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2010-05-17 at 16:17

City introduces residents to first bike lane

By Jodi Lundmark tbnewswatch.com
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Thunder Bay is becoming a cycling friendly city with the addition of bike lanes on Court Street.

While symbols are still being painted, Court Street is now equipped, from right to left, a parking lane, a cycling lane, two driving lanes and another cycling lane and the city’s active transportation coordinator Adam Krupper said the pilot project is just the beginning.

"The long-term goal is to get cycling routes so we can get from the north side to the south side a number of ways safely and also east to west," he said. "We want to make it so anybody who is walking, biking, rollerblading, they can get from where they live to where they want to go, anywhere in the city, on an active transportation network."

Court Street was chosen as the pilot road because it was a major route –from Boulevard Lake stretching to the Intercity area – and it was the appropriate width, meaning few parking issues.

Krupper said there has been a lot of public demand for safe cycling lanes in Thunder Bay.

"Bike lanes really help in terms of increasing the number of cyclists because they feel safer," he said. "They also feel like they’re legitimized on the road."

He added it also helps drivers who no longer have to worry about cyclists weaving around obstacles now that they have a dedicated lane.

"The other thing is it makes Thunder Bay a more attractive city," he said. "It helps with tourism. It helps with the economy. It helps bring in a younger population and it also helps create a healthier population."

It will take the rest of the week to finish painting the symbols in the lanes and posting new signage along the street and until it’s finished, Krupper is urging everyone to take extra caution when travelling on Court Street.

There are also new parking restrictions on the road. From May 1 to Nov. 14, parking is not allowed in bike lanes and only in the designated parking lane. The Thunder Bay Police Service will be enforcing the new restrictions.

A ribbon-cutting ceremony will officially open the bike lanes on May 27 and there will be a celebration with a mass cyclist ride starting in the Bay Street area May 29.

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tsb says:
It's about time. Do Simpson Street next. It is wide enough and there are enough empty lots that losing street parking (which is hardly used as it is) won't be much of an issue.
5/17/2010 4:48:04 PM
jb says:
This is great news! I thought it would be years before any lanes would be created.
5/17/2010 5:14:54 PM
brightfuture says:
Hooray!! I look forward to a day when Thunder Bay is fully accessible to cycling, but I think we're headed in the right direction! :)
5/17/2010 5:50:08 PM
collie says:
UNIMPRESSED

This was NOT right!!! The last heard of this was a council meeting regarding the proposition and where it should be. I was under the impression would be up front of city council again before was DONE!!!
Court St. is a bad idea it hurts traffic flow and there is too much parking along it. Believe Algoma ST. would have been better as there isnt that much parking along it. BUT alas City Council did what they wanted again.
THIS FALL I HOPE people remember all this when they VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5/17/2010 7:45:54 PM
Rick says:
Wow, it sure don't take much for Thunder Bay to have a ribbon cutting ceremony, will her majesty Lynn Peterson be doing the honors.?

Anything for a photo opportunity.!
Tbnewswatch.com

5/17/2010 9:14:03 PM
mr. realist says:
wouldn't it make sense to have these paths on balmoral/memorial/arthur etc. so that i don't have to change lanes to avoid the bikers!!! and not on a street where it really doesn't make sense (in terms of area for bikers)

so when they get to the end of court st...where do they go??? back onto the 'busy' streets??? without their paths to protect them...does this make sense?-sticking paths all over the city without them connecting...i realize this is the implement stage but how will they actually decide if they were effective???

one last thing...i don't remember ever reading anything about our lack of tourism because we don't have bike paths...

i'm all for change but please spend $$$ in the right areas
5/18/2010 9:19:55 AM
ken1 says:
This is a wonderful first step.
The worst part of town to bike through is the intercity area though.
The path I use is through the dog park on Carrick street, it exits on Beverly street. All that would be required to make it more bike friendly is a culvert.
Bikers should go slow around the dogs though so you don't get chased. I love dogs so I have never had a problem.
Tbnewswatch.com

5/18/2010 9:26:10 AM
HBK says:
I agree with jb - What a pleasent surprise this announcement is! I hope they expand this initiative and continue to pursue projects like this. These sorts of efforts really do promote healthy living and contribute to attracting (and keeping) younger folks in our city.

@ collie - please stop with the sentence fragments. QUESTIONABLE CAPITALIZATION, and excessive exclamation marks...THANKS!!!!!
5/18/2010 9:32:54 AM
Grapesoda says:
As someone that has been known to bike across the city for work, this is a welcome change. I would love to see more bike paths and bike lanes available to connect all areas of the city.
5/18/2010 9:57:33 AM
storm says:
Ok so they put some paint down.. great ...but we still have a long way to go. We STILL need a safe area to go from PA to FW where we are not breathing in toxic deisel fumes...Get on it TB before everyone leaves!
5/18/2010 10:00:08 AM
Spectre says:
Wow what a waste of money, I drive court everyday after work and see maybe 1 person on a bike the entire street. Plus the street is so wide and north of red river the traffic is so light its ridiculous... Some Cyclists dont care about moving out of the middle of the road when 1000 lbs of vehicle are coming up behind them, like some lines painted on the road will change that...

And I know I know they have as much right to the road as cars and trucks, but say that when someone loses focus for 2 minutes and yur under the tire of that vehicle you stayed in front of...
5/18/2010 10:19:03 AM
ken1 says:
Also what time will the mass ride be on may 29th?
5/18/2010 10:27:31 AM
Peng says:
Great - its about time
Sounds like its part of a larger plan, so connections to other bike lanes are in the future
Sounds like good planning.

As someone who used to commute by bicycle in Toronto(and by motorbike, and car, and bus alternatively) I found Thunder Bay a scary place for bicycles. Toronto was easy compared to Thunder Bay. Here I had people yell as they drove by, swearing, or drive so close it seemed like a hit was certain.
I dont bother cycling in the city anymore- its just not worth it until Thunder Bay learns to share the road (or dedicated lanes are built)

When I hear comments about a driver losing focus for 2 minutes (!!! 2 minutes? ) and a cyclist ending up under the tire of a vehicle they stayed in front of (how do they 'stay' in front?) I realise we have a long way to go here. Multiple users on roads means extra care and courtesy from all (including bikes)- but especially cage drivers.
5/18/2010 1:08:12 PM
tbay87 says:
I'm currently in a city which has bike lanes on a large number of streets, great to see my hometown starting to follow. I can tell you where I live now, it's really a great thing. There is still a long way to go, but you can see it getting better and better. It takes committment from the city, but the results are amazing. The lanes are far safer and more convenient for cyclists, and the thing I don't think a lot of people realize is these lanes are great for motorists. When I'm driving a car, on a busy street, cyclists are a pain to pass and slow everyone down (eg. on Memorial, you basically have to go into the other lane to safely pass a cyclist, but if someone else is in that lane, you are stuck at the bike's speed). Bike lanes keep cyclists out of the way of traffic except at intersections, and it makes things better for them and motorists.

And although "tourism" may be a bit of a stretch, there's no doubt this is the sort of thing cities of the future need to promote a healthier, safer, greener image. One street is just one street, but hopefully it kicks off this becoming the standard (especially during road construction, which is a great time to make sure they get added).
5/18/2010 1:51:31 PM
Spectre says:
Peng - Mistype, supposed to be seconds. Really you have to ask how they stay infront? Ok perfect example last week, driving down algoma around between the LPH and the old hospital and there were 2 cyclists taking up the entire lane from curb to yellow line. One looked back, saw me coming stayed out in the middle of the lane. I slowed down to about 20 km/h unable to pass due to oncoming traffic. I'm not saying all cyclists are like this, some are more courteous than the people in the cars.

If cyclists want as much right to the roadway or wherever make them get license plates and insurance. Also impose a minimum speed limit if they are to be on roadways...
5/18/2010 2:11:15 PM
MR. REALIST says:
tbay87...

not everyone thinks this is a great idea...and ya it would be great to drive down memorial without the constant threat of bikers worrying just about themselves...why didn't they start there??? wouldn't this make sense???

again...i am for change-just not sure STARTING on court was the logical solution...
5/18/2010 2:27:38 PM
tbayfinn says:
Hopefully this will get the bikes off the sidewalks and riding on the proper side of the street. I've lost count of the times I've nearly hit cyclists running full tilt down the sidewalk illegally. Once cyclists start to follow the rules of the road and not run red lights or cross the steet to the oncoming side at a 45 degree angle to avoid traffic then they will gain more respect on the roads. Riding 2 and 3 abreast on narrow secondary highways around the city also does not do anything to gain the favour of motorists.
5/18/2010 2:40:56 PM
panzerIV says:
tbayfinn your correct there has to be respect but a car will protect you a bike has no protect. One is much heavier and going much faster then the other. I've had many friends hit by cars when people arent looking and they have the go. Respect is a two way street, i hope that this allows everyone both cyclists and drivers to have more respect to each other.
5/18/2010 3:42:23 PM
ConcernedDenizen says:
Mr. Realist didn't think too much about them not starting on Memorial. Memorial doesn't have extra space on the sides to make bike lanes, not without losing half a lane in each direction or tearing up the curb and widening the entire street. Court has room for parking + bike lane.
5/18/2010 5:05:05 PM
tbay87 says:
MR. REALIST, where did I say anything about "everyone", I gave MY opinion. And I'm not saying if Court Street was the best choice or not (I don't know all the factors that go into the decision), just that getting bike lanes in the city is important.

Spectre, yes let's make it more difficult/impossible for people to bike: a healthy, green form of transportation. Making it more inconvenient is exactly what our society needs ... And believe it or not, as annoyed as you may be at cyclists, many are equally angry at motorists, which is why bike lanes are needed, cars and bikes just don't mix well sharing a lane.

tbayfinn, I admit that I ride on the sidewalk on my bike on busy streets (although I go fairly slow), but the addition of bike lanes makes me ride on the street without thinking twice about it, so this is another benefit. Riding on sidewalks isn't ideal for bikers due to the gaps between sidewalk blocks and pedestrians, so if there is a SAFE way to ride on the street I will gladly take it.
5/18/2010 7:43:20 PM
tbaybmkr says:
This is great!! Keep the bikes off of the sidewalks!!
5/18/2010 9:13:47 PM
Spectre says:
Has anyone actually driven court street to see the bike lanes? Take a drive by Safeway, its interesting how the yellow line moves about a foot to the left instantly and then back again... Isn't that going to be kinda dangerous?
5/18/2010 10:24:38 PM
ranger says:
Welcome to the 20th century, Thunder Bay. I hope that you discover city planning next. Only in this backwater would drivers feel threatened and unsure of how to deal with cyclists. A person on a bike is a GOOD thing. A bike lane on a street that doesn't really need one is an improvement, but a great leap ahead would be to connect the impractical and baffling bike trail system running north/south. One day this town might be progressive...
5/19/2010 7:12:24 AM
puckhead04 says:
It is nice to see that the bikers have there own lane. How much planning was involved in layin down the paint? Take a drive down court. When one bike lane ends and another begins the center line is so staggered you are practically driving into on coming traffic unless you swerve hard right. Thank you tbay for laying down a gauntlet.
5/19/2010 7:42:05 AM
Doug P says:
Absolutely fantastic as a cyclist I am so glad to see this change looking forward to having a safer ride.threw our fair city
5/19/2010 11:27:23 AM
mr. realist says:
ConcernedDenizen...

so do we just wanted these paths 'scattered' all over the city without connecting...what benefit would that be...and the city will just have them where they are convenient to have...and not where they'd make the most sense...cuz i think thats fantastic!!! lets put a path where there was already enough room to have the biker!

tbay87...

my point was-toronto doesn't want them all over the place, yet you think that "this is the sort of thing cities of the future need to promote..."-wouldn't you think that the biggest city in Canada (a city of the future) would want to keep going with it...i know they have some paths and now it seems like they don't want them (hence council voting against the idea of making new paths)

my point is this...again, i think it is a great idea...but do it on memorial and such...not court st cuz there is room to do it and tbay87-if Toronto is turning against them...why does a town of 100k need them?
5/19/2010 11:52:22 AM
eddylives says:
After witnessing the number of vehicles traveling down the new super wide lane in their cars (elderly drivers seem to be the most appreciative of the new found room lol)
I would avoid riding there for a long time , then use them after people are accustom to them and their proper use. (no vehicles)
5/19/2010 1:36:35 PM
tbay87 says:
mr. realist, I have never lived in Toronto so I'm unsure as to their reasoning, although in principle I disagree with their decision if what you're sayiing is true. I'm also not sure what population really has to do with it, only big difference is Toronto has a lot more streets to cover. And quite frankly saying "we shouldn't do it because Toronto doesn't" is kind of like saying "Canada should rank up massive deficits because the US does".

For the record, the city I'm in right now: Waterloo, is about the population of Thunder Bay and the lanes make a huge diffeence (and they didn't hold back because apparantly "Toronto isn't doing it"). Also, in Waterloo the lanes are being added in a semi-patchwork fashion (not necessarily where they are needed most) due to convenience (mostly when roads are being repainted and/or repaved anyways), and although there are still gaps, over time it's starting to come together pretty well. It's moreso the start that I think is important rather than Court Street getting bike lanes itself.
5/19/2010 2:15:28 PM
collie says:
To HBK
what are you a spelling teacher?
Read how things are stated no fragments there.
Exclamations are used to stand out.
Guess your new to the age of chat on puters!
Capitals used to make your point stand out.
I could use short form but some wouldnt get it. Im not writing a book or a journalist so spelling and grammar do not have to be perfect.
LOL if that was the case lol no one could put anything on here. Free Country allowed to say what ya want, dont like it dont read it!
5/19/2010 8:04:02 PM
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