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2012-02-24 at 16:41

Teens arrested at gunpoint after aiming airsoft pistol at bus

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Two teens could be charged after they allegedly pointed an airsoft pistol at a school bus Friday.

Officials with the Thunder Bay Police Service say they are investigating an incident involving two 15-year-old boys who allegedly pointed a handgun at the Iron Range bus at the corner of May and Leith streets.

Both boys were arrested at gun point by members of the police’s emergency task unit on May Street.
The handgun, which the boys had in their possession, was eventually confirmed to be an airsoft pistol.

The teens were escorted home to their parents.

An investigation into the incident continues, and police say that charges may be laid.

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pagirl says:
Wow, kids are dumb. They're lucky they didn't get shot. At any kind of distance, an airsoft gun can certainly look like a real gun.
2/24/2012 4:50:04 PM
udecide says:
Those mean policemen.......lets charge them, it's the Canadian way now..
2/24/2012 4:53:33 PM
Kidknapp says:
COULD be charged???? They SHOULD be! Again, our tax dollars wasted by irresponsibilty!
2/24/2012 4:55:44 PM
Tbaylifer says:
Too have to draw a real gun and point it at another human being, not knowing whether the threat is real or in this case not. Having it end without anyone hurt. Is a testiment to just how highly skilled the police are in this city. Good job. And no, I'm not a cop.
2/24/2012 5:17:51 PM
Delbert Grady says:
And the sissification of society marches on.

Theyere toy guns. Not real.

Theyre no threat. Theyre legal to own and point at other people because they are NOT GUNS.

Another major over-reaction by a police force that can justify their budgets by ticking off another mark in the number of times the emergency task force was "required".

The police should once again be embarassed by their handling of the situation. A simple one officer common sense could have handled this peacefully.

Instead what do we get?

Ohh, I can hear the crybabies in the back row warming up their "SAFETY" cries.

2/24/2012 5:29:18 PM
panzerIV says:
So your telling me that as a bus driver going 40-50km per hour that you can tell a black gun shaped item is or is not the real thing.

Or what about from 30 ft away with the orange indicator cap removed, its the exact same thing from that distance.

These kids are lucky they didn't get hurt and that our police force is professional. Too many people have been killed because of air soft or toy guns.

But hey, that just society being babied right. We should let our kids run around with the real things and shoot each other up like the wild west cause back in those days 'the big bad government didn't interfere' just like drunk driving and not wearing a seat belt bad government bad

Wow, you must really have some great eyes.
2/25/2012 1:21:34 AM
Delbert Grady says:
If you dont know what it was, whats the issue?

If I made a snowball out of dirty snow and threw it at the bus, should the driver call the police and tell them I was lobbing handgrenades at it?

Thanks for proving my point about being babies.

If we let people run around with guns we'd have less crime. Its been proven over and over again.

Are you just a hoplophobe suffering from hysteria much like the other sissys we now have in society? I cant tell if you are, but I have my guesses.
2/25/2012 1:09:58 PM
SG says:
You are definitely one of those people I wouldn't want 'running around' with a weapon. Heaven help anybody who offends you.

Show me the studies where crime has been reduced by a proliferation of guns Delbutt.
2/26/2012 9:54:00 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Why? Because I disagree with you, I shouldnt be allowed to own a firearm? I certainly havent threatened anyone nor implied I would ever harm any person, yet you wouldnt want me to have firearms?

A statement like you made is far more threatening than anything I ever said, and should call attention to the fragile state of mind that it would require to make such a statement.

If people offend me, thats my problem. None of us have the protection of not becoming offended. You see, I can handle being offended without it becoming a problem for anyone else. I certainly dont make statements that imply anyone is a threat because they have a different point of view.

So cool it there, and like a rational adult.

As for studies, theres plenty of peer reviewed and confirmed facts/statements from the studies of Dr. John Lott in many of his publications. Also Professor Gary Mauser, Dr. Langmann have plenty of presentations that show the facts.

but facts wont matter to you, only emotions.
2/26/2012 1:55:09 PM
SG says:
Actually facts matter a lot. But instead of spewing the hatred you write, I prefer to look at both sides.

And yes, I'd say you're a threat to the growth of society.

As for this 'A statement like you made is far more threatening than anything I ever said, and should call attention to the fragile state of mind that it would require to make such a statement.' - the honest truth is that you wouldn't win an argument based on facts ever, only insults and derogatory statements. Like we respond in kind to you.
2/27/2012 10:32:30 AM
passlake says:
They are considered weapons. It is not legal to point them at other people.
2/25/2012 8:34:57 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Sorry.

Firearms are not considered firearms unless they have a muzzle velocity of 500 feet/second or more.

So, firearms charges cannot apply.

Weapons? well, they werent used as weapons so good luck with that charge sticking in court there cops.

Airsoft is a TOY game thats played. They shoot at eachother all the time. Whats next for the public sissies? are they going to start phoning the cops because some kids played rock/paper/scissors?
2/25/2012 1:14:51 PM
Enquirer says:
Hank,

Just wanted to clear up a few inconsistencies you keep posting:

1.) Yes, in this instance, the 'toy' gun is considered a weapon under the Criminal Code of Canada. See: under section 1:

“imitation firearm” includes any object other than a starter pistol to which section 2 applies or a deactivated firearm to which section 3 applies, if the object,

(a) could reasonably be mistaken for a firearm but is not a firearm or a replica firearm as defined in section 84 of the Criminal Code (Canada)[...]

2.) Firearm charges could be laid in this case as it can be defined as a firearm under the Criminal Code. See: - paying attention to

"Pointing a firearm at another person (maximum of five years)"

Further reading: - read section 2.

Thanks for coming out.
2/25/2012 6:46:31 PM
baor says:
Sorry yourself there Delbert. They ARE weapons if they are used as such. A cotton ball is a weapon if I throw it at you. Pointing a toy gun that looks like a gun to the victim makes that toy gun a weapon. By the way you are confusing (not surprisingly) the definition of firearm with the definition of a weapon in the code. Man you spout off a lot.
2/25/2012 9:27:28 PM
Random says:
You obviously haven't seen airsoft guns then have you. They look like the real thing.
You have the right to bash police, I have the right to defend. I agree society has turned many into babies...i'm with you 100% on that. But the police respond to incidents the way they are mandated to. It isn't a choice for them how they treat these types of calls.
Although we haven't had wack job kids shooting real guns here yet like in the states,it will probably happen sooner rather then later, then how would you have police respond?
Lastly, you seem somewhat intelligent, why don't you run for a city seat, then you could get on the police services board and make those changes instead of whining about them on here? Think of it as a challenge to fix things up. Dare say i dare you?
2/25/2012 9:23:46 AM
imhere says:
It looked real though at the time as these guns can. I would rather them be too safe than not safe enough. They heard it was an alleged handgun pointed at a school bus. They did the right thing here.
2/25/2012 10:04:00 AM
baor says:
The gun used by the nutjob who was shot and killed by the police on Dawson rd a number of years ago wasn't real either .... the SIU cleared the officers absolutely. You must have the biggest armchair around.
2/25/2012 12:24:49 PM
TwoCents says:
If I saw this pointed at a school bus, I'd report it to. Delbert, I hope you're never responsible for my kids safety and well being.
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2/25/2012 2:07:34 PM
imchino says:
Ummm....in Canada airsoft toy pistols are clear w/ and orange tip. When I was a kid...they were blck, looked real, and I pointed them at everything that moved. So what? It's a toy! See for yourself...
I'm more worried about(the cost and danger of) a bunch of reved up cops pointing guns at kids.
2/25/2012 4:19:41 PM
baor says:
Wrong again Delbert. Pointing a firearm is an offence Criminal Code s 87(1) and Using an imitation of a firearm CC S 85(2), finally the Criminal code also states that every person commits an offence who carries or possesses a weapon, an imitation of a weapon .... S 88(1).
SO, if the victim (bus driver) believes that it was real then it was real.
2/25/2012 9:24:02 PM
TBDR says:
Considering how much airsoft pistols and rifles look like the real thing, I totally understand calling in the ETU. Hopefully these kids had the you-know-what scared out of them, and should get a mischief charge to boot.
2/24/2012 5:50:28 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
They are already snickering to each other on the phone about what they did...Betcha they can't wait till Monday to tell all thier flunky friends @ school what they did & how kewl they are...These kids should have been charged right after they were arrested...
I've never heard of someone being brought home when relating to a gun... It's like the youth kow think it's not that bad to do?? Another blunder by the Thunder Bay Police Farce...
2/24/2012 6:56:12 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
Hey udecide and kidknapp. Some people should learn from their parents mistakes and use birth control. Xbox or nintendo should have a new game out for ya soon.
2/24/2012 8:04:36 PM
imchino says:
LOL! Remember the 70's and beyond, when every kid was running around w/ a toy gun?
I know I was one of them, and that was when toy guns were black, not clear w/ an orange barrel-end. ...from what I've read, crime rates in Canada have gone down since then....so paying(many) members of the police’s emergency task unit to tell some kids to put their toys away is a bit overkill.
Makes great news tho!
2/24/2012 8:05:08 PM
Random says:
Difference was we didn't run around the streets with them pointing them at people, we played in our yards.
I'm still waiting for your "credibility at stake" response from the last time you posted on here.
2/25/2012 9:27:59 AM
userfriendly says:
The 70s were a different time. Unfortunate events of mass school shootings by kids have changed all that, and police measures are completely different as a result. There's no comparison to how it was for us as kids.
2/26/2012 10:15:11 AM
Wow94 says:
Nice to know that people are ready to shot kids.
2/24/2012 8:07:04 PM
pagirl says:
I don't think you guys realize members of the task force are also regular patrol officers and go to weapons calls regularly.

For anyone who also doesn't know, not all airsoft guns are clear plastic, some are solid black plastic that look like real handguns. And there is no reason to think a 15 year old couldn't have a real handgun. If someone on that bus had been shot, everyone sure would have called that a blunder! Some of you don't have a clue...
2/25/2012 1:22:07 AM
publicdomain says:
It's a pretty sad day when people think that it's ok to point a gun at anyone. The people on the receiving end have to assume that the threat and the gun are real. The police have to assume the same until they have a chance to examine the "weapon". This is no doubt all over facebook and text messages are flying around the city about this great prank...but it's nothing to be proud of. Those kids just don't know it yet.
2/25/2012 6:41:01 AM
Delbert Grady says:
but they didnt point a gun.

which nulifys your little sissyesque arguement, doesnt it?
2/25/2012 1:22:50 PM
jimmyboy says:
Please TBDR...calling in the ETU....can not ordinary everyday street cops have made this arrest...man you should watch the show COPS which is on every Saturday night.... regular street patrol cops in the USA take this kind of incident into their own care and control...that after all is real policing....compared to your reasoning for how we do things here in Thunder Bay....maybe we should send our boys in blue down to the USA to get some lessons on being a cop in the form of some type of exchange program.!
2/25/2012 9:47:18 AM
Random says:
Ahh jimmyboy, your post here makes you look like the little kid who got invited to sit at the table with grownups. Nothing intelligent to add, so you go with anything for attention.
A little research goes a long way to helping you look less a fool. You realize those ETU units also patrol along with regular uniform right?
You also realize that in the states, the cops have different sets of rules to play by, they aren't hamstrung like here, police can't even say something without getting run through an investigation. In the states, you can carry handguns, cops get shot and killed daily, so, is that what you'd like to see here?
People in the states have no problem using food stamps, maybe we should send our people here down there for some lessons, you know, an exchange program. People here bitch and moan that police get away with too much, but then do the same if they don't do enough. Make up your mind.
2/25/2012 1:34:52 PM
homelessteen says:
Sad how a couple of dozen school shootings have effected how the police are forced to respond to situations of kids reported to have guns in public.
The same thing happened to my oldest a few yrs back when him and his friend from cadets were playing soldiers in the alley with homemade wodden guns (they were 12). I am hardly an irresponsible parent and my oldest was not only a cadet but on the honor role at school as well as a mvp athlete.
Some neighbour called the police suggesting there were kids dressed in army camo running around with machine guns.

It is a sad fact of the world we live in. Its not the same as when many of us grew up playing protective service games.
2/25/2012 10:01:21 AM
yer joking says:
I can't begin to imagine the statistics that this bust will generate! SWAT Team, guns, paint shields, plastic glasses OMG the police department should be able to ilk this one for at least 2.5-3% in the budget. We may even get a couple of suspensions and a few Compo Claims. Good Job kids There should be ice cream and cake in your cell
2/25/2012 10:19:30 AM
udecide says:
Delbert Grady is obviously a person who has had many issues with police, his comments on here are always incorrect and embarrassing..hey Delbert time to find something else to do other than be on here all day bashing police ..you are such a negative person but your stupid comments do make me laugh...can't wait to read your reply but I only have a few minutes, I must go to work LOL
2/25/2012 10:28:41 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Wow, its like youve known me my whole life!

Nah! youre wrong. If I was such a hater of police would I be arguing for mandatory minimums all the time?

But really now, who are you to tell me how to spend my time? or how I view things?

I wasnt the one being negative. The bus driver, the 911 operator and the responding police were the negative ones. Theyre the ones who jumped to an illogical conclusion and over-reacted by arresting kids at gun point for what charge?

ohh, really, whats he charges? There arent any because there was no crime. The cops will be trying to think of some charges to get out of their hysteria ridden response.

They might throw out some charge just to take the focus off them for their failure, but it wont survive a court challenge. The family will get hit with big legal fees, get the chages thrown out, and the cops will remain heroes in the eyes of the sissys.

Happens all the time. Follow the case if you dont believe me.

or just cry "safety"!
2/25/2012 1:31:19 PM
tannharr says:
Either you're an American living in Canada, or you really need to live in America! I was always told growing up that it's rude to point at someone. Pointing a toy gun or a real gun is also rude, and can easily scare people. A school bus? Really? One day, there will be a 15 year old with a REAL handgun, pointing at a school bus, and it will be a child close to you that gets shot, all because you think pointing a toy gun is just all in fun. I grew up playing with toy guns as well, but I knew NEVER to point them at someone! Maybe if they pointed it at a tree, nobody would have freaked out. A SCHOOL BUS!!!! REALLY?!?!?!
2/25/2012 8:32:48 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
Hey Delbert :)

I dare you to get an airsoft handgun and go point it at the cops.

In your wisdom enlighten me as to how this is going to unfold. Tell me now. I don't think you will be capable later.
Come on, I dare you :)
2/26/2012 11:07:50 AM
shake'n'myhead says:
My, my Thunder Bay sure has one hell of a lot of idiots. I've noticed that 99% of them comment on this site and have nothing constructive to say. All of you are so smart and informed you's should be in some kind of governing position. You's have the answer for everything.
The whole point is that these stupid kids pointed this gun at the bus and the driver felt their and their passengers lives were threatened. What would you all be yapping about if said bus driver had freaked and put the pedal to the metal to get the hell out of there and had a collision with a car or pedestrian.
You would all blame the bus driver and the police. It's a no win situation in this town with you goons.
Put the lid on the glue can next time before you start composing your comments.
2/25/2012 11:08:59 AM
chbaker says:
If a special weapons unit had to be called in anyway, why do regular traffic ticket giving police need automatic weapons, body armor and a shotgun and a race car?

We could save millions a year by using lower paid traffic wardens to call for back up when needed, and not have fully armed storm troopers handing out tickets to little old ladies.
2/25/2012 11:53:38 AM
redmapleleaf says:
This incident could have ended tragically. Check out www.valleymorningstar.com for the story of Jaime Gonzalez Jr. a 15 yr old 8th grade student in Brownsville Texas who was shot to death by police on January 4th 2012 after bringing a weapon to school and refusing to put it down. It was later determined to be a pellet gun. In December in Edinburg Texas 2 young students were shot while trying out for basketball...one of those boys is now in a wheelchair with a spinal cord injury. In that case, 2 hunters were target shooting from a nearby ranch.
2/25/2012 12:21:09 PM
Winger says:
Why arent all of you upset over the fact that the militarized police pointed real, loaded guns at children and all they did was allegedly point a toy gun at a bus? Are all of you people backwards or have you just been caught up in constant fear campaigns.

airsoft toy guns are perfectly legal to walk around and play with and theres no reason to respond with fear like the police did.
2/25/2012 5:38:13 PM
Lolata says:
I'm glad that the bus driver called the police my 5 yrs old rides the bus and I would of freaked if someone would not of called the police regardless of it being a toy or not, some kids just find that type of behaviour funny and don't have common sense. I hope these kids get some kind of punishment from this either by the police or their parents. I'd say by their parents it would be more scarier for them then the police. Hopefully they learned their lesson from this and good on the tbay police that is what there getting paid for the serve and protect regardless of the type of situation.
2/25/2012 6:31:32 PM
pagirl says:
For all you armchair police officers, there is protocol for dealing with someone with a firearm. Until they are able to determine if that firearm is real or not, they follow this protocol.....so they can go home after their shift like every other working person in the world. Get it???????

If the bus driver, 911 operator and officers all thought it was a real gun....then it's treated like a real gun. Can't believe your lunacy, Delbert.
2/25/2012 7:39:04 PM
kirkage says:
Delbert.....a firearm includes a replica. If you are defending the boys and chastizing the police why don't you do some research first. Yes an airgun can be a firearm wih a certain FPS rating. However if someone points something at you that LOOKS like a firearm or is intended to it is a crime. I would like to see your reaction if someone pointed a black airsoft pistol at you in a dark alley.....i can hear the sounds coming from your body now.

maybe next time someone should say "nah its probably a fake" then when somoene gets killed old delbertgrady will be there crying "where were the police!". Typical, typical typical
2/25/2012 8:11:04 PM
WoW says:
Airsoft is a sport just like paintball. A sport that gets kids and adults of their asses and gets them outside and playing.
It's not the products fault that it is being missed used. It's the people who get their hands on it. Example I can go to a sport store and buy baseball bat and rob a bank just like what happened to a bank this summer. It's the persons fault not the products.
I believe that the kids should get punished for pointing a fake gun at someone, if that happened?
I don't think that police’s emergency task needed to be called if they new that they their kids.
But you can't put the sport down!
2/25/2012 9:14:24 PM
eastender says:

Anyone who takes this lightly, consider this scenario. You are driving down a street, someone with an object resembling a gun, be it a plastic toy gun, a pellet gun, an air gun, or just a stick shaped like a gun is standing on the sidewalk and points the thing at you. What the hell do you think your reaction is going to be? Yeah, I know, your going to assume its a toy, right? More than likely you will step on the gas, and rear end the guy infront of you, after which you will go home and change your shorts. When you are staring down the barrel of a gun, you dont have time to decide whether its real or not. You just have time to panic. Good for the cops. And kids, dont try this in your neighbourhood.
2/25/2012 10:38:19 PM
stopthehandouts says:
@Delbert Grady

You better study up on your Criminal Code before making rediculas uneducated comments. FYI: Any physical object can be considered a "weapon" under the ciminal code.

So yes there are plenty of charges not "firearm" related that could apply.

Thankfully your the only one who lives in your lawless society where pointing imitation firearms is the normal.
2/26/2012 12:36:28 PM
Delbert Grady says:
The sissys have spoken. What a sad state of affairs we are in.

Its a toy. Its not a gun. Its not a weapon. Nothing was discharged from the toy. Nobody got hurt.

Sorry none of my other comments got posted so I cant refute your statements here.

Seems even the media has been sissified.
2/26/2012 1:26:44 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
I'd say forget it Delbert. Looks like the profiling on you is unanimous and you've been labelled.
You will forever be known as "The Bag Of Hot Air".

Don't loose any sleep Delbert. All the spouting off here only helps individuals vent. All these comments fall on deaf ears. They aren't delivered to the parties mentioned in the reports.
2/26/2012 3:43:49 PM
Dontlistentome says:
What are the chances you'd debate your 'sissy' theories in person? Let me know how this might happen; I'd really like an opportunity to hear your theories in person. I have some theories about who would be confirmed the real sissy. Your canned Americanized views are typically laughable - but in this thread - just plain ridiculous.
2/27/2012 6:11:27 PM
chezhank says:
Years ago when the ETU had a standoff in Westfort,a friend's nephew was taken down by the ETU with guns drawn,when he bicycled around a road barrier set up on the road.
Time to get rid of the ETU before they hurt themselves or worse someone else.
2/26/2012 4:15:06 PM
taekat says:
I was a teacher at a school where a student brought a replica air pistol of a 9mm Beretta in the back of his pants. Student thought he was cool and wanted to appear "gangster-like" to his friends. I approached him and asked him to give the pistol to me assuming it was a toy gun. Later I met with the schools liason office and was repremanded by my principal and the office. Really what was a I thinking, I had no idea because nothing about the gun said toy and not even an expert could distinguish this pistol within feet of it.
2/27/2012 1:27:45 PM
wayne says:
time to pass the fake gun registry bill....lol

seriously though, it is difficult if not impossible to determine during a confrontation if a gun is real or not. i watched a cbc special on the subject, and there were many trained and veteran officers from across canada who could not tell if a gun was real or not from only 10 feet away. here is a link to one such story:
2/27/2012 8:36:59 PM
wayne says:
"I know what you're thinking delbert, is this a real gun or only a fake? You've got to ask yourself one question, do I feel lucky? well do ya punk?"
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