to be Canadian-produced Content, but it doesn't say anything about it having to be from Thunder Bay.

Keep being the hardheaded idiots you are, and enjoy dealing with the repercussions of 900+ unemployed workers aswell as office staff. See how Thunder Bay supports you then.

All I know is, if and when the plant moves out of town, I'll be moving with it.
8/25/2014 2:16:00 PM
TBTNFL says:
I suppose the fact it costs millions to retool and move everything never crossed your mind? Or the fact the other available plants in Canada are not even half the size of the plant here. Or the fact this plant doesn't have enough room as is for the contracts we have. Or the fact they have deadlines to meet and moving is not considered under labor dispute clause. Stop fear mongering and consider the facts.
8/25/2014 8:19:55 PM
moonpie says:
Ditto what "conker2014" says a few comments below, it applies to your comment. Automation is coming, so if Bombardier has to close this plant its an opportunity for them to build a larger, more modern plant with newer technology requiring fewer employees. Do you really think a few million matters to a company this size? They could have a new plant up and running in two years or less.
8/25/2014 10:29:37 PM
TBTNFL says:
A plant costs a lot more than a few million. You are over simplifying this scenery. A plant this size would cost hundreds of millions plus infrastructure, machines, retooling, so on and so forth. It would be interesting to see, but they would never justify the cost. Bombardier thinks short term not long term.
8/26/2014 2:08:58 AM
moonpie says:
Yes the costs of building a manufacturing plant are more than a "few" million, it was more a figure of speech. My point was its a good possibility Bombardier is looking at this as an opportunity to move forward and leave TBay behind.
8/26/2014 9:52:28 AM
Today1 says:
...yup.. to a city where your house will cost twice as much...half the wages...and Bombardier will give you the same song in three years...and you'll probably move again and again, till you get some backbone and get it....
8/25/2014 9:38:05 PM
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