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2010-03-04 at 19:50

Mixed reaction on budget

By Jamie Smith tbnewswatch.com
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The proposed federal budget is getting a B plus from a local accountant and a shake of the head from a local MP.

Don Carson, with Canada’s Chartered Accountants, said he’s optimistic the government’s proposed budget will lighten the $50 billion deficit and help Northwestern Ontario. But given Canada’s relatively small role in the global economy, Northwestern Ontario’s fate lies with U.S. consumption.

"I guess we just have to cross our fingers that a lot of the projections and assumptions that have been used will in fact pan out or in fact things will turn out better than they are because we’re digging ourselves a pretty big hill of debt," Carson said. "It can be done we just have to hope that external factors don’t cause the economy to go into a tangent."

With the government’s commitment to continue stimulus spending to the tune of $19 billion, Carson said the region will also get a leg up with Employment Insurance and research and development dollars filtered through Lakehead University.

"It’s pretty much a stay the course budget," Carson said. "There’s a lot of money continuing to go into the economy."

MP Greg Rickford, Conservative Kenora, said the budget is a continuation of last year’s "Canada Economic Plan" budget. He said through stimulus spending, Northwestern Ontario has already benefited from the first year of the two-year plan and will continue to do so.

"Some of these are extensions obviously it’s important to keep commitments that you made last year," Rickford said. " The emphasis is personal income tax relief…protecting and creating jobs and building on infrastructure programs from last year."

Rickford said new initiatives such as the $100 million green transformation program for forestry will finally correct a "structural deficit" in Northwestern Ontario’s forestry sector. Lowering the corporate tax rate, with a pledge to have the lowest rate among G7 nations by 2012, will help mining and forestry companies in the region to be more competitive Rickford said. And the proposed tariff-free zone for Canada’s manufacturing sector will help those regional industries as well he added.

"The bottom line is that we want to provide corporations with the opportunity to be more flexible and be more responsive to a changing economy as we emerge from this recession," said Rickford. "Tax relief is an important part of making it easy for them to invest in growth and expansion."

But MP Bruce Hyer, NDP Superior-North, said the budget offers very little for Northwestern Ontario. For Hyer, who won’t vote for the budget in its current form, the budget does nothing to help Northern industry and hurts the average Canadian.

"In its present form it’s a bad budget. It fails to create jobs, it fails forestry in Northwestern Ontario," said Hyer. "It’s a huge tax shift from big oil. Big banks, big insurance companies to average Canadians."

For Hyer, the Conservative government is "spending" recklessly by lowering the corporate tax rate. As for the green transformation program for forestry, he said such a tiny amount of funding isn’t enough and energy renewal was never the issue for forestry in Northwestern Ontario.

"We need loan guarantees. We need drastic action for the forest industry," Hyer said.

Hyer said he’ll be working hard with the Conservative and Liberal parties to change the budget before he can vote for it.

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Greenstoner says:
Mr. Hyer wants to have tax dollars spent in oan guarantees. I wonder if he had the wherewithall, if he would spend/risk his own personal money in such a way. Time to start treating tax dollars as if they were our own - they are! This is a fair budget for our very uncertain times.
3/4/2010 10:58:09 PM
tsb says:
If we hadn't cut sales taxes, we wouldn't have a deficit, which means we wouldn't have debt, which means we wouldn't have to raise taxes in a few years. (Which WILL happen.)
3/5/2010 8:17:07 AM
pieislandrefugee says:
Its decent. Not great, but decent. I especially like the cut in foreign aid. We simply cant afford to be giving money away when we have our own problems that need that money.

Im disappointed with the cuts in defence spending. With natural resources that other countries covet, the USAs power being internally gutted, we need to start stepping up to the plate to best prepare to defend ourselves in the future.
3/5/2010 8:42:01 AM
The Beaver.... says:
Mr. Flaherty also announced yesterday in the budget that Ottawa will proceed to make cheaper Canadian coins, replacing the predominately nickel-based $2 and $1 coins with steel.

That will drive them nuts at the Airports..lol
3/5/2010 8:52:37 AM
thebard says:
Mr.Hyer: Who wrote the NDP talking points Tommy Douglas ? Attack Big Banks, Big Oil, and Big Corporations.

1)The Tory budget closed a huge loop hole that allowed tax free pay in the form of stock options. That will take $ 270 Million a year out of those Bay Street pockets you hate so much.

2) As far as painting fossil fuels as the big oil bad guy remember that after Quebec develops their shale natural gas industry, there will only be two provinces who don't have fossil fuel income. Ontario and Manitoba. The Government of Saskatchewan for instance puts $ 6 million dollars a day in the Government bank from conventional oil tax alone. OIl/Gas has insulated Canada from the economic mess out there. Track the price of oil and the value of our dollar if you want proof.

3) Apart from employing about 40,000 people in Ontario alone, the banks have steadily made corporate profits which they pay tax on. They have weathered the economic storm better than any major country on earth. So what's the problem?

Talking Point Tips for your riding:

1)Re-evaluate equalization payments. A recent study showed that "have-not" provinces are offering a far better level of social services than Ontario. Oil and Gas income has shifted the economic landscape in Canada. Natural resource income should be calculated in the formula. And by the way, why does Quebec receive $ 8 Billion a year and Ontario receive about $ 300 Million in equalization payments?

2) Propose anything that will help Ontario quickly develop it's natural mineral resources. Tax cuts, incentives, a First nations resource bureau, which will engage the native population in a full time consultive manner to get mining back on it's feet.

3)80% of people polled liked your passenger train proposals, stick with that one. It's not a big economic deal, but it is popular.



3/5/2010 8:55:12 AM
thebard says:
tsb: The 2% cut in GST saved the Canadian Tax payer about $ 10 Billion a year. The Deficit is about $ 55 Billion a year. So TSB you are wrong on that one, GST would not have eliminated the deficit.

Last month a TD executive and Liberal supporter told the Tories to increase taxes. He was rebuked by Harper. But the Liberals lead by Iggy came to defence of the Tax and Spender .

I guess that tells us what the secret Liberal Agenda is. Tax and Spend Tax and Spend. "Were going party like it's 1979."
3/5/2010 11:01:19 AM
advocate says:
tsb, $10 billion a year would definitely not pay off the deficit, but it would help make a lot of movement toward paying it off in the future.

This budget is not an exciting one, and at this point in time, we probably do not need an exciting one. I would have liked to see the Conservatives do more to take care of the deficit. I do not believe that freezing fed admin expenditures will pay off the $150 billion projected 5 year deficit.

I would like to see some type of tax increase. I do not want to pay more taxes, but I also do not want more debt (or have my tax dollars being burnt away on interest on the debt year after year). With that said, a tax increase probably would not have been the best thing for this year, as it could hinder recovery. So maybe something for next year's budget.

I think programs also need cuts. But more so than that, an operation review to make sure those programs are spending efficiently.


Anyway, the funniest thing that no one is really talking about is that this was the big reason to suspend parliament. This was Harper's reset button on the economy. So the reset was basically nothing. I think it is very clear now that the "economy" was not the reason for the suspension.
3/5/2010 11:36:11 AM
Jon Powers says:
To All:

Re: The G.S.T.;

Each 1% increase nets the Federal Government $6.5Billion. This comes from the Mr. Finance in Ottawa when they dropped the tax from 7% to 5%. for a net loss of $13.Billion annually.2006

This ammount could go along way to reduce the $150.Billion debt projected. over five years equals $65.Billion less.

This government is writing cheques, future generations of Canadians can't cash.

3/5/2010 1:00:12 PM
psmith says:
the budget passes the HST.

the last brick in the HST wall is put into place with this budget according to Canadian Association of Retired People. It transfers the funds necessary for implementation in Ontario.

anyone who votes for this Budget is voting for the Harmonized Sales Tax.
3/5/2010 5:27:56 PM
thebard says:
Advocate. I told you so. Suspending the house drew a few protests, but then we all watched the Olympics, and now the Conservatives went from a dead heat to an 8% lead over the Liberals. More or less what I told you would happen.









You lefties have got to understand that the Baby Boomers may love Liberals and Taxes, but Gen X, Next, etc, don't like tax increases.


3/5/2010 5:37:16 PM
advocate says:
It is too bad thebard, that in your opinion, Gen Xers do not care about fiscal responsibility and prefer to burn their money away on interest on the debt.
3/6/2010 8:45:05 AM
Gord says:
Im getting fed up with this - the Liberals and NDP had their speeches written before the budget was even released. It's time for some new material.

3/6/2010 5:11:21 PM
pawn says:
@ Gord

I agree...but the Conservatives had their throne and budget speeches written before prorogation. But, basically, I think this is all that could have been done at this economic time.

Hopefully, when times improve, they will introduce a new budget.





3/6/2010 7:25:31 PM
thebard says:
Advocate: We pay almost half of what we earn in Taxes. Just how much more would you like to raise that? A simple number would suffice. Give me the number. I am waiting. How much do you want to take from the people of Thunder Bay in taxes ?

Still waiting for that number...........




3/7/2010 11:51:56 AM
advocate says:
thebard, this forum is not live. Meaning, I cannot reply to you at the same time you are posting. So until you hit enter and the moderators approve your post, waiting for me to reply is useless.

Our governments have a responsibility to present balanced years. When expenses are greater than revenue, that means that there is a deficit, which tends to lead to the government borrowing debt from another nation. Then on that debt, you have to pay interest annually. It does not matter if you pay down the debt or not, or have intentions on it. Our Canadian government has to pay annual interest from YOUR tax dollars on that debt.

I would rather have my tax dollars go toward health care, education, or even back in my pocket. But that cannot happen if the government carelessly spends more than it receives.

So the number is what is sufficient. The government has the responsibility to either lower services or raise taxes to be able to provide a balanced budget.

I am sorry if you prefer to just burn our tax dollars away on interest instead.
3/8/2010 8:04:16 AM
thebard says:
Advocate : You gave a politician's answer. In other words no answer at all.
How would you address the current deficit? Would you raise taxes? And if so how much?



3/8/2010 11:13:43 AM
advocate says:
Actually thebard, it is not the politicians answer. Politicians are too afraid to do the right thing, because they know that even though a balanced budget is right, it is not popular to raise taxes.

The vagueness of the answer is due to the different ideologies a party could take. One would cut spending more and one could increase taxes.

But if I did it, I would probably start by returning the GST to its old rate of 7%. The drop did nothing for the economy and drained the federal coffers. I would also like to see where budget cuts could be made. Maybe an audit of ministries to see where they are spending their money and how. Cut back on some of the extras.

At that point, I would need to evaluate what those steps would do, the effect of them, and then decide if I need to go further.

Only once we are on our feet, we can begin to start making decisions on further spending or further tax cuts. If we ran our households into debt like these guys, we would be on the streets.
3/8/2010 11:44:02 AM
thebard says:
Advocate. Thank-you for your answer.

I personally thought that cutting the GST was dumb. If Harper had taken the 2% and used it to reduce the national debt by $ 13 Billion a year, I think Canadians would have supported that. But once you have given someone something like a GST cut, and made it a central election plank, then you have to "dance with the Albatross than brung ya"



3/8/2010 2:17:41 PM
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