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2014-08-27 at 16:10

CLE boardroom bar to remain, president says

CLE president Danny Mosa says the organization won’t close its controversial boardroom bar, but it will be asking members with keys to the room to turn them in. In future members wishing to use the room and access the liquor cabinet will have to sign a key out ahead of time.
Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
CLE president Danny Mosa says the organization won’t close its controversial boardroom bar, but it will be asking members with keys to the room to turn them in. In future members wishing to use the room and access the liquor cabinet will have to sign a key out ahead of time.
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By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

Despite a demand from board member Ken Boshcoff to permanently shut their boardroom bar, Canadian Lakehead president Danny Mosa says it will remain open.

However, the privately-run and funded organization says it has made a policy change aimed at quieting public outcry at the bar’s existence.

Board members currently in possession of boardroom keys are being told to turn them in at the CLE office and from here on in they’ll have to seek permission during office hours to use the facility for post-business meetings.
Mosa said Boshcoff’s call was little more than political grandstanding. Boshcoff is one of four candidates seeking Thunder Bay’s mayoralty.

“It appears that only one board member wished to have the board room closed permanently and is making a political issue out of this, though he has many times frequented the board room himself,” Mosa said on Wednesday.

Mosa added the CLE is not unlike other service clubs and businesses that have an anteroom where drinks are served once official business has been conducted.

The whole issue is being blown out of proportion, he said.

“I’ve been here for 20 years and we have never abused the board room,” Mosa said. “And I don’t see what the concern is. It’s just been perceived and exposed to the city on facts that aren’t true. We don’t do anything different than any other organization in the city does.”

Mosa said the CLE’s total liquor bill to date this year is about $509. In contrast, the organization spent about $13,000 last year on soft drinks and snacks.

None of the money used to purchase these items comes from municipal or provincial coffers, he said.
“Contrary to public belief, the CLE does not receive public funds to operate.”

Members who use the facility do so in accordance to Liquor Control Board of Ontario policy, and members aren’t staggering out to their cars, too drunk to drive.

“We’re responsible citizens. We don’t want to go out there and kill somebody, get charged with impaired driving. The consequences are severe and we don’t want that happening to anyone here.”

Boshcoff, who was unable to attend Tuesday night’s meeting, earlier in the day sent a letter to the board office, imploring the organization to put an end to the bar.

“The public will only be satisfied with a closure,” he said.


 


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Blah blah says:
Who really cares..People have meetings with liquor, wow
8/27/2014 4:26:01 PM
octane says:
Does the CLE pay the normal property tax rate to the city?? or do they still pay no tax as it was meant for agriculture.
8/27/2014 4:33:21 PM
Mrbusinessman says:
The CLE board is an " old boys club " who's day has come & gone! The reluctance to eliminate the bar, and the public statement that they can and will keep it if they want it just proves it. Surely they can wait till they get home from their meeting for that drink or two! I attend many meeting in the city and this is the only board that I know of that has such a set up!
8/27/2014 4:56:13 PM
Glitterbug says:
This is excellent news!
8/27/2014 5:00:54 PM
tic says:
Wow these people really want that bar there! Oddly enough for some reason with all the complaints about it you would think the responsible thing to do would be to remove it. Not defend it.
8/27/2014 5:19:32 PM
djs says:
So, I guess the next question would be, "What other organizations on par with the CLE organization also have a bar that they access after their meetings?" How are their bars funded? Was the 13,000 spent on soft drinks and snacks for the board meetings??? If so, this might be a larger issue???
8/27/2014 6:05:21 PM
Dirt says:
Another organization that won't get one red cent in support from me. You have money for booze but not enough to pay the full tax base? An old boys club that the membership has to hold responsible. $13,000 in soft drinks and snacks ? Time to open the books up and while they are at it see if entitled they should still be eligible for their agricultural status
8/27/2014 6:11:49 PM
crypto says:
I don't think I'm totally in the loop here...

The article mentions the CLE is "privately-run and funded". Why is everyone so concerned about them having access to a bar during their meetings?
8/27/2014 6:29:53 PM
downtownie says:
This is a private establishment just like a Canadian Legion or membership buildings. Why does the public need to know what is going on? All other Legions or Halls have Bars/liquror lic. in the facility. This is a not need to know unless you are in the membership. This is a media stir up started by a previous CLE board member going to the public and media raising an issue who is clearly off her rocker.
8/27/2014 9:28:16 PM
educator says:
And those bars are licensed by the LCBO and open to the public, this one is not.

It is basically an illegal booze can, yet no one seems to want to take the bull by the horns and shut it down.

Why hasn't the Alcohol And Gaming Commission obtained a warrant and shut this place down? There is certainly is enough evidence to support a writ against the CLE for operating an illegal drinking establishment.
8/28/2014 1:13:50 AM
Leith Dunick says:
Except it is licensed by the LCBO and according to Mr. Mosa, they follow the rules and regulations stipulated in said licence.
8/28/2014 8:35:35 AM
mystified says:
How does this bar affect you personally?
This bar has no bearing on the citizens of Thunder Bay. They only complain for the sake of complaining.
8/28/2014 12:21:16 PM
EJ says:
“Contrary to public belief, the CLE does not receive public funds to operate.” - a rather tough in cheek declaration since the CLE does not pay commercial property taxes like other business owners.

If it is private why is there a City Council representative?
8/27/2014 9:35:26 PM
tsb says:
The tax exemption is technically an expenditure by the city. The city could probably get well over $50,000 in taxes from them for that land. (The mall pays somewhere around a million.) That exemption is considered, for the city's budgetary purposes, to be an expenditure to that board, and is the reason the city is represented on the board. The city essentially spends 100% of the CLE's taxes on the CLE, but without the paperwork.
8/27/2014 11:07:04 PM
eventscentre says:
Well Ken...this did not work out very well for you. This was kind of like the dog whisperer attempting to close down an innocent dog park.
8/28/2014 7:15:29 AM
Papercut says:
WHO CARES????

Why is this an issue?

8/28/2014 9:14:32 AM
Curious says:
You are right! Now, all we need is the police to pick up one of them on impaired charges - this will settle it all - then cut the booze. If they are that desperate for a free drink, then bring your family and friends and have a blast! After all, it is all free - Time to get rid of the archaic old fogies.
9/1/2014 11:00:53 AM
prospector pete says:
How is this news?? Why waste time printing it?
I sure hope it doesn't become an election issue??
8/28/2014 10:30:29 AM
prismacolor says:
I have no idea why this is news. It's such a minor thing.

I don't know what to think about Boshcoff. I like some of things he does and stands for, but this type of nonsense and political grandstanding really annoys me. He just wants his name out in the public.

Like it or not, meetings often become social events. So what if someone has a drink?
8/31/2014 9:48:01 AM
NorternIce says:
"....We don’t do anything different than any other organization in the city does.”
Wow. I don't remember any company I ever worked for providing me with alcoholic drinks after a staff meeting. Nor do I remember the Ski Patrol opening a liquor cabinet after meetings/training sessions. My union meetings don't end with free drinks. I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift.
If the CLE is NOT publicly funded, I can't imagine the private donators think it's a great idea to feed booze to board whether it's $500 or $5000 a year. And spending $13k on refreshments (over $1000/mth) is also a tad excessive, no??
8/28/2014 11:08:06 AM
NorternIce says:
"....We don’t do anything different than any other organization in the city does.”
Wow. I don't remember any company I ever worked for providing me with alcoholic drinks after a staff meeting. Nor do I remember the Ski Patrol opening a liquor cabinet after meetings/training sessions. My union meetings don't end with free drinks. I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift.
If the CLE is NOT publicly funded, I can't imagine the private donators think it's a great idea to feed booze to board whether it's $500 or $5000 a year. And spending $13k on refreshments (over $1000/mth) is also a tad excessive, no??
8/28/2014 11:10:51 AM
smartguy83 says:
"Members who use the facility do so in accordance to Liquor Control Board of Ontario policy, and members aren’t staggering out to their cars, too drunk to drive.

“We’re responsible citizens. We don’t want to go out there and kill somebody, get charged with impaired driving. The consequences are severe and we don’t want that happening to anyone here.”"

Last I checked alcohol levels are set well below the point where you are stumbling around.
8/28/2014 2:00:23 PM
harlon says:
Seven murders and this is news??? There's a lot more important issues at stake than this nonsense.
8/28/2014 2:40:13 PM
Watchmaker says:
Do the right thing here CLE Board. There is no valid reason to close the bar and many very good ones to do so. The Chair and Board Members should be ashamed of their limp attempts to maintain this archaic throwback to the 60's and 70's.

The Chair and Board members are supposed to be leaders. They are showing leadership alright, but they are heading off in the wrong direction.
8/28/2014 5:03:10 PM
varga says:
Why is there such a NEED for alcohol in our society? It is the root of so many evils and it only takes one person to get in accident or kill someone for this to suddenly become an issue. Why take that gamble? There are plenty of places to go for a drink after a meeting if you need it that badly. I am FAR more concerned about impaired drivers killing me or a member of my family in this city than any of the murderers so far; look up the stats!! One day somebody will have one drink too many and these people will look back on this and say they were stupid for not closing the bar. Side note: If alcohol were illegal most, if not all, of this years murders likely would not have happened... just something to think about.
8/30/2014 9:53:27 AM
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