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2010-02-08 at 17:08

Big chance for Big Thunder

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Start small, is what Friends of Big Thunder say when it comes to their desire to see the facility re-opened.

Paul DeGiacomo responded to a three-week deadline the province gave potential investors to submit a letter of intent expressing interest in redeveloping Big Thunder, a former world-class ski jumping and Nordic facility that has been shuttered since 1996.

"This is the first opportunity, and I’m going to call it a huge opportunity, that stakeholders now have to do something and identify to the provincial government that there is a need and a want for the site to be re-opened again," said DeGiacomo, who was part of a delegation that went before city council two years ago to ask for support to re-open Big Thunder.

DeGiacomo said he’s been asking potential supporters to let the province know just that before the March 4 cutoff, indicating that the Friends of Big Thunder’s vision for the park involves more than just winter sports.

"We see it open not as a six- or seven-month facility, but as a 12-month facility or a high-performance training centre. You’ve got to think out of the box and think a whole bunch different than what it was when we shut the place down," he said, standing on a snow-covered road at the base of the hill where a locked fence guards the lonely perimeter – though tracks are visible up and down the old jump areas.

He suggested riding trails, mountain biking and hiking as potential off-season uses, and said that the Nordic ski stadium could be up and running in as little as a week, if the wherewithal was there to make it happen.

Sitting as it is, however, is doing no one any good, other than costing taxpayers six-figures a year. DeGiacomo added it will probably take some sort of public/private partnership to get going.

"The intent is that we’re going to start small, with the understanding that whatever the site can sustain financially and build on that. I believe that the site itself has so many new opportunities that can be used that have not even been tapped yet," he said.

He’s not sure why the province, which bought Big Thunder in 1984, has set such a tight deadline. It’s a question he would like answered.

MPP Bill Mauro (Lib., Thunder Bay-Atikokan), who has pushed for the site’s re-opening for the past six years, said the province knows the historical uses of the property are probably not sustainable and there are significant liabilities with it as it stands, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be overcome.

"We just keep looking for a way to make this particular piece of property, which is quite incredible, available to the public. Quite frankly right now it’s not, and we’ve known that for 15 years," Mauro said, adding the calls to do something are starting to get louder and louder.
"We continue to search and explore and try to make this part of Thunder Bay and Northwestern Ontario once again."

On Sunday the Canadian Press reported that Ski Jumping Canada intends to ask the province to provide a ski jumping facility in Ontario, the plan being to refurbish Big Thunder.

The association said there aren’t enough facilities to properly train athletes in the sport, leading to poor performance on the world stage. The request comes days before the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Games, which open Friday.

Canadian ski jumpers are not expected to fare well.
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paul smith says:
In my opinion Big Thunder is way more than just a nordic and jumping facility, what can happen out there is limiitless. If this site is to be reopened, make sure that there are some real good market assumptions are made when making up a business case.
I do have some very fond memories from out there. In fact I remember going out there to watch a very large snow machine snow cross event which went over real well!
T. Bay has always been a great volenteer town. I'm sure that if the call for volenteers were made to assist in opening up the facility, that there would be allot of people signing up. What's wrong with this?
I remember the rush I felt working @ events leading up to the Nordics, I'd never trade those memories I have from these events plus the Nordic Games! Let's get behind the Friends of Big Thunder and their efforts with support vs doing the easy thing and be a heretic!
Remember during the hay days all of the hotels were full, the eateries were full, the malls were allot busier than they are now, with the down turn in the economy. Maybe the demographic of T Bay are changing from a paper town to a destination for people to visit and use!
2010-02-13 at 6:00 PM

Rick says:
To: saynotonegativity

Where have they been for 2 years.?
What have the friends been doing.?

Let them do it privately, follow their dream.!

You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
2010-02-13 at 9:00 AM

saynotonegativity says:
"the province gave potential investors to submit a letter of intent expressing interest in redeveloping Big Thunder,"
"Sitting as it is, however, is doing no one any good, other than costing taxpayers six-figures a year. DeGiacomo added it will probably take some sort of public/private partnership to get going."

Do the words "potential investors" mean something different in this day and age?

Does private partnership not mean the same it did last year? Let's wait and see what comes of this "expression of interest" before condemning something that could potential be an economic plus for the city!
2010-02-11 at 21:21

rwgg44 says:
not that I would like to talk about white elephantsbut who wanted this facility here in the first place!!!! maybe get them to pay for it!!!! the one who wins the jumping contest is the one who jumps closest to the fence!!!( prevailing norwesters! I cant wait to see what happens with the marina! I know I am certainly going to book some time off from the patch to stand in line for some cotton candy in january!!!!!!!!
2010-02-10 at 23:26

abra says:
YES lets get back to the story - the government should not be providing tax money for elitist sports when people live in poverty. If it was feasible then private enterprise would pay for it.
2010-02-09 at 6:00 PM

westfort says:
Once again abra didn't do his/her research. Working poor can't afford to ski so that means everyone who skis is wealthy? Please do some research on Olympic athletes. Plenty of these athletes learned their skills on outdoor rinks or from school ski outings. Please get off your high horse and see the opportunity this presents. Maybe jobs for those people that you seem to be so worried about. Why does everyone complain about everything in this city?

There is no reason the gov't can't help out a bit...maybe just to start. We need something in Thunder Bay.

While your concern for the poor is admirable I wonder what you are doing here complaining about a ski hill when you should be out helping these people? Perhaps you are, but you sure spend a lot of time prejudging athletes. How do you know they aren't paying for their own equipment? When I was a kid I had a paper route and saved up my money to pay for my ski membership and equipment. You find money for what you want. Times are tough, and that I understand, but having Big Thunder open again wold definitely benefit the public in more ways than one, so why not have the government help? They don't mind giving themselves pay raises, so why not actually help people with job opportunities? The ski jumpers not only will be using the hill but they will be staying in the city, eating in the city, and shopping in the city.

I am sorry that it appears that you have had it tough or know someone who has. However, life is not fair and you can't blame those who have more than others. This is not a communist country.

One more time....athletes are not rich. Maybe the pro hockey players and a few select others, but the majority are doing it for the love of their sport.

I will apologize for the ''planet'' comment if you will apologize for your last ridiculous comment. You do need to do your research as far as athletes go, and not make sweeping statements. Perhaps you have a group who helps the working poor that you can inform the rest of us on so we can join to help them.
2010-02-09 at 16:54

Dar says:
@Abra
Seems like youre doing just fine .
You got your PC and your high speed internet access which many consider a luxury. And yet youre here complaining about not being able to afford bread or other things ?

Back to the story...
The facility would be a great asset to the city as there are not too many across Canada.
It would probably give more choices for everybody as to what to do during a long winter and summer as well.
2010-02-09 at 15:37

canuckman55 says:
tbayballa - Lets just make sure any hangliding platform is far enough away from the wind turbines.
2010-02-09 at 13:53

bonanza says:
how can you possibly disrespect a man with a moustache of that calibre?
2010-02-09 at 13:00

tbayballa says:
put 25 more windmills up there, re-open the hangliding platform for the adventure seekers, and somehow run the ski trails from Kamview all the way over to Sundance its only a couple km's(although past The Farm)...and run it year round and this facility could easily be self supportive...
2010-02-09 at 9:00 AM

pieislandrefugee says:
As long as not one dollar of taxpayer money goes there, or to supposed "athletes" Im all for it.

Let private enterprise stretch its wings and fly. Thats whats good for our community and country.
2010-02-09 at 9:00 AM

Rick says:
Well yet another group using the pre-fix of "Friends of".

If Mr. DeGiacomo and his friends think this is a money maker great, approach the province and offer to take it off their hands for a dollar, Mr. Mauro and Mr. Gravelle could make this happen for you.

Then you and your group can re-mortgage your homes, cash in your R.R.S.P.'s and make it go.

Oh yes, don't forget to ask Mr. Mauro and Mr. Gravelle if they want to be partners in your venture as well.
2010-02-09 at 08:05

abra says:
Sorry Westfort but children of the working poor dont go skiing, become ski jumpers or end up at the Olympics. If the private sector cannot support these elite sport facilities, the government should not. Everyone would like to see this type of facility reopened but it should not be the government who does it. (You would probably also be surprised to know that the working poor do not buy garbage bags, visit the auditorium, eat at the Keg, have fresh fruit, buy grain breads, have glasses, get braces, buy swiffers, have dental care...)Maybe you should do your research? And perhaps consider that comments such as "what planet are you from" are derogatory. "Struggling" to buy ski jumping gear? I laughed all day on that one.
2010-02-09 at 07:58

saynotonegativity says:
The potential reopening of this world class facility would be a huge boon for the city. Tourism Canada supports this, as well as the City of Thunder Bay, Fort William First Nation, Neebing Township, and Ski Jumping Canada. This will bring added tourism dollars to the area, as well as further economic benefits. The region is looking at new tourism endeavours positioning Thunder Bay as a the best outdoor city in Canada, and a gateway to outdoor adventures that sit on our doorstep. Bring it on! Perhaps incorporating a Nordic Village along with other winter and summer activities would make Big Thunder Bay a year round world class destination choice, to go alongside Prince Arthur's Landing, The Sleeping Giant, Ouimet Canyon, and a host of other regional attractions.
2010-02-08 at 23:43

iceman says:
I believe they mean the Nordic stadium for cross country, it is still heated and lighted with our tax money. It is still in new shape. All they have to do is groom the trails and we have cross country skiing. The blue and red trails have been maintained for years by the area residences. Closely guarded secret! The ski jump is in goodshape, lights are all busted. The chair lift was left to rot, needs a new one.
2010-02-08 at 21:17

westfort says:
abra....welfare for the rich? What planet are you on? Please do your research before you comment. Ski jumping is seriously underfunded in Canada. Read the story in today's (Feb 8) Chronicle Journal. Not only are ski jumpers not wealthy, very few of the Olympic athletes are. They lead normal lives struggling to pay for coaches and training time. The only reason they have it a tiny bit better this go-round is because the Olympics are in Canada. You comments while well meaning, are without fact.

Big Thunder opening will bring money to the city just like it used to. All those jumpers have to sleep somewhere...and eat, and shop, etc. Not to mention the jobs for people working at Big Thunder/Sundance
2010-02-08 at 19:40

tbay4life says:
"the Nordic ski stadium could be up and running in as little as a week"...Good God I don't know what kind of miracles this guy can perform but I've been on the ski jump platform within the last year. The entire structure right up to its highest point is extremely rotten and hazardous.

I'm all for opening this facility back up but don't see how it could turn around this quickly when its an unmaintained property/structure.

Maybe if it did open the powers that be would reconsider their opinions on female ski jumpers if another elite facility existed?
2010-02-08 at 6:00 PM

Gone for good says:
This group wants to purchase this old facility for the market value. Why not. If they have the money to buy it. By all means. But please, no free lunch here. Pay the tax payers what its worth.
2010-02-08 at 6:00 PM

passlake says:
any idea how to contact friends of big thunder?

I remember many athletes commenting on how amazing the trails, the jumps, and the facility were back in 1995.

It doesn't make sense to spend money to send athletes to europe on a fairly regular basis to train when we have a great idle facility sitting in our back yard.

Imagine reliving the glory days of multiple world cup events each winter, (and maybe summer if the facility could expand into mountain biking, etc.), and the chance to host major sporting events once again.

If a good plan can be set up so that the facility can break even on a regular basis, then I fully support it reopening! Now is the time!
2010-02-08 at 6:00 PM

westfort says:
I would LOVE to see Big Thunder open again. I miss watching the ski jumping like I did when I was a kid. I would also like it if they could get back to downhill skiing like they used to back in the day. Loch and Baldy have such limited hours and it gets boring skiing the same runs over and over again. I so miss the days when we had 5 choices to downhill ski. And they wonder why so many decide to spend our money in the US at Lutsen?

Ooops....got a little nostalgic there! Back to Big Thunder...they can have the eastern ski jumpers train here and the west can go to Calgary. Or have the women train here and schedule some of their events here. That would be a big draw with the women jumpers finally gaining notoriety. Anything would be great! It's such a waste of a wonderful facility.
2010-02-08 at 6:00 PM

panzerIV says:
If this site become operational again it could provide the city with a boost. It will also reduce the burden on the taxpayer is the 6 figure number is correct that this gentleman provide in the article. Letting the site get to such a state of disrepair is bad as it is but its good that they are willing to do something to get it back to its former glory even if it is only an idea.
2010-02-08 at 17:38

abra says:
Six figures a year? Why does this piece of property cost taxpayers over a $100,000.00 a year just sitting there? And surely the Ontario Government has better thing to do with their money than to provide a ski jumping facility? Why would they? Everyone whines and complains about efforts to increase aid to impoverished peaople in the province but we would actually consider supporting ski jumpers? Talk about welfare for the rich! Instead of worrying who will win at Olympic peeing contests, lets set an example of fiscal responsibility and put people first. Let the wealthy pay for their own 'sports'.
2010-02-08 at 17:24

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