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2010-02-09 at 02:21

Council approves extra $2.2M

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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The city will spend $2.2 million more than originally budgeted to complete the first phase of development at Prince Arthur’s Landing.

Council on Monday night was told the 15 per cent increase over the original $14.6 million it was going to contribute became necessary as design plans were finalized, and it was noted that the original estimate was based on 2007 costs, not 2010 costs.
Overall, the cost is rising from $45.3 million to $49.3 million, with $1.8 million of that coming from outside sources. The city's portion will come from money already allocated for phase two of the project, the new marina, which already has a healthy head start on funding.

Council approved the decision by a 9-2 vote, with Neebing Coun. Linda Rydholm and at-large Coun. Larry Hebert casting negative votes. Rydholm has long opposed the project, while Hebert is in favour of waterfront development, but against the location of a proposed hotel and condominium development.

Mayor Lynn Peterson and Coun. Trevor Giertuga were not in attendance.

Waterfront project manager Katherine Dugmore presented an update on the controversial project during Monday night’s Committee of the Whole meeting, and said she never claimed the original figures were locked in place.

"I did advise council that the budget was an order of magnitude cost and there would be project changes, and actually Coun. (Joe) Virdiramo asked me if I could guarantee that the costs would stay the same. I think my answer was it would be foolish to do at that time, just because of the nature of where the project was at," Dugmore said.

She went on to say the updated budget includes actual tendered costs, with much more detail included than was the case when the project first got off the ground three years ago.

"We’re confident the budget that we submit today will be sufficient to complete the work ... and that it will implement the original vision of the master plan," Dugmore said.

Had council not approved the additional money, Dugmore said she had planned to suggest that council revert to the original budget, realizing they would lose some of the planned design features, or consider an even more drastic set of cuts to the plans.

Coun. Frank Pullia questioned why the budget information took so long to reach council chambers, stressing that the city’s elected municipal officials control the purse strings, not administration.

"(We have to ask) now, is this kind of Cadillac approach that we want, or maybe a Buick would do it," Pullia said.

"Certainly things have changed, and actually up until December 2009 we hadn’t even heard from FedNor yet. Between June of 2009 and November of 2009, we basically received $36.5 million in funding. We’re not coming to council suggesting that we do a project that is another $5 million more than we were expecting," Dugmore said.

"We’re not making a Cadillac just because we received additional funding. We honestly are, and have been proceeding with what we believe was originally the intent of the master plan."

City manager Tim Commisso concurred, saying it’s not uncommon to see budgets rise slightly for projects that stretch out over long periods of time.

"The further you get a long in this project in terms of design, the better idea you have with respect to your costs," Commisso said.

Coun. Rebecca Johnson asked for more regular budget updates on the Prince Arthur’s Landing project, particularly in light of the fact $30 million of work must be completed between now and March 31, 2011 to meet federal and provincial stimulus funding deadlines.

Johnson said she’s questioned frequently about the project and wants to be as up-to-date as possible.

"I need to make sure that the information I have is current, or I’m going to be calling Ms. Dugmore and saying what’s the status of the financial update of the Prince Arthur’s Landing," she said. "I’m not saying it has to be quarterly, but it can’t be yearly."

Commisso suggested tying the requested reports to reports already required by council as tenders are sent out and returned.

Rydholm took the opportunity to again question the need for a seven-storey hotel and two similar sized condominium units, asking Dugmore to confirm that with the exception of funding tied to the Northern Ontario Heritage Fund Corporation, none of the money accessed through the two senior levels of government required any private-sector funding whatsoever.
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tsb says:
TBaycat......who was attacking? I was just pointing out facts. tbaycat has no problem making fun of and running down "supporters of the prince arthur's landing project", so what’s the problem in pointing out to them they're delusional and don't know it all. And I believe using the term “conspiracy theorist” to describe people who blindly oppose everything people tell them without making sure it makes sense and is based on lies and assumptions, a pretty accurate term. Have you ever seen a conspiracy theorist in action? LOL ... most of my comments are pretty tame compared to some of them on these threads. pieislandrefugree’s and chezhank’s included.
2010-02-11 at 21:10

panzerIV says:
Tbaycat is must take a big man to insult someone over a keyboard so congratulations. Making fun and running down old people, so now your going to accuse me of this? Because you don't agree with my opinion, big man big man. Honestly, your wasting my time but ill give you a second; basically because i'm bored. I work my butt of to make the money i spend so dont even talk to me about spending my parents money. Yea politician's lie but where are these current politicians gonna go? Most are doing this to keep them going until they retire so they have no need to further there agenda. So your whole conspiracy theory sits int he back closet with those of 911 and Y2K. If you want to come and talk to me while you feel in such a 'old' person hater then please come tell me but don't ever go and accuse me of thing you don't have a clue about. Growing a pair might be beneficial as well, just sayin
2010-02-11 at 20:57

tbaycat says:
Hope......who was attacking? I was just pointing out facts. panzerIV has no problem making fun of and running down “old” people, so what’s the problem in pointing out to him he’s young and does not know it all. And I believe using the term “sheep” to describe people who blindly believe everything people tell them without questioning the facts, a pretty accurate term. Have you ever seen a sheep in action? LOL ... most of my comments are pretty tame compared to some of them on these threads. PanzerIV’s and Tannharr’s included.
2010-02-11 at 17:25

hope says:
tbaycat - I can appreciate that you have a point of view; but it is repugnant that you feel the need to personally attack others in order to express it. Shame on you.
2010-02-11 at 14:41

tbaycat says:
panzerIV....one day when you grow up you will finally realize that grownups actually lie to further their own agendas. Sitting in your mommy and daddy’s house, eating their food and spending their money, you seem to think you know everything about being a grownup. Well you’re wrong. Guess what.......politicians lie. They make things up. They are very good at it. They twist the facts in such a way that they make even good, rational thinking people confused about what is going on. Please stop believing that they are thinking of you and your community first. Some do, but for the vast majority of them, they are only looking to forward their own careers and their own agendas. That is why a cautious person always takes what they say with a grain of salt. And me, I don’t like a lot of salt with my French fries.......
2010-02-11 at 02:58

tbaycat says:
Tannharr.....If FOMP had anything to do with this cost over run, don’t you think Dugmore and her cronies would have jumped with glee to point the fingers of blame at them? I didn’t see her say anything like that in this article. Why don’t you sheep just admit that FOMP might have been right about city administration fudging the numbers on their little empire building project? And you have the nerve to call THEM liars when all you can do is make up lies yourself....
2010-02-11 at 02:18

myopic not foolish says:
This waterfront development project is built on a foundation of AMBIGUITY and WASTE, so all the cost overruns should not be surprising.
What a bunch of idiots!
2010-02-10 at 9:00 AM

Ur Kiddingme says:
If they take the surplus from phase 17 and use it to cover the deficit of phase 9 The infrastructure money from the former Harris government may help the new building which is needed to house the volumes of Bafflegab being generated by our back patting city council. Hard hitting questions concerning not a lot of info other than echoes back to the community. "See we are on top of this project. We just don't understand where the money went " So each councillor took their turn saying "Blah Blah Blah!" and "Blah Blah blah?" Problem solved
2010-02-09 at 19:19

hurricanejeck says:
rbosch,
thanks for clearing that up.

I guess the reporting from the media didn't reflect the actual out come of the meeting.

on that note, do you foresee any more changes that may erode that $5M SURPLUS? before the second stage?

also, borrowed $$ has to be paid back somewhere, right? I look foward to your post.
2010-02-09 at 6:00 PM

tannharr says:
I believe any members of FOMP that had their hands in the delay of this magnificent project, should have no right making any comments on this issue. For every year in delay, almost a million dollars was added to the budget.
2010-02-09 at 17:35

Toodleoo Caribou says:
OK...

Who would like a $49.3m Waterfront Project?

And who would like a $1,650 REDUCTION in their property tax this year?

I know which gets my vote!
2010-02-09 at 17:27

RBosch says:
To Hurricanejeck....the deliberations lasted almost 3 hours and some very serious inquiries were made by the councilors and answered. Due to some changes made, there is actually a surplus of funds ($5M) left from Phase 1 and they are working with the Federal and Provincial departments involved to get it included in the Phase 2 work. They have received verbal assurances so far, but nothing is concrete, as of now. This was all discussed at last night's Concil Meeting.

The $$ will never be put back into the old age homes acct. because the city is no longer going to build the 2 homes the money was originally scheduled for. The Province took over the responsibility to build a new facility and it is in the planning stages as we speak. As the money had already been borrowed (debentured) it was decided to use portions for various major projects within the city, with the Waterfront Development being one of those projects. I hope this helps in your understanding.
2010-02-09 at 15:33

hurricanejeck says:
well thats the first time in a while that I've seen council agree on anything so quickly!! things usually drag out a bit more.
now the obvious, phase 2 is already behind in finance by 2.2 mil...in 2010 dollar terms!
when will the $$ be put back into the old age homes acct?
2010-02-09 at 11:06

bigdog says:
Good Report Leith.
2010-02-09 at 9:00 AM

Rick says:
mmmmmmmm so where was the Mayor and Mr. Giertuga.?

It is early in the game and this request is only the pre-curser of things to come.

I smell a financial disaster heading our way.
2010-02-09 at 08:11

panzerIV says:
Just so this is out there. The money that she requested is NOT new money. It was transsfered out of a piggy bank set up for phase 2. Council originally allocated 22.5 million to do both phases and now 2.2 million will be taken from this bank and put into phase 1. Ms. Dugmore stated in the news last night that she thinks that with this new allocation of money that it will have a surplus and the rest of the money will go to phase 2. So overall this project is still on budget and on time. Just thought i would get that out there before the 'incompetence' posts start a buzzin'
2010-02-09 at 08:09

Tbayg says:
Cue the 70 comments and restraining orders against the fomp
2010-02-09 at 04:12

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