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2012-02-16 at 16:06

LETTER: Attitude toward truck traffic disappointing

Phyllis Garton,
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To the editor:

I am disappointed, but not surprised, by the small-mindedness of the both the City of Thunder Bay’s council and the population of the city itself.

What right do they think they have to restrict someone’s means of earning a living?

I am referring to the idea of restricting trucks from using Dawson Road/Highway 102. Do they not realize that Dawson Road is one of the oldest established roads here?

So first a little history:
The history of the Dawson Road began in 1857 when Henry Hind and Simon Dawson were commissioned to survey the territorial claims of the Hudson's Bay Company, as well as to survey a route between Lake Superior and the Red River.

A second set of surveys were carried out by Capt. John Palliser that same year.

The latter recommended avoiding the Kaministiquia River, but ultimately Hind and Dawson's route was chosen.

By 1868, the route was blazed between Shebandowan and what would soon be named Prince Arthur's Landing (later changed to Port Arthur). In 1870, the Wolseley Expedition set out from Toronto to end the Red River Rebellion.

When Colonel Garnet Wolseley arrived at the present site of Winnipeg, the rebels had fled. However, the expedition resulted in the construction of a road along Dawson's route.  It was further improved in 1871.

In 1935, the Department of Northern Development (DND) began construction on a northern bypass of Port Arthur, mostly following the Dawson Road.

This road was designated Highway 17A on April 1, 1937, when the DND merged into the Department of Highways.

In 1959, Highway 120 was renumbered as Highway 11, and a 180-kilometre concurrency with Highway 17 between Shabaqua and Nipigon was created to join the discontinuous segments.

As the northern bypass of Port Arthur now formed an alternate route to both Highway 11 and 17, it was co-designated as Highway 11A and 17A.
Between January 1971 and 1972, Highway 11A and Highway 17A were re-designated as Highway 102. Work began shortly thereafter to realign several sections of the highway with dangerous curves and steep grades approaching the Kaministiquia River; the highway opened in 1975, featuring a new bridge over the river.
This road was designated as a bypass so that trucks would not have to travel through the then city of Port Arthur.

It was a great idea then and is still a great idea now.

I feel that people who oppose the truck traffic have no right to do so.  If it weren’t for those trucks, most if not all goods delivered to and from Thunder Bay would not arrive to their intended destinations.

How small minded are these people when they use safety as an excuse, citing speeding and tailgating as reasons for removing these trucks from the highway.

As a rural resident, I have been tailgated by more passenger vehicles than ever by trucks.

As well, I have been passed by more passenger vehicles than trucks.  These truckers are professional and sure there might be a few bad apples in the bunch, but think about it.

They have to be good or they wouldn’t be in business long.  How many class ‘g’ drivers can make the claim to safe driving over millions of miles?

I have witnessed firsthand stupid people pulling out of their driveways right into oncoming truck traffic, expecting these trucks to slow down for them, when they can’t wait another 10 seconds for this truck to go by before pulling out.

How many of these passenger vehicles tailgate big trucks, just waiting for the chance to pass them because they are in such a hurry to get home or to work or to the hockey rink or some other place, or just because they like speeding?

It’s OK to stop these trucks from travelling the road designed and built for them but is it OK to redirect this traffic to other highly populated areas increasing the potential danger of accidents in areas like the Expressway which has stop light  intersections  and Kakabeka Falls, where the speed limit is reduced to 60 km/h?

If city council is going to address this matter in the near future, wouldn’t it be fair to give the truckers a say in whether or not their road or highway should be denied them?

After all, they pay considerably more road tax than any other travellers on the roads.

Phyllis Garton,
 

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crazyforweed says:
Dawson road has always been a traffic route for truck drivers and it ALWAYS will be .. ! city council will never have the mto restrict tractor trailers off this road !
2/16/2012 4:40:02 PM
TB4life says:
They can still make a living, Thunder bay built a new highway for the trucks to use so they should use it.
2/16/2012 6:05:22 PM
cac says:
Thunder Bay had nothing to do with the new highway being built. It is a Provincial highway under jurisdiction of the Provincial government.
2/21/2012 1:30:05 PM
moonwolf says:
A few bad apples??? I live on a street where trucks are the majority of traffic and all I hear are JAKE BRAKES within city limits!!!!! They rattle my windows and wake me up ALL THE TIME!!! The trucks should NOT be allowed on Arthur Street and should use the highway that was built for them!!!!!!!!!
2/16/2012 6:26:01 PM
TBDR says:
I'm disappointed by the narrowmindedness of this letter...
"What right do they think they have to restrict someone’s means of earning a living?" Every right, if it is a city road and they allow local access (versus through access).

"This road was designated Highway 17A on April 1, 1937, when the DND merged into the Department of Highways." Yes, then they built the new 11/17 extension in the 2000's to modernize our highway infrastructure and pull large trucks off of dawson road.

You mention the stop lights on the expressway... are you suggesting trucks can't stop for them? That is simply untrue, but for the record, the province is planning over the next 20 years to remove those and install a cloverleaf system. So there goes that argument...

In one sentence you were talking about the "forward" thinking of diverting traffic to a new road... and in the next, you are calling people small minded for diverting traffic to a new road. Its a total contradiction of common sense.
2/17/2012 12:02:26 PM
scott says:
If you bought a house on a highway live with your decision. WHINER
2/19/2012 1:48:23 PM
TBDR says:
I don't live anywhere near the road you speak of. I simply pointed out facts that contrast with the inconsistencies in her letter. I could care less whether they restrict traffic or not. I just hate when people make up arguments to support their cause.
2/20/2012 9:53:53 PM
tiredofbull$ says:
Excellent letter with great history. Why should/would they stop the trucks from 102? They pay there fair share of taxes and were there before most of these residents that are complaining. How would this be fair to say Kakabeka residents? They also have a school that is closer to the highway then Five Mile school is. What if they then said we don't want trucks travelling down there highway. Too many complainers in this city, if you do not like the trucks on 102 then move to a different location where there is no trucks.
2/18/2012 1:03:31 AM
duckykoo says:
the alderman(giertuga) heading this effort to restrict traffic wasn't complaining when he ran the truckstop restaurant on the corner of hwy 102 and government road some years ago
2/18/2012 3:05:41 PM
canrebel53 says:
moonwolf & TBDR, first off moonwolf your whining about the jake brake noise, I live on James St. and all we hear day and night are jerks running up and down blaring their boom box's and hearing their converted exhausts and the city nor the cops care one bit so live with it.

TBHR the new 11/17 extension, if this is what you and the people of this city call an extension your badly mistaken, this has got to be one of the biggest jokes of this city. It was a waste of 30 million dollars. People are crying about the traffic on Dawson being heavy, lets just throw all the truck traffic on an old 2 lane rd that has just as much car traffic as Dawson and lets just see the bottle neck this causes. But what would people over there care it's won't be bothering them anymore. This city needs a by pass around it, that's the only way to solve it. Because none of us will be alive to see the new clover leafs your talking about.
2/18/2012 9:35:45 PM
canuckman55 says:
Uh... they'll be finished the first cloverleaf this summer...
2/21/2012 12:46:53 PM
silent rebel says:
Yeah right, they will prolly start building, not finish in time, do a mediocre job, tear it down and start from scratch, run out of time again, and on and on and on.....like the lights at the intersections on the highway that they did such an amazing job installing for four years and still looks it needs work.....guess that 70km speed limit is going to be back again aaaaalllllll spring, summer and fall.
2/22/2012 6:54:22 AM
countryboy123 says:
I would like to know who is going to be enforcing this new length restriction by-law? It won't be the MTO Inspectors as they enforce provincial regulations not municipal. If you think the City Police will, think again. We have had the "Jake Brake" by-law for decades and have you ever heard of it being enforced? This is just City council wasting more time and money at a time when they say they are trying to do the opposite!
2/19/2012 3:46:49 PM
Kidknapp says:
Drop the speed limit to 60 km/h all the way from dog lake road if this stretch of highway is so "dangerous". Then, enforce to 60km/h speed limit (not 61+km/h) for ALL traffic! I'm sure it would be much safer then! And, while we're at it, eliminate passing so no one can rush and try to pass! This should help all you whiners!
2/20/2012 11:02:46 AM
silent rebel says:
I don't give a hoot why that road was built or for who, the amazing city planners of thunder bay allowed neighbourhoods and a community to be built around it without taking into consideration this problem. Anyone who lives in this area can attest to how dangerous it is in this area with the trucks, and how often they run reds and ambers and park there trucks in the middle of the road in front of tim hortons on east ave and think that they can put their hazards on and go into the restaurant while parked in a no parking zone and it's no big deal. Embrace change, save lives, use the new extension.
2/21/2012 10:47:50 AM
scott says:
So in your selfish , thoughtless thinking its safer for these trucks to run reds and ambers at Red River , John, and Oliver expressway intersectioms at 90 or 100 kph speeds . RIGHT ON.
2/21/2012 1:00:10 PM
cac says:
Great article! Obviously Phyllis has done her homework before providing this editorial. Perhaps this is what city council should have done! She has made some very valid points which should be considered in the decision to limit trucks on the city controlled portion of Dawson Road.
2/21/2012 1:22:49 PM
canrebel53 says:
canuckman55, sure they;re building a clover leaf at Hodder, you pretty well would have to because it will be part of the divided Hwy and you can't have cars and trucks stopped in the center of the road like that. And just tell us how long it took to get then to 4 lane the road to Nipigon, and with the way the economy going are they going to finish it, don't hold you breath till they finish that part, then wait another 50 years for the other clover leafs.
2/21/2012 7:16:15 PM
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