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2014-08-27 at 17:24

Supplying supplies

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- Many  striking Bombardier workers are facing their first major family expense since they hit the picket lines 44 days ago.

Students from hundreds of families are expected to be heading back to the classroom before their parents are back to work.  Unifor Local 1075 estimates around 500 of the 900 workers now on strike at the local plant have school-aged children.

That fact coupled with the looming back-to-school expenses has led other locals and unions to rally to raise more than $4,500 so far for school supplies.

"We know how expensive it is and so I sent out a letter to our affiliates," Unifor local 229 president Kari Jafford said.

Along with money people have been dropping off all kinds of supplies for kids to head back to school. Jafford said people need to realize that it isn't just the workers who are hit hard by this strike but their families and the community as a whole.

She said it's disappointing that those workers even have to be in this position.

"It's very disappointing that the right wing and the whole right corporate agenda in Canada and the United States is really on the attack of workers and working families," she said. "These good paying jobs weren't' just handed out, they were fought for and negotiated over years and years."

Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino said his members appreciate the donations and the dinner that 229 is putting on Wednesday night.

"We're very thankful for that," he said.

Around 20 per cent of those members voted for an offer by the company Tuesday night, a sign that they want to go back to work.

"It's getting difficult," he said.

But first the company and union need to get back to the table and bargain. Bombardier said it was disappointed that workers rejected the offer and that it would have to make tough decisions.

"I have no idea what they're planning. I hope what they are planning is that we go back to the bargaining table and treat us reasonably and fairly," Pasqualino said.

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Opinion13 says:
There are a lot of needy families out there in Thunder Bay that have very limited resources and choices.
8/27/2014 6:24:49 PM
boofer69 says:
20% of union member would take what they can get and be back at work. These are the people I feel the most sorry for.
8/28/2014 10:57:54 AM
sonny_jim says:
That 20% should probably leave the picket line and go work somewhere else... They applied at bombardier because of the wage, hours, and benefits that the CAW fought for over decades: they want to have their cake and eat it to. You think Bombardier would pay what they do if it wasn't for CAW?
8/28/2014 4:02:57 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
When Local 1075 and Bombardier work out their differences and work resumes, you will not see me back commenting on TBT Story's. I'm only here due to the FACT I work for a company with a union all my life, and know more than you bozo's.
When a Good Will story comes up the peanut galley swarms in to ridicule and demeanor the people involved. Is this what kids who claim to know Life's lesson, and claim to have a college degree do with their time. Before any reply's I've gone back to story's all the way to last year and you Jokers are there sharing your fanatical wisdom, DON'T YOU WORK?
TBT L.D. says there are "Resident Trolls" and now that makes sense.
This a Good Will Story and as much as I feel for that 20% I also feel for the 80% and Bombardier.
!THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE BOZO'S!
8/28/2014 5:23:01 PM
jonthunder says:
Not being disrespectful, but the company made a firm offer; it was rejected overwhelmingly by the union membership; what does the union membership propose? To just go back to the negotiating table with nothing from both sides will likely not produce a desired result in the interests of both parties. The union should table a counter proposal or accept what the company offered...that is bargaining in good faith. I lean towards the labour side, but labour must step up to the plate, the ball is in its court.
8/27/2014 6:25:23 PM
TBTNFL says:
That is exactly what the union wants. They all want the company and the union to go back to the bargaining table. This is how a contract negotiation is supposed to go. However, in Bombardier land they think they can bully, play games, demean, and demand whatever they want. The union has made counter offers but like I said, Bombardier just thinks they can demand whatever they want.
8/27/2014 11:03:19 PM
smartguy83 says:
It just sucks that you call the company bullies when it seems to be the union that will not give anything up. This is an ugly situation.
8/28/2014 9:44:00 AM
TBTNFL says:
Really? The company is asking for concessions and offering a mere 10 cent raise and you think the union is the bully for standing up for it's membership? The union shouldn't have to give anything up when the company is making money.
8/29/2014 1:52:44 AM
jonthunder says:
Addendum....the company jumped the gun with it's take it or leave it offer...it is time to get back to the back and forth of negotiations and likely mediation or voluntary binding arbitration....both sides need a wake-up call
8/27/2014 6:30:01 PM
blackbird says:
Totally agree with you, good Comment.
8/28/2014 4:40:10 PM
shippoke says:
It is truly unfortunate that we are seeing families suffer because of the culture we have become in this city. Why is it that Thunder bay continues to believe that we need unions to have good paying jobs, when it is the Unions which drives the wedge between the employee and the company. Company's and employees regularly work and thrive together all over Canada without the type of hate we are seeing in Thunder bay, This type of behavior will only change when we change..
8/27/2014 8:00:47 PM
TBTNFL says:
The answer is we do need unions. If it was up to Bombardier their employees would be paid minimum wage with table scrap benefits. If we didn't need unions the company wouldn't be asking for concessions when they are making record profits. You really have no clue what you are speaking about. Bombardier drives their own wedge between them and their employees without any help from the union. This type of behavior will only change when corporate greed comes to a winding halt. You need to remember you have managers making 200K upwards of 600K a year plus bonus and benefits complaining about people making 52K a year. It's truly unfortunate you sympathize with rich self entitled reckless managers.
8/27/2014 10:42:17 PM
smartguy83 says:
The plant loses money. If you are actually accurate, you would have said "they have recorded the smallest loss to date in the last fiscal year".

Goes to show you that even though you may be very informed on the process and each sides view points, you still are using some false information.
8/28/2014 9:46:04 AM
TBTNFL says:
Don't give me that politician answer. After any reported losses and all overhead the company had record profit. Even if this wasn't the case any loses the company reports are due to mismanagement which isn't the fault of the union membership. If you only knew what kind of dog and pony show they run in there.
8/29/2014 1:56:34 AM
educator says:
Dearest "shippoke",

Kindly point out three non-unionized companies in the city that are paying a livable wage to it's non-management employees.
8/28/2014 1:04:32 AM
smartguy83 says:
I would start with construction companies, (ASSUMING they are non-union?).

Next professional firms (lawyers, accountants, surveyors, engineers, etc.) all of which are
not covered by labour laws and are required to work endless hours with minimal benefit (typically no OT or flex time). None of which have better pension plans than the 3% offer from Bombardier.

Finally, there are some well paying jobs at TBayTel, other communication companies and many smaller research companies.

To say there are no non-union companies paying non livable wages to non-management employees is a joke. Some of these wages may not be significant but they are definitely liveable.
8/28/2014 9:51:09 AM
conker2014 says:
Any insurance broker, any accounting firm, any investment firm, any bank, any automotive dealer, licensed mechanic shops. That was not really that hard.

I challenge you to name any job with a livable wage where only high school education is the only requirement, but is not dependent on a union.

The point is uneducated people rely on others to give then good wages instead of going out and qualifying their personal value to a company. Take personal responsibility for your career instead of scraping off the negotiations of others.
8/28/2014 10:23:33 AM
TBTNFL says:
For the record most, of the younger crowd (75% of the plant) have a post secondary education. Also, sheet metal workers, welders, pipe fitter, essentially all trades start their apprenticeship with just high school education. So nice try, thanks for coming out.
8/29/2014 2:30:11 AM
Unions_Are says:
shippoke...It's unfortunate that our Unionized brothers and Sisters who are Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, Paramedic's, Police Officer's, Fire-Fighters, Dealership Auto Mechanic's and Parts shippers, Mechanical & Electrical, Steelworkers and Shipbuilders, Casino Workers and whew... sorry getting carried away. But it's unfortunate we have to go off the topic about people coming together to help each other in a difficult time to clearly a hatred to these highly, educated, trained professionals by a very few...These commenter's have opinions on every topic, they live here on TBT, this is all they do...
So let's stick to the topic...People helping People with getting their children school supplies. Again if you feel the need to comment because it urks you that I'm right.
It'll keep you from liking you own comments all day.
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8/28/2014 3:59:28 PM
progress now says:
Of note:

""I have no idea what they're planning. I hope what they are planning is that we go back to the bargaining table and treat us reasonably and fairly," Pasqualino said."

So the person who had all the answers, who advised people with families and obligations as if he had the wisdom of Solomon - has no idea what lies ahead and hopes for the best.

Really?
8/27/2014 9:15:59 PM
TBTNFL says:
I suppose you don't understand how this works. Pasqualino never said he has all the answers. He was an elected leader by the unions members. Unlike a politician he has not promised anything except he will do his best to stand up for the members of Unifor. Unless you believe in fortune tellers I doubt anyone has any clue what lies ahead. So I really don't understand what your pessimistic comment really means. Maybe you should spend your time and energy supporting these families and their cause. If you are genuinely this ignorant about this topic I'm sure you will be welcomed by Unifor if you go down and ask some questions.
8/27/2014 10:58:20 PM
progress now says:
Of note:

"Unless you believe in fortune tellers I doubt anyone has any clue what lies ahead"...

And yet look at the tone exemplified best by Eastender:

"Well they picked a fight with the wrong crowd and now they are backed into a corner, because they will have to concede on their demands in order to continue production. Where is their ace in the hole? It will be interesting to see their face saving tactics."

Did leadership ask members to join them on a voyage into uncertainty? Eastender suggests, with that vote, the battle has already been won. No talk of "can't see into the future" there.

If leadership's position was that the result of a no vote was uncertain, it doesn't seem to have gotten through.

So I like your argument, but I dismiss it.






8/28/2014 5:20:32 PM
TBTNFL says:
Lol you clearly don't know bombardier very well. Any venture with Bombardier at the helm is a voyage into uncertainty. Plus eastender only speaks for himself and does not represent the entire membership. You can dismiss it all you want, but no one not even the company has a clue how this will unfold.
8/29/2014 2:09:12 AM
Dirt says:
Very nice of your brothers and sisters and some community to step up hats off, but there was surprise to the workers this financial crunch was coming. I only hope they are not allowed to access the already limited resources (food banks, christmas cheer, toys for tots, etc) for those who truly have no means to support their families.
8/27/2014 10:31:04 PM
Count Vitriol says:
So what you (and the 41 people who agree with you so far) are saying is that you're hoping innocent children really have to suffer in order to punish their parents for voting with the union. And, moreover, the city's charitable institutions ought to be on board in ensuring that this lesson is really driven home. The very definition of right-wing humanitarianism.
8/29/2014 5:41:28 AM
blackbird says:
Count Vitriol, could not have said it any better and we should thank those who care.
PS. that 41 agreements to his callous, sarcastic opinion is a fictitious number and only a means of self-importance.
8/29/2014 12:00:09 PM
Eastender says:
You people blaming the union must all be company hacks, or just plain spineless, lilly livered, yes men. If it wasn't for unions you would all be working for slave wages. You want to win a battle you gotta be prepared to fight, and maybe sacrifice a man or two. Nothing comes easy. You are all bootlickers. Pasqualino has the guts to face up to an arrogant, bullying, egotistical, self serving, bunch of slick haired college rah rah boys who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, and think that everyone should be kissing their behinds.
Well they picked a fight with the wrong crowd and now they are backed into a corner, because they will have to concede on their demands inorder to continue production. Where is their ace in the hole? It will be interesting to see their face saving tactics.
8/27/2014 11:07:46 PM
moonpie says:
Hmm, I'm not in a union yet I make an above average income thanks to a college degree. Pasqualino is doing what he's doing because he's got people standing behind him. If he was alone those "guts" would likely fade pretty quick. He's putting on a good show for his "brothers and sisters". The wrong crowd? Backed in to a corner? That's almost comical. I'm sure you'll bring this billion dollar company to their knees in no time.
8/28/2014 1:38:52 PM
Eastender says:
Moonbeam, if it wasn't for unions, you wouldn't have a college degree, because your parents would not have been able to afford to send you to college on their slave wages. Unless you were born with that silver spoon in your mouth, you would be groveling at the masters feet for scraps of food, and working 16 hour days. Somewhere down the family line some of your ancestors were elevated to middle income status with the help of a union, either directly or indirectly. Of course Pasqualino has people standing behind him, a good leader always has good people to back him up. Thats how the world works, if he didn't have any backing , he wouldn't have anybody to lead. So your statement is pretty well redundant. So now, you tell me what this companies next move can possibly be, besides removing the concession demands, in order to get these fine people to finish building these subway cars. Move to Mexico mid production? Bring in management to complete the cars? In a corner? Yeah, kinda.
8/29/2014 1:27:00 AM
Eastender says:
I must add one more rebuttal to your assertion that the union was trying to bring the company to its knees. Mr. Pasqualino and his union members are far too intelligent to be arrogant enough to indulge in such delusional thoughts as suggested by you. No, they are struggling for their dignity, and fair treatment, by a multibillion dollar company that would love to be able to bring these folks to "their" knees. You seem to have the concept backwards. You may have a college education, which may give you a certain amount of knowledge about a very narrow field of study, but it takes more than a college education to have vision and perspective to see beyond the narrow scope of narcissistic, self serving pursuits.
8/29/2014 1:41:05 AM
blackbird says:
Eastender, I may be wrong but he said College Degree? are there any programs in Con Collage that are degree programs, I thought you have to go to University to obtain BA, Doctorate and degree's...I could be wrong it's been a long time...
8/29/2014 12:05:32 PM
Unions_Are says:
Eastender, Clearly the Story's about "Supplying Supplies" and swaying off the topic on old arguments, well your feeding their fire so to speak. We should feel that false criticism is as insignificant as an ant trying to harm an elephant. If we remain silent and detached, the criticism is given no energy.If we feel the necessity of fighting it – in a way, we give it more importance than it deserves. By remaining silent we maintain a dignity that others will come to respect, except for the few of no Concern. Thank the Locals, Businesses and fellow Union brothers and also the many locals in Hamilton and Toronto for supporting those who might need it. The company also respects us more than they know, it's just business. So don't lower yourself to that level, be cordial and keep calm. Just watch it's Irritating. Unity Bro.
8/28/2014 11:11:17 PM
Eastender says:
Thank you for your well intentioned advice unions_Are. I will certainly take it into consideration.
8/29/2014 1:44:11 AM
Ringettemom says:
I dropped off a package. $20 at superstore got ten packs of pencil crayons, 12 glue sticks, 12 erasers, 48 pencils, 2 binders and 20 packs of lined paper. I did the same last week for low income kids. I am all for parents standing up for the right to have good employment situations, especially when corporate management earns staggeringly more money than he people who produce the goods (do all the work). Even if I didn't support them NO child deserves to go to school worrying about not having supplies.
8/27/2014 11:54:30 PM
Big guy says:
The union is the workers if the local union executives are honest and don't have a big heads you can move forward and get things done if you don't have that then you don't have a chance. Good luck to the worker's
8/28/2014 9:54:17 AM
icebcold says:
its easy for all these weak people to sit on the computer calling down the union.why not stop by the line to get all the facts before opening your mouth and hiding at home. there are alot of nice people on the line that would love to talk.
8/28/2014 12:22:25 PM
doughefernan says:
How many strikers have posted comments here essentially bragging about how much more money they make then the minimum wage workers in this city, and yet we're already hearing how hard times are for them after only a month and a half? With all the money they're claiming to earn do they not have savings accounts? Sorry but these people make a good enough living that they can buy their own kids back to school supplies. Help the truly needy, not the down on their luck middle class.
8/28/2014 12:33:35 PM
blackbird says:
NONE to your Question...How many people have posted negative comments towards Union Members and Leaders, and now strikers. What is your problem. Nobody here is asking anyone or you for anything. Here's something as it sounds coming from your comment you don't understand, Unions Help Unions, maybe you don't see it in your line of work but with Unions it's a comradery that's almost like family, that's why we call each other Brothers and Sisters.
I've work with my Brothers for over 35 years, if I see them in trouble I'm there to help. Nobody here is bragging or demeaning any of the non-union workers, hell my kids are not unionized and I force them to work even minimum wage jobs. It's the ignorant comments that posters are saying that triggering emotions against people who are in a Union. Am I just blowing smoke or does it make sense?
8/28/2014 4:37:57 PM
bttnk says:
Buckle up, this one is going to last for several more months.
8/28/2014 1:34:08 PM
unknowncronik says:

Make peace before it's tooooooo late cause Walmart/McDonalds/Tim Horton's can only hire so many people!!

Better to make what your making now compared to minimum wage!
8/29/2014 7:34:01 AM
onebtbrother says:
We gave the union what they wanted a "no" vote, they were pleading with us to say no to the current contract and what do we get in return? another week of no progress, no plan and no negotiations. We get bossed around the picket line and meanwhile the company gets ready to ship another LRV streetcar to Toronto. The company doesn't seem to need us as much as the union would like us to believe, I'm sure glad I paid union dues.
8/28/2014 2:22:31 PM
blackbird says:
This comment(Opinion?) and your previous from "OFFER Rejected" you claim to be a local 1075 "brother", You say you voted Yes, and say " hope my fellow Unifor 1075 brothers know what "THEY" are doing", again you say "The membership talks big now" and worst of all "Time to concider crossing the picket line to feed our families and pay the mortgage" ??? That was semi confusing but a brother reached out anyways to you to come see him on Wednesday Night at the Line. I assume this did not Happen. Now the real confusing comment is the sarcastic remarks towards Your union?(supposedly your brothers & sisters) "We gave the Union what they wanted" "being bossed around" and "sure glad I paid Union Dues"??? Why are you in the Union? Please explain. Are you just riding on the shirt tails of those trying to make it better for you. You voted negatively against the majority so be it, don't drag your bros and sis into the ground. That's if you really are a brother.???
8/28/2014 7:24:05 PM
harlon says:
Get them back to work before they and this city suffer irreparable loss. I'll never understand the concept of striking. You lose more than you will ever gain. This strike is going to cost this entire city the loss of Bombardier and the future jobs of many to come.
8/28/2014 2:43:14 PM
blueox says:
You have a legitimate and honest opinion, to not elaborate on what strike actions are, from my Googling, on Unions/Strike In Canada, I'll try to make short. The first Union strike 1872, in Toronto. At the time under British law, unions were illegal, 2000 marched down the streets of Toronto in a show of solidarity, by the time they reached Queen's Park there was 10,000, 1/10th of the population. Striking is getting the company, sociality and governments to take notice. The striking leadership(executives) were arrested and jailed. Prime Minister John A. Macdonald noticed and spoke out against the company's actions in forcing by Court Order to arrest the strikers. Thus created was the Trade Union Act. The strike was called " The Nine-Hour Movement" union wanted shorter work hours. This Strike Action was noticed all over Canada.
Next week when you celebrate Labour Day with your family at home, be thankful that holiday was created because of a strike.
8/29/2014 11:31:21 AM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
I feel so glad that I could still give/share a little bit of knowledge that I do have.
Harlon, Sept 4th has been around all my and your life. My company used to shut down every Sept 4th. When I was a kid many, many years ago, I was happy to see my dad at home that day and we would go fishing, as I never seen him so much during the summer. Sept 4th is not only a national holiday but a international holiday. Sept 4th is called Labor Day. I noticed you are worried about the city, Bombardier and the future jobs. Nobody wins in a strike, yeah sometimes we go back with the same offer that was offered in the beginning. But Most of the times we gain and The City, Bombardier and the future Jobs Benefit, you do too because Sept 4th is a holiday gained from unions striking, everyone wins.
8/29/2014 12:32:20 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Sorry big booboo, should be 1st Monday in Sept, don't know why I had Sept 4th in my head..
8/29/2014 10:46:34 PM
tbag4life420 says:
Doug it is other local brothers and sisters donating so mind your own business. Thank you unifor 229
8/28/2014 3:29:07 PM
blumaxter says:
These employees made their choices and now their families and children will pay the price. Do these 80 percent realize the impact that their greed and selfishness does to others? I wish the smart 20 percent success in their new careers. There is a fine line between standing around and complaining and waiting for hand outs and actually doing something to keep your respect and dignity.
8/28/2014 3:44:44 PM
TBTNFL says:
Wow easy there tiger. How can you call a group of people who make about 50K a year greedy who just want to keep the benefits they previously had? Have you not considered that people who make 250K a year are demanding people who make 50K a year give up their benefits? What you are saying is those greedy 50K guys are asking too much from those poor 250K + guys? I suppose you never realized that what management will do is essentially remove 5000 from workers so they can make more money. But then again, who wouldn't feel sorry for those poor rich managers and share holders......
8/29/2014 2:21:02 AM
shippoke says:
I work for a living in a non union enviroment where there is respect between the workers and management, I here all of the negativity towards the company(bombardier) Just remember, the purpose of a modern Union is not to protect the workers, it is to fill the coffers in New York, Chicago. If the Union believes this strongly in the workers plight, why do they not pay there wages until the strike is over,I assume the employees pay pretty good Union dues. The Union is no longer there to Protect the workers...
8/28/2014 6:42:10 PM
blackbird says:
Da,Da,Da, Let's give your comment the best reply it deserves, when it's about school supplies for kids. But your opinion, no matter how Loopy is important. So to quickly reply to each sentence. Good for you, You're seeing one side only, No, No again, Yes, They are, and Absolutely No....Next
8/29/2014 12:56:48 AM
TBTNFL says:
The union dues really are not that much. I'm not sure how much the union has in the bank, however 900 000 a week would be the bill. That is quite the bill to pay.
8/29/2014 2:13:04 AM
TBAY Opinion says:
Can anyone tell me how many cars the plant was producing per month before the Strike ?

How many cars can the 500-600 people inside the plant produce now ?

If production is on going even at a reduced rate, does that put the striking union members in a precarious position ?

Not taking sides here, just looking for a few answers.

8/29/2014 10:28:37 AM
ToldYaSo says:
Back to school shopping time! Take the kids down to the Union hall and let them pick out their new school clothes out of the boxes. Oh wait don't forget the "FREE" dinner! Hey Domninic is lookin good! I'll bet his kids don't need any used school clothes. Oh wait I forgot he gets paid by the Union. Those are some nice looking rail cars in Toronto getting put into service. I guess the Union didn't stop those either. The support for the strike will dwindle just like all the Union workers savings accounts as the loss of almost one thousand weekly pay checks no longer gets spent in the Thunder Bay economy.
8/31/2014 1:20:20 PM
moi says:

Best one yet.
9/2/2014 7:49:44 PM
worker says:
During regular production the plant was shipping three rocket subway cars and one Bilevel per week. Since the strike began three rockets have been shipped but they were 90% complete when the workers walked out the doors. It's not really "business as usual" as stated by the media.
8/31/2014 11:56:22 PM
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