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2014-08-26 at NOON

Offer rejected

A Unifor Local 1075 member stands outside the Airlane Hotel on Tuesday while fellow striking workers cast ballots in a Ministry of Labour vote on Bombardier
Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com
A Unifor Local 1075 member stands outside the Airlane Hotel on Tuesday while fellow striking workers cast ballots in a Ministry of Labour vote on Bombardier's last offer.
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By Matt Vis, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- The strike at the city’s Bombardier plant goes on.

Unifor Local 1075 members overwhelmingly rejected the company’s last offer on Tuesday during a Ministry of Labour supervised vote, with 81.5 per cent saying no deal to Bombardier.

In total, 612 members voted against the company’s offer while 139 voted to accept the contract and bring the six-week strike to an end.

Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino considers the wide margin to be a victory for the union, forcing the company to return to the bargaining table.

“Hopefully they’ll listen to us now and get some results,” he said.

“I suspect, and obviously the membership believes as well, there will be another offer and that’s what we’re working towards--an honest, fair offer.”

Pasqualino added he believes the company filed the application for the Ministry of Labour vote as a quick survey to see if there was any dissension within the union ranks.

Company officials declined to be interviewed for this story but provided a statement released on behalf of Aaron Rivers, the company’s head of operations for the Americas.

“As the Bombardier Transportation head of operations for the Americas region, it is now my sole responsibility to shift our focus from fighting to get the Thunder Bay work force back to work, to ensuring that Bombardier's customer contracts and commitments are fully met; utilizing all of our multiple resources to do so,” the statement from Rivers reads.

“We will now step away in light of today's vote results, consider the impacts of the results on our customers and business moving forward, and make the tough necessary decisions."

Rivers had previously vowed in an open letter sent Monday to members that “even after four, eight or 12 more weeks of strike, the last company offer will not change.”

The primary point of contention during the labour dispute, which began on July 14, are concessions the company is seeking to early retirement benefits for recent hires and a change to the pension structure of future workers.

If the members had voted to accept it, the offer would have seen employees hired after Dec. 31, 2010 receive a lump sum payout of $350 in lieu of any pre-65 early retirement benefits. New hires would be ineligible for early retirement benefits.

Future hires would also have been enrolled in a defined contribution pension plan, while all current workers would remain on their defined benefit plan.

There were 751 ballots counted, though there were some additional ones that were said to be spoiled. However, that leaves close to 150 members who were eligible to vote who chose not to.

Pasqualino said of the 900 striking workers, some were on injured or sick leave. However, he is concerned some of those 150 won’t be back at the plant when the dispute is eventually resolved.

“It may speak numbers to people who won’t be coming back to Bombardier when the contract is settled. Unfortunately, if we don’t settle in the near future that number is going to increase,” he said.

The two sides have not met for formal negotiations since Aug. 16, when the offer that was voted on was originally presented to the union’s bargaining committee. The bargaining committee rejected the offer on the spot, prompting the company apply to the provincial ministry for the vote last week.

UPDATE: This is an update to a previous version, which was published prior to voting results being released. Some of the comments posted below reference the previous version.


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Bob Roberts says:
Hopefull for a resolution to this Strike. Way too much rhetoric around this whole issue from all sides. Keep jobs in Tbay should be the goal with a decent wage. Risk vs Reward is not the game Unifor should be playing with workers livelihood.
8/26/2014 1:42:34 PM
TBAY Opinion says:
The Rank and File are playing hardball with Bombardier. Lets see if the company blinks. One thing for sure, Bombardier sure got a taste of Union Solidarity Thunder Bay style. lol.
8/26/2014 11:16:48 PM
bttnk says:
What do people think about Aaron Rivers comments? According to his words, this deal will not chance "even after four, eight, 12 weeks more of strike".

I really hope this works out for the workers, but I am a firm believer that it will start with agreeing to the two concessions. My opinion of course. Best of luck....
8/26/2014 1:56:04 PM
Unions_Are says:
Jeez, I don't know, maybe they can't afford to stay down for 12 weeks...Brothers and Sisters another 2 months and His Majesty Sir Rivers with concede! Yip-pee...
8/26/2014 3:54:42 PM
Tbay_politics says:
"His Majesty Sir Rivers" isn't on the bargaining committee... He isn't in a position to concede.
8/27/2014 10:16:22 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Mr. Dias isn't either, but who does the negotiating team take their orders from
Ohh..they are so Top Heavy NOBODY KNOWS.
8/27/2014 11:08:10 AM
boofer69 says:
I think we all know what is going to happen here.
Pushy union gets nothing...
8/26/2014 2:21:52 PM
anarnosti says:
Mr. Rivers has stated that the company will not change its "final" offer. Bully tactics! Nobody likes a bully.
8/26/2014 3:00:21 PM
moonpie says:
Nonsense. You offer people a buffet and if they don't like anything on the table, too bad, that's all their is. You can only offer so much before you have to say tough, starve then.
8/26/2014 5:03:22 PM
Tbay_politics says:
Agreed. Wait. Was it Mr. Rivers that marched yelling through megaphones to city hall and the MPPs offices, or...? Huh. Bully tactics indeed.
8/27/2014 10:29:16 AM
blackbird says:
TBT, It would be in good taste if commenting on this topic is held off till the Union Brothers & Sisters Vote...they are smart, educated union members voting for their families future here in T.B. Any Comments for or against is not appreciated. One way or the other, either BomBardier leaves or the educated, skilled workforce, as is this case now T.B loses.
8/26/2014 3:02:30 PM
conker2014 says:
FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
8/26/2014 3:34:59 PM
Unions_Are says:
SOCIAL ETIQUETTE, RESPECT, HUMILITY, Right for a person, group to be protected from slander, hatred, Contempt OR Ridicule Do You Understand Libel?...Sorry Brothers and Sisters, idiocy I could be without.
8/26/2014 6:37:50 PM
blackbird says:
Well I guess it didn't matter, 612 voters that will not be mocked, harassed and intimidated...
The fight for what's right continues...
8/26/2014 7:09:53 PM
glass half full says:
There should be no comments for this story until after the vote is complete. Other stories are edited why are comments being posted for this story?
8/26/2014 4:04:20 PM
nvjgu says:
70% no vote
8/26/2014 4:12:48 PM
Arch Stanton says:
"Unifor national president Jerry Dias and Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino, urged members to reject the contract at a Monday rally."

Well they would, wouldn't they? Because, unlike their members, they are still drawing full salary & benefits... "EQUALITY OF SACRIFICE, COMRADES!!!"
8/26/2014 4:39:18 PM
SG says:
Nice try. The local president, Pasqualino is not drawing full salary and benefits. He is receiving strike pay like all members of the local. This has been repeated over and over. And he is putting in many many hours, way beyond the typical work week. I don't know about Jerry Dias, he's the national president.
Please don't, you know not what you speak of.
8/26/2014 5:07:39 PM
Unions_Are says:
SHHH, Brother the more they speak/write the further the foot travels down the throat, I'm waiting for it to come out the other end.
Freedom Of Speech is what we Union Brothers and Sisters achieved with past negotiations. Pity those who have to continuously bark out perversions to achieve their goal, really IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!! & !
8/26/2014 5:22:22 PM
bttnk says:
Jerry Dias continues to get his full salary which is a lucrative six figure salary.
8/26/2014 8:42:00 PM
Theangryone says:
How long until the "toys" end up on Kijiji since mortgage payments are possibly being missed. I have had my wage frozen for years now but still have a full time job. UNIFOR should invest in Bombardier B stocks and help the company. This in turn will help with pensions. Or........stay on strike and suffer.
8/26/2014 5:01:07 PM
big guy says:
Now lets not all forget what happened to Northern wood, Great West Timber and B&H Hard wood mill. The employees thought the CEP UNION was going to help them win the fight against Buchanan and where are those mills now. But the CEP Union is still going sad isn't.
8/26/2014 5:42:40 PM
Shark says:
Your forgetting the part where the government sent those jobs to the states. Had nothing to do with any Union. Those jobs were going there no matter what. We at least have a chance to save our jobs. What really surprises me is people like you don't have a problem with that. But it won't just be our down fall, it will be the whole community. Whether you want to see it or not, it's people like you who are at fault. Supporting corporate greed in the end is hurting the whole world not just Thunder Bay.
8/26/2014 7:21:46 PM
SamIAm says:
Gen membership 80% no
Trades 93% no

REJECTED LOUDLY!
8/26/2014 5:44:45 PM
deluxecustom says:
Good work Unifor!!!
Have a good christmas!! Wont close eh?
Ask the U.S. air traffic controllers from 1981 how their union tactics worked out for them! 11340 workers fired on the spot and replaced...
8/26/2014 6:08:11 PM
humnchuck says:
The PATCO strike and subsequent dismissal was due to violation of a Presidential Order. President Reagan ordered the air traffic controllers back to work as a matter of public safety. They were also prohibited from striking under U.S. Federal law. Not QUITE the same as Unifor v. Bombardier, but nice try. You might need a better example...
8/26/2014 6:41:22 PM
lake superior guy says:
Way to compare apples and oranges and come out with fruit salad. Different country, different labour laws and a federal government that was vehemently anti-union. Better to stay silent and have people assume you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
8/26/2014 6:43:54 PM
fastball says:
Yup, they all got fired - causing a ripple effect of chronic staffing shortages, exhausted personnel and an alarming number of near-collisions in the air. After the strike, they worked 6 days in a row, 10 hours a day. But hey, they saved a few bucks in the interim.
Ironically, nowadays an air-traffic controller is one the highest paid government employees - averaging 136K a year.
Yup - worked out well, didn't it?
8/26/2014 6:44:47 PM
supersavage says:
Bombardier Internet Defence Force Go away
8/26/2014 7:54:47 PM
portland39 says:
Homicides and unions ruining the town.. I swear I didn't click on detroit.com (www.clickondetroit.com)
8/26/2014 6:35:03 PM
progress now says:
The case for mediation is looking better and better.
8/26/2014 6:39:51 PM
Wile E. says:
I looked it up and Bombardier has over 68,000 employees. I hope the employees get close to what they want but I also hope they don't strike themselves out of a job. It appears 700+ people could be expendable for a company that netted 2 Billion dollars last year. Correct me if I'm wrong. Just forming my opinion off Wikipedia.
8/26/2014 6:43:21 PM
blackbird says:
2012 Quebec Bombardier went on strike, for the same reasons, with only 300 Union members not giving in, Bombardier did. It would be sad but all the skilled labour, Trades mostly have left Thunder Bay for Alberta, and if Bombardier wants to leave for such frivolous reasons, Bye, Bye there's always Alberta.
8/26/2014 7:24:56 PM
SOCRATES1 says:
Kiss goodbye Bombardier from Thunder Bay.....................
Good Job UNIFOR (CAW) you are about to shut down another plant..................
8/26/2014 6:44:46 PM
Unions_Are says:
Brothers and Sisters, Unity and Solidarity wins after all. The Bashers and Fear Mongers' will now be crying Bye, Bye Bombardier Unions Fault. We Have something they don't and it's eating them up. This is not UNIFOR, This is 612 Families, they just don't get it. Surely it's not that hard to understand.
Bring in the Arbitrator, that's right Basher's it's a process, it's not over!
8/26/2014 6:50:18 PM
moonpie says:
Geez get over it man, you sound ridiculous. Its a big world out there with a lot more important things going on. A strike in some little city with a few hundred people is really only important to you, no need to pop a blood vessel trying to convince everyone else to care.
8/26/2014 7:41:34 PM
blackbird says:
You Know how loony you sound, have you ever heard of pattern bargaining, do you have a inky idea of how many unions there are involved with bombardier in Canada, U.S.A the world...making unintelligible comments against someone who what I've seen hasn't called you names unless he is right, why don't YOU stop trying to convince everyone ie." Nonsense. You offer people a buffet and if they don't like anything on the table, too bad, that's all their is. You can only offer so much before you have to say tough, starve then." really jeez who are you trying to convince, you've already blown a fuse, relax!
8/26/2014 8:15:15 PM
moonpie says:
What you don't seem to understand is that no one is obligated to give you anything. You have a choice - work for what's in front of you, or don't work. Period. Bombardier doesn't owe you anything so be thankful for what you have. Do you understand the buffet reference? You can keep demanding more and more but if that's all there is, that's all there is. You either accept it and be thankful or keep pounding your fists on the table demanding more and end up going home hungry. I haven't blown a fuse, I'm just tired of the attitude that you think you're entitled. Be grateful you have something because there are many out there who have nothing.
8/27/2014 12:56:14 AM
Royalflush says:
Union isn't asking for more moonbeam, its Bombardier that is asking for more. Get it right. Bombardier does owe the workers a decent contract without slashing what they already have. Without workers there are no products, without products there are no profits. Its the workers that offer Bombardier the buffet, of which they keep demanding more, not tne other way around. But I doubt that you will be able to see that with your blinders on.
8/27/2014 2:59:42 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Why even try to explain...HE HAS SHUT DOWN.
8/27/2014 11:14:06 AM
jimmyjam says:
good thing burger king just bought out timmies! jobs for everyone..
8/26/2014 6:53:29 PM
SamIAm says:
For all you keyboard trolls that do not work at Bombardier and are not part of Unifor , thanks for nothing. Wishing for Bombardier to leave Thunder Bay and for everyone working there to lose their jobs just shows how childish you truly are. Instead of hiding behind your keyboard come down to the strike line and voice your opinion
8/26/2014 6:53:58 PM
Tbaymom. says:
The union and the workers are playing a dangerous game that affects more then them. Other people work at that plant. Local suppliers will also be affected. The union and the workers need to stop being greedy or everyone at the plant will be looking for work.
8/26/2014 7:03:35 PM
Jasper says:
Adios amigos. Good news is that the stock price will increase with cheaper Mexican wages.
8/26/2014 7:05:08 PM
OneBTBrother says:
I hope my fellow Unifor 1075 brothers know what they are doing, I voted in favor of the contract and don't need the plant closing and 900 union members on the unemployment line. I hope that Jerry Dias stays in town to support his union and get the company and Mr. Rivers back to the negotiation table instead of flying back Toronto until the members need another pep talk. The membership talks big now but how long can they keep striking? Time to concider crossing the picket line to feed our families and pay the mortgage.
8/26/2014 7:08:48 PM
blackbird says:
Very Sad Brother, but "damanisback" has personally reached out to help you, all you needed to do was ask, why worry about Dias your local brothers and sisters are with you and will help, No Family Will Starve...That's What Unions Are For. This is what Our Bombardier Boss has Said "It is now my sole responsibility to shift our focus from fighting to get the Thunder Bay work force back to work" You not Dias fought the Good Fight...Unity Bro

8/26/2014 11:37:02 PM
tbaybbdtworker says:
Did you seriously only read half the quote?
"..it is now my sole responsibility to shift our focus from fighting to get the Thunder Bay work force back to work.."

"...to ensuring that Bombardier's customer contracts and commitments are fully met; utilizing all of our multiple resources to do so,"

He's not saying he's shifting focus from 'fighting' to getting the thunder bay work force back to work..

He said he's shifting from 'fighting for us to get back to work
8/27/2014 4:21:55 AM
tiredofit says:
Really Blackbird? Are you personally going to support your brothers and sisters financially when they can't make the bills? Good for you. Must be nice if you can, however most can't and will look after #1 first and foremost.

I've gone through strikes and have personally experienced when a shop pulls up stakes because of a Union being stubborn in Southern Ontario.

Are your Union leaders (Unifor National) living on strike pay? Doubt it, they're all probably making $80k a year plus plus plus. But they support you in sprit don't they!

I can honestly see at minimum a portion of the production being moved off site, be it for stability or reduced costs, it's going to happen, then what?

I have friends on the line right now, some support it, some don't. The one thing I do know, they are all starting to hurt financially.
8/27/2014 8:44:48 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Really, Tiredofit & tbaybbdtworker I and most other college graduates read it 100% different then you did and yes we are personally helping those who need it, don't you read...ohh you only believe one side and not the other. I'm a over 40 year union member and one company worker and could honesty say I've been there, and a lot more times and for longer periods then you two digits. I'm retired but I'll be at that line if brothers need help, we all do not have to prove anything to you two. Suffering, well in a battle for rights you need to show a little balls, ie. in a war to win people die, they lose lives. In strikes people financially suffer, I have but in the long run I and my friends have benefited from it.
Don't believe it, REALLY WE DON'T CARE.
Over 600 FAMILY lives are suffering not just "tiredofit" &"tbaybbdtworker".

Your comments sound like a broken record. And from now on You will be ignored.
8/27/2014 11:04:45 AM
rolling wind says:
united we stand divided we fall...solidarity sisters and brothers..
8/26/2014 7:11:27 PM
hockeyday says:
hey I think it was a great idea hiring a local media relations mouth piece to run around taking shots at the union - look how many people it turned? A little more media face time and Saturday releases and I'm sure next vote will be under 80 percent rejection. Go back the USA rivers!!1
8/26/2014 7:15:04 PM
Tbay_politics says:
You do realize the Aaron Rivers isn't even on the bargaining committee, right?
8/27/2014 9:51:44 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Neither is Dios...Rivers Choose and Runs the Bargaining Committee! Rivers doesn't even Speak For Himself. Rivers Hired a PR to write his statements and speak for him, just like a Politician
8/27/2014 11:30:47 AM
Tbay_politics says:
If you're not involved, as claim further down, then why would you continue to bring up Jerry Dias, when nobaody else has? And how would you know whether or not he's on the bargaining committee? Also, the PR firm has been in place for years, even before Aaron Rivers was hired sometime last year (just google search press releases from a few years ago). Measured releases and pressers are common practice for large companies, not just politicians.
8/27/2014 12:13:32 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Read What You Are Saying,and what is written.Open your mind to both sides NOT ONE.
Don't imagine one thing was written when it wasn't ie - Where does anyone say that Aaron Rivers was on the Bargaining Committee?
He's the Manager.What Is his Job? Dias 's name is popping up everywhere from the one-sided commentator's exploiting his position, ie: bttnk. Mr. Rivers has someone else speak for him, Know what a Hired PR firm does, and I really don't care if they have been in place for years, They Read, Analyze and attempt to sway Public Opinion through the media, and designed written letters.They used the members children to sway the vote. From his letter "This is an important decision that impacts your families and children today and into the future." This my friend from someone not evolved...is unfair and obscene tactics. I comment because what I read, You for instance do not make sense. My time in the work force is over, I express no hatred or loyalty to either side of this dispute.
8/27/2014 1:57:19 PM
Tbay_politics says:
@Oliver Paipoonge Resident. Why do I feel like this is a personal attack against myself and others that are not as supportive of the decision?? You say "I express no hatred or loyalty to either side of this dispute", but then say: Re: above; "I'll be at that line if brothers need help, we all do not have to prove anything to you two". Re: to pro-union song below; "Amen, Brother, Amen". Re: to comments critical of union position above; "Your comments sound like a broken record. And from now on You will be ignored".

As you say "Open your mind to both sides NOT ONE"... Kettle, meet Pot.
I am not retired and infact my family is directly affected by this strike. So perhaps I have considered BOTH sides and just formed an opinion that isn't inline with your own. That doesn't make it ignorant, nor wrong. Just different, but as you point out, it's probably not going to change anything...

8/27/2014 4:24:48 PM
Unions_Are says:
@ Oliver Paipoonge Resident and any One who needs to know the facts and not fiction.
I apologize, it seems I might have occasionally trigger some reaction that urked, peeved a few commentators(no Names), in this case, a comment and question towards what was reported. I commented in a honest but true comical way of what the manager said. You got caught up in this from a peeved Egocentrism commentator. I did not elicit or expected a reaction and I sincerely apologize. Your years of loyalty to the company has paid off and we truly congradulate you. In the heat of the moment certain things are said that draws them in to reply, what I consider and call Comment Dissection, but to use other Commentator's Ideas and slogans for their benefit, is showing no imagination and the laziness of the generation we have today. No wonder they have issues, problems with getting good paying jobs and envious of those who do. If anyone comments to this, then it's the truth and it'll urk them. Tit for Tat.
8/27/2014 10:27:08 PM
blackbird says:
You keep telling everyone Aaron Rivers is not on the bargaining committee, who said he did? I've read your sarcastic opinion prior to the vote:. One thing for sure, Bombardier sure got a taste of Union Solidarity Thunder Bay style., Hurts doesn't it. In other matter's you again are quite wrong. I know, it's tough when something occurs that you don't believe in. Keep Speculating sooner or later it'll come true, just not in your life time. Ohh, yeah I'm Involved.
8/27/2014 2:23:32 PM
loring says:
thanks union brother and sisters for making a very difficult decision in very tough times
8/26/2014 7:32:36 PM
supersavage says:
Another union member here.

Good job union brothers and sisters.

Don't give up! This is what the company is scared to see!
8/26/2014 7:36:59 PM
Deluxecustom says:
The point I was making was, they (patco) thought they had their boss (federal govt) over a barrel. They thought that they were irreplaceable,
They were also negotiating (among other this) higher wages and a 32 hr work week.
Direct parallel comparisons wasn't the point here, but you superior intellects must have made that all on your own? Right?
Or, maybe not. At any rate. The repercussions were also not the point. Sure disruptions were caused but the FAA still kept 50% of scheduled flights in the air. Still, 11340 people kicking dog turds down the road. Remember Safeway? There's no way they'll close brand new stores!!
Oh well. But fruit salad is what they got!!
8/26/2014 7:43:04 PM
Royalflush says:
They may have fired them, but where do you think they got replacement air traffic controllers from, off the street corner? They rehired them at less pay of course. That was plain and simple bully tactics by the Reagan government. They did it because they could, not because they were right. They suspended free and legal bargaining, just like any tin pot dictatorship, which only shows that they were deperate and had run out of ideas.
8/28/2014 1:25:19 AM
enos012 says:
A little of topic but I haven't heard UNITY and BROTHERS and SISTERS being thrown around so much except in a church. Now take what you are saying and apply this one incident across the wrold in many factions of life and you will see the problem the plagues us all...you may not like the 'compnay' but they are still your brother and sister just trying to live another way. The problem is the business greed and every trying to make a buck of each other...
8/26/2014 7:43:58 PM
reese says:
tu hablas espanol?
8/26/2014 7:53:28 PM
JJLXL says:
It's astounding just how ignorant the general public is of what is going on at Bombardier.

Unifor is fighting to keep what they already had in the previous contract, not going after more. Unless you count a mere 20 cent raise over 3 years as greedy?

No, the company is the greedy one here, with their "take it or leave it" tactics.

I urge the knee-jerk reaction people to educate themselves before making assumptions.
8/26/2014 7:56:55 PM
djs says:
Way too much testosterone on both sides of the table...I can see the peacocks spreading their tail feathers and stomping their feet in an effort to be noticed. Both sides need to NEGOTIATE. If the issue is pension for future workers, then what is going to be offered to them as incentive? 350.00 payout? That is a joke in today's market, especially since they are making plans for an event that won't happen for 25 years or more for these workers and there will be many negotiations between now and then. This is a cut and dried case of divide and conquer where the company chips away at what the weakest would receive knowing that, in most cases, as long as the rest are safe, they usually agree to it. The joy of "grandfathering clauses". Eventually, there isn't much left to grandfather...
8/26/2014 8:03:16 PM
Union4ever says:
Sure is funny the amount of comments on this post
That never read the whole story,,, mr rivers said Monday
They might be out 8 ,10,12 weeks, and how he changed his tune in today's comments, after the vote was reflected ,he will do what it takes to resolve
This dispute to keep the costumer happy!
Way to go my can-car friends, stay strong and stick together!
8/26/2014 8:15:54 PM
jaxoon says:
Read it again. That's not what was quoted in this article. He said the exact opposite. No tune change.
8/27/2014 9:57:06 AM
hotchoc says:
I will not comment on the vote directly. I will let the quotes of the members who voted no, do that for me.

Force the company back to the table

Good job union brothers and sisters

300 union members not giving in, Bombardier did

The case for mediation is looking better and better--- ( like it is somehow a law )

united we stand, divided we fall


Yes, because you folk are going to bring Bombardier to its knees. Your group is going to make them capitulate.

Mr. Rivers, an American running this firm up here is going to cave to the group from where??????

Your union should have remained at work under the old contract and either forced Bombardier to provide a contract you could live with, or forced them to lock you out.

You really miscalculated as I read in other stories, you are being used as pawns in Unifor's efforts to get an auto plant in Toronto certified.

You are taking a very large risk for your families.

An extremely large risk
8/26/2014 8:18:00 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Really don't understand your comment, why don't you copy and paste the ignorant comments towards, Dias, Unifor, Local 1075...Ohhh, you only read what you want to read...
I'm not envolved but to my understanding, the only miscalculation is from Mr. Rivers and Bombardier in thinking that the Union is not United. Am I not seeing it here in this situation.
The Risk of losing Thousands to the Companies Risk of losing Millions, both parties not just the union would benefit to negotiate the differences. It would Benefit the companies Bottom Line and spruce up moral for the people who build their products. Makes Sense? or am I wasting my time.
8/27/2014 11:45:57 AM
onebyside says:
Ironworkers Local #759 supports our UNIFOR brothers and sisters in the struggle.
8/26/2014 8:24:57 PM
damanisback says:
onebtbrother-a strike is hard on all of us.but to consider crossing the line to feed your family-think again.im a picket captain on wed midnight shift come talk to me and i will help you to feed your family and give you some solid advice -we are all in
this together. my brother
8/26/2014 8:30:24 PM
bttnk says:
Jerry Dias is already on a flight back to his mansion in Southern Ontario where he will continue to collect his six figure salary well 900 workers struggle to pay the bills in Thunder Bay.

Good luck to you all....
8/26/2014 8:50:08 PM
toblerone says:
Very disappointed. As a Cope employee I have always supported and will continue to support you. I felt very bad for the majorty of the workers, feeling that you never got a chance to make your own choice. This was an excellent opportunity for you to make an informed choice. I feel that you have made a big mistake. There is not a chance that I would put my families livelihood ahead of future employees. Any new employee can weigh their own options as to whether or not they can accept the benefit package. My job now, and the future of this plant is probably on the line. This fight is a lose lose situation and you have already paid too big a price.....for what?
8/26/2014 8:55:34 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
As a Unifor member I am disappointed Cope has made their choice to wait a year after your contract was due before starting your negotiations for a new contract. You have not had a strike vote to my knowledge. You lead me and many to believe that you want Unifor to pave the way for your own negotiations. This fight is based on one mans dictatorship, the lack of communications and negotiations. Failure to even listen to what the membership
is asking. (which is nothing more than what we had) We don't need to be clothed we need to have benefits just as they were. For the company to save $200,000 for the coarse of 3 years for lesser benefit is just a complete insult. We stood our ground for something that is just fair, nothing more than that. You as a union worker should have some back bone and take a stand instead of waiting a year to do so. Very misinformed are you.
8/26/2014 10:13:35 PM
my 2 cents says:
The whole premise behind the vote is for workers to make their choice known. Just because the outcome conflicts with your personal feelings is not an indication of uninformed voters.
I have a hard time accepting that the "majority of the workers" agree with you when the vote clearly establishes the opposite. Maybe you should try not to contradict yourself within a 1 paragraph response.
But then the remainder of the paragraph sums it up accurately....this is all about how it affects you. The lack of empathy is mind boggling. Tell me, how is this a show of support for the striking workers?
8/27/2014 12:49:08 PM
JJLXL says:
toblerone: We DID make an informed decision. The fact that you think otherwise is ridiculous. Also the fact that you're siding with the company's greed is disgusting. 70% of us stand to be affected by the pension changes. All those hired after December 31 2010 would receive no post-retirement benefits. Instead we'll be given a pay out of $350. Cause you know, that'll cover what benefits would have right?? /sarcasm Not to mention the many other concessions the company is seeking. Did you even read the proposal? We're mainly just fighting to keep what we already had! Just you wait till your year of putting off negotiations is up. You'll see what we had to go through. And I pity you when it happens.
8/26/2014 9:43:43 PM
bttnk says:
@JJLXL - How exactly do 70% of you stand to be impacted by pension changes that are very clearly only for those hired after May 31, 2014? Please explain.
8/27/2014 9:12:57 AM
Tbay_politics says:
Wrong. All those hired after December 31 2010 would receive a pay-out instead of EARLY retirement benefits. Early is the key word here. Not even the ontario teachers union (which is constantly under attack for being too greedy) receives funded benefits for early retirement; they have to purchase private benefits until pension benefits kick in at age 65. If you can afford to retire EARLY, you can afford to buy your own benefits for a couple of years. Clearly you did NOT make an informed decision...
8/27/2014 9:17:46 AM
Anvil of Crom says:
well the union has spoken and nuff said,.
8/26/2014 9:44:41 PM
Dirt says:
You are correct it is none of our business but some of us on here have seen the downside of unions when a company decides enough is enough . As important as everyone thinks they are to a business, many people over the years have learned ANYONE is replaceable Yes it may be a bit tough going but it is doable and it usually turns out with better options for the company. I wouldn't be surprised to see a long line of yellow buses with replacement workers rolling down Montreal St soon. Good luck in your strike folks just don't ask for our community support. You made you bed now you have to lay in it.
8/26/2014 9:49:11 PM
Unions_Are says:
You Know I would have to concede with the first part of your comment, your right...In the company's vision we are all just a number. Everyone is replaceable...except in your second half of your comment.
Mr. Rivers now says quote " it is now my sole responsibility to shift our focus from fighting to get the Thunder Bay work force back to work " Those Yellow Buses will be driving the replacement workers if there was any down Neebing Ave. to the airport. We are also thankful to the many locals in the community and Toronto for their ongoing support and so, so sorry we couldn't get yours. It really hurts our feelings. And also the union brothers who have reached out to help brothers in need...you got me in tears, unbelievable what brotherhood & sisterhood can achieve.

8/26/2014 11:15:27 PM
tbaybbdtworker says:
Did you seriously only read half the quote?
"..it is now my sole responsibility to shift our focus from fighting to get the Thunder Bay work force back to work.."

"...to ensuring that Bombardier's customer contracts and commitments are fully met; utilizing all of our multiple resources to do so,"

He's not saying he's shifting focus from 'fighting' to getting the thunder bay work force back to work..

He said he's shifting from 'fighting for us to get back to work' to 'ensuring that the contracts and commitments are met no matter what' AKA using a different plant!!!!!!!
8/27/2014 4:27:09 AM
nvjgu says:
In support of Unifor. Member of Sheet Metal Workers S.M.W.I.A local 30 Toronto.
8/26/2014 9:50:02 PM
damanisback says:
toblerone- thank you for your support. Please take some advice from a striking uniform member. Your union is next to bargain (whether its this year or next).The Company wont bargain with you, only give you an offer full of concessions and use the same fear tactics to divide your members that they are using on us. WE will also support you when you are forced out as well. best of luck bargaining with a company who "VALUES IT'S EMPLOYEES". Bank some money now and keep your head held high. Its a fight worth fighting.
8/26/2014 9:56:52 PM
Joey_J says:
Wow. I was wrong. I thought it would be a 50-40 something split on this vote that would prove highly divisive. Looks like Unifor managed to hold them together.

8/26/2014 10:08:22 PM
watchful says:
You constantly spout corporate greed, call non union workers stupid, say we are all non supportive, that Bombardier must keep their product Canadian made. How ironic that many of you delight in out shopping in the states claiming small businesses rip you off. I wonder who is greedy
8/26/2014 10:59:16 PM
blueox says:
You know, basically it's over..I suggest you read Bombardier Mr. Rivers comment at the top. Unlike you I read all the comments.
You sir wrote on the Aug 8th article
"Union members, you get what you ask for no jobs" Again on Aug 12th's Article
"Spoiled little brats, this will bite you in the butt. You work for the company not vice versa and you are all expendable"
Again on Aug 20th's Article
"you and your union brothers are so very insulting to all other non union workers. You label them stupid, uneducated. How dare any of you go into a place of business and expect service from all the people you have insulted.I for one will remember and if this plant closes it will be interesting who comes job hunting. Oh and next time you go for dinner, don't forget your Bombardier Union shirt so everyone knows who you are, I am sure they will love serving those that have put them down as uneducated and undeserving of any pride.
continued...
8/27/2014 12:53:55 AM
blueox says:
Continued...
You Wrote Aug 21st Article
"The politicians have no business taking sides, showing support or not is not what they are elected to do. This is your strike, you asked for it and now you live with it. Heck even Toronto is laughing. Go back to Montreal Ave where you belong. If you are so jealous over what management makes, get educated and move up the ranks."

You forgot to mention all the Spouting from the goon squad that you belong to. There's been some nasty comments from both sides including your own. Now that the negotiation's are to continue grow up! This hatred is not healthy, take it from a highly paid pensioner who was in a Union, Thank God.
8/27/2014 1:02:55 AM
FormerLatter says:
The sounds of lunatics and their incessant droning of easily repeatable mantras: ”Brothers and Sisters". Where was this solidarity when contracts aren't on the line. Where is this when the work is being done? Get a grip. I am one for socialism and social institutions, but its sounding very cultish now. Get a room for you brothers and sisters, preferably one with locks on the outside, plenty of padding, no windows and no internet!
8/27/2014 12:55:46 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Enough Said...
8/27/2014 11:11:03 AM
j_northey says:
Bombardier gets most of its Canadian contracts via the fact it hires in Canada, and ones from Toronto often due to the fact they are in Ontario. The union does have more power than most unions would have due to this fact. If the company is in deep financial trouble, thus needing to cut future costs or projects problems then they should release that info the union in an effort to reach a deal. However, if they don't project that and are just being greedy...well...then they deserve to lose a lot of money and some top workers who go elsewhere during the strike.
8/27/2014 1:26:25 AM
humnchuck says:
There aren't many light rail/subway/tram car producers around - Bombardier and Alstom are two of the big multinationals, although I don't think Alstom does production in North America.

Bombardier benefits from Ontario tenders (I.e. from TTC or Go Transit) because of Canadian content rules. It's also good politics and public relations to purchase from within-province given that it's public funds paying the bill. There's also significant historical precedent - BBD locally has produced Go Transit and TTC vehicles for many years. BBD has also produced rail cars for a number of places in the US historically.

BBD hires in Ontario because they have several manufacturing facilities here along with Quebec. It would be rather expensive to find qualified out-of-province workers and have to move them to Ontario.

BBD's 1st quarter profits were something like $214m in 2014. I highly doubt they're losing money. This is all about maximizing profits by cutting labour costs.
8/27/2014 11:51:01 AM
Thook says:
This site needs a name policy. Anyone can be a keyboard warrior. If you have an opinion, that's great. If your not willing to put your name next to what you say, shut up.
Tj
8/27/2014 4:27:47 AM
unknowncronik says:
start watching kijiji for some great deals...

this strike will end in these guys wishing they would have accepted the last offer when they go out and find jobs in this city are scarce & they won't be making over $15 an hour anymore...
It's gonna be a tight x-mas for many this year for many
8/27/2014 6:30:07 AM
jonthunder says:
I would be surprised if the company backs away from the core pension plan change from defined to a contribution pension plan; that is the trend these days. The workers exercised their democratic and collective bargaining rights, and all will now see how the poker game plays out; bluff or no bluff?
8/27/2014 7:38:31 AM
boofer69 says:
I called this yesterday. Anyone want my next prediction?
8/27/2014 8:46:50 AM
ibrando says:
You had a 50% chance of getting this right. As for your next prediction, you can be replaced with a coin!
8/27/2014 9:46:19 AM
boofer69 says:
50%? Have you been watching what is actually going on?
I'm no psychic, but it seems people don't want to believe what is happening here.
8/27/2014 11:35:11 AM
kensington says:
Don't listen to the timid haters who are all afraid to stand up for what's right..your dignity and self respect! Babies and cowards run when tyrant companies bark but you didn't even in the face of an unknown result and torment from others. No matter what YOU have your pride in standing up to Goliath..victory will be sweet..ROUND OF APPLAUSE !!!
8/27/2014 9:41:59 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Amen, Brother, Amen
8/27/2014 10:44:17 AM
Bob Roberts says:
Wow now its time for some speculation. Unifor managed to hold its members strong with a NO vote. Next and Last Final offer, removal of the COLA increases, more concessions on the table. No quick resolution to strike. Now the company can consider the relocation of manufacturing to another facility while getting corporate Tax breaks and Tax credits and multi-level's of Government financial incentives and handouts to build a newer world class showcase state of the art diversified manufacturing facility. Yup UNIFOR national union is showing that they mean business. Maybe its time for UNIFOR to come up with a Shared Cost Post retirement co-benefits plan for thier members. Im pretty sure that majority of all Canadain companies will no longer be offering Post Retirement Drug,Eye Glass,Medical benefits to any retiring employees going forward. Its going to happen to CUPE and other Union workers, and its happending to NON UNION workers and Management types as well. NEW business economics 101.
8/27/2014 10:34:00 AM
savage says:
How many in this day and age have a 0% employee contribution pension plan. I'm gonna guess very few. Companies cant offer these anymore. Look at what happened to the big American companies that had them. They folded or changed the plan.
Management can't give in to the Thunder Bay workers. If they give in here they have to give in to every other plant and union as well. Thunder Bay is just a pawn in the big picture.
8/27/2014 10:56:29 AM
moi says:
Unifor local 1075 must now live with the consequences of their actions..they made their bed,let them lay in it.
Whatever sympathy we had for Unifor local 1075 is long gone.
If this subject is revisited in say..December or January, the only thing I'd ask the circle walkers is, "how's that strike thingy wurkin' for ya? Find another job yet?".
Now that you've shown Bombardier that you could care less about keeping a job with benefits and a decent wage, good luck in finding similar employment elsewhere.I don't feel sorry for any of the strikers.Even with a spouse or partner working,your standard of living has just been cut in half.Good luck circle walkers--trust me..you'll need it to find another job. And when Bombardier mothballs the plant,we can thank unifor local 1075 for that.Adios Amigos.
8/27/2014 11:11:46 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
Bombardier has money to pay for radio advertisements to try and mislead the public but of course no money when it comes to dealing with the union and its workers. Just another gutless corporation trying to bleed out the workers as much as possible.
8/27/2014 11:33:18 AM
Jack Frost says:
1872 - Labour Unions Become Legal in Canada.

If it were not for the Union Labour movement, there would NOT be a "middle-class" !!

Unions and their blue-collar workers once put the "THUNDER" in this now Thunderless Bay of today with no more heavy unionized industry.

Remember this, Unions have always set the bar for all by what Unions and their members fight for today will eventually be enjoyed and benefitted by all Non-Union workers of tomorrow...

Thunderless Bay happens to be a very "middle-class" blue-collar community thanks to the many years of pro unions and their workers...

I am a Proud Trade Union member and a T-shirt N' jeans citizen of this very Blue-Collar community !!

The decline of unions will lead to decline of middle class...

There is a reason for Labour Day in Canada !!

Long live the Union Labour movement in this great Canada of ours !!

http://www.canadashistory.ca/Magazine/Online-Exclusive/Articles/The-First-Labour-Day
8/27/2014 12:07:49 PM
Ta Da says:
Unifor would do well to look back at the foolish USW action in the strike with Vale in 2011.
Vale needed the same pension changes, USW said NO! And a years lost wages later they said YES to the changes.
Accept that these changes are realistic and needed.
8/27/2014 1:58:03 PM
blackbird says:
Unifor...Local 1050 do not have to go back to 2011...Let's just deal with the world's only manufacture of both trains and planes...Bombardier. and let's be truly realistic

Nov 1st, 2012...Bombardier workers strike at Quebec rail equipment plant

Nov 22, 2012...Striking Quebec rail workers reject Bombardier’s final contract offer

Dec 1st, 2012...Bombardier included a 12.5 per cent wage increase over five years, a $9-million pension plan contribution that would raise employee benefits by 18 per cent and a commitment to invest $3 million in new state-of-the-art laser welding technology that would return some jobs that were outsourced to the United States.

Dec 3rd, 2012...Union back working

If 300 union workers could achieve this against a giant global company and get more then T.B Bombardier...who's Foolish?
8/27/2014 5:00:08 PM
working_man says:
Well, i'd say this goes till hmmmmm March?? Settle for same deal as offered and voted on Tuesday.
Remember what I said earlier, The coldest place on earth in Jan and Feb is a parking lot on Montreal St.
Good Luck to all.
BTW anybody selling a snow machine??
8/27/2014 2:34:56 PM
mystified says:

Can you try to get a little more ignorant. They are not down yet but you're gonna kick them anyways.
8/28/2014 2:10:34 AM
kwilliams162 says:
I've pent most of my professional career working for private sector companies that were non-unionized, but I have worked within unions as well. There was a time when you needed a union to ensure working conditions were safe and that production was met with adequate financial reward. Now I profess that I don't know all of the particulars, but safe to say that Bombardier employees make a decent wage with benefits and pension. The alternative would see many working for far less in town, or subsequently having to relocate to keep on par. While I can appreciate the union members solidarity, I can't help but wonder whether all this talk about corporate greed is misguided. As a public sector employee in a non-unionized workforce, I've had my wages frozen for 3 years and honestly even if we had been unionized I would have welcomed the wage freeze simply from the perspective that I still had a job and was able to pay my bills and provide for my children. Perhaps the union should consider this!
8/27/2014 2:59:44 PM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
And its that passive attitude that will one day have your kids working 3 jobs just to pay the bills.
8/28/2014 9:06:52 AM
blueox says:
Passive or not it's his opinion, I've spent my entire professional career in a union working environment, over 40 years, Thank the Lord! Unions are a necessity now more than ever due to downsizing, closing of depts. for example...the headaches of seniority,experience retirements is a headache for the company, especially when they cut HR also. So many mix-ups and the union usually smooth's it out.
I believe his understanding of 'Corporate greed" might not be the same as the Union sees it. Corporate greed is the wasteful spending by selfish decision makers in Large businesses.
IE: Huge Salaries, Golden Handshakes, Bad Investments, perks. What I see happening is that Local 1075 is not on strike for more, but on strike to not lose what they have gain from 2 years ago, a freeze they might accept if the company would negotiate. The Company is out to Exploit the Union. They are not suffering any worst then 2 years ago when they conceited. The Company should consider this.
8/28/2014 8:37:17 PM
fools annoy me says:
I love how most of the poster/haters here assume that everyone in a union job has little or no education but they scream bloody murder if you assume THEY have no education or a dead end job. Hilarious double standards. I only wish these same haters would allow their keyboards to cool off while the people actually affected by the strike try and settle this labour dispute. Amazing how so many are jealous of anyone else making more than minimum wage. Does it make you feel more important to try and tear everyone else down to your level? If it weren't for the good paying labour jobs in this town, most of your services wouldn't even be located here. You need the middle class to carry/support the service industry. There's a reason workers make more than minimum wage, we work in dirtier jobs, poorer hours, see our families less and live a shorter life because of it. You couldn't/wouldn't handle that so get real.
8/27/2014 4:34:06 PM
donnybrook says:
Who are you fooling? Roofers make less than you and work harder than you likely ever will. I don't think anyone is jealous of your wages because its no more than the average middle class. Nurses make more than you do, are you jealous of them? You should keep your snide remarks to yourself if you don't want to be one of the fools that annoy you.
8/27/2014 6:57:56 PM
fools annoy me says:
I believe blackbird stated it correctly. I can only say from your comments, that you should be more informed before exercising those keyboard muscles. Till then, you annoy me.
8/28/2014 9:08:56 PM
blackbird says:
I'll be replying to you, not the peanut gallery, sorry I just don't know how to describe it.
I've been a roofer for 2 years, it isn't that hard or exerting. At the same time going to school to get a trade, meanwhile raising a family. After 4 years in achieving that trade I applied for a unionized job requiring my trade profession and I make either the same or a little less than my Wife who is a Unionized RN at Thunder Regional. Yeah some people are envious and jealous but they can do it also, it takes HARD WORK to reach that financial security but anyone can do it, they're just too lazy.
8/28/2014 4:15:00 PM
JustMO says:
In response to "moi"... Maybe you should rephrase your comment to not feeling sorry for the strikers who voted no ... There were quite a few strikers that voted yes and quite a few who couldn't be there because they are in fact working elsewhere to stay a float and to each their own and they in their own opinions believe it's all a big ridiculous mess and they hoped they would have found themselves back to work rather than to keep struggling day to day. Just remember it was not everyone on that line who voted no, choose your words wisely and dont put them all down, just keep that in mind next time you type!!
8/27/2014 5:08:56 PM
moi says:
Perhaps, JustMO..I should have worded my comment in simpler terms, so that you might have understood it better, *sigh*-I sympathise with the workers that voted YES to the offer, and along with many other citizens have absolutely ZERO sympathy to the ones that voted NO to Bombardier's offer(my bad for not making that point clearer).I've belonged to a union before,and been on strike before-I speak from experience,when I say I don't feel sorry for any of the circle walkers that voted to stay off the job.To the members like yourself,that voted in favour of returning to work,I hope mediation gets things back to where they're suppose to be,which is back to working fulltime.And I sincerely wish you luck in finding suitable employment elsewhere,until there's a finality to this current Missouri standoff.I don't think the union members that voted in favour of continuing the strike understand what they've done.I realize not everyone voted in favour of a strike,but unfortunetly what's done is done
8/27/2014 7:59:23 PM
Kelli says:
Why was my comment taken down?? Is it because 1 had over 100 people who agreed with it. I see tbt has no problem leaving the comments that trash Bombardier and Aaron Rivers up but not those who write well thought out responses. TBT is a farce!!
8/27/2014 6:18:19 PM
Leith Dunick says:
No, it's because I believe you're our resident troll, who has posted here under about 50 different user names and has been banned from commenting as a result. Well, that and the racist content of many of the posts from said troll.

Johnny, Tree, Ivan, HenryWo, Duncan S, Harold, etc. etc.
8/28/2014 12:52:48 AM
blueox says:
Well Said Leith...Kudoo's to a job well done.
8/28/2014 11:30:28 AM
moi says:
LOL...Leith, you forgot 2 other names that belong on that list..
Pie island, and Tim H.
8/29/2014 10:03:03 AM
JustMO says:
moi... No simpler terms as you state are needed I can understand quite fine thank you. I was just correcting your previous comment and if you didn't word it in the terms your choose maybe no one would have anything to say.! Thanks for making sure I understand though...
8/28/2014 8:08:20 AM
moi says:
You're welcome. Glad, you "got it".
8/29/2014 9:52:02 AM
blueox says:
This is an Opinion of the disputed Pension.
I've researched to provide best accurate Information. And I'm also receiving both forms of Pensions.
In Place is the Defined Pension (DB), this is the plan that Bombardier with the union have negotiated for. It is a secured Pension plan, and by definition a real pension plan. DB is legislated and there's a legal obligation to provide the promise amount. It is Illegal to reduce any benefit earned by active and those already retired members, though dependent on the solvency and viability of the employer.
Though only Bombardier pays into this, I assume Bombardier puts in @ 3% of the workers Annual Wage and ergo the 3% offered by Bombardier in the DC plan. Why would they want to pay more?
Bombardier's Defined-Contribution (DC) Plan in dispute and I believe the main sticking point.
To Note - IN 2011 Bombardier and CAW went on strike against this, so it's not new.

Continued...
8/28/2014 1:33:05 PM
blueox says:
Continued...
In DC plans there's NO Security, NO promised level of benefit.
All the Investment risks are transferred from the employer to the plan members.
It is basically a RRSP Plan. Employers never face any Obligation to contribute.
So all the employees will lose the present benefits and security. Ergo, the unanimous NO vote.
Bombardier did not elaborate to the people in Thunder Bay anything about that in their One Page Newspaper AD.
This will happen to the Past, Present and Future employees at Bombardier, pension Poof, gone.
This is the trend lately and over time the growing portion of new younger employees would have felt they've been "Sold out"
by the union, creating divisions, which then will be exploited by the company.
In Conclusion: To the Union Local 1075.
YOUR VALUE DOESN'T DECREASE ON CORPORATION'S OR ANYONE'S INABILITY TO SEE YOUR WORTH.
IT'S THEIR LOSS, NOT YOURS.
8/28/2014 1:40:20 PM
Unions_Are says:
DEJA VU??
Brothers and sisters who using their god given right without persuasion and threat of financial difficulties for their family and children voted in favor of the Bombardier Contract. You are still respected unlike the majority who voted against it judging from a few opinions. Let's Remember 2 yrs. ago Local 1075 found themselves in a similar situation of the company trying to push these cuts to wages, benefits and pensions particularly for new workers. Again in Aug 2011 the majority voted against going backwards and went on strike.
The day after you showed that UNITY they didn't expect and union negotiated a contract that increased wages, cost of living and pensions. After 1 day on strike you voted in favor of it and went back to work.
Even then there was the few unfavorable, discontented opinions. What's the difference maybe a new manager from U.S.I have no idea.

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/159085/Strike-over

DEJA VU?

8/28/2014 3:25:37 PM
ToldYaSo says:
Hope the union workers enjoyed the summer off. Now for your next job repeat this:
Would you like fries with that?
8/28/2014 5:52:57 PM
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