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2010-02-04 at 16:44

Gull Bay chief rejects OPG settlement offer

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Calling it an insult and morally repugnant, Gull Bay First Nation Chief Wilfred King says his community has rejected a $10 million grievance settlement offer from Ontario Power Generation.

The repercussions could stall billions of dollars of proposed construction.

King, who halted negotiations with OPG, said the money isn’t enough to make up for damage caused by dam construction on the Nipigon and Ogoki River in the first half of the last century and the Ogoki Diversion in 1943, all of which flooded traditional Gull Bay First Nation lands.

Should OPG not bring a better offer to the table, King said the decision will threaten proposed hydro projects in the area. This includes the Little Jackfish River and the Northwest Transmission projects, which together represent more than $2 billion in construction costs.

It would also stall a majority of future mining projects in the area and most other future development, King said, asking if the provincially run utility is willing to take that risk.

"We’re hoping that OPG would have second thoughts in terms of what they’re proposing and I am hopeful that they will come to their senses and deal with this in a just an honourable way," said King on Thursday afternoon.

Ted Gruetzner, manager of media relations for OPG, said via phone from his Toronto office that while the company won’t negotiate in public, he’s holding out hope the impasse can soon be resolved.

"I think we’re hopeful that the group will come back and we can work through this," Gruetzner said.

King said there are still elders within Gull Bay First Nation who have vivid memories of graves being desecrated during construction, of bodies being exhumed and transported across the two waterways for reburial elsewhere.

"One elder states quite eloquently that they saw their siblings being carried across and it was very emotional for them at the time. They still have those scars and that’s going back 50 or 60 years," King said.

Four other affected communities agreed to settlements, ranging from $12 million to $45 million, he speculated.

Gruetzner said that leaves two awaiting deals.

King said the $10 million offer is not fair and reasonable, and would not be agreed to by either the band council or the membership, who also must ratify any agreed upon deal.

"As the elected representative of the community, and as the chief negotiator, I felt that it did not warrant to go back to council for consideration and also to the community members. I would definitely not accept (the offer) in compared to what other First Nations have received," King said.

Gull Bay First Nation, located about 175 kilometres north of Thunder Bay, has about 400 full-time residents and 1,200 band members in total.

King said he’s not sure if the settlement, when signed, will be split evenly amongst all members or used toward investment in the community.

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Steven says:
And the cycle of stupidity continues.

My entire family was killed off by the Nazis, and our lands taken. That was around 1943 as well.....

Perhaps I should sue the European Union, and the new owners of the land, and the German Government, etc. etc.

Whenever you are looking this far back, and think that you deserve something, you are doing nothing but keeping up a culture of entitlement. I am sick of it.

Sure your grandparents/great grandparents deserved something, MAYBE your father and mother. But you and everyone else who are ancestors? Come on! Grow up, and wipe away your tears, take the 10 million dollars and put your efforts into something constructive.

If they start blocking hydro projects to squeeze more money, I am heading to Europe to block highways that are now running through my grandparents' land.
Only difference is I would go to jail, and these people won't.
2/4/2010 4:55:34 PM
tbay1 says:
Just another money grab for the first nation people in this country....why are we using people's tax dollars to pay compensation to people who live predominantly in Thunder Bay?

Why do we continue to pay aboriginal people for the use of the province's natural resouces. Why not mandate the compensation by providing economic oppurtunities by employing band members.

As we all know what will happen if that money is given to chief and council.....

2/4/2010 5:07:54 PM
sherlockholmes says:
Seems the emotional distraught can only be solved when the price tag goes high enough. Where is this money going to go anyways? $10 million seems like a substantial sum of money for 400 full-time residents. King should have a economic plan for where this money is going to go. How about instead of $10 million for emotional scaring, the $10 million goes towards counseling, new schools, a transportation program to get to closer cities.
2/4/2010 5:19:48 PM
baor says:
"Gull Bay chief rejects OPG settlement offer" --surprise surprise. When does the road block start?
2/4/2010 5:46:59 PM
passlake says:
some thoughts on this issue:

"Four other affected communities agreed to settlements, ranging from $12 million to $45 million, he speculated."
-how does the population of Gull Bay compare to these other communities and how does the land lost/damage compare? If GB only lost 25% as compared to the community that got 45mil, then 10mil is almost reasonable.

"as the chief negotiator, I felt that it did not warrant to go back to council for consideration and also to the community members."
-isn't that what a good leader does? consult with his community? A good leader represents the community as a whole and should not base a decision solely on their own personal opinion.

"King said the decision will threaten proposed hydro projects in the area."
-if on your land, I agree, and you have every right to do so, but if it's NOT on your land, you do NOT have the right to threaten or block a company from doing work.

That said, I do feel compassion for the lands and ancestors that suffered in the creation of Ogoki and Nipigon Power Projects, and I do hope you recieve fair and equitable compensation for your losses... OPG did make a mess of things back in the day to set up these various power projects and they should have compensated people for their loss when the project was started, not 70 years later...

2/4/2010 6:26:35 PM
hurricanejeck says:
give nothing more, refuse to hire area people on bias and build around them.
quite tollerating the BS and exproiperate the land as necessary like it's done everywhere else.
protect the good of the many over the good of the few...I think Churchill said something like that.
1943, damn we deal with Russia and Germany now,and THEY oppressed people, get out of the stone age already!
2/4/2010 10:42:04 PM
United North says:
WHAT!! King said he’s not sure if the settlement, when signed, will be split evenly amongst all members or used toward investment in the community.

HELLO!! Doesn't Gull Bay have a multi million dollar water treatment system not operating due to another protest. This is very irresponsible, and needs to be placed under the scrutiny of the grand chiefs and third party management!

The community of Gull Bay is intact and located on lake front where hunting and fishing is done regularly. take it or leave it.
2/5/2010 10:53:05 AM
Dar says:
Its about time Canada abolished the treaties and give everyone equal treatment . The whole country would benefit from it instead of holding the economy back due to land disputes etc.
2/5/2010 12:42:46 PM
unionbay880 says:
I think hydro should make them a second offer. How about 8 million. Gull bay band members total about 1400. Thats $7125 for every man woman and child on their list. Not bad for the people who don't even live there. I see their head office is in Thunder Bay?
2/5/2010 12:58:13 PM
Gary says:
After reading the article it is apparent from the comments made by Chief King that money will not solve the mental and emotional problems the elders encountered. I would recommend that OPG send in counselors and provide counseling and support in lew of a
any additional funding as MONEY clearly would help them.



2/5/2010 2:08:01 PM
carlos says:
the comments i have read are very inapropriate and childish. They obiously do not know nor understand waht types of damage flooding creates to nature and the land.

The commenters also sound like they have too much time on thier hands than to contribute to the betterment of governments, and even thier own backgrounds.
to steven;The Germans under Hitler were in Germany not in this country.you sound like a Hitler, You are free to determine your own type of negotiations with the German Government but please accept the fact you are on free Indigenous land.
I agree with Dar about equality but when Dar? United north; maybe u can get the band out of 3rd partry management, provide solutions not negative feedback. Hurricanejeck? can't say much for your comment other than a colonialist tactic to build around a nation, there are laws that will protect the indigenous land and its inhabitants, sound like your an oppressor.

The roadblocks are coming and there is absolutly nothin you can do to prevent them.....have a nice life despite your inabilty to do so.

I am of enlish descent and equality and understanding each other is far from here. My grandparenst were hurt in England beacuse of another nations racists attitudes.
tbay1;have your ever heard of revenue sharing, that does not happen in indian country but it does in the mainstream. Indigenous people have been left off the appropriate funding scales.
2/5/2010 2:22:27 PM
United North says:
Hello Carlos,

I apologize if I offended you, but will stand firm. How does splitting grievance money equally among band members solve anything for the community?
Shouldn't there be a planned budget dealing with the grievances before any settlement is made? or what then is the issue of money?

Without a plan, King could be sending his members further toward social problems.

I am not a member of Gull Bay, but I am Status Indian who believes in responsible leadership and fiscal management.
2/5/2010 3:33:23 PM
TWM says:
I am disgusted with some of the views people have here when it concerns native aboriginals. Time and time again, I read the whiney complaints regarding natives. Grow up and get a life!
2/5/2010 6:09:06 PM
Gord says:
It is interesting that so many that know so little feel so free to offer comments. I think people should spend some time thinking about an analogous situation that they or their families may have had to deal with and see how they would react. While you are doing so, and to offer a silly example, think about that person who spilled a coffee on their lap and sued mcdonalds for millions...... then, think about the adequate compensation for years of intentional neglect and corporate wrong-doing. I know there will be some of you that feel compelled to point out the obvious inconsistencies with my analogy, so please spare me and the rest of the readers the time it will take to read your inane comments. Also, please spare me the "I wouldnt be in that situation, Im a heroic white man" comments... for the record, I am not aboriginal.
2/5/2010 6:20:39 PM
Rick says:
And what, we are supposed to be suprised that they rejected this offer.?

To all of the Indigenous people in Canada, go out and get a job, on your own, like everyone else, pay for your own children's education and all else that goes with it, be responsible for your own housing and all that goes with that responsibility and once you have accomplished those items, then we can talk.
2/5/2010 7:03:50 PM
panzerIV says:
I do not personally know the circumstances with this current issue but even if 10 million is a little less then what the other guy got, i wouldn't be passing it up. We constantly hear the 3rd world situation that these reserves and the people are living in. A 10 million dollar settlement could do a lot, stretching out the dollar would make it go even farther. There seems to be only 400 people currently living on this reserve full time, that could build them a new fire hall and a police station. people living on reserves have a much higher death rate then people living in cities because of the fact they are usually not close enough for a fast responce so a fire hall could do wonders (purely speculating, that they don't have one at this point) Money is something that is so easily taken for granted these days. I must say that i don't believe that these block-aids are good for aboriginal people or anyone else involved. They provide a bad image about aboriginals that if they don't get there way they will fight tooth and limb to get there way. Not to mention that it is illegal, but if I was Chief King i would bring it back to my people and see what they think because he is working on there behalf.
2/5/2010 10:44:45 PM
bigshot says:
How long are we going to let Gull Bay cry about something that happened in 1943? If the way Canada handled other Native disputes is any hint, Gull Bay could be profiting off this for the next 300 years.
2/6/2010 4:15:32 AM
baor says:
hey gord, why don't you get off the same high horse you accuse the rest of us as being on. Twm might as well continue to be disgusted...people are tired of throwing good money after bad, to any group, not just natives. There has to be a better way.
2/6/2010 9:09:27 AM
TWM says:
@ Rick - almost 1/2 of the non aboriginal education tuition is covered by the government, day care asistance, health care coverage, tax exempt on businesses, home reno rebates, childrens aid only to name a few, are instances where our tax dollars are going also. Aboriginals aren't the only recipients of government handouts. And the amount of people agreeing with your comments mean nothing, it certainly don't make your misguided, uninformed opinions any more correct.
2/6/2010 1:01:11 PM
Gord says:
baor - not sure where you got a "high horse" comment from, but, whatever.... When people cause other people damages, they have to pay - its simple, it is in our legal system and it is the right thing to do. I'm not sure how this discussion got onto Aboriginal employment levels or 'handouts'. In regards to TWM's comment, we can all share things that frustrate us from time to time - personally, the whining of union workers wanting handouts and money for doing next to no work frustrates me... who is next in the public bashing? This issue has nothing to do with handouts, this is about compensation for wrong doing. If OPG didnt do anything wrong, why are they offering these large sums? TWM - time for you to get over your racism, do some research and find out the history....and get a life!
2/6/2010 5:00:34 PM
standswithpitchfork says:
It's very sad. Perhaps the governments should dig deep into it's coffers and teach canadians the history of first nations people. Like as in how they were swindled out of bits of property again and again and again. And during negotiations were not allowed representation. And of what money was offered, the majority of the payment went directly into the governments coffers for "safe keeping".

Native communities don't really get that much from the government despite the large dollar value the government makes public. The largest portion of the $$ trickling into native communities is sucked up through all the various government agencies and it's employees before getting to the actual people.

As twm says, what of housing programs for non native people. Education programs to get non native people back to work, grants and bursuries, tax credits up to 5000 for putting kids in fitness programs, gst credits. social assistance. Small business grants, auto rebates. The list of financial boosts for non native people is never ending. The difference is the news doesnt report on it.

The posts, below, and I'm sure plenty more to follow are based on pure ignorance of historical fact. People read one news article and think they know. And all your posts prove is that you should spend your tax rebate, child tax credit and buy a book of and learn a little bit of actual first nations history in Canada. It's a discrace that people can't be bothered to learn these days.

If people had half a brain, they would support a larger payout. Where is that money going to get spent, if not in thunder bay, stimulating the local ecconomy, perhaps keeping locals here from loosing thier jobs. weather they work construction, a hardware store or department store. Did you think of that?

Maybe native people should be given credit for persisting to fight for justice, in a system that continues to stack the cards against them. Even if the govenment has the general public convinced it's prepared to do the "right thing", They really truely are not. The government is as slippery as it ever has been in it's dealings with first nations people. So while the rest of us "the meak" are prepared to sit back and accept what the government tells us, first nations people are fighting (in some cases a 100+ years) the wrongs done to them, their grandparents and their kids by our government ( on all levels ) And it continues to this day.

The only thing you are right about is, there is no dollar value, you can place on seeing your parents, grandparents body ripped from the ground with a shovel and pick axe. Tossed up onto a truck like a pile of rubish, to be dumped in a mass grave elsewhere. Without a care by men whos only concern was to get the job done fast. All the dollar value represents is HOW SORRY the government or OPG are that they did this to these families at all.

If it were me, my kids, and I`d hazzard a guess that everyone, including the people who wrote the ignorant posts here today, would want the government to be REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY sorry. And 10 million doesn`t cut it, especially when you consider everything else the settlement would encompas.


2/6/2010 10:34:44 PM
TWM says:
well, money is wasted everywhere from our government, not just on aboriginals. The tax trough has quite a few holes.
2/7/2010 10:07:55 AM
standswithpitchfork says:
The difference between canada and germany is Germany got a good slap for it's notty behavior. Survivors / victoms did recieve monetary compensation for the wrongs done to them and their families by germany. All over the world there are monuments & museums erected, to teach people of the horrific atrociies perpetrated against the people.
And germany was forced to declare it's wrong doings, and promise never to do it again.

Ironicly while Ontario was digging up the bodies and relocating gull bay residents, a handful of the men from gull bay were fighting in the same war, which ended up saving what was left of the jewish population. In their own regiment though, Canada couldn't have native soldiers rubbing elbos with the non native soldiers.

Canada, the US and Australia won't sign a similar document reguarding the fair treatment of indiginous people in their countries today. What does that tell you of their future intensions.

If you go to a Canadian museum, at best you will learn how accomodating and eager the natives were to work for the North West & Hudsons Bay Companies. Most canadians think the history of indigenous people starts and ends with the furtrade. You won't hear about the other cruelties and injustices. Like how locally the grand trunk railway wanted to run some tracks on the reserve, The province of Ontario were more than glad to accomodate them. They couldn't just lay the skinny line of track they had to uproot a 100 + plus year old settlement of people, off and away from the entire river bank. So the government dredged up the bodies in the cemetary, and carelessly dumped them in squaw bay. Not neatly I might ad, Where they have been most likely washed away by flood waters, from mountain run off.

Why couldn't they have been left to prosper where they were, why couldnt the government only allowed the railway to build a right of way from the river to the railroad?

In more recent history, why is it the reserve is forced to pay taxes to the city for this same stretch of land today, when in the original treaty it was stated that the people on the reserve would not have to pay taxes in exchange for all the beautiful pristine land that our great grandfathers had the opportunity to settle on, and prosper from.

Side note: I grew up in Paponge my great grandfathers homestead was on the Kam river, opposite the stanley hotel. Guess what, when you look at the original maps. It was reserve once upon a time too. That's alot of land the government took over the years.

Do you think the millions of dollars the city takes from the reserve hinders its ability to develop industry, just a little bit?

When this reserve learned it was going to get the river side land back it struck up a deal with Bowater, you put up your mill and pay us rent on the land... Bowater prospers. the reserve prospers, you would think?

OH NO NO NO that'a not how it works. Despite the city giving the goahead for the land to be returned to the people of the reserve, and the government promising to do so right away it never happend. The city discovers a loop hole and exploits it. Hindering the reserve ability to prosper and grow from the development with Bowater.

So despite their best efforts, there is always a road block put up by one governing body or another. I might ad, the large majority of people working at the lumber mill are city residents. So the reserve did manage to do some good, for some people in the area, even if the city government and federal government could not see fit to let the residents of the reserve prosper themselves.

Pssst, Gord, TWM is on your side.

That the majority of residents are living off the reserve is testmaent to the fact that the government never lived up to their end of the bargain.

Look at it like this, the government of canada has been subletting an apartment to you, They raised your rent to more than what they origionaly had to pay to make a proffit, (re, your taxes ) And all these years they have not been giving the landlord the agreed apon rent. At the end of the day, when the landlord has had enough of the government not dealing honestly and keeping it`s promise to pay the rent on time, or in full. It is you, the tenant who is going to have to come good with whats owing, if you wish to remain in the apartment. In this sinario, you wouldn`t blame the landlord, and the landlord would understand that you too were dooped by your buddy the government. who through their actions put you both in peril.





2/7/2010 12:59:21 PM
Gord says:
to standswithpitchfork: A sincere thank you. That was well articulated. Lets hope it sinks in with some.
2/7/2010 3:11:24 PM
tbaybmkr says:
Ahh the poor me syndrome.... I'm getting hosed worst than them...
Guess what the Gov't doesn't discriminate, they hose us all "equally"!
2/8/2010 8:51:03 AM
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