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2009-11-02 at 15:54

Plan in place

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Union officials are confident they have a solution to wipe out AbitibiBowater employees’ $1.3 billion pension shortfall, but first must seek a reworking of government legislation to allow it to happen.

Marvin Pupeza, national representative for the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers union, on Monday said he couldn’t reveal details of the joint plan, put together last week by AbitibiBowater and representatives of 23 Canadian unions at meetings in Montreal, until both the federal and provincial governments and pensioners have been briefed. He said he’s convinced it can work.

A downturn in the economy, combined with fewer and fewer active workers contributing to pension funds, saw the plans being discussed in Montreal fall to 65 per cent of their total value earlier this year.

They’ve since recovered and fluctuate between 72 and 80 per cent, but that’s still too much of a cut for pensioners to swallow, Pupeza said, especially if the company goes into receivership, automatically freezing the rates as they are on the day of the bankruptcy.

CEP’s national executive has estimated some 25,300 workers – retired and active – could face up to 27 per cent cuts in their monthly pension allotments.

Union estimates suggested retirees, depending when they began collecting their pensions, earn between $1,000 and $4,000 a month.

Pupeza said he’d leave it up to the public to decide where to lay the blame.

"It was the markets that really hit it. From January to March it was down to 65 per cent. We can question where the investments are made, how the investments are going to be made. Certainly that’s being addressed in the plan going forward that this isn’t going to happen any longer.

"But any pension plan, anybody that has RRSPs, any savings plans that people have for retirement, they all took a hit. On average, if you look across Canada, I’m hearing the number 30 per cent reductions in that three-month period," Pupeza said.

Union and company officials met with Ontario Minister of Northern Development, Mines and Forestry Michael Gravelle on Monday afternoon. While he preferred to wait before releasing details, Pupeza said one thing’s certain, the money won’t be coming from concessions off the backs of active workers.

"I can tell you that we probably can’t give back enough to generate the $1.3 billion. That is not the solution. The solution is the plan that we’re going to be putting forward," Pupeza said.
He did promise the plan does not call for a government handout.

"Theoretically our plan would not require government to put any money in. Certainly there would have to be regulatory changes, both provincially and federally, to make this happen," Pupeza said, at a hastily called news conference in a cramped office at CEP’s Thunder Bay headquarters. Click here to submit a letter to the editor.

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bigdog says:
CEP says: "Theoretically our plan would not require government to put money in"
Then "theoretically" Marvin I support you. And wish you well.

BUT, if you go after 1 penny of the taxpayers money when more than 8 million Canadian workers do not have an employment pension plan of any type, my support will come to an end in a hurry.
11/2/2009 4:57:58 PM
chezhank says:
It ain't so:

"But any pension plan, anybody that has RRSPs, any savings plans that people have for retirement, they all took a hit. On average, if you look across Canada, I’m hearing the number 30 per cent reductions in that three-month period," Pupeza said.

Contarian investing!
11/2/2009 5:53:39 PM
chezhank says:
Union officials are confident they have a solution to wipe out AbitibiBowater employees’ $1.3 billion pension shortfall, but first must seek a reworking of government legislation to allow it to happen.

As soon as the government removes "bank robbery" from the criminal code and allows it,the problem will be solved!
11/2/2009 5:55:47 PM
Versachi says:
"Union officials are confident they have a solution to wipe out AbitibiBowater employees’ $1.3 billion pension shortfall"

Can't wait to hear this one. Maybe we can all use the same solution and wipe out every Canadian's pension and RRSP loses over the last year!
11/2/2009 6:36:32 PM
ARJAY says:
is this the same Marvin Pupeza, that convinced the millworkers they should swallow their pride and give concessions? and then sat back and watched the industry slide further into the mud, while the union jobs went out the window? if he has a secret agenda, maybe he should just KEEP IT HIS SECRET!!!!!
an old timer who knows!!
ARJAY
11/2/2009 7:56:01 PM
laidoffmillguy says:
While I definently agree that we need federal legislation to not allow unfunded liability in private pension plans. I can only think that this WILL NOT correct the current 1.3 billion sortfall in a company currently on life-support with no rebound in sight for the next few years. Now if Marvin Pupeza says this problem is fixable by not robbing the Canadian taxpayer, either he is the biggest liar or the biggest moron in the history of local union leaders.
11/2/2009 10:16:20 PM
freepostg says:
The Canadian Government will not be on the hook for another mismanaged pension. Sadly, these members will take a hit like everyone else that had been affected by the downturn. Taxpayers can't afford any further bailouts and they won't stand for it.
11/3/2009 8:01:15 AM
elvis2010 says:
laidoffmillguy, why not wait to see what is announced before making your ignorant comments. In case you haven't realized these are not car plants so you should know by now that neither the provincial or federal gov's will be bailing them out.
11/4/2009 9:55:34 AM
laidoffmillguy says:
Elvis2010 I ask you then where is the money going to come from??" Pupeza said one thing’s certain, the money won’t be coming from concessions off the backs of active workers." OK and by the looks of it The company is broke and with no light at the end of the tunnel. Other union leaders in Quebec are already saying the the Feds have to bail-out this pension shortfall. I am just being realistic, if this was fixable in the private sector on its own, then I highly doubt they would be breifing the provincial and federal government.
11/4/2009 4:36:15 PM
blowharder says:
OK, see if I got this straight.
Union members had to contribute to the pension fund every payday. AbiBowater didn't make all their contributions. Now there's a ton of money missing.
Marvin says government doesn't have to put anything in, nor does taxpayers, nor active workers..
who's left? Ohh the pensioners

The guy who left 15 years ago, who has been getting $1000/per month which seemed like fair money back then but now has the guy below poverty levels.

I see, make him take a cut, sooner or later he os gooing to like dogfood.

Good plan Marvin !!! You and the company came up with this?
11/4/2009 5:49:04 PM
blowharder says:
Recently retired people are already not getting their full pension. The last contract said retirement age was to drop to 57 by May 1st 2009 and a rate factor was supposed to be increased from 1.7% to 1.75%. Even though a Superior court judge in Quebec ruled that AbiBowater has to honor that contract, AbiBowater is ignoring that ruling and in fact penalizing the newly retired pensioners 6% pretending they left early when in fact they didn't. Plus the factor increase to 1.75% is alsonot being paid.

One has to wonder now that Weaver has announced he is leaving the company, how many millions will he be getting for severence?
11/4/2009 6:03:57 PM
neebing says:
fleece the taxpayer, marty!! the last refuge of scoundrels!!
if the Gov. backstops incompetence, why would a company, union or plan administer ever behave competently??
Why was the union not doing their job of monitoring the plan? at the least getting a funding report every couple of years would have been prudent.
do not blame this on market conditions .... the market was on a run for many years and prudent investors had removed money when things got to frothy.
members of this union ... do not let your union officials of the hook ... they are the cause of your misfortune !!
11/5/2009 7:46:16 AM
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