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2011-10-06 at 21:57

NDP fails to threaten Superior North as Gravelle wins re-election bid

By Leith Dunick & Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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Northwestern Ontario’s lone cabinet minister is heading back to Queen’s Park.

Liberal Michael Gravelle, admittedly nervous in the hours leading up to 9 p.m., when polls closed across Ontario, won relatively easily over his closest competitor Steve Mantis of the NDP.

Gravelle, who won by 2,400 votes in 2007, won his fifth straight mandate on Thursday night, with early results putting him more than 1,400 votes up on Mantis, a first-time contender. Gravelle won 45 per cent of the vote, compared to Mantis’s 34.9 per cent.

Conservative Anthony LeBlanc, a former Research In Motion executive, finished a distant third, earning about 17.6 per cent of the vote, while Green Party hopeful earned a 2.2 per cent share.

“It’s great. To have the support of my constituents is great. I’ve worked very, very hard to represent Thunder Bay-Superior North with all my energy and all my passion. Certainly it was a tough campaign. To be honest with you, I’m still not feeling really comfortable with the declaration of victory. But this job means a great deal to me. Fighting for my constituents is the greatest job I’ve ever done. To be rewarded with support for a fifth term is enormous.”

LeBlanc, hunkered down at Tony and Adams restaurant, said  he thought the race for Thunder Bay-Superior North would have been a lot closer.

“Our internal polling was obviously not up to snuff because we came into today really thinking we had a good chance of winning this so at this point I’m not really sure what we did wrong obviously it didn’t resonate the way it should have with the voters and that’s unfortunate,” LeBlanc said.

LeBlanc, who like Mantis was running for the first time, said he’s learned a lot from the experience and wants to run again.
“I look forward to the next fight,” LeBlanc said.

Meanwhil, Mantis, surrounded by family and supporters at the Moose Hall, congratulated Gravelle on a good, clean campaign.
“Congratulations you did a heck of a job,” Mantis said with a smile on his face. “He deserves this victory.”

Midway through the campaign the riding was projected to go to the NDP. Mantis said the loss did surprise him, but admited that in the final days of the election people did seem fearful of a Progressive Conservative win with Harris-style cuts coming to Ontario.

“People kind of went ‘OK, we know where we can go where  it’s going to be safe and that’s with the Liberals’ and I think that’s what happened,” Mantis said.

Ever the optimist Mantis said he’s happy with his campaign and, short of cloning himself so he could knock on another 10,000 doors, there’s nothing more he could have done.

“Everyday when I was out on the campaign trail I felt like we were actually making a difference in peoples lives,” Mantis said.

Gravelle, first elected in 1995, called it his toughest campaign to date.

“There was no doubt in my mind that the Ontario government had the most clear and detailed and strongest plan for Northern Ontario,” Gravelle said.

“I truly felt that the opposition did not have a strong platform for Northern Ontario. Having said that, there was this perception that the government has not been paying enough attention to the North. And that seemed to play fairly strongly with some people.”

Gravelle said his opponents all ran great races.

“It was a great civil campaign, with a great deal of respect amongst all of us and I really have a great deal of respect for Steve and Anthony and certainly for Scot,” said Gravelle, who lost best friend Raymond Mercier in the middle of the campaign.

Gravelle, the Minister of Northern Development, Mines and Forestry in the last government, said he will take on any task Premier Dalton McGuinty asks of him in a Liberal government, majority or minority.

At this hour it's still too close to call, though the Liberals will form the next provincial government.

"It's been a tremendous thrill for me to be given the honour of being a minister for four years. Whatever role Premier McGuinty asks me to take on will be one that I take on with vigour and with gusto. It is too early to think in those terms, but I've really felt very fortunate to be in a postion where the premier would ask me to help make some decisions related to Northern Ontario that obviously had an impact on the North."

Gravelle, 62,  said it's too soon to tell whether or not this will be his last campaign.

"This is more like a mission or a vocation than a job. I honestly can say to you I believe I had at the beginning when I started this 16 years ago. So certainly I see no reason why not again. Again, you're always there at the will of the people, so we'll see what happens. But right now I'm just celebrating with my incredible team of supporters."

Kyle could not immediately be reached for comment.

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chezhank says:
Well Gravelle can keep trying to get warning lights for the expressway and Mauro can put a stop to the wind turbines on the NorWesters that some of his constituents do not want.
10/6/2011 11:15:41 PM
bluejay says:
Well there you have it chezhank, nvjgu, and all the other naysayers and consistently negative people on this site. for years you've been saying gravel and mauro were on their way out. This must sting for you, but it sure makes me feel great to know that the people of this region saw past all the garbage and cheap one liners with zero substance to them and re-elected two of the best representatives our region has ever had.

p.s. hope chezhank and nvjgu and the rest were able to sleep alright
10/7/2011 1:17:43 AM
chezhank says:
@bluejay
You have to keep things in perspective.It looks like more than 50% of eligible voters did not even bother to vote,or voted for no one.
Of the less than 50 % that did vote,60% voted for another party and did not vote for the liberals.
Looks like 20% of eligible voters in Thunder Bay voted Liberal.
10/7/2011 10:05:10 AM
mr. realist says:
how do those sour grapes taste chezhank!
10/7/2011 12:49:01 PM
central says:
Congratulations Michael! This is great news for Thunder Bay Superior North. Very pleased that Bill Mauro kept his seat as well. Projects and jobs will continue to grow here in the Northwest! It is great to have to MPP's here that are part of the same Provincial Liberal Government!
10/6/2011 11:22:30 PM
yer joking says:
Way to go Mikey It is good to have an MPP that would rather work for the people than pose for pics and tell everyone all the things HE has done. Say Hi to Backbencher Bill when yoy're in Toronto!
10/7/2011 2:29:27 PM
portland39 says:
This is a step in the right direction... NO PROSPEROUS ridings ever elects an NDP candidate. Congrats to both T Bay MPP's and citizens not only on the win but for keeping the left wing anti progress NDP's out of our city!
10/6/2011 11:34:05 PM
ranger says:
Congratulations Mr. Gravelle! Keep up the great work for another term!
10/6/2011 11:43:00 PM
lefty says:
Great, now we can move on. And no more automated phone calls from the candidates and party leaders. Please, next election don't be so lazy. Pick up the phone yourself or go door to door.
10/7/2011 12:14:51 AM
hockeyday says:
Minority government and Thunder Bay and CAW you should be proud. McGuinty wouldn't take the time to attend a northern debate but hey what the hell we'll put Mike and Bill back in. Very pathetic!
10/7/2011 12:27:30 AM
dragon117 says:
hockey... how can you even call that leaders debate a debate. It was held at 11am, cost $95 to attend, and it was only an hour long. An hour to discuss all the northern issue are you serious? That so called Debate was a joke.

Putting Mike and bill back in was the best move that this town could've done, they have brought billions of dollars of investment and 100's of jobs to Thunder Bay, isn't that enough reason to re-elect someone?
10/10/2011 10:28:02 PM
panzerIV says:
Congrats to Micheal, and Bill on the win but also congrats goes to the other candidates and there teams for the work they put in.
10/7/2011 12:29:59 AM
PC says:
good news for gravelle.
bad news for the North West.
really bad news for Ontario.
They are here for another 4 years.
If new mines don't get opened miners will be here tops another 3.
They will be joining the exodus of mill workers leaving for a better standard of life someplace else.
All you voters who know the letter G and the colour red congrats. You have given permission for the Lieberals to really take Ontario out of the getting on track with the rest of the country.
More taxes, less jobs, less services and schools that tell you what you want them to teach your children. Plus pay them more for the priviledge of no say.
remember the teachers union got them into power now will come the pay back we know they will demand.
I am waiting for the price tag on that one.
10/7/2011 1:17:01 AM
DougMyers says:
I would submit that many people disagree with your point of view, as displayed by voting results. The PC platform may have in fact been better. Unfortunately it was vague and veiled to say the least. Hard to make an informed choice when only parts of your plan are outlined without concrete steps to get there.
10/7/2011 8:49:13 AM
PC says:
That is fine, to each their own.
with such a low voter turn out I don't think anyone really cares.
But keep in mind what I said for future reference.
Just hope gravelle comes and gets his signs taken down. they have been up since before the writ was dropped. getting kind of ragged looking.
There is always next time and I expect to help out that is if I am still in Ontario.
Kind of not looking forward to moving from the province I was born and raised in but with the way it is turning out it might be a good breath of fresh air. Mountain air is always good.
10/7/2011 6:59:07 PM
nvjgu says:
Im not Impressed.
10/7/2011 5:17:04 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Nothing will change for the vast majority. Their long slow downhill slide will continue. This oligarchy of free-spending kleptos will continue their feeding frenzy.
10/7/2011 7:13:20 AM
The Wolf says:
Politics, everyones favorite conversation topic next to weather. I find it amazing how people carry on about how bad it is going to be, how horrible the elected officials are going to do, how they are going to hurt the people. Then there is all the talk about the cuts, spending, the tax increases and so much more negativity.
Whats funny about it all is it doesnt matter what party or person gets in, all the talk is the same only thing varying is the yards the comments come from.

When will people understand that every politician, electeted member are doing what they think is best for the country? Why do people think the people they dont want to vote for are Evil Galactic aliens hell bent on destroying society as we know it, WHY?

Liberals are in power, we have Minister of Northern Development & Mines which for this region is a good thing. If we voted in the off powers the Minister chair would head down east and guess where a lot of the jobs for the Ring of Fire would end up?
10/7/2011 8:44:40 AM
lori says:
PC, you need to grow up. You lost, get over it. Ontario almost gave the man a third majority. He is more successful than Bill Davis who I respected and liked and all of your insults and down in the dirt attitudes mean nothing this morning.

Mr. Mantis was incredibly gracious and full of class with his comments. That is how you respond so Mr. Mantis if you read this, you just showed the other candidates how you are above the others. It is too bad your counterpart on the other side didn't follow your lead. Her comments were disturbing.

This will be my last e-mail like this. It is my hope that we can get back to discussing the merits of full day JK, the pros and cons of decisions and discuss what is good for our region without the stupid, idiotic, insultive comments that are so much a part of this site. Lets use this site for the good of our region, not simply a anonymous way to bash politicians no matter which party they belong to. Wouldn't that be a great change.
10/7/2011 8:54:18 AM
hockeyskates says:
Congratulations Lori. We re-elected your candidates, because they promised to keep the Good Times Rolling. Let's hope they can, for our sakes and theirs.
10/7/2011 10:59:51 AM
PC says:
lori how can he be more successful than Bill Davis. Bill Davis was and still is respected.
McGuinty is at the top of the list for the worse premier in Canada.
two things I didn't like of Bill Davis doings.
He decided to fund the Catholic schools. I had a lot of friends I didn't see as much of after that happened.
BUT that being said he and John Tory were honest about doing it. McGuinty lets muslims worship in the school cafeteria and allows girls to stand behind the boys and girls having a period are behind them all. How dishonest is that when he won last time by saying John Tory was wrong to want faith based schools?
The other was he took some of the best farming land and had a huge institution build for the mentally handicapped. It could have gone some place else but even that made sure that parents could visit their children a bit closer to home.
Also that institution got me started on my career of choice.
So not too bad.

Toronto almost gave him a majority.
10/8/2011 8:29:55 PM
PC says:
As I said Toronto almost gave him a majority.
Look at the colours blue and orange on the rest of the map.
Also with 45% voter turn out shows that the province is just voted out. No interest anymore.
Hudak ran a poor campaign but even so no rookie leader has ever won his first election.
Ontario has a history of voting opposite to the federal party in power.
When Gravelle actually does something for the rest of the riding I will stop my complaints. Until then he is up for being told I am not happy and I will tell him so if he ever shows up in my town or answers my letters.
I do not know Mr. Mauro and don't have anything to do with his riding but what I read and hear so often from you is he helps attikokan and TB. what! are there no other towns in the riding? To hear you there must not be. But I could be wrong.
Now the libs will bring back the gas power plants close the nuclear plants they can do that since the NDP went there and told workers they would shut them down.
luck to Ont
10/8/2011 8:40:27 PM
disappointed says:
LeBlanc, hunkered down at Tony and Adams restaurant, said he thought the race for Thunder Bay-Superior North would have been a lot closer.

Anthony, how can you fight the unions and teachers?
Union workers have to think like the unions tell them.
Teachers educate our children.
Teachers will always support the liberals because they get what they want from them.
more money less work lots of vacation time.
The northwest is in the wilderness with the liberals in power. And until they wise up that is where we will remain.
Right now we are counting on the mines opening but the way Dalton bends over for the natives I don't think it is going to happen.
So congrats liberals and Toronto you deserve each other but why make us suffer.
Toronto if you want to become a province on your own go for it. We will give you gates and call you a gated community.
10/7/2011 9:10:59 AM
ring of fire dude says:
Great , just great , 4 more years of lori
10/7/2011 9:25:21 AM
tbayguy009 says:
OR possibly 4 months. The wind has been taken out of the liberals. Now they will have to talk and compromise, not dictate. It wouldn't take much to have a non-confidence vote and the liberals will have to be careful. It is a minority government. They don't need to lose the votes of a several of liberals, all they have to do is unite the PC's and NPD against them.

It is MAD (mutually assured destruction) if ALL three parties don't work together.

It is like getting a drug addict off the addiction. It has to be done slowly. Don't worry, Lori is still on a high, but the drug will wear off.

The cost that McGimpy paid to buy this election will be seen soon. Most union disputes were bought out. (police, fire, schools and support staff, bombarier, auto industry bailout and even in this case the support for Buchanan's next little empire)
10/7/2011 12:32:28 PM
Pandora says:
Have they released official polling numbers?
I was there late and was told it was 40%.

Come on people, what is with that!
10/7/2011 9:57:30 AM
racki says:
Dear Doug Myers,
I myself could care less about how they speak in front of a camera or if they know there "Party Lines" I have seen a lot of people who look and sound good in front of a camera, no many of which translated to good leaders or representatives. Show me someone who is willing to fight for the regions interest and I will take t hat person every time!
10/7/2011 10:35:05 AM
DougMyers says:
In a career where speaking is important such as politics, I would disagree with you. How does someone speak for our region when their speaking skills are well below par. As for party lines, it's their job to know them and be able to speak to what the party intends on doing! If they cannot do that, what are we to believe?

Someone willing to fight for the region? Sure, Gravelle and Mauro.

Your welcome :)
10/7/2011 11:17:50 AM
The Beaver..... says:
@ Lori the emphasis here is on almost.
10/7/2011 12:27:51 PM
TWM says:
From the photo; Michael Gravelle "and that's how you pull of an electoral win..oops, sorry Lynn"
10/7/2011 12:33:55 PM
mr. realist says:
“Our internal polling was obviously not up to snuff because we came into today really thinking we had a good chance of winning this so at this point I’m not really sure what we did wrong..............."

Are you kidding me???? Start by getting some new volunteers to do you "internal polling"! OR....get off your high horse and face reality and congratulate your fellow counterpart!!!

PS. I'm surprised he didn't promise us a new hockey team!!! hahaha ride off into the sunset anthony...hopefully never to be heard of in thunder bay's political conversation again
10/7/2011 1:01:40 PM
yqt says:
Regardless of who won this election, deep inside everyone's brain they know they only two candidates in any provincial/federal election for the area that gave/give a damn is Gravelle and Comuzzi.

I laugh looking back at campaigns that of Ernie Epp, Bruce Hyer, John Rafferty,Jim Foulds and the rest of 'em.
All smoke and mirrors.
10/7/2011 1:12:00 PM
macdaddy77 says:
Congrats to Mr. Gravelle. This election was important on many levels. Hudak and the PCs idea of cuts were scarey for sure. He has the mark of Cain as far the history with Harris when he ran Ontario into the ground.
People can say what they want about teachers, unions, etc.
Northern Ontario is finally getting things going and making drastic changes in parliament would have put everything in jeopardy.
As far as LeBlanc being surprised about the results. He should stay at Tony and Adams.
He worked for RIM and promised a hockey team here. What a joke.
And he expects respect from the voters and get elected? Yeah right!
10/7/2011 1:17:39 PM
tbayguy009 says:
The PC's won Ontario, the Liberals won Toronto.

Thunder Bay became an island.
Tbnewswatch.com

10/7/2011 7:10:48 PM
chezhank says:
Lori can play Mrs.Howell!
Tbnewswatch.com

10/8/2011 7:06:43 PM
Cam Gibb says:
When years ago, my MPP did not respond to inquiry regarding Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System Pension program, Mr Gravelle, from the other riding in North Ward, did respond to emails, did go above and beyond by spending time on phone with them and legal official, mailing and emailing me what was legitimit or not. My great appreciation for him personally is loyal. Although I'm an NDP platform supporter ;-)
10/8/2011 10:41:39 AM
Recycler says:
I'll live with Gravelle.
Mauro (Mr.Camera Opportunist) a joke & failure.
NEXT get rid of HOBBS.
10/8/2011 11:35:23 AM
tsb says:
The coal plant here isn't even needed. It is an example of the government waste about which PCers continually complain.
10/9/2011 7:54:44 AM
lori says:
pc, you criticize me for my language than say Dolton twice. Nice

The reason I don't know is that it is private not public from an anonymous shot at an MPP. You expect us to believe it because some anonymous guy who dislikes Mauro ( although he praise him on the other article )posted it. Really, that is some logic.

I love these comments. The NDP campaign has started already.

Here is what I know.

Dalton was going to lose
Mike was going to lose
Bill was going to lose

So how did those predictions go PC from the "experts" who keep posting trash on this site.

I don't insult elected officials here by and large although lately slamming the do nothing NDP has become fun.

The election is over. Your party and your candidate lost. So stop being like Mr. Gilbert, say congratulations and move on instead of rehashing old stuff. These maps and stupid pictures from Chezhand are silly. I liked him better when he just hated cops, but he never did tell us why, did he.
10/9/2011 3:21:51 PM
PC says:
So I like to give people nick names.
Even PC cabinet ministers.
Tim Hudak is always little boy.
John Baird has always been cutie.
Two United Church ministers I knew when I was a teenager were Chuck the Rev. and the other was Sam the redeemer.
So get over it.
Did you know that predictions are mostly dreams of what we would love to see happen.
Some dreams come true and others don't.
This time yours did and mine didn't.
That does not mean I am not disappointed it just means I have to fight harder next time.
As for the silly map, it is the layout of Ont. after the election.
Ontario is not painted red. The Toronto area is painted red.
See if the NDP were in power instead of just getting ready to support the libs. I would comment on them.
like you said it is fun.
As for me remaining annonimous I do it because of the town I live in. If they knew it was me life would be unbearable as it is it is just very uncomfortable and lonely.
Praise when it is deserved critisize as required
10/10/2011 2:35:43 PM
whodo says:
Surprised no one commented on Lynn being in the picture!

Most people thought she left town, I see she is alive and well...

What is next for Lynn is what I want to know?

She never stuck me as someone who would just go away... she has a big ego.
10/9/2011 7:19:01 PM
whodo says:
Look at the two of them, Gravelle and Peterson, so proud and friendly.

Nice coming out photo. People have been asking about you., Lynn.
A year goes by, very quiet...

She has the a lot of drive and a big ego.
Where will Lynn show up next?
10/9/2011 7:28:15 PM
PC says:
Just read this quote by Gravelle.
” Re-elected Thunder Bay-Superior North MPP Michael Gravelle went on to say, “There is no question I’m a member of parliament who in the last four years had to watch jobs being lost in the key areas of employment in our region.
“This is the front-and-centre issue . . . that sends a message to Queen’s Park. We have to redouble our efforts in the communities I represent. As wonderful as it is to win, I need to recognize that there is much more work to be done.”
The affable Northern Development Minister in the McGuinty government might well have spoken those words Thursday night after winning another close election. But he spoke them in 2007

as it says he spoke this in 2007. May I ask what he did for the next 4 years to bring attention of the northern plight?
What is he or his government going to do to help the region?
I heard nothing but the party line for the entire election and obviously many people bought into it. He won. so what is next?
10/10/2011 9:20:59 AM
lori says:
pc, you sound bitter and angry. You sound like Fred Gilbert who displayed a tremendous lack of class after he lost. Maybe that had something to do with his losing.

Gravelle's words in 2007. Cute. What did he do.

Well he and Mauro added 7-800 jobs at Bombardier. They added a ton of jobs in construction. They added tons more in health care.

What did they do. Plenty.

Did every forestry worker go back to work. No, because forestry has not come back. It may not come back for years yet as our biggest customer the US is still in ruins. But many of them got jobs at Bombardier. Pretty good stuff.

Someone, anyone but you especially answer me this.

Who is it that is supposed to be buying the product we produce.

Who will buy the 2x4's, who will buy the newsprint.

If you have customers, let us know because I guarantee you, business will want to know where they are because they want to make money. Your bitterness at losing is really incredible.

Get over it already.
10/10/2011 6:28:48 PM
PC says:
Lori I didn't say it. He did.
We all know what he did for the 4 years.
I was asking what are his plans for the small towns in the riding until the next election.
I think Marathon, Beardmore, Nipigon and others would really like to hear.
Promising mine openings is really unrealistic due to the Native population in the ring of fire and the pic reserve not wanting the paladium mine north of Marathon.
So I am quite seriously looking forward to seeing what he will get his government to do NOT for thunder bay but for the other people in the riding. They voted for him so now what can they expect in return.
Oh yes congrats to gravelle and the libs.
You fooled us again.
From what I have heard China would be a great place to sell our wood.
Haven't heard from the government except a few news stories but from the people of China's younger generation they are quite willing.
10/10/2011 7:26:03 PM
wow! says:
Was there an election??? Sorry, did not waste my time voting!
10/10/2011 9:11:23 PM
lori says:
yeap PC, don't sound bitter at all.....

China you say. Wow, who would have thought of that. Thanks. I will forward that on to the Mr. Gravelle's office because I am sure he didn't think of that. Maybe our two federal guys could do something to help our forest industry. They did promise us jobs if elected.
Maybe Mr. Rickford, a northern MP could take care of this forestry issue. He is from up here isn't he?

Or maybe Mr. Rickford can't because no one is buying the product so pick a different topic already.

As for the one horse towns you keep referring to, when and if the forestry sector comes back maybe they will have a future or they need more gov't support, something that is not in the PC playbook.

Tell me, what is the PC plan Federally to help lift these one industry towns back to success. We all want to know PC.

We are waiting?

As I said, the election is over.

Move on already.

Mr. Gravelle won and Mr. Leblanc was a distant third.

Unless you want a recount?
10/10/2011 11:37:34 PM
PC says:
lori, your guys won.
maybe you would be happier if you found a site where only libs. can and talk.
I thought this was an open forum where things were open for discussion.
you asked me to name a country to buy our wood and I gave you one.
Steven Harper is getting trade deals with many countries around the world.
They did promise us jobs if elected.
Just like the libs. last election and again in this one.
Maybe those of us in this riding who don't happen to vote liberal should just stop paying taxes. We don't get any benefit from them.
Thunder Bay and atikokan do well maybe if the small towns had mouth pieces like you we would do better?
We all want to know.
lori I would answer but I will wait for telling me what is right since you know all and see all and tell all. You do not listen to anyone who has a difference of opinion.
please let me know what the opinion of all of Ont. is so I can join the sheep with dolton and never have to think again.
no recount want to see libs crash.
10/11/2011 7:30:35 AM
tbayguy009 says:
I think Lori forgot that the AbiBowater sawmill on the now, reserve land (they won't even be paying city taxes now), recently announced an increase in production and hirings. It's called selective memory.

Her local 'homies' in Atikokan can watch that sawmill get cut up with torches after the new potential owner walked away since he couldn't get a wood supply.

Now I wonder where AbiBowater 2x4's are going? And more of them because they decided to increase production? Any chance that material might be needed to rebuild the US east coast or torando damaged homes?

It is also true that China is buying almost as much lumber as the USA is from BC now. But again. The forest industry isn't 'playing dead' around here, it was hung out to dry, while 26 million cubic meters was withheld as some kind of 'backup'.

When clean coal gets approved, the money spent on biomass conversion will become a joke. Scientifically coal is biomass, naturally made, just without human intervention in making it
10/11/2011 10:27:11 AM
PC says:
Tell me, what is the PC plan Federally to help lift these one industry towns back to success. We all want to know PC.
Well lori, you say you are a pc federally I would assume you would know the plan.
So place a call from mauro and maybe he will give you permission to tell us what you know the fed. pc's.
I just know if I say anything on the subject it will be wrong, or misinformed or said by some immature person who needs to grow up.

nope still don't want a recount.
much more fun to wait while the libs crash and burn getting out of this mess they themselves created.
10/11/2011 3:24:54 PM
lori says:
PC, you have been bashing since you joined this site. You have been bashing since after the election. Lots of people disagree with me. That's okay. But those that bash, insult, mislead, I will respond to. Sorry for challenging your ideas. I thought that was part of the discussion.

Mr. Harper is doing his job thankfully. So too is the Premier. He won. Mr. Harper won. Rob Ford won. If you truly are a PC supporter, you have 2 out of 3. You should be happy.

But tell me this. We had 8 years of a PC gov't in Ontario. Tell me what they did for our region and this city.

List the new jobs here.
The construction jobs.
The new gov't services.

Tell me how much was invested at Bombardier. The new buildings.

Give me those answers and then we can discuss how great a PC gov't is. Federally I am a PC but please don't compare the federal party to the provincial one.

It is like comparing a can of KLIK to a filet.
10/11/2011 8:37:20 AM
PC says:
Tell me what they did for our region and this city.
Started the road work on Hwy 17.
Started the ball rolling for the new hospital in TB.
Got a number of people off welfare by allowing them to work and still have health care benefits.
Closed redundant hospital beds. why pay for what were not in use.
I don't think Mike Harris signed the nurses pink slips. He told hospitals to cut and they did. The front line workers. He said he wanted CEO;s cut not the workers. So the hospitals got it wrong.
OK. onto bombardier, it is wonderful that they have new employees. But could my tax dollars stop going to them. Just I hate paying taxes so that big unions can collect the dues from workers and then spend it on election campaign ads. Teachers unions do it big time and that is wrong. 3rd party ads do not need to show up on financial statements to election boards. Not sure but the company and unions can probably write them off at tax time.
Wow you must have a good job if you know what fillet is.
10/11/2011 10:35:06 AM
PC says:
Federally I am a PC but please don't compare the federal party to the provincial one.
Wouldn't dream of it.
Tim Hudak's team got it wrong.
They should have taken on the libs. in a Mike Harris style. Stick to the platform, talk to the ordinary folks and stick to the message.
Instead he got side tracked.
Give him credit as he increased the PC seat count and the libs lost some of theirs.
Ontario has a history of always voting the opposite of the federal party in power.
so tim had one strike against him.
also no rookie party leader ever won his first election. 2nd strike.
His handlers were progressive conservatives not conservatives. 3rd strike.
Hopefully in the next election in about 2 years the party will get it right.
As for saying so many don't agree with me how come is it that when I post I get so many agrees.
Also I joined just before the election so give me time to adjust my writing style.
Like Tim I am a rookie.
10/11/2011 11:17:03 AM
lori says:
PC what planet are you on. If your validation comes from the agree button you need some serious help. The PC"s closed redundant hospital beds? Is that the hospital beds they closed in T.Bay that caused the back logs. You don't have a doctor. They cut doctor training spots leading to a shortage. The liberals have opened up tons of clinics but you don't have a doc so that is the Liberals fault. They got people off welfare? You are kidding right. They cut welfare and threw people off of it. They downloaded costs to the cities promising they wouldn't and as for walkerton, it is not I that needs to read the whole thing. Give it one more try. So Mike didn't fire nurses he just told hospitals to cut. Nice language there.

Grow up already.

You lost. Live with it and quit thinking that every demon you face is the fault of the Liberals. The election is over. My FAV line of yours. Everything going to T.Bay Atikokan. Well, that's what a great MPP does. That's why I voted for him again.
10/11/2011 4:07:29 PM
SomeGuy says:
I'm not wild about electing a Liberal but this region will benefit a lot more from electing two members of the governing party.
10/11/2011 9:16:29 PM
PC says:
didn't mean the riding thunder bay attikokan.
meant the city and the town.
when an mpp or mp focus on one spot only that is not being a good representative.
10/12/2011 10:19:28 AM
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