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2009-12-21 at 15:02

LUFA protest

By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
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Hundreds marched down Oliver Road to the steps outside Lakehead University’s Agora Monday to protest the institute’s decision to lock out its staff.

The university administration announced earlier this year that it would shut down Lakehead from Dec. 21 to 24 to save money, claiming they were in serious financial trouble. They are now in an arbitration battle with the Lakehead University Faculty Association.

LUFA president Joey Farrell said the shutdown has had a huge impact on the staff.

"One of the first things they did was try to shorten exams and try to get us to have all our marking and whatnot finished a week early, which was almost an impossible task," she said.

"The only way the professors can get it done is going to be to work during these days and work on our holidays between Christmas and New Year’s."

That leaves staff doing work on their own time over the shutdown days and not getting paid for that work, Farrell said.

"We still have classes to teach on Jan. 4," she said. "There are many who are still marking exams because there was no feasible way they could have had that finished by last week. It’s just there is no way this is four days that people are going to sit back and (say), ‘oh, great! We have nothing to do at work.’"

In addition to the local unions and community members who came out to the protest to show their support, more than 30 people came from across the country from as far east as Newfoundland to Saskatchewan in the west.

If Lakehead gets away with shutting down the school this week, it could set a dangerous precedent, said Jim Turk, executive director for the Canadian Association of University Teachers – an organization that represents faculty and academic staff from 122 of the country’s universities and colleges.

"It’s the most flagrant violation of collective agreements we’ve seen in this country," said Turk. "A number of universities are claiming they’re in financial trouble. No other university has acted unilaterally like Lakehead has. If Lakehead gets away with it, then it will be an action imitated by other universities across Canada."

Ontario Confederation of University Faculty Associations president Mark Langer said a precedent will be set but he’s confident it will be a positive one for faculty associations in the province.

"I’m convinced the management at Lakehead is going to fail in what they’re doing," he said. "I think the eventual outcome of this will be the management of this university will have squandered hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal action that will have no positive effect on giving this university what it’s after. I’m hoping this will be a negative example for other universities across the province."

Langer said there were other routes administration could have taken to save money. There are ways to re-open contracts or they could have taken the moral high road and held a fundraiser, appealed to the employees to donate.

"They chose to act in an arbitrary and I think ultimately unsuccessful manner," he said.
Farrell noted the four-day shutdown is especially felt in the faculty’s morale.

"We don’t work-to-rule," she said. "We’re not in that position but it makes you feel you should work-to-rule and that just depresses everybody and changes that atmosphere, so people are angry; they’re being disrespected."
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gord says:
bigdog:
Couldnt agree with you more - I just wish people would stick to the issue and refrain from personalattacks and baseless assumptions about other people.

Merry Christmas to everyone
2009-12-25 at 16:34

bigdog says:
Gord:

I thank God that Dougall media provides this forum. It is the closest thing we have to public debate in this town. We get divergent views and opinions on absolutely everything that happens in Thunder Bay. You are not expected to like or feel comfortable with all of the opinions, that's the point.

This blog is the debate. Where would you have it ? City Hall ? I wish I had a dollar for every unanamous vote that occurs in that council chamber. Some debate that is.

Some of the comments here are trash, some are brilliant, some are ignorant, some well informed, some are thoughtless, and some are thoughtful, many are funny. It's all part of who we are as members of this community. Join in.

Merry Christmas from bigdog to all.

2009-12-25 at 9:00 AM

Steven says:
No, I do not feel that everyone who isn't a skilled/professional worker should be paid minimum wage, nor did I imply it.

You seem to be trying to speak for me, outsidelookingin; quite a union type thing to do.

Heres what I actually think:

1) Minimum wage should be raised to about $15 per hour, where anyone can afford to at least put a roof over their head, pay their bills, and put food on the table. Raises should be based purely on merit, not just automatic union crap. That way people actually have incentive to do well at work, not just to sit on their butts, doing the bare minimum.

2) I do feel that one's pay should be based upon fair market value. I.e., whatever the market dictates you should be paid, is what you get.
If you have special skills, you may get paid more. If alot of people have those same skills, maybe you won't. But the market controls swages, no unions artificially inflating things for particular people.

How does that sounds outside? To me, it sounds fair, resonable, and does not descriminate based on being in a union or not, age, skills or anything else. People will simply pay you what they feel you are worth, and if they aren't paying you enough, you can choose to leave.

Its called labour freedom, and it is what help keep our economy growing, keep jobs being created, and frankly we could use alot more of it, especially within government jobs.
2009-12-24 at 19:47

gord says:
Its amazing to me that people make assumptions and generalizations based on a four line response to a news story. My suggestion; lets debate the issue and leave the trash-talking for the playground. Having said that, here is my two cents: the union people are interested in money, like everyone else, lets not pretend that this is about some higher purpose.
2009-12-24 at 15:41

The Beaver... says:
Brodie...that is a lot of wisdom coming from you
yeah...so it is
2009-12-23 at 20:06

outsidelookingin says:
Also sounds like Steve is a skilled worker/Professional and assumes that everyone who isn't should be paid minimum wage no matter what they do. EVERYONE deserves a wage they can live on... no one can live on minimum wage or with part-time work.
2009-12-23 at 15:47

Steven says:
Actually I have worked for 3 unions, all against my will when I got a particular position. They took my money, and did nothing for me even when asked.

I have been told to work slower because I make others look bad....I have been passed over for OT by someone who has been there longer, yet works at half my speed and does a bad job. I was threatened at union meetings and told not to show up again because I didn't like the status quo.

I make great benefits, and don't need to pay someone to get them for me.
I have followed the history Mr. observer, and understand that unions have helped get rights for all of us.....

Those unions are long gone though. Todays unions are more about protecting the lazy people who would be fired without the unions, and keeping the union stewards and bosses well paid.
2009-12-23 at 15:28

observer says:
Sounds like Steve has never worked for a union considering how much he hates them. Don't blame the union for all your problems. How businesses are managed, our recession, and the university's expansion all play a role also.

I don't always agree with unions, but if you follow the history, that is why management cannot abuse many of its workers.

I find many union haters are really just jealous of how much someone may make, benefits they get and the right to have a spokesperson between the worker and management.

And no, I do not work for a union, in fact my employer also closes for the week of Christmas and it is up to me to save my vacation time for this, or go without pay. It is just a matter of planning.
2009-12-23 at 15:00

Steven says:
Heres the trouble with the "get unionized and live a better life" idea:

Do you realize what would happen if we were all unionized?
Our economy would simply shut down. Why would anyone anywhere choose to do business with or in Canada?
Forget the straight dollar cost of our goods and services (they would skyrocket!) Imagine the constant strikes! Everyone would be striking from your babysitter to the Canada Games Complex, to gas station attendants etc. etc. INSANITY!

My suggestion for L.U.: Do what many universities have done in the states:=

1) Dramatic wage cuts offered to most unskilled jobs at next contract time (i.e. cafeteria, cleaning, light clerical)

2) Anyone who doesn't accept it is locked out.

3) Hire students for $15 an hour in all possible positions, with the managers and more skilled positions still in the hands of full time workers.

Anyone see a hole in this general idea? Students get great part-time wages, lower cost tuition, and get to work at and take pride in their university all at the same time.

I know: The hole is that the unions love their gravy train, supported by the backs of students high tuition, and they would fight tooth and nail. Luckily, students mostly come to university on foot, so could easily cross the picket lines to go to work.

I know I know.... I hate unions. But that doesn't mean that everything I say is incorrect. We need to start looking at alternatives in situations like this. Student debt is way too high, and the service they are getting is horrible.





2009-12-23 at 11:30

eddylives says:
Here is a thought.....
Let the staff sit back and enjoy the holidays.
Don't worry about the things that should have been done during this time.
Carry on in the new year and if it causes everthing to be behind schedule making problems then we can only hope that the powers that be will never do something like this again.
The staff can also as a group let things fall into chaos with the time lines , what are they going to do?? Fire them all for their decision to cut back? lol.
Stand up for your rights or they will walk all over you forever , its things like this that brought unions into power to protect the workers from the BS that is thrown at us by managment and owners.
And for all you union haters out there , get unionized and live a better life for yourself and family. There are many of us that already do.......
2009-12-23 at 10:20

gtoppazini says:
Business schools could use this "mess" as a case study on how a corporation should not deal with a crisis.

The administration's "brinkmanship" management style reminds me of something out of the 1970s.

Hopefully, the new administration will get better results without hanging the university's dirty laundry in the streets for all to see. This was a public relations disaster.








2009-12-23 at 9:00 AM

thebard says:
The University is badly over-staffed. That is why they MISSED THEIR PAYROLL this month. Ask a mill worker what happens to employment levels in tough markets. L.U. thinks that economic realities don't apply to them.

It's been a great party. But the $ 100 Million Price Tag just arrived in the mail. Cut employment levels today, so that Thunder Bay can have a healthy L.U. tomorrow.
















2009-12-23 at 08:57

eddylives says:
Here is a thought.....
Let the staff sit back and enjoy the holidays.
Don't worry about the things that should have been done during this time.
Carry on in the new year and if it causes everthing to be behind schedule making problems then we can only hope that the powers that be will never do something like this again.
The staff can also as a group let things fall into chaos with the time lines , what are they going to do?? Fire them all for their decision to cut back? lol.
Stand up for your rights or they will walk all over you forever , its things like this that brought unions into power to protect the workers from the BS that is thrown at us by managment and owners.
And for all you union haters out there , get unionized and live a better life for yourself and family. There are many of us that already do.......
2009-12-23 at 08:56

itshell says:
Oh..the poor babies..having to mark on their own time...what do you think teachers do day in and day out and on weekends...here is a quarter...call someone who cares...
2009-12-23 at 07:12

gord says:
Northerncanuck: you are delusional - it is exactly about the money. But, dont take my word for it, look at the sign the lady is carrying on the picture shown with the story. As far as pleading the case of how hard these "poor" professors and other educators work, I'm not even going to bother getting into that debate.
2009-12-23 at 06:00

chezhank says:
Give everyone an A!
Enjoy Christmas and the time off!
2009-12-22 at 19:38

northerncanuck says:
For those of you that don't get it, this is NOT about the money! Professors get paid a salary to do the jobs that they do...and only a small portion of that job is teaching. The rest is research and administrative service. How the administration of LU can justify closing for 4 days because there is "no work" is beyond me. Professors get paid a salary to do a job, so let them do it!

And to Captain--do you have any idea what goes into teaching a university course? The hours in the classroom as well as the "office hours" are only what students and the public see about the jobs that professors do. There's a LOT more that goes on behind the scenes--students don't have a clue (I certainly didn't when I was a student). Don't insult professors by assuming that their jobs are all about teaching. And if you were to look at teaching loads across Ontario universities, you would find that Lakehead has one of the highest teaching loads. How are other universities making do? My guess is by better fiscal management and not pursuing ridiculous ventures that are money pits...

In addition, only 40% of professors’ jobs are teaching!

And yes, the unfortunate ones to suffer are not only the faculty and staff, but also the students, particularly graduate students. I'm sure paying an extra term of tuition as a graduate student and not being finished when you anticipated has got to be pretty rotten.

So beware, any other union with salaried employees...particularly teachers and anyone else in the education sector...your jobs and collective agreements are under attack! You could be next. Stand together for your rights.
2009-12-22 at 19:34

thepawn says:
Get Serious Lakehead University. If you have a financial crisis make the tough choices.

You can't run a University like a "Public Works Program".

L.U. has $ 113 Million in Debt according to the media. $ 7 Million a year in interest costs.

You have staffers (Not Profs) numbering 1 for every 3 students !!! Maybe it's time for a several hundred pink slips. That is called a horizontal cut.

If a particular department or faculty is not attracting enough students to pay their costs, then eliminate the whole department. Profs, secretaries, support staff, the works. That is called a vertical cut.

This 4 day closure just got the staff and faculty riled up, and saved L.U. peanuts. If you have a problem, get serious about a solution.









2009-12-22 at 19:11

Brett says:
Hate to tell you ranger, but this is not a case of going back on a CBA.

The employer can stop work at any time, be that for a day (too much snow, shut down for 2 days) or because of operational requirements.

The same goes for day to day staffing....i.e. a busy day, bring in extra people, on a quiet day, send people home.

This 3-4 day stoppage is an operational decision based on what is best for the university.

Apparantly, in this case what is best for the university is to not be bankrupted by their unions.
2009-12-22 at 15:55

sc says:
The four day shutdown (not layoff) with every employee losing four days pay is much better than the alternative of some employees being permanently laid off.
2009-12-22 at 15:50

Brett says:
Ranger, this does not go against the collective agreement. An employer may shut down the workplace at any time.

It is as legal and engrained in the whole collective barganing process as striking is for the union.
2009-12-22 at 15:32

habsgirl says:
to yqtgirl....the kitchen staff was laid off long before now.....totally separate from the university...the poor people out protesting yesterday couldn't even get a coffee
2009-12-22 at 14:33

ranger says:
How much an employee makes, how long or short their work hours are, the prior notice of the shutdown, consideration of students, layoffs in other industrial sectors, etc... are all issues that are wholly separate from the issue at hand and written about in this article. The fact, and issue, is that university management has reneged on a collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated in good faith. That's it. Any problems you have with quality of education, the work day or year of a professor, the state of affairs in other sectors of the job market, or percieved 'complaining' should find another forum and avenue to address your issues. So rather than attack a group of highly educated and skilled people who are responsible for passing their knowledge and skills on to the next generation, how about supporting a group of workers who have had their collective agreement dishonoured by their management?
2009-12-22 at 14:17

greenstoner says:
The university announced this 4-day shut down months ago, so no surprizes, everybody knew it was coming. Let's face it, most full-time employees can truly afford this short layoff and what better time to take time off work to spend with family and friends? Most complainers really have no idea how good they have it.
2009-12-22 at 13:10

observer says:
Oh get a grip, do you think the unions in the paper mills could stop the layoffs. NO!!!!!!!!!
At least it is for only 4 days, I would look carefully for next year, unless things improve, this could be a yearly condition of employment.
2009-12-22 at NOON

TootsieFarkleFanny says:
To those of you complaining about the people who either don't do their jobs, or profs who make up to 100K: What about the people who work their butts off for 26k/year? Can you look them in the eye and tell them that they deserve to lose 4 days pay?
Unfortunately, everyone is lumped together in this, and therefore it should be fought. Once that is done, yes - deal with lazy employees and too high salaries.
I agree that, especially in this day and age, people need to appreciate their jobs and have a bit of work ethic. I do not believe, however, that every university employee affected by this should be painted with the "overpaid and lazy" brush.
2009-12-22 at NOON

windphart says:
No one likes a layoff....especially at Christmas. I'm sure the university could cut many other activities that waste millions of dollars, but now they're stuck with a layoff. Think of the other folks in town that are dealing with a PERMANENT layoff. That should make four days not that hard to swallow. Sure, there are quite a few profs in the 90k to $100k mark but there are also at least a thousand support staff there that don't make half that. They weren't at the protest. Why? becuase they're not tenured. Profs can say what they want, remember?
My only suggestion is that if they have to do this again next year (its been suggested) that they pick the summer when it's quiet. Four days pay at Christmas is a bit harder to take for some. But profs, you work from September to December 18th (even without the layoff I've rarely seen anyone in the office after the 21st). You work January 2nd to April 15th. You have assistants to help you mark. You get paid well. Yes, you may have worked hard to get there but that doesn't mean you can sit on your butt and do very little until retirement. You've got it good. Deal with it.
2009-12-22 at 11:54

username says:
The support staff at Lakehead does pretty much nothing. I know because every time I'm walking to and from classes, I see them sitting around complaining about one thing, another staff member or students. I'm sorry, I don't feel bad for them. I do feel bad for the staff that actually does work but until I see every staff member WORKING why are they complaining? The university would save a lot of money if they cut all the workers who do nothing and keep the ones who do their job.
Why is it so hard to mark exams by a certain date? Students have to write those papers by a certain date. It's about time profs started getting deadlines. It's not like they listened anyway I'm still waiting for a few marks. Besides they have TAs mark everything, so how is "not enough time" an excuse? Get over it.

Instead of closing for a few days, Lakehead should have just fired all the lazy workers around campus and kept the good ones. At least things would get done properly and on time. And maybe the school would actually be able to afford the repairs that need to be done around campus.

2009-12-22 at 11:10

Steven says:
For those of you, including those in the article, who say this violates the collective bargaining agreement, you are wrong.

Any employer, at any time, can shut down. Employees do not dictate or control when an employer does this, and it can be for any reason or duration, regardless of the CBA.

These unions were thrilled to get yet another wage increase and maintenance of benefits last contract time, but all they did was dig themselves into this economic hole. Now that things haven't gone perfect economy-wise, the university can't afford to pay them all their cushy wages they were forced to fork over, or be shut down completely by a strike.

I don't blame the university one bit: I blame yet another union crying about how badly they have it, with their automatic raises, great benefits, etc.

How about the students? Student fees and tuition rise ever higher because the university is forced to pay these union wages and give in to their demands every contract time, or face shutdown. Thank you to the university bosses for doing the only fiscally responsible thing, and shutting down for a few days.

And for those of you who say "how could the university solve the latest budget crises off the backs of staff and faculty"...perhaps you should look at what percentage of university wages are going to their labour, and realize that perhaps the labour IS THE PROBLEM! Lets look from the other side: Perhaps if labour didn't hold the university hostage every few years and demand more money again and again, then maybe labour wouldn't cost quite so much, the university wouldn't need to shut down, and students' wouldn't be paying such rediculous tuition and fees.
2009-12-22 at 10:48

maxumpat says:
I am in a union. I would advise the brothers and sisters in this union to be very carefull as perhaps to save this money they may look at laying off support staff. That would make 4 unpaid days off at Christmas seem not so bad. It is a sign off the times these days. Best of the season to all.
2009-12-22 at 10:39

Watching LU says:
I think yqtgirl said it best. Although I don't work at LU, I will be watching because this will set a precedent for universities across Canada. What is to stop university administrations from violating collective agreements every three months to solve the latest budget crisis on the backs of staff and faculty? And it's not true that no one thinks of students when it comes to labour dispute. Reduced university work hours will affect students as much as university workers, seriously jeopardizing the quality of education the institution will provide. Students are always at the forefront of these concerns. A final point regarding providing few office hours, having 5 months paid vacation, sabbaticals as vacation, and not updating courses that have been taught for years. For every hour spent in the classroom teaching, there is at least five hours of course prep behind it. Any professor who wants to stay relevant and maintain credibility in their field will be updating that syllabus each and every year. I for one will be spending my holidays marking exams. More to the point, teaching is only about 40% of the job (40% teaching / 40% research - i.e., summers and sabbaticals, not vacation / 20% administration and service). However, this absolutely does not take away from the fact that professors exist in an extremely privileged position when compared to the rest of the university workers, who often have little or no voice when it comes to these struggles. So we must all stand together. In solidarity. Enjoy your weekend*

*brought to you by unions.
2009-12-22 at 10:22

TootsieFarkleFanny says:
LUFA was protesting, but they aren't the only ones affected. From what I have heard from University employees, it is not just the profs. Every employee, save a bare minimum of maintenance and security staff, will be locked out of the university this week.
No matter how much anyone makes, if you were told that you were being forced to take four days off without pay, contrary to your collective agreement, you would be pretty pissed!
So why not show support here?
You don't have to care about professors - care about the support staff, admin staff, maintenance, etc. And care about the principle of it - that they can take away someone's work and pay arbitrarily.
Not a good precedent to set!
2009-12-22 at 10:10

Toodleoo Caribou says:
Have to admit I was astounded to hear that there are almost 400 lecturers/professors at LU. FOUR HUNDRED! What the hell are they all doing??? Perhaps their jobs-for-life, low-working hours, paid sabbaticals, 5-months paid vacation a year isn't enough. Bless 'em!
2009-12-22 at 08:30

reason says:
Yeah right? The next time a see a prof walking the halls between Christmas and New Years I'll be struck by lightning.




2009-12-22 at 08:10

The Beaver... says:
"It’s the most flagrant violation of collective agreements we’ve seen in this country," said Turk. "A number of universities are claiming they’re in financial trouble.... That collective agreement was extracted using Students as Pawns so is it then not a fight between bully's.In a time of hardship for so many the selfish people that are crying foul will not gain the sympathy of the people
2009-12-22 at 07:39

Curious says:
It always amazes me that the ones that have the cushiest jobs, do the least amount of work, tend to do the most complaining! When was the last time any of these so called professors EVER marked an exam! They use the same one over and over again then hire a student to mark them. How much work is that. What about the invisible profs? When you go to class you never know who if anyone will be there. Sounds like the poor dears are soooo overworked.
2009-12-22 at 07:20

fan says:
Who, in authority at LU, made this decision? The Board of Governors? The president? Names?And where is the public accountability they have ignored in favor of a decision that violates collective agreement rights? Curious to know if administration gets paid for these days off;
2009-12-22 at 07:01

blatbot says:
Today, I saw about a hundred people in protest (not the hundreds this article claims). That would represent under 5% of the University community, if you remove all those people from out of town it is probably less.

It is difficult for the media to get all the details of this story given that the University Administration are all taking the same 4 days off and unavailable for comment at this time. As for the senior administration their salaries are public record, for the most part, they are all in the 100k club just like several members of LUFA...

You can make it about unions, collective agreements, future precedence or "the man" but I would hope that at the end of the day, in the current economic climate most are just happy to have a job.


Clearly in a city that has been blue collar for so long there must be a lot of confusion when the white collars are screaming for justice.


Happy Holidays and all that Jazz!
2009-12-22 at MIDNIGHT

Brodie says:
Horrible to think that a university can treat its employees as if they don't matter and as if they can get along without being payed. Agree with Dr. Farrell when she implied that people would have to work without being paid! Lakehead has a binding agreement. The administration might suggest that they need the money but: Why does Orillia exist? Why are they locking people out when they say it is not about the people? Why are the staff and faculty being financially faulted for no fault that they have created? Are the administration members being paid right now? Are they going to open the books to show what they are being paid this week? It shames the standards of universities across Canada to see this mismanagement, this lack of respect for hard working Canadians and this approach to world economic issues! I support the workers and members of many universities across Canada who have engaged in coming together and walking with the Lakehead community to protest unacceptable tactics by the administration. Let administration be accountable. Let those people give their salaries to people who need it, during these days before Christmas and winter holidays. Where is the respect due every member of the Lakehead community, when the university administration shows this behaviour? Do they expect the rest of us, in other work environments across this county to be unaware of what is happening at Lakehead University. The administration of Lakehead has taken salaries and has shamed the university workers.
2009-12-21 at 22:58

username says:
It really irritates me that nobody ever thinks about the students...
2009-12-21 at 22:50

yqtgirl says:
To Canuckman55,
Contrary to popular belief, being a professor is not a cushy job. I could go on at length about this, but I will not. The issue is not so much about the money, it is the principle. The faculty, along with many other employees at the university, have a legally binding collective agreement with the administration that stipulates things like how much our salary should be and what our benefits are, among other things. We worked hard for this and bargained in good faith. By forcing faculty (and all employees for that matter) to take an unpaid leave and literally locking us out of the buildings on campus, that agreement, and the good faith it embodied, was broken - and if a collective agreement is broken here, it sets a precedent that collective agreements can be broken at other universities in this country. If you have worked a job and been laid off then I am surprised that you are not more sympathetic to the increasing demise of unions and collective bargaining in this country, particularly when it is on your own door step, so to speak. If you think that faculty are most upset about the money, then you are sorely mistaken. Solidarity wins Canuckman, so please join all the employees of the university - from the janitors to the librarians to the kitchen staff to the faculty - in their fight, rather than fight against them.
2009-12-21 at 19:30

captain says:
from a labour perspective, I get why the professors would be concerned. Just ignore this and maybe we close for ten days next year and maybe twenty the year after. Once this door is opened, it has big ramifications, but, their spokespeople need a little help getting the message across. Are they really serious that tenured professors, who have been teaching the same course for eons, need these four days for class prep. PLEAZZZZZZZZZZZZZE. Tell me the labour issues, but don't tell me that professors who teach 9 hours a week need more time to prepare. My spouse took a course this term. The professor was available to meet with students for one hour a week. that is the service that some professors provide. Fight the fight for labour reasons, but don't insult us by telling us your don't have time to prepare to teach. I have my degree from there. I have some idea just how much time is spent teaching and researching. I don't agree with what is happening, but I do believe something has to give to bring the costs in line. How much money could be saved if each professor had to teach 12 hours a week instead of nine. Just think of what that would do to the bottom line. But just in case people think I am completely against them, giving millions to southern ontario for a new campus there, that doesn't bring money here, seems like great empire building, but lousy support for T.Bay.
2009-12-21 at 6:00 PM

oldnorthernguy says:
Ya, I guess Lakehead is in serious financial trouble. I wonder if it was caused by L.U. sending $ 38 Million Dollars to Southern Ontario last month to build a campus ?

Sure doesn't do much for our economy does it ?

2009-12-21 at 17:42

canuckman55 says:
boo freakin hoo... these guys act like its the end of the world. They should be happy they have the cushy jobs they do. I have as much education as most of these people (save a few profs) and make far less than them. I`ve worked jobs with layoffs due to cost savings... so forgive me if I have little to no sympathy.
2009-12-21 at 17:20

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