City of T. Bay Comm. Rec. Dept.
Hagi
Twice As Nice Thrift Store
Marlin Travel
Thunder Bay Public Library
Wayne Toyota
Township of Red Rock
News
Click here to see more
Subscribe
Community Calendar
Click here for full listings.
Poll
Polls are not available.
Polls are not available.
View Results Past Polls

Market Research

Do you own your own home?
Who's Modo
User Submitted Photo Gallery
Submit Your Own Photos
2012-06-15 at 16:06

Sabers rattling at Queen’s Park

By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
Are you tired of car repairs?With our 10 Year, 160,000km Powertrain Warranty you wont be dishing out any of your hard earned money on costly vehicle repairs.www.thunderbaymitsubishi.ca

Both local Liberal MPPs are surprised and disappointed in the gutting of the province’s budget bill by the NDP and Progressive Conservatives.

“I am actually quite angry about this,” said Michael Gravelle (Liberal, Thunder Bay-Superior North).

Premier Dalton McGuinty has threatened a summer election, just nine months after his minority government was elected, after the two opposition parties pushed through amendments to limit the privatization of public services.

Gravelle said the sections of the budget relating to the proposed public-private partnerships are crucial for eliminating the deficit by 2017-2018, adding he doesn’t want to see another election any time soon.

“I don’t think anybody wants to see an election,” he said. “When there was a threat of an election several months ago, people were very clear to me they did not want to see an election.”

Saying he was shaken and surprised by the new amendments, Gravelle said his government worked hard with the other parties, particularly the NDP, to come to an agreement, one that they broke.

“Suddenly the leader of the (NDP) is reneging on that agreement and putting in peril, quite frankly, the gains that we’ve made,” he said.

“They very clearly broke their word. I hope there is some way to salvage this,” he added.

Thunder Bay-Atikokan MPP Bill Mauro also said there is a lot at risk if an election is called, including the recent $200 million announcement for Bombardier.

He said it seems that the NDP and Conservatives have teamed up and might be forcing an election.

“I don’t think it’s something people want to see. It’s a $200 million cost,” he said. “We’ve accepted NDP amendments to the budget. There was an agreement in place that it would pass.”

If there is an election, Mauro believes people will hold the opposition parties responsible for it. 

However, Ontario NDP leader Andrea Horwath said she is committed to having the budget pass next Wednesday.

She said she also made the premier and the public aware they would be bringing forward some amendments to the 300-page omnibus bill and they're doing exactly what they said they were going to do.

“What I find disappointing is that the premier has decided that when there is a little bump in the road, instead of working hard to make the minority government work, he’s going to react by threatening an election,” she said.

“I don’t think that’s helpful. I don’t think that’s productive. I look forward to him taking it down a couple of notches and figuring out with me how we get to passing that budget on Wednesday,” Horwath added.

 

Click here to submit a letter to the editor.
iCar

Click here to report a typo or error

Tbnewswatch.com(36)

Comments

We've improved our comment system.
ibrando says:
Simple solution to stay on track to eliminate the deficit by 2017-18. Get rid of the billion dollar full day daycare...I mean kindegarten and all the new teacher hires that go with it.
6/15/2012 4:35:44 PM
random says:
No, keep it.
The gobs of taxes I pay have been providing free daycare for years for people who don't work.
Bout time the people who do work and pay into it get a break, in the form of full time kindergarten.
6/15/2012 5:53:53 PM
keiths31 says:
Dear Liberals:

You have a MINORITY government. Don't blame the opposition if there is another election. Learn to play nice and bite the bullet on changes to the budget.
6/15/2012 4:47:49 PM
advocate says:
The public did not vote the NDP or Conservative into a Majority position. But they are acting like they did.
6/15/2012 10:50:27 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Welcome to the real world of Politics Mr.McGuinty and Mr Gravelle.and please stop telling us th Public does not want a Election
The Public wand's you out of there at all costs and is prepared to go to an Election to see you on the Street.Idiosyncrasies has to come to an End.Ohhh and on the way out please read Don Drummond's report ..we paid for it..we want it followed.
6/15/2012 4:48:06 PM
panzerIV says:
Stuff like this is the reason people don't vote. Politicians (Federal and Provincial) are busy dealing with there own agenda's then the needs of the people.

We need a budget that gets the deficit under check
We need a plan to continue cutting even after we reached red to cut the debt
We need a plan to house retiring seniors
We need a plan to save public healthcare
We need jobs and growth

Pass the budget. NDP wanted extra things in there so they were added and now the other 2 are gutting other stuff. I've never been a really strong supporter of any party (I give Andrea Horwath credit for coming to town) but this is getting a little over the top.
6/15/2012 5:21:43 PM
advocate says:
Very interesting story. NDP promised to support the Liberals in the budget. They do so by refusing to show up to vote. Then they refuse to support the budget when it goes through the readings. I actually find Howarth to be the most negative of the three. Her campaigning style (not policies, but style) are close to the Republicans than anything else.

PCs say they will not support the budget, because it does not do enough to kill off the deficit (without giving alternatives). Then, in the Finance planning, the PCs vote against everything that lowers the deficit.


McGunity has a lot of flaws. But these two clowns make him look good. This is why he was re-elected. Most Ontarians wanted a change in leadership. I would have liked one too. But then they looked at the two alternatives and ran back to support the Liberals. Let's keep in mind that the Liberals did win the election. The PCs lost it (they were projected for a majority victory only until weeks up until the election
6/15/2012 5:26:03 PM
tadzup says:
Good for the NDP and Conservatives. I'd like to see an election to get the Liberals OUT of Ontario! Dalton and his yes men (including Gravelle and Mauro) need to go.
6/15/2012 7:15:44 PM
wayne says:
During the summer months it is advised that you apply 'Liberal' amounts of SPF (Same ol' Political Farce)
6/15/2012 7:58:10 PM
wayne says:
"I suffer from ED, 'Elect-ile Dysfunction', and this is the size of my caucus."
Tbnewswatch.com

6/15/2012 8:06:53 PM
wayne says:
Dalton further added about his caucus and ED, "I can't even 'budget' an inch."
6/15/2012 8:16:30 PM
unknowncronic says:
more useless spending...who elected allof these fools...oh yea...
6/15/2012 8:21:41 PM
waterunderthebridge says:
Whats the saying - Oh I remember - politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed regularly. This government ( like all governments) has gotten so full of itself that it believes that it is their divine destiny to govern. So they dont care about all the scandals - Ehealth, Ornge, Lotto Corp, plumped up Wind generation deals, excessive bloated Hydro One , Environment tax etc etc etc. They are no different than the Chretien/Martin Liberals or the Mulroney Cons. It is time to kick them and especially our two talking heads out of the government. It doesnt matter who gets in - not afraid of either Hudak or Horvath - it has been along time since both Harris and Rae did their thing and political parties do learn somethings ( at least for a short time ). So bring it on - dont want to see Mauro add to his gold plated pension plan - make him sit besides Ken B at city council.
6/15/2012 9:54:52 PM
miketbay says:
waterunderthebridge

it is too bad you don't have to use your real name to post on this site because it would be nice to know who you are and then I could explain to you just how uninformed you are. MPP's do not receive a pension plan, nothing, no matter how long they are in office for. Only MP's do and they have to be in office 5 or 6 years to get it.

It's also very scary that there are 27 people who also agree with you. C'mon Thunder Bay, in our city's history there as never been a government that has invested more in Thunder Bay. If there is an election and the liberals lose there will be all sorts of comments on this site cheering about. I can't wait until a year down the road when the money dries up and there are no new construction projects and the Bombardier contracts are cancelled and then everyone will start to complain again. We have pretty good tbay, is it perfect? No, but it hasn't been this good in our city in a long time.
6/17/2012 10:09:56 AM
yer joking says:
I couldn't find a miketbay anywhere in the phone book or any where other than the internet , oh here's a listing under I AM A LIBERAL and everything else is wrong.
6/18/2012 2:32:38 PM
briancp says:
I have nothing to say on this... all politicians have been disappointing... some folks need to start taking accountability... absolutely unacceptable. Maybe find other ways to cut the budget... hmmm political parties. We need Conservative here in order to get anything here...
6/16/2012 2:02:04 AM
Tiredofit says:
Nice comment with the pick Wayne, laughed pretty good over that one.

As much as I dislike the current party tactics, there's an old saying folks,watch what you wish for as you may not like what you get. If you read the PC Platform, they will gut the province to eliminate the debt and the NDP will probably put us further into it. With that said the current Liberals have done a horrible job and created the largest deficit in Ontario's history. We just can't win any way we try in my humble opinion.
6/16/2012 6:41:53 AM
Big Head says:
There were a lot of Morons that voted for Liar McGuinty! I don't know why? You must like paying more for things. Lets see. Health tax, HST, electronic tax, should I go on? He's put people out of work, refused to help smaller business, raised taxes and then decided to give a tax credit. Well, a credit is no cash in my pocket at the end of the day. If the other parties are PLAYING Politics, that is just too bad! Liar McGuinty has been doing it for years with us. Call an election. You've already made us a Have-Not Province since you've been running it.
6/16/2012 8:25:18 AM
arjay says:
instead of allowing Mr. Mauro to sit alongside Mr. Boshcoff on city council, BOTH should be put out to pasture, with their gold plated BS!
6/16/2012 9:19:45 AM
yer joking says:
How can Dalton call an election? Don't Harper and the Cons have a majoraty in Parliament?
6/16/2012 9:33:57 AM
random says:
This would be a provincial election, not federal.
6/16/2012 2:06:23 PM
miketbay says:
yer joking you are a regular contributor on this site and most of the time it is anti liberal. Yet you do not know the difference between federal level of government and the provincial. Maybe you should take a break from this site for a while because it is clear you do not have a clue.
6/17/2012 10:01:26 AM
cariboukid says:
Go ahead Dalton, call the election. I dare you.
6/16/2012 9:39:50 AM
outside looking in says:
As much as I dislike liar McGuinty, there are not a lot of options for the voters. Look what happened last election. It is time for ALL politicians to start working for the people and not for themselves. Someone should ask Conservatives why they refused to even negotiate changes to the present budget?
6/16/2012 11:46:03 AM
tbayguy009 says:
“I don’t think anybody wants to see an election,” he said. “When there was a threat of an election several months ago, people were very clear to me they did not want to see an election.”

I am a little confused. With 20 comments there are already a few that are saying 'we WANT an election'. That would represent a significant percentage.

Yet ... Billie hasn't heard anyone make a comment like that.

No ... no. I am not the one confused. The two stooges here are just that out of touch with the grassroots people. They only live in their liberal sponsorship world ... doing luncheons.

I say bring the election on. This province needs to fix itself after years of brutal 'liberalism'.

Nice threat of the bombardier contract though. Did the lieberals make yet another promise before all the t's were crossed and i's dotted. Yawn.

The liberal party will say anything to get the sheep to vote for them. Buying votes is what has but this provice in the red faster than any time in it's history.
6/16/2012 12:59:44 PM
advocate says:
Maybe. But keep in mind that this site is predominately anti-Liberal. However, 6 months ago, our city put two Liberals back in the Legislature. You may not like that and you are free to not be. But it looks like the majority in this region would rather have a Liberal in the house than NDP or PC (Provincially, at least).
6/16/2012 2:20:24 PM
tbayguy009 says:
I disagree about this site being anti-liberal. How do you think the two stooges got elected in a sea of orange all around us. The media is onside with them, as everyone knows TBay is living on the lieberal's generousity of the government (in one form or another).

Top 10 TBay employers are health care, education and government. (Bombardier is #9)

Healthcare 4200
Education 6608
Governmnt 4357
Total 15165

Out of 61,500 employed people (stats can) ... 1 in 4 work on the taxpayers dime(s).

Sooo Thunder is 'sensitive' to government money. It's no surprise then that TBay can be 'bought' with campaign promises.

Anyway - Thunder Bay Attikokan
MAURO 10,319
KOZORYS 9,881

Let's do this again. If only some Torontonians would change their government sucking minds.

These guys are in a minority and can't work without their old dictatorship numbers.

Everything from energy, to forestry, to health care is a mess. And the liberals REFUSE to change course. Except for going broker.
6/16/2012 9:09:10 PM
advocate says:
Actually, we have the best health care in Canada.

But I am sorry. This site (the posters, not Dougall) is anti Liberal. Any story, there are three things that posters discuss and blame everything on:

1. The Ontario Liberals
2. City Council
3. Bented Poles
6/17/2012 10:48:28 AM
tbayguy009 says:
You are referring then, to the grassroots people. Whom no one hears?

These shouts here, are 'our' voice. We CAN'T be involved with politics every waking moment.

If every poster is anti-liberal, again why hasn't Mr Grovell EVER heard that some people would LOVE another election.

Oh right. He is generally deaf to anyone outside of his 'employees' (1 in 4 working). And so he uses the media as an instant messanging system to twist the story.

You want political activism. It happened at the Slovac Legion.
6/17/2012 11:31:16 AM
yqtyqt says:
Canada is the greatest country in the word. I'll give you that much.

But Ontario has become a "have not" province within the greatest country. Your buddies Mikie and Billie are as much of the problem as anybody else. You & a pile of your liberal loving supporters are propping up a government that wants to pass todays problems on to our children and grandchildren.

You can blame Mike Harris, you can blame the anti-leftwing movement. You can look in the rear view mirrors for the next 10 years to attach blame. Sooner or later, McGuinty will appear in the mirrors and you too may wonder what future generations will be saddled with -"what were they thinking of back then".

What do the Ontario liberals, city council and bent(ed) poles have in common? They are all a waste of money pulled from the pockets of young people.

But before we forget, let's add the cancellation of gas fired generating plants, Ornge, Lotto scams, eHealth scams and bootlickers to the list of problems.



6/18/2012 9:37:05 AM
Tim H. says:
anti-liberal?

See what happens when you become so dependent on the liberal government to support you? You become completely blind to everything that is pro liberal.

This site is so far left/liberal its ridiculous.

6/17/2012 10:31:37 AM
nvjgu says:
Don't matter who's in does it , status que.
6/16/2012 1:36:37 PM
dozerman says:
I am truly sick of all the political BS. All the parties have lied and proven to me that you can't trust any of them. Who to vote for?? That is the big question! Who can you trust? Seems to me that the politicans need a daycare for themselves because they are all acting like bad children. If an election is called now, it will be the same ones running...then what? Why vote? They can screw things up without me!
6/16/2012 11:43:24 PM
DougMyers says:
Well we cannot trust Dalton, Hudak can't be trusted as far as you can through him and Andrea has just proven for the second time that she is a coward.

Once again Dalton called her bluff and she folded :(

Your job in a minority government is to keep the Libs in line, instead you run scared.

Seems there is no leadership anywhere these days.

Anyone care to join me in starting a new political party with a heavy focus on truth, integrity, a dash of compassion and good economics?
6/18/2012 2:53:13 PM
lori says:
some speak of McGunity lying. I suppose hiring more nurses, doctors, investing in mass transit, fixing education, etc are lies. Did he do other things that he said he wouldn't. All gov'ts do that. But how about the NDP lies. She lied during the debate. She told a story using her son and his trip to the emergency to tell Ontario what was wrong with Ontario's health care. It was a lie. CBC and CTV covered it, but not here in NDP media love in land. She said she was going to pass the budget. That was only a short time ago. Now, she said it was a qualified yes. She lied.
An election or not, I don't care. But I grow tired of the lies from the NDP. Except for one momentary brain freeze, always the 3rd party in Ontario yet they are dictating to Ontario. The far left and far right voting together. Amazing. Pull the plug and send her to the curb. Hudak voted no without even reading the budget. if that is the kind of stuff T.Bay wants, go for it. I will laugh at the result.
6/18/2012 6:16:01 PM
lori says:
and one more thing. We have had conservative, NDP and Liberal gov'ts for T.Bay.

Someone, anyone tell me when T.Bay has done better with gov't funding. Anyone. I have been waiting for 3 years for an answer from our "experts".

Billions here and we moan and cry.

Waiting for anyone to tell us when we received more funding from any gov't. I won't hold my breath. The "experts" can't even pretend to answer that question.

Yeap, it is gov't money. Tell those working or those lives that have been saved that you want it to stop.
6/18/2012 6:19:45 PM
Comments for this story are semi-moderated. Read our comment guideline.

Add a new comment.
You must log in to add comments.
Create a new account
Forgot password?
Log In
 
 
© 2013 Dougall Media.