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2012-08-16 at 16:24

Wild calls a nuisance

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Police don’t have the resources to take on more responsibilities including dealing with nuisance bears, says the president of the Thunder Bay Police Association.

Reports have come throughout the week about a reported cougar or lynx in the area as well as an injured bear. The volume of calls has kept Thunder Bay Police Service officers busy as they patrol areas where the animals were spotted.

Greg Stephenson, president of the city’s police association, said dealing with nuisance bears is another service downloaded to police.

City police and the Ministry of Natural Resources have had a good working relationship but since the relocation portion of the Bear Wise program was cancelled because of its ineffectiveness to keep animals away from the city, police have had the responsibility of handle bear calls now.

Stephenson said they just don’t have the resources to handle that responsibility.

“It’s unfortunate that things are being downloaded to us,” Stephenson said.

“We don’t have the resources to handle bear calls properly. Normally, when we got a call we call the MNR and hope someone could come out and assist us with tranquilizer gun or bear trap. Those options have become less and less available.

“If push comes to shove, the only option we have with the bear is to put it down.”

Stephenson said members will be meeting with the chief of police to discuss a strategy. He added that they hoped to contact Minister of Natural Resources Michael Gravelle about the issue.

Gravelle said the policy for the MNR is if there’s a public safety issue with an animal, people are always advised to call the police. That policy hasn’t changed and was in effect when the relocation program was still running, he said.

“The MNR has always and continues to be available to help police forces when they call for assistance just like we have been doing this week with the injured bear and potential sighting of the cougar or lynx,” Gravelle said.

“There’s no question that the police would like to see a larger role from the MNR but the protocol we have it place whether it’s the local police or the OPP has been that if it’s a public safety issue the police are the ones who are equipped to handle it.”

Gravelle said even though the relocation program is over, the MNR still can trap the animal if the circumstances warrant it.

He said if there’s an opportunity to tranquilize or trap the animal the MNR will be there.

“What I think is difficult to understand is that under any circumstances, if an animal is running wild it is difficult to trap it,” he said. “Trapping in the past was done over a period of a day or two. In terms of the situations that are indeed urged, that are indeed about public safety, it is far more difficult.”

He added the relocation program wasn’t effective in keeping bears away because they would sometimes find their way back.

VancouverIsland.com, an online web magazine, outlines some tips of what people should do in case they do run into a cougar. Here’s a portion of that list:

  • Cougars may be attracted to children. Their small size and erratic movements could make them appear as prey to the animal.
  • Supervise children to play outdoors in groups.
  • Make sure children are inside before dusk, and inside until after dawn.
  • Do not attract or feed wildlife
  • Pets are easy prey.
  • Do not feed pets outside.
  • Keep a radio playing.

If you meet a cougar:

  • Always give the animal an escape path.
  • Stay calm.
  • Never approach it.

A full list of tips as provided by Vancouverisland.com can be read here.

 


 

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cats says:
the ontario gov't has no $...that's why....otherwise folks, we live in northern ontario.....this is life!
8/16/2012 4:46:39 PM
countrychick says:
It should be the MNR responsiblity period... i dont know what the MNR does anymore....
8/16/2012 4:58:47 PM
Circular_Logic says:
I said it before and will again; only a matter of time before some or all of the MNR is privatized. Mark my words.
8/18/2012 2:20:56 AM
Suzie Q says:
MNR's funds are all being directed to First Nation issues...capacity building, consultation, forestry etc etc. The media should make some inquiries.
8/16/2012 5:22:51 PM
dad3192 says:
People need to remember that bears, large cats, etc., are wild animals!! It is not an open air zoo..stay inside, dont bring everyone outside to see the "cute little bear".
Where do you think it's going to go when it gets surrounded by curious onlookers who want to take its' picture? Then of course the police get called, and they become the bad guy when they have to put the animal down in front of everyone....
Leave wildlife alone...they don't want to be around us, and will find their way back into the bush...
8/16/2012 5:36:17 PM
tsb says:
The government explained why they won't take a bigger role in this a few months ago when the government cut its funding.
8/16/2012 5:58:23 PM
tbay09 says:
What about conservation officers? It seems they would have more wildlife training than police officers...
8/16/2012 6:03:03 PM
Tiredofit says:
I suggest we call Bill & Mike to deal with it, it was there party that cut the support for the conservation officers.
8/16/2012 6:07:43 PM
ranma says:
Because these types of events are not an issue in Southern Ontario, they do not care. If such incidences happened in the Muskoka area where our rich politicians holiday, you betcha that the MNR would have more than enough founding to help with these situations. But since there are no issues in the South, the MNR is seen as an expendable force.
8/16/2012 6:21:08 PM
jimmyboy says:
Wow Wee...Greg Stephenson appears to be somewhat confused, in one breath he states "We don’t have the resources to handle bear calls properly. Normally, when we got a call we call the MNR and hope someone could come out and assist us with tranquilizer gun or bear trap." and Gravelle then states "Gravelle said the policy for the MNR is if there’s a public safety issue with an animal, people are always advised to call the police. That policy hasn’t changed and was in effect when the relocation program was still running" and also states " Gravelle said even though the relocation program is over, the MNR still can trap the animal if the circumstances warrant it.He said if there’s an opportunity to tranquilize or trap the animal the MNR will be there."

So from a readers point of view...In conclusion I believe we have a very uninformed/inept as well a whinny cop and "President of the Thunder Bay Police Association" combined.!

8/16/2012 6:47:49 PM
Janie says:
I'm more likely to believe that what Michael Gravelle is saying and what the police are experiencing is not the same thing. Gravelle can say all he'd like that they come out and help when they are called, but if the police are finding they are told no one is available when they call then it just isn't reality. But I don't work at the MNR or the police department, so I don't know for sure.
8/17/2012 9:01:48 AM
Fluffy says:
Catch the cougar and dump it off in Gravelle's back yard. Better yet, big daddy Dalton's yard. I bet the MNR would be there immediately.
8/16/2012 7:32:27 PM
feduptaxpayer#1 says:
'why the MNR doesn't have a larger role'!? Are you kidding me!? If someone illegally shoots a moose in the middle of nowhere, the MNR is on them in days! The MNR should do our policing!
8/16/2012 7:35:20 PM
nopatience4stupidity says:
The Bear Wise program wasn't cancelled because of its ineffectiveness, but its cost. Governement couldn't download this, so claim it doesn't work and then eliminate it. $$ saved and less workers needed. When trouble happens, call the police and let them handle it - Oh wait all they can really do is shoot the bear if it won't go away. Nevertheless, problem still solved at no further cost to the provincial government.
8/16/2012 8:14:40 PM
stephernova says:
Our number one concern is public safety.. "It's unfortunate that things are being downloaded to us"...Stop whining and DO something about it. I'm really annoyed with this article b/c the public are clearly worried about safety and the police are saying it's not their jobs?? Give me a break and find the darn bear!! Then call the MNRm unless they find them first. If public safety is too tedious a task, then get off the force and find a new job!
8/16/2012 8:35:05 PM
localdog says:
Also in 2008 the Ontario SPCA, of which the Thunder Bay & District Humane Society is affiliated, announced they would no longer provide after-hours service. This applied to all branches and affiliates in Ontario, including the TBDHS. All after-hours calls are now handled by the Thunder Bay Police, yet another workload dumped on to them. And now that the Humane Society is without an inspector or any competent agents the police are getting more animal welfare related calls than ever.
8/16/2012 8:40:57 PM
chezhank says:
The city should just put bikes out around the city.......the bears will relocate themselves!
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8/16/2012 8:53:24 PM
Tiredofit says:
Just as long as they stay off the sidewalks and use the new bike lanes, I'm cool with it
8/17/2012 6:41:33 AM
iceman says:
Let's get the police out of the office and onto the streets. We have far to many police in non helpful roles
8/16/2012 9:11:37 PM
jamesbrown says:
well maybe the government or city should look at private contracts for disposal or capture of these animals..like the states where private people are paid to remove dangerous animals or critters,,,
8/16/2012 9:30:03 PM
Chaos says:
$1000 bounty on each predator. Problem solved. Every hunter in Tbay district will be on it and it only will cost 2000 to the taxpayer.

8/16/2012 10:01:12 PM
Ed itw says:
I don't see any info here from the police dept.

Just a union presidents concerns.
8/16/2012 10:09:40 PM
Bent_pole says:
Maybe if we didn't spend so much money on those bent poles at the Marina the bears would handle themselves!! Cougars are crazy!
8/16/2012 11:02:39 PM
nvjgu says:
I guess it's going to take someone getting hurt or killed before someone does something.
8/16/2012 11:34:30 PM
spooner19 says:
dad3192 says: Totally agree with your comment if people diden't stand around starring at a bear that's up in a tree then police would not have to shoot the bear. Leave wildlife alone and will go back in the bush. Don't people have anything better to do but watch wild animals and call police about sighting one. It seems police are spending more time searching for a cougar than searching for wanted criminals. Oh and try calling the MNR about anything, according to them nothing is there job not really sure what they actually do?
8/17/2012 12:01:27 AM
dee16 says:
Can I just point out something (in case anyone forgot, We live in Canada...SURPRISE! there are wild animals here :o !!
8/17/2012 12:21:12 AM
hotchoc says:
when I stop seeing 5-6 cops in a coffee shop at one time, for far longer than 15 minutes, I will accept the words of this union guy that there are not enough cops in Thunder Bay. On last report there are over 220 cops here. If that is not enough, staffing is not the problem Mr. Union guy.
8/17/2012 6:44:15 AM
tbay outdoorsman says:
again its all about the mighty dollar.mnr dont have the man power neither do the local police,a private contractor would pose a public safety risk on and on news flash your NOT going to catch a cougar driving a atv up and down a bike path,the police are not going to catch any animal showing up ten or more mins after it was spotted by driving up and down a road.if its in the city its public safety according to gravell but hello its wild life therefore the trained officers of the mnr should have been on it and tracked it by now,they have no clue how to track a cougar clearly.i bet you gravell is trying to think of an outdoors card to walk the city like a fishing or hunting licence for funding.give me a break.i have seen three conservation officers at one time checking fishing licences at the local rivers theres money for that.get someone that knows what there doing in there before a kid gets killed.for those of you that think bears and cougars are not dangerous go catch the fuzzy beast
8/17/2012 7:27:01 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Under-staffed they say, yet there's well over 200 cars parked in the employee lot at our Thunder Bay Police Tactical Center-for-Excellence HQ.
8/17/2012 8:24:21 AM
unionbay880 says:
The police can handle it just not how the public wants. The prescription for nuisance bears is multiple 65g doses of copper / lead combination delivered in succession at 2700fps. The condition is then cured. Deliver in a safe direction.
8/17/2012 8:49:43 AM
localdog says:
Would be great if the same prescription was legal for nuisance commenters.
8/17/2012 10:54:56 AM
bttnk says:
Greg Stephenson, you and the police officers are going to get very little sympathy from us. Time to get out of the office and onto the streets. Bears in the city are a public safety issue and should be handled by the police. Maybe forget about the seat-belt checks (one set up yesterday at Arthur and the Express-Way) and do something productive. Over-paid and under-worked.
8/17/2012 8:50:01 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
Any call is a nuisance call for police now a days. They just want to finish their shift doing as little as possible, have some pride in your job and lay off the tim hortons.
8/17/2012 8:54:44 AM
twisted says:
So, let me guess, all the cops were just lining up for unlimited overtime to look for a cougar... this is where ate taxes are going people!!!!
8/17/2012 8:57:24 AM
twisted says:
What a sad city..... this has been the top story for the last week, police are getting mad overtime to look for a cat.... this city is going down the tubes!!!
8/17/2012 9:00:25 AM
reignmaker says:
The cops are supposed to do what exactly with the wild animals? Taze/mace then arrest?

Cops cannot do much other than control the people around the animal and shoot it dead. This is an MNR issue. Certainly, cops are called for crowd control but the MNR is the organization with the proper equipment to safely handle bears and other large animals. ASPs, mace and handguns will not help the situation. Hell, a handgun shot will just anger the bear since their skulls are so thick.
8/17/2012 9:18:29 AM
TWM says:
One morning I looked out my back window and noticed a coyote frantically walking up and down the backlane. It was clearly lost and desparately looking to get out of town. These wild animals do not want to have any contact with humans, when they have no escape route, they will attack but not out of aggression but out of purely instinctual reaction. Animals cannot be objective about their situation like humans can. These animals are subjective in that they cannot separate reality and what could be. They are at our mercy when they wander into our lives. I turned around and cooked breakfast that morning.
8/17/2012 9:22:33 AM
endtimesfan says:
When my mother and her brothers used to walk to school, they walked past bears all the time. The bears were everywhere! Our society has become a bunch of hysterical lunatics. Leave wildlife alone and it will leave you alone. I'm out everyday and I have never once this summer seen a bear, a cougar or any other wild animal except the squirrels in the city. Sometimes I think some people go looking for trouble!
8/17/2012 9:28:29 AM
student21 says:
well...i do hope that this recent fascination with the cat promotes people into being more aware and respectful of nature and wildlife! I hope that people get a better sense of how habitats are being destroyed worldwide and get a better sense of respect for these animals..
8/17/2012 9:28:58 AM
twisted says:
I have an idea.... instead of taking coffee breaks at Tims, start taking them at Macs and proactively stop the crime.....
8/17/2012 9:29:35 AM
dee16 says:
Did you even think about that before you wrote it? "coffee BREAKS", next time you're on you're coffee BREAK at work, you should probably patrol the street, or maybe run a cross walk, or just continue working, since you expect the officers to work through their BREAKS, kind of sounds like you're saying cops shouldn't have BREAKS...Guess neither should you.
8/17/2012 10:19:26 AM
crazyforweed says:
If this were the states ,these wild animals would have been taken care of already probly dead.. but it wouldn't be going on for a whole week like it has in city ,maybe let the hunters in this city take care of the issue ,atleast with tranquelizers that way the animal can be placed back into the wild
8/17/2012 9:30:41 AM
twisted says:
Animals are better than people and should be treated as such!!
8/17/2012 9:30:59 AM
dad3192 says:
Seatbelt check on the expressway? think that would be opp...as for seeing 5 or 6 cops in the coffee shop..good luck seeing 5 or 6 working on the road at any given time!
Iceman is right...get more out on the street out of "non-helpful roles"!!
8/17/2012 9:50:47 AM
JIMMY2 says:
Is it ever going to be enough? You all bash the city police no matter if they do their jobs or not, and now that they have citizens calling in cause they see an animal, their just not doing their jobs again, Maybe if people stop calling in sitings, and let the animals be, if you are in harm, or it attempts to attack you, then ok make a call, but why are we playing hide and seek with bears and cats, when police have jobs to do, maybe if people had real emergencies and stopped wasting city officials time, they would get a better reply from the city.
8/17/2012 9:55:49 AM
tbay outdoorsman says:
lets be real here there will always be differing opnions here,but it is only logical to think these animals are here for a reason and not lost as some might claim.lol look around the city no matter where you go theres deer everywhere,it only makes sence they are hunting what is a real emergency?a stolen lawnmower?a wouned bear is a dangerous bear thats a fact.it was the cops that urged the public to call in sightings.was it not.if it attemps to attack then call?if either a cougar attempts or a bear for that matter to attack you wont be around to make a call do you know how fast these animals are?geez good thing all kids have phones now i guess.theres a chance this cougar has rabies mainge or other illness no one knows,for the publics sake please do keep making calls about sightings its best to know where these animals are you would think.
8/17/2012 10:25:19 AM
unionbay880 says:
Oh great if Hobbs watches this episode he will enact the "bear tax".
8/17/2012 12:37:26 PM
macsmom says:
Wow! I'm shocked at the pessimism in these comments towards our police. Most I'm sure have no idea about the workload of these officers. Also, name one job out there that doesn't allow its workers to take a coffee break? Most officers don't get the luxery but should they be chastized if they actually do get a break in thier day and choose to chill for a few minutes? Personally I think the Police are overtaxed and not in a good way.
8/17/2012 11:53:35 AM
tbay09 says:
Agreed, macsmom. What a great luxury - to be able to criticize police and how they do their job, while being blissfully unaware of half of the danger and unpleasantness they have to deal with on a daily basis. I'm sure if some of the critics here had to spend a day in the life of an officer, they would change their tune pretty quickly. Most people today complain about how stressful their jobs are, and yet have no idea about some of the calls police have to respond to. Perhaps a bit more gratitude is in order for these officers that protect your lifestyle and wellbeing.
8/17/2012 12:32:36 PM
eddylives says:
It is time for the mnr to step up or step aside.
And I mean all together , if you cannot take care of business here then why are you out in the bush harassing the crap out of everyone?
I am tired of all the half assed enforcement being done at all levels of government , why do they get to pick and choose when and what they will enforce and be too lazy/uncaring to apply the rules and regulations evenly?
You can't just pick and choose like they do so often....shift end , too much work , I know that person etc etc , the excuses are endless it seems.
8/17/2012 2:13:51 PM
Mastermind says:
Can we bash the cops anymore? Let me suggest that the public specify exactly which calls to go to, which criminal code sections to enforce, or which provincial offenses they want police to act on. I think you will find that no matter what someone will complain because that's what the people in this city do. Everyoneis always worried that someone else is getting more, or able to do less. Remember that the "better equipped "MNR can only tranquilizer when the bear is treed and not planning on fleeing. Try doing it when the bear is on flatland he won't be very happy. Shotgun time. Tim Hortons jokes very original.
8/17/2012 3:03:09 PM
wayne says:
I wouldn't be surprised if the wild big cat and bear are in breach of probation
8/18/2012 3:18:53 PM
wayne says:
Chezhank, thanks for the chuckle with that photo!...lol

Tiredofit, I believe the wheel diameter in Chezhank's photo is small enough to permit the bear to ride on the sidewalks....lol

Funny stuff!
8/18/2012 10:05:33 PM
Shortwave says:
It just sucks that the baby and mother bear where I live are likely going to end in tragedy because theres nobody willing to relocate them. The mother has been in our backyards and now breaking into peoples garages and more. I'm not sure if someone has taken care of it themselves yet but it's too bad that baby is likely going to be left on it's own to die. Unless it was also shot already by someone.. Could of all been avoided if the someone would simply let the MNR use all those bear traps I helped build with my own hands for them.
8/19/2012 9:49:46 AM
daryl060761 says:
LOL at the cycling bear pic. We've created bicylce lanes for these bears. All they have to do is use them. ;)
8/20/2012 2:30:15 PM
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