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2014-08-29 at 13:06

Talks between Bombardier, Unifor to resume Tuesday

riking Bombardier workers are expected to be back at the bargaining table with the company on Tuesday.
Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
riking Bombardier workers are expected to be back at the bargaining table with the company on Tuesday.
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By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- Striking Bombardier workers may be headed back to the bargaining table on Tuesday. However the ongoing labout dispute has forced company officials to issue temporary layoff notices to other unionized employees not on strike. 

Company spokeswoman Stephanie Ash made the announcement on Friday, and was also unable to confirm any talks were scheduled, despite Unifor Local 1075 negotiators saying they were told by Bombardier officials talks will resume early next week, aimed at ending what will then be a seven-week work stoppage. 

"We had to announce yesterday and today that we will be doing layoffs of our Canadian Office and Professional Employees (staff). These are our white-collar employees ," Ash said. 

"Unfortunately with the ongoing labour disruption they're going to have to have a temporary layoff." 

About 150 COPE workers are employed at the plant. 

"The layoffs will not affect everybody, but we will have a definite number of those that are affected for next week," Ash said, adding ending the strike has always been the company's priority.

Unifor Local 1075 president Dominic Pasqualino on Friday maintained he believes the two sides will be back at the bargaining table on Tuesday.

Though he stopped short of saying he’s optimistic, Pasqualino said any movement on the negotiation front has to be seen as positive.

“We’re happy that talks are scheduled,” Pasqualino said. “Now it’s important to find out whether the talks are going to be serious and whether they will offer us a fair offer.”

He’s not sure what will arise next week.

“I’m always an optimistic person, I’m always hoping for the best and my goal is to make sure that everybody gets back to work with a fair agreement.”

Union workers walked off the job on July 14, vowing not to accept the company’s demand to switch to a defined contribution pension plan from a defined benefit plan.

They were also upset that recently hired workers would lose benefits at retirement, instead given a  $350 one-time payout.

Pasqualino said there are plenty of ways the company, which union officials say made in excess of $550 million in profit last year, without reducing benefits to its current workforce.

Union workers on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to reject the what Bombardier called its final offer, with 81.5 per cent rejecting the deal in a vote supervised by the Ministry of Labour.

At Bombardier vice-president Aaron Rivers said the company would step back and determine what its next steps might be.

On Friday company spokeswoman Stephanie Ash could not immediately provide comment, but promised to get back to media later in the day.

It’s good news, said Mayor Keith Hobbs, who has drawn criticism for earlier remarks he made about the ongoing labour dispute.

“I have to love this news,” he said via Twitter.

Pasqualino said his membership, for the most part, is holding up well.

“They are hoping for a settlement. I know that even though they voted not to accept that agreement, it’s not an indication they do not want to go back to work. They do want to go back to work. But I think it’s important they go back with a fair agreement.”

Asked if the pension issue could be a deal-breaker or if the union would be willing to find wiggle room, Pasqualino didn’t rule it out. But he said there are other options that must first be explored.

“Certainly we both have to negotiate a good agreement,” he said. “Our issue is what we have to do is to work toward cost savings. We understand there should be cost savings, but they need to work with the union.

“You can ask any of my members. They all know that there are a thousand ways of saving money without attacking their pension. And that’s where we need to go.”

 


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dynamiter says:
Oh goody.Now the union needs to find a way of accepting the defined contribution plan for future employees in a manner that saves face. Might I suggest a bigger signing bonus plus a larger contribution by each for the new employees and the company ie $50 each per month.
8/29/2014 1:30:04 PM
bttnk says:
Good luck. Hoping to see a settlement soon.
8/29/2014 1:31:58 PM
TBAY Opinion says:
Looks like Bombardier just "Blinked" . The lesson here : Hang tough, and the company will fold like a deck chair.
8/29/2014 1:42:56 PM
Tbay_politics says:
The Union approached the company. So... deck chair, huh?
8/29/2014 4:05:36 PM
TBTNFL says:
"Unifor Local 1075 negotiators saying they were told by Bombardier officials talks will resume early next week" Understanding is an integral part of reading. Bombardier approached the union. So yeah, deck chair is correct.
8/30/2014 2:14:17 AM
orca says:
What? No comments?
8/29/2014 2:09:13 PM
blackbird says:
Not being sarcastic and in good fun..."It's a Miracle, I can see, I can see the world's not ending." BUT...lol
Now can we just let the negotiations continue without the rhetoric opinions.
Enjoy the union designed long weekend.lol
8/29/2014 3:48:20 PM
cob says:
I hope they can come to an agreement. A successful negotiation usually means both sides walk away a bit unhappy. In this case perhaps the Union could accept the fact that the employees should be contributing to their defined benefit plan, new employees will have a defined contribution plan with both company and employees paying into it, early retirees will continue to receive health benefits until age 65 and the company proposed wage increase remains on the table. There, will that do it? It's reasonable and neither side will totally like it.
8/29/2014 2:41:25 PM
blueox says:
It's important they come together to negotiate, the members did not plan to strike, there's a lost to both sides of the table.
I agree that these members should contribute to their pension a equal amount in a Defined Pension Plan where there's security and the company is obligated...But do not throw these future employees into a Defined Contribution plan where the company basically walks away from any responsibility, when the market crashes and the plan collapses. Bombardier has been trying for years to get this plan in place, Quebec and Thunder Bay 2 years ago. I would tell my son to forget the Bombardier Plan and just put the money into a RRSP, so why work for Bombardier...take your mechanical engineer degree and move west where you can get paid a hell of a lot more. As another money saving measure the company should cease all golden handshakes and perks to management, this will show the company is serious about profitability and not trying to exploit.
8/30/2014 12:28:53 AM
Bob Roberts says:
I love to be at the table with a brand new last and only final offer. Would reduce starting employment hourly rates by 2.50-3.50 per hr for new hires. No COLA or increases what-so-ever over next 3 years, increase in benefits cost to employee and pension issues would be same as before. If it could be done roll back hourly wages by 5-10-15 % over three years, and or re-classify jobs to casual labour , none union, with more contract workers.
8/29/2014 2:53:08 PM
SG says:
Glad you're not at the table then. What an asinine comment. It's amazing how quickly people are willing to forget the history of the union movement.

You know 'Bob' I've read your comments on here and quite frankly I can't figure it out. Do you think before you speak ever? Troll.
8/30/2014 7:40:57 AM
westfortterri says:
The strikers have paid a terrible price for this strike. They will never regain this lost income. If negotiations go well and If they all get called back to work, it will be a very different workplace. You can be smug right now thinking you have won but you may be in for a rocky road ahead. People will have a hard time getting over things said and done and posted on Facebook. It will be interesting to see if the employees feel the same way in a year from now.
8/29/2014 3:41:58 PM
fastball says:
You still don't get it, do you? Not everything is dollars and cents - it's about the principle of the thing. You occasionally have to stand up to unfairness...and if it costs you a few bucks, so be it. The people that gave you those decent working conditions and wages that you've enjoyed for the past decade or two - well, those things were given to you by the sacrifice of those who went before you. Now you do the same thing for those who come after you - that's what unions are about.
8/29/2014 10:38:26 PM
Big Chad says:
I don't get how the workers feel they're justified here. It's not like it takes a 4 year degree to have these jobs yet they want to be paid like it. The union is getting greedy and the workers are suffering. The company is the one who risks everything, they should be the one who makes the money. Another case of the union being greedy... There really isn't a need for a union with today's labour laws, all they do is protect the people that take advantage of the system. I just don't understand the workers here....they're being greedy and wanting more but in a couple years they'll want more and then more and then more. If the company loses money, will the workers accept a pay cut....didn't think so.

Personally, I hope this strike goes on for a lot longer. I only feel sorry for the people who voted to accept the deal. In the end I would love it if they accept that deal or something even less.
8/29/2014 4:14:41 PM
SamIAm says:
Big Chad I can see by your comments your another Keyboard Troll. Spouting off. Some of the jobs at Bombardier do require a diploma or degree. In the QA dept. for example in Check & Test you have to have at least a 2 year diploma. As for accusing the Union of being greedy a lot of us would be happy with the old contract with no raises or changes. The company is only taking away from what we had in the past contract. For saying things like " Personally, I hope this strike goes on for a lot longer." How could anyone wish such a thing on their friends and people in this community??? That has to be the most disgusting thing said on here!!
8/29/2014 4:25:59 PM
blackbird says:
Your personal opinion is your own business, really and no educated person will lower themselves to name calling and making such comments except to say to you Big Chad...Stick Around maybe you'll learn something...maybe
Enjoy the greedy, undeserving, misunderstood union inspired long weekend.
PS Resolute Unions Took a 10% pay cut and benefit cut to help the company...lesson #1
8/29/2014 4:56:23 PM
moonpie says:
First its the Bombardier workers we need to thank for keeping our taxes low in the city, now we have to thank unions for the long weekend? My career entitles me to a long weekend whenever I choose to take one and unions have absolutely nothing to do with that. Where are you people finding all these tall horses you're riding around on?
8/30/2014 1:36:46 AM
blackbird says:
You know Moonpoop, you say you have a college education, you need to go back to school...learn your history...READ

http://www.canadashistory.ca/Magazine/Online-Exclusive/Articles/The-First-Labour-Day

Sorry Folks digits just get to me...
8/30/2014 9:54:42 AM
Unions_Are says:
Brothers, time and time again Ignore these inconsequential rambling from the gallery.
To those who honestly want to learn the facts it's not hard 'Google History of Labor Day'
so simple a peanut could do it...so what does that say of those others. I could post the hyperlinks but let those who are too lazy do it. Enjoy the world recognized labor day earned from the sacrifices of the movement(UNIONS)
8/30/2014 10:27:10 AM
moonpie says:
What once was is no more, as the article points out "Over time, Labour Day strayed from its origins and evolved into a popular celebration enjoyed by the masses. It became viewed as the last celebration of summer, a time for picnics, barbecues and shopping." Your grasping at support for unions is really starting to border on tactless.
8/30/2014 11:23:19 AM
blueox says:
Again you only want to read and believe what you want to. Labor day was made a national holiday(is it not today as it was in 1894 a holiday) due to the legalization of UNIONS, because of unions back then and now, YES Today, you moonpie own it to UNIONS. What is gain by UNIONS benefits moonpie. This National Holiday honoring UNIONS evolved to a long weekend holiday enjoyed by Everyone including moonpie.
Just because it evolved doesn't change it, really hard to swallow for someone who thinks he knows everything about everything, eh. You don't like owing the unions or anyone anything we see that, those Unionized teachers must have been sleeping when you went to school
And yeah, idiocy from the gallery is starting to become unsavory.
8/30/2014 11:52:40 AM
Unions_Are says:
2011, Not 1890 Labour Day march in Toronto.
What Once Was, Will Always Be.
8/30/2014 5:27:08 PM
Oliver Paipoonge Resident says:
Soon I will be gone from this gong show, but I need to put my 2 cents in.
the article also states to think of the labour day pioneers (the union). And Future labour movements (ie.Unions) helped workers (ie.moonpie) the rights and benefits ENJOYED TODAY!, not yesterday, today.
When labour day strayed and evolve, the masses(Company managers, businesses, Non-union, etc. included), Labour day then became a celebration of end of summer, picnics, barbecues and shopping. I would find it amusing to see company managers, executives, businesses, moompie enjoy labour day if it had anything to do with Unions. It would be beyond their pride to succumb to the minions.
That's the opinion of one who has celebrated the end of the Archaic British law(Unions are Illegal) in Canada for over 60 years.
8/30/2014 1:33:22 PM
Unions_Are says:
Hiya, I pray for a quick end to this dispute for everyone the yays, nays and Bombardier. I would like to give it a try, and really unless you draw a picture, it couldn't be so hard to understand.
I'm going to use a parity as a example.
The Union(Ukraine) wanted to feed, support it's family(Ukranians) and Retire(Be a Country), have a Diplomatic Society(Unifor), and be recognized in the Canada(U.N). They negotiated a Contract(treaty) with the company(Russia). For the work(nuclear Weapons) the company(Russia) promised pay & benefits(Crimea). Things went well till The company(Russia) thought of Globalization(World Domination) to gain more money(Land) and decided the union(Ukraine) is weak and easier manipulate, so utilizing Union(Ukraine) breaking stagedy (Russians Living in Ukraine).

I hope you are getting it...it continues
8/29/2014 7:50:33 PM
Unions_Are says:
continued... they nick & pick and offered concessions (invasion) into the previously negotiated Contract(Treaty).To make the story short, the company(Russia) used tactics(Russian Rebels), newspaper ads(Ukraine's Lying Not Us),harassing phone calls(war supplies to rebels) and HR (humanitarian convey).The Liberal MP's (U.S) decided to sit on the sideline. The Small Union(Ukraine under attack) was left to fight the Big Company(Invading Russians) on it's own. There is a small group of Union(Ukraine) Bashers(Cuba, North Korea) and sympathizers(Germany, France)
Doesn't the Union(Ukraine) be allowed to fight for it's benefits(Crimea) and family(Ukrainians)...If the Union(Ukraine) didn't Work(Kept it's Nuclear Weapons) would the company(Russia) keep concessions(Invasion) on the Table.
I hope you understand now, if not no loss.
Unity Brothers and Sisters.
8/29/2014 7:55:14 PM
mystified says:
And this strike affects you how?
8/29/2014 8:15:00 PM
Unions_Are says:
Happy Labour Day from Local 584 To Everyone
8/30/2014 5:49:57 PM
lvm123 says:
RE: Big Chad
Actually there's a few of us with 4 year degrees working there - that's just the reality of finding employment in Thunder Bay rather than moving.
And why are we being greedy? It's been stated over and over that the union is not asking for anything.
8/29/2014 4:37:53 PM
boofer69 says:
Best of luck guys, don't forget about the 20% that wanted to take the previous deal.
8/29/2014 4:42:21 PM
orca says:
I guess tbay opinion wants the company to fold up and move somewhere else.
8/29/2014 5:17:00 PM
progress now says:
Talking is better than not talking.

Fingers crossed.
8/29/2014 5:54:21 PM
moi says:
While I agree that "talking is better than not talking", and hopefully with mediation everyone can get back to work...
Most of us realize, the company has the last, and final trump card in this dispute.
All they'll do, is close the place down and move elsewhere. Contrary to what Unifor local 1075 wants everyone to believe, Bombardier answers only to their shareholders, and not to the union.Bombardier owes the union..nothing. With the financial reality of winter coming,let's see in a few more weeks how many union members who voted to stay off the job, still think the strike action was justified.Good luck finding suitable employment elsewhere...you'll need it.Adios amigos.
8/30/2014 9:09:48 AM
blueox says:
I've read your previous comments(most of Them) so I understand there's no use trying to explain some facts...your lock in so to speak.
Here's a excellent read if your open to negotiation tactic threats of plant closures and moving to mexico threats...The UNION did not write it Cornell University ILR School did.

http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&context=cbpubs

Again it's only if you are interested in the facts and not just another basher.
8/30/2014 10:46:33 AM
moi says:
It wouldn't matter how many reports you present...
the FACT remains, that if mediation fails Bombardier (the company that you work for,who signs your paycheck,and provides you with a fulltime job) has the option to close the shop and move out of Thunder Bay for good,leaving 900 unifor local 1075 members with nothing except a picket sign in one hand and a job application in the other.
Winter's coming, let Unifor pay your bills for you and keep a roof over your head. Financial institutions and credit card companys don't care that you're on strike, they care you make your payments on time. As I had previously posted,come December and January (if the strike is still ongoing) let's see how many of the members that voted in favor of walking off the job still think the strike is worth it.
I'm not against unions, time was..they served a useful purpose.Today, not so much.
8/31/2014 9:18:36 AM
blackbird says:
Oh...Really? Someone opt to tell the OLG workers unionizing and Joining the Steelworkers Union last year was just wasting their time in gaining security and better working conditions...Wake up. Unity, Solidarity, Security & Rights is and will always be TIMELESS.
8/31/2014 1:20:58 PM
blueox says:
Very inconsiderate, Unifor, Unions are not objects, they are people, labourers your family or friends? To say they served their purpose, their ideas, their objectives, their ideology then and now, can be misconstrued. Fact, Having been there, I've lived through 5 months of strike around a fire barrel, sure we have lost, Company and union workers alike. Fact, we're still speaking English. Fact, because of our resolve I and my family are enjoying the Benefits Today. You and a lot of kids are only thinking short term, where Unions look at it long term. To enjoy retirement moi will have to have $500,000 when moi is 65. I'm afraid the government and unionized workers will be supporting moi. I could break down with factual examples on your opinions, but I'm not wasting my time.
But I am reading a lot about Trolling.
8/31/2014 5:06:05 PM
Unions_Are says:
Interesting a Grade 8 Social Studies Student was asked for a representation of What it was like before Unions...He drew a Stickman rendition. They do Teach our children right don't know what happen to the others.
8/31/2014 1:33:01 PM
HabsNot says:
Im in my 30's and dont have to work but still would like to see these working folk get a fair deal.
8/30/2014 10:33:46 AM
Royalflush says:
You are a lucky man/woman.
8/30/2014 7:53:30 PM
CM Punk says:
Its funny, Global Toronto news showed the new subway cars being unveiled and soon to be in service for the city.
No mention of Bombardier in Thunder Bay being on strike. I guess the talk Hobbs had with Ford did not break away headway.
Talking is talking, nothing more and nothing less. A resolution would be great but me thinks the company will be saying "en tu cara" to the union and its members.
8/30/2014 12:47:14 PM
ToldYaSo says:
The Union workers must think that Bombardier doesn't own a world map and can't figure out how to make this stuff in China or Mexico. How many jobs has the Union created? The Union says: Oh the company is filthy rich so hang tough "Brothers and Sisters" I'll bet the Union workers can make their mortgage payments no problem. Based on the number of weeks of lost pay the workers are out it won't be long before the foreclosure signs will start popping up. Time to brush up on your math skills Union workers, the world is a big place with millions of people willing or forced to work for what you guys spend in beer. Won't be long before you guys are walkin the line in the snow while the Union boys will be in an office somewhere drinking coffee and doing your thinking for you.
8/31/2014 9:40:35 AM
blackbird says:
Congratulations, you've been nominated, please sign the card and hand it in to your boss, asap...
9/1/2014 1:52:29 AM
Unions_Are says:
All negative, fearful, speculators and Trolls.
Opinion, This dispute, was instigated/designed by Bombardier. Truth, Bombardier has attempted this in other Provinces, Cities, including TB before. Truth, they have the time-relentless-tireless-without stopping determination, and money to do it all over again. Truth, Bombardier is The World's only manufacturer of both planes and trains. Everywhere people travel by land and in the air, a Bombardier product is ready to transport them. Truth, Bombardier has 79 Production and Engineering Sites most incorporating Unions in 27 Countries. Truth, Bombardier has in the last 3 years moved into markets in South America, Africa, Arabia & More. Bombardier is already into World Globalization unmatched by any Competition. Truth, Bombardier's Model, "As a Responsible Business We Contribute to Communities by Hiring Locally Sourcing Locally and Support Local Growth"

What's The problem, let them Negotiate the Petty issues & go back to work. Jeez...
8/31/2014 12:48:52 PM
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